People often forget about the vicious misogyny in Revelation. Babylon the Great is depicted as a proud, promiscuous woman who is later subjected to SV and violent murder by her lovers. The fact that John of Patmos used sexual homicide against a woman as a symbol of the triumph of good over evil should revolt us. I don’t see Jesus of Nazareth approving of John’s misogyny.

What kind of mushrooms grow on Patmos? ... start there ...

"End Times" ... haven't heard that hooey for a few years ... What's the latest prediction? Next week? Stock up on the bubbly!

10:18 (Summer blockbuster trailer voice) He was killed by his enemies, but that was not enough to keep him down. He's back and he will make them pay: rivers and oceans of blood and the carnage from the sword that comes out of his mouth. Jesus 2: Judgement Day

Megan, that red lip is striking! Thanks for another great video from Dr Ehrman and Megan.

Bart nerding out over his fiction loves is priceless! 😄

Excellent thank you

The very fact that the violence is diametrically opposed to Jesus of the gospels should alert you that your interpretation can't be right. The fantastical images are just that, fantasies that answer the martyrs' prayers for vengeance. But "they did not repent" - that approach does not work. Instead, Jesus enters the battle covered in his own blood and conquering hearts with the sword from his mouth, the gospel. People might want Jesus to be a lion like David, but when you take a closer look, he's actually a slain lamb. He wins through weakness, not force.

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Complète bull. Judas is called the son of perdition. Even Jesus said one of you is a demon!

Um… 22:06 Ehrman: “they don’t notice that Paul never says things like repent and God will forgive you your sins.” Literally Paul: “For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.” 2 Corinthians 7:10 And “The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.” Acts 17:30-31 And don’t forget: acts 29:21, Acts 26:20, Romans 2:4, Romans 6:1-4, and the list goes on. Paul includes repentance in his concept of faith. It is consistently one part of what having faith in Jesus means to him.

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Christianity is a messy religion.

Dogs in general. However, I love them!!!! I'm a KJV only kinda girl! Ex Catholic/Pentecostal. I'm here to learn more.

Those glasses 😂

In Corinthians Paul speaks the same way about women as he does in Timothy

Did John of Patmos have access to the four gospels?

Great episode. Thank you

Paul hated Jesus??????!? Sir ???? You forgot you meds again didn’t you????? Come on how many times have you been told not to go on without your meds ?? Please sir don’t do nothing without a double dose of your medication Now have a great day in the meantime

If you read Revelation literally, it is horrifying, but why read it literally? Look for symbols which do comport with the teachings of Jesus, and understand them as symbols and metaphors only.

I heard that John of Patmos may have taken some kind of hallucinogen while he was writing Revelation. When you read it, that could fit - it's a bizarre book

I think Bert hit the jackpot with Megan. She’s so engaging and lets him shine completely.

Didn’t Jesus imply his second coming would be like a thief? Maybe stealing back what’s rightfully his?

But Bart John said the book is presented in sign language and you takes it literally duh.

The claim that John is a lunatic, a disillusioned, mental case is not unusual for all the prophets of sacred scripture as it has been the claim for Christ lest we forget that. Yet it remains to ask who is this scale-holder of mental-equilibrium that in good conscience and in good moral standing can lay a judgment on Christ. I'd say none of those that took upon themselves to judge and kill innocent Christ. John is the one who stood with the mother of Christ at the cross. John is the author of Revelation that is the closing of the sacred scriptures for Christians, Western Roman Rite and Eastern Orthodox Rite. You can judge and condemn an innocent Christ with lies and fallicities of an order that does not respect truth and actions that point to non-harmful acts towards the other but rather protection of himself and his family from the abuse of authority, however your condamnation of innocent Christ will follow you for life for falling in the adversaries trap.

"I seen religion, from Jesus to Paul!" -- John Lennon

how do we know that Jesus speech was actually his. Is there any older video that can answer this ?

this is a book which, twice over, was seen by church fathers to not be christian (when the bible was being canonized and when martin luther made his translation). it is perhaps the worst aspects of the entire faith and many "christians" are really revelationists. a horrible book.

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The very first verse of Revelation discredits all that follows. In no language on Earth is the like of "soon to pass" or "shortly to come" meant to signify any length upwards of 1,700 years!

I don't understand why Revelation is in the Bible and what we are supposed to do with it.

Was the book really written at the end of II century? Was that a mistake and should have been I century instead?

This is likely a stupid question but I have to ask anyway: if John's views are so contrary to Jesus's teachings, how/why was his poorly written book even included in the Bible???

The Book of Revelation, the slaughter of the innocents, God’s commands to kill the native inhabitants to the Holy Land - even the children, which is genocide, all of this sort of thing in scripture is seen by Christian mystics such as St. John of the Cross, as symbolic of the need to destroy our DESIRES- even in their infancy. In fact, the mystical understanding involves complete annihilation of the self - the false self, which has likes and dislikes, wants and fears, and appears a separate from everything else in the world and therefore always in opposition to it. Seen in this symbolic light, the cruel, dominating themes in scripture have to do with SELF dominance. Obviously, this is only one layer of meaning; and probably is not what the authors intended consciously to convey. But as Jung says, genuine religious writing is a product of the unconscious- coming from the same bizarre source as dreams, visions, and other such unconscious material. Most of the mystics and contemplatives read these scriptures in this light, not according to their literal meaning. So the dreadful landscape of Revelation is the false self, and the wrath of Christ in destroying the city and killing all the people who don’t believe, is the destruction of that self and its myriad wants, yearnings, fears, needs and grasping for ownership.

Thanks for this discourse on Revelation. I have never read it for the very reason that most people don't. It just made little sense to me when I tried to read it or when I listened to a discussion on it. Christianity can be a confusing religion.

Excellent as always. The one debate point I would put forward would be that Dr. Ehrman is assuming the Jesus teachings of the Gospels are the authentic teachings and that Revelation is an aberration. Whereas the gospels are an earlier set of documents it is they which might skew from authenticity, making Jesus more of a Hellenistic philosopher and Revelation might preserve an angrier, more Jewish Apocalyptic Jesus.

Bart is on point with this

We are mammals. Difference between us and fellow mammals is intelligence and the knowledge that we are mortal. Religion is about control.

The male voice-over sounds hypey, like I’m being sold something, rather than presented with scholarship. Am I ? Bart has written several best sellers, making him very wealthy, and is now selling his lectures as well. This is all very off-putting.

Considering the FACT that John of Patmos has been DEAD for hundreds of years, NOBODY will ever know!

Based on the nuerology revealed by Dennis McDonald that both the Iliad and the Odyssey had 24 chapters to match the number of lettr in the Greek alphabet. The numerology of Revelation etablishes that the recitation was in Hebrew, which is why the Greek is so sloppy, It's the same with the sloppy greek of the Gospel of Mark: the authograph that went to Rome was in Latin, Revelation is like Psalm 119 , which has 22 setions for the Hebrew alphabet, The differnce between them is that a human poet assembled the Psakn to be a cristuc byt Revekatuib dudb;t gave 22 cgaoteers ybtuk 1551m wgeb the Hly Spirit and a typsetter created the versifction, which is inerrant We can find things, chapter and verse, because an agent of The Satan, the typesetter, and the Holy Spirit had a working relationship to complete the divinity of the Palestine Bible with it's 66 chapters. Isaiah has 66 chapters, David is in 66 chapters of the HEbrew narrative. Mohammad was in 66 battles. What does it mean? It meas that it is all fucking connected, The idea that harmonization is the enmy of the truth is the axiom of the enemy of Truth, Whomsoever that might be in the Post Modern Historical You really got sold a bill of goods with Campus Crusade for Christ or Christian Fellowship or sother variation on the Jesus movement in the 60s as a rebuke of the sex, drugs and rock-and-Roll the rest of the Boomers were sharing, I men, by and large, which it came to the campus culture wars, I was an innocent bystander, Given that Trump was just elected, I am collateral damage from the Boomer food fight, As a combat crazed Eisehhower Republican, the liberals won the 60s but Project 2025 just won the war. REvelation is a Khbala description of the spiritual warfare that commenced with the selection of the anti-christ, Barabbas in favor of The Christ, Jesus of Nazereth, The argument can be made that the them of Revelation is that Pay-bakcs are a Bitch!, but it is actually about the spiritual warfare between the moderat Jews like Josephus who fsaw Pax Romana as the future, and the Zealtos, who wanted Roman blood. And, in 66 CE, the 12th Legion was destroyed by partisan forces and the Zealots took control of the bus. And drove it straight into the 10th Legion, who were all Roman soldiers of Christ as ratified by the Talking Cross. Jesus had hothing to do with it. His death repayed the Karmic debt He created when He raised Lazarus by His own authority iover Genesis 1:2. Jesus was trying to prevent Revelation,, the spirtual warfare as collateral damage from the Zealot's constant agitation, Like Project 2025. Revelation is Christian Khabala and the bridge into starts with Mark 13 to Mark 15:39 to Revelation 13 to Matthew 13 to Mark 4, to close the loop. This wasn't possible before 1551, but if you require evidence of the Holy Spirit at work, thre it is. You need to give up on the idea that you are a literary critic. You are a historic bean counter who has convinced the world Jesus couldn't exist without textual analysis.

What made the early church include it in the bible in the first place?

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Most interesting, as always, but is there a longer version of this (or an article/book) which expands the view expressed, please?

Revelation is my favorite book. If you argue literary significance in the bible, this book is the only qualifier.

I look forward to this podcast every week. You both are fantastic. Thank you!

In "Mere C" to be brief; CS Lewis was upset by the notion of " A Great Teacher" applied to The only Son of God..Jesus. Noting that if true then He/he might be referred to as "a poached egg" rather than a member of the immaculate Trinity. Note that Lewis offered his own sermon noting the use of an outsized hammer & chisel by an sadistic Jehovah on the skulls of lesser believers. Plausible onclusion; CS over thought his divinity over too many pints at the famous Pub of which I cant recall the name.

It's weird that people think God would need help to overcome His enemies. 23:40 But Jesus also say his disciples will sit on thrones and judge the tribes of Israel. That doesn't sound like servitude.

David Koresh of his time.