I understand it until I hear it explained.

Draw the triangle method was my go to.

"The Bible is not an acient thing. It is a modern concept that is dealing with antiquity, thinking about antiquity, using texts that originated in antiquity, but Bible as people are using it now, that's a modern thing that they have made."

"Scripture" - that repeated term should be qualified as "white evangelical definition of scripture." There are christians who use the term "scripture," without the implications of inerrancy, nor documentary history, nor as a law book, nor even as a moral code. It is scripture because it has a foundational place in christianity and has stuck around for years. Scripture is a deep source for learning about morality over the millennia - both the good and the bad. But, especially how our understanding changes over time. Even, how it will continue to change in the future. Biblical scholarship is a huge part of that process, so keep up the good work!

The core story of Christianity, the sacrifice of Jesus on the crucifix makes no sense. It's like a parent addressing his child, "Because you disobeyed me, I'm going to stand in the corner for a half-hour to teach you a lesson. Yeah, that would work.

I did an extensive teaching of the book of Job and came to this conclusion: God didn’t owe Job an explanation for suffering, but He sent Jesus to help him through it. The lesson of Job is that God is sovereign and the fact that we get to commune with Him, though Jesus, is enough. For this who want quick and definite answers, this isn’t enough, but that’s it.

Very strange and dishonest framing by Keaton. As if only white evangelicals have an interest in updating the Bibles message for modern sensibilities. Nonwhite Christians and jews do the same thing but its not PC to criticize minorities so she frames everything as being only the actions of those evil white Christians.

The core story of Christianity, the sacrifice of Jesus on the crucifix makes no sense. It's like a parent addressing his child, "Because you disobeyed me, I'm going to stand in the corner for a half-hour to teach you a lesson. Yeah, that would work..

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I find trying to shove ancient middle eastern Bronze Age culture into modern day culture is so contrary to the progress of humanity towards a truly cohesive and accepting of human differences type of society that the modern world needs. We need to put all those ancient writings from all the religions into the category of ancient mythologies that are historical and can teach us how people thought and lived back when humanity was a lot less informed about the world we live in. We can learn how far humanity has come from such destructive ideas and promote more humanism and the fact that all we have to lean on in this world is each other.

The Bible was written in a different time and place. This entire subject is a non sequitur.

What do white Christian Americans say when you point out that Jesus probably looked like Bin Laden and would probably consider the US as the new Rome and worthy of if not being destroyed then at least having a couple tall buildings interfered with by flying chariots.

I would never buy her book. It's hard enough to listen to word salad. Who wants to read it.

I wonder how we'd regard it if the canon had been assembled in the late 200s, but Constantine, the Byzantines and the Sassanids had succeeded in completely wiping christianity out, instead of Constantibe converting - and the it was only rediscovered 50 years ago.

His children will be resurrected.

Great interview. I love leaning about the Bible. I never went to church as a child, but I have been sorounded by theology from culture. I got enough to feel guilty about everything but never got the redemption.🙄

They will not be raised in immortal bodies. The resurrected saints have to go to judgement before rewarded with an immortal body. Those rejected die again thus, the second death.

Hence, Paul's writing is from what Paul was thinking about...thus the Doctrinal Narrative changed as he got older.

I've never noticed a difference between what white evangelicals preach and what black evangelicals preach.

Imagine if she kept repeating black evangelicals this video would get taken down . Pretending to be brave by pointing out whites

The Trinity Paradox is a Roman Catholic invention and is not Biblical. The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit comprise the ‘Elohim’ (Gods) in Genesis 1:26. They are three distinct personas that forms the Godhead. But, unlike the Trinity, the Father is superior to the Son and the Holy Spirit and the Son is superior to the Holy Spirit as the Bible clearly shows.

I was somewhat disappointed by this lecture. It scrupulously avoided talking about the social construction of race in the white evangelical mind. I do not know how you could avoid it. It is the reason I am not a Christian and refuse to become one.

The business about Jesus calling the syro-phoenician woman a bitch seems rather extreme/far-fetched. I hope the rest of the book isn't like that

Joshua was a terrorist.

Oh so its Trumps fault ! Please stay in California

"It's all Patriarchy." Is this always going to be the takeaway from female scholarship?

It's telling that American white Protestants can recite the Jericho story by heart. Growing up as a non-American Catholic, I heard/learned virtually nothing from the Iron Age fictional/mythic stories that the "Old" Testament mostly consists of (along with all the priestly stuff that most Christians ignore wholesale as being superseded). The only bits beyond Genesis and the Passover narrative in Exodus that we ever heard were the extracts from various prophets that supposedly foretold the advent of Christ and, of course, his moral teachings. To me that seems FAR more defensible for anyone claiming to be a "Christian" than to fetishize old stories from an Israelite past (an almost wholly imagined one, to judge by the latest available archaeology) that predates even late Second Temple Judahism - from which Christianity of course emerged.

The Syrophoenician Woman is in Mark 7

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She makes the claim the Bible is Evil, morally depraved compared to say secular Marxist/Leminism.

I have 2 issues with what she says in this interview: 1. If the white demographics is just an example, then that's something she should be saying early rather than 40 minutes in, and also she should have done at least a cursory study of whether the phenomenon in question is done by other groups to avoid misleading people, and 2. The Jericho episode of VeggieTales is a really weird example to use. Would any children actually think the talking vegetables show was doing a faithful retelling of any of the direct bible stories? To give another example, I vaguely recall the David and Goliath episode being reframed as children on a playground.

If God has given a Devin book it should have what God wants from humans not just believing on God.

PRETERISM! The Bible prophecies were completed by 70 AD! Berean Bible Church teaches it all 🙏🏼♥️.

As a nutritionist I appreciate you promoting vegetables to children , even if you do try using religion to reach that end . 23:27

A disappointing episode. I agree with her basic thesis that culture so strongly influences our interpretations. (Exogesis v Isogesis ?) The interview revolved mainly around 2 poles OT violence and patriarchal attitudes to women and how interpretation of the texts is tuned to cultural values. It mostly focus on misogyny and plays on an inerrant view of scripture. There was a brief nod to deutero-pauline (?) authorship. (And Bart in his Misquoting Jesus book emphases how women's place in the early church might have been more equal but thhey may have had a lower place in the later church.) The main argument was about how the modern church's reading of the bible is skewed and the weakness of scholars' argument. I found Jill's definition of 'misogyny' a bit extreme/feminist - we all live in a society with various expectations ....

Never thought of Paul as a Hair Stylist...🤔

It turns out that the bible hocus pocus are mainly ufo sightings. As an aerospace engineer I ve seen them more than 20x. Your angels and signs and visions are alien tech.

Or... When intellectuals go apologist.

It's weird, every time I listen to Bart I become more convinced that Jesus is completely mythological. It's the one complete argument that answers all of the problems he has to hypothesise about.

If you think Paul was less effective than Seneca philosophically, I think you're in error. The bar for Roman writers of their day was rhetoric, with a strong sense of that effect for posterity. The fact is, Paul's letters have been far more effective than Seneca's.

Ya. It wasn't until about 800 ad that people started accepting cremation... to the best of my knowledge

Wait until Job realises God was just tryna win a bet 😂

I wonder what Dr Hicks-Keeton would have to say about the recent publication of an evangelical girlie calendar 🫣

I suspect that what's happening in Gaza today is a shocking echo of the book of Joshua 49:22

What I will never understand is how people that listen to Bart in earnest (meaning listen and read a lot of his material and fully understand it) still continue to believe in the god(s) myth! It’s not tantamount but exactly the same as being told the origin story of Santa Clause and how in 1793 in Austria a toy maker wrote a short story about a jolly old man with elves and flying deer (I didn’t google the actual origin but whatever it is) and then despite being told every truthful detail (and to a grown adult) you still fervently maintain every December 24th a fat man flys around the world delivering toys to all the children whom have been good. At best Jesus was a philosopher cult leader (who knew nothing that was not the establishment zeitgeist of his day…not a single thing) and moving toward worse he was a con man collecting fools…worse still he was eumerierized (historical fiction and he never existed at all). In all 3 possible permutations Bart makes it clear there was no, is no, and never was a “god”. How can you people continue your self deception? Are you that scared of death you need fiction to not go insane? Isn’t life itself enough? How can you maintain belief and faith in literally nothing? It just makes me so sad for both you personally and for us as a species. Every minute spent in faith is another minute we’re held back from what we can become. Faith hobbles progress. It’s like watching people with great talent and potential doing heroin all day instead of studying hard and creating. Kind of if the show ‘The Walking Dead’ was real…and belief in any of the currently 2000 gods (and the appropriate 10,000 that came before them) make you a Zombie. Think of what we could to if we just wiped mythology off the planet. We’d have conquered speed of light travel by now…but you know…Hamas…YAWH…Christ…Poseidon…all that blood, all that gold, all those minds, all that time…squandered for sad things that never existed. It makes me sad.

VAST multitudes seeking truth *fail to find* because they're easily *led astray* by worldly logic, sensuality, vain esoterism or specious mysticisms. *I know I was.* I'm an ex neo-vedantic (hindu roots) new ager. I used to be into so much "cosmic/spiritual" stuff: trance channelings, ancient wisdom, gnosticism, psychedelic drugs, hindu gurus and buddhist variants. I was illuminated by the *kundalini (serpent) spirit* then 8 years ago I got rightly enlightened by the *Holy Spirit* which proceeded to show me what a *fool* I was before..... Spirit led to the REAL *Yahusha/Jesus Christ* and everything changed - *Paradigm Shifted* ..... This is being *BORN AGAIN* and it's an ongoing surprise to me 😁 Turns out Spirituality is a *soul serious* business taken way too lightly by *far too many* ..... ..... the end-times are *dead ahead;* a time of tribulation is near. It escapes the notice of our *self-absorbed,* glamour-saturated world that we're in a spiritual WAR for souls. The immensity of *ignorance* is astonishing: supernal powers are BEDAZZLING the minds of the masses (Ephesians 6:12). We've inherited *ancient* SPIRITUAL *subversion* ......... *the Earth is fallen* ..... the holistic fields of nature are fallen state. *"Morphic Resonance"* is OUT of affinity with DIVINITY; *Death is all too familiar:* natural life hunts, KILLS and *feeds* on itself. Humanity is a spiritually *fallen race* highly prone to *deceit and delusion.* FRANKLY, we *need* a SAVIOUR and by Jesus Christ we have a GREAT ONE. As a new ager I couldn't believe (I was *damn sure* I knew better) but in the *Light of Spirit* Jesus really is the *Way, the truth and the Life* just like He said: no one comes to GOD except through Jesus, there's no other way (Matthew 7:13-14). Being a neo-vedantist I wasn't convinced, yet, turns out the Bible is Spirit breathed, written by men inspired by the *Holy Spirit.* Jesus is vividly portrayed and endorsed in the new testament, in fact he's apparent in the old testament too (Luke 24:27 & 44) and by *His LIGHT* we're allowed to *see* that and *know Him.* Any previously perceived discrepancies or contradictions are ironed out and the supernatural narrative flows most beautifully..... so yeah, the Bible IS a VERY good book. The Bible is the Revelation of *Jesus Christ* (Isaiah 2:2-4; 9:6-7 & 45:23, Daniel 7:13-14, Matthew 28:18, Mark 14:61-62, Revelation 1:7-8 & 18, Rev 19:11-21

Thanks for a fascinating interview!

Satan

Shades of the late, great Hector Avalos, QEPD.

"pornodoxy" is a brilliant neologism! I hereby coin the near-synonymous "erotodoxy", although I permit its use by anyone provided my name be mentioned as its originator.