Base Formations | Arkpedia Ep 4

[@kukkikaze]

The featured operator is Silence as it's the operator PeterYR features himself as. He assisted me in researching on this topic, and he's a great teacher about the bases throughout the entirety of Arknights' existence. Please check out his KZbin channel for even more in-depth information! Link: kzbin.info Some of you might be wondering “As a hyper casual who logs in once a day, which base is better for me?” I’m going to answer this question at the start of the next episode for you! I think I also intrigued some of you when I said "Orundum Farm Base" twice in the video. I did not put it here because I HIGHLY discourage that base. While it sounds nice to get more orundums, the actual gain is not very impressive because you are trading away a lot of materials, LMD and EXP to get a measly 10-20 pulls every month (Pull someone new, but can't even build that person plus others for months). It should be reserved for players who are adamant that they are in a good place of the game. Orundum Farm Base is covered in a double-digit numbered episode called "Orundum Management" and the "Whale's Base" is covered in also a double-digit episode, "A Guide for Whales".

[@PeterYR]

243 IS STILL OPTIMAL 😡😡 ENDGAME BASE NEEDS 3 POWER PLANTS 😡😡 1 MILLION LMD SETUP COST IS OK 😡😡 [content creator] RECOMMENDS 243 😡😡 LVL 1 DORMS = MORE MANAGEMENT 😡😡 LMD IS THE BOTTLENECK NOT EXP 😡😡 243 IS BETTER ON CN 😡😡 FRIEND CREDITS ARE WORTH MORE 😡😡 SANITY VALUES ARE FAKE NEWS 😡😡 MAX OFFICE = MORE RECRUITMENTS 😡😡 IT COSTS TOO MUCH TO SWITCH 😡😡 NINE-COLORED DEER IS OVERRATED 😡😡 MORE AMBIENCE = FASTER CLUES 😡😡 252 CAN'T MAX TRAINING ROOM 😡😡 PROVISO IS NOT 252-BIASED 😡😡 243 IS BEST FOR CASUALS 😡😡

[@blitzrohan]

if its about arknights calculations, PeterYR is one of the only people i will trust

[@blackgatoacer9211]

Ysk that even though 342 is considered the "orundum farm" layout, it is actually more commonly considered as the "gold burn" layout, similar to how people see 333 as the best layout for lmd. It is pretty much the best layout for people who currently have 4 digits worth of bars in their depot. I don't know if this could be too "try-hard" for casual players, but there is another 252 max right layout that a lot of people don't know about, which is 252 mr factory levels 33221 (with dorm being 1111 instead of 2111). This set up allows an extra 3-man factory for you to put your essential combos in (mainly verm team and automaton team), further weakening the argument that you need 243 for better combos. The set up however requires you to log in more frequently as lv1 factories cap faster (~8h xp/10h gold with 30% worker). That doesn't affect 12h rotations though, as lv1 facility workers still last 34h with fully staffed CC. The same theory can be applied to 342 layout.

[@asmallrabbit]

2-4-3 simply because i just can't leave stuff un-upgraded without it driving me nuts and its all nicely balanced.

[@kukkikaze]

Ok

[@PeterYR]

Ok

[@ZaaaRFZ]

Ok

[@alexxediego7526]

Ok

[@sariusangton]

Ok

[@salre_9852]

Definitely sticking with 2-4-3 because it fits my work/life balance better. Can only log in game to play once per day in most days (expect Sunday)

[@kukkikaze]

I can approve of this! I'll talk about the hyper casual one login a day playstyle in the next episode.

[@rbarufi]

next episode? 😥@@kukkikaze

[@Inkspeed]

​@@kukkikaze haha yes next episode of course

[@zomfgroflmao1337]

The thing about all these base optimization is that every argument falls apart the moment you let the sanity of your operators run out for an hour or two. At that point the base suffers more from negligence than from any form of 'worse' layout. With that in mind I will keep my all maxed out base in the 2-3-4 style, because the efficiency would be barely better, given that I log in maybe twice or three times a day, but I still find some exhausted operators from time to time. The mathematically perfect base would only make sense when you always swap operators before they run out of stamina, keeping a timer or constantly checking on the base, which is way too much work for something that is effectively a relatively small boost to your materials (it becomes even less of an issue if you let your sanity get capped or you waste sanity on failed stages). I think the priority should be: Don't waste sanity -> do your dailies -> gather materials before production stops -> swap your operators asap once they run out of stamina in the base and only if all those points are sorted out (which I see a lot of people already messing up) does it make sense to start worrying about base layout efficiency.

[@Mr_Rhodey]

This is a very based topic.

[@abrahamwijaya6631]

Yes, a base topic

[@nikiong66]

He's certainly building a good arkpedia resource here.

[@STREEEEEET]

Here's an important tip. Upgrade ALL your factories to max level first, you'll need 10 building at max level in order to upgrade your control center to lvl 5. After that you can downgrade whatever you need and use the same material to upgrade your right side ( remember you can't downgrade the right side buildings ). I saved a TON of LMD by doing that.

[@HHVanillaIce]

4:43 as long as you have built the lv3 factory for the first time, after that even if after ALL of factories are lv2 you'd still can produce gold exp for all factories

[@xeron3430]

i second this

[@Enttoma]

I level 3 the right side of my base, I can't level 3 my factories anymore except one idk if I screwed or not. I'm following a 252 layout

[@HHVanillaIce]

@@Enttoma nah you're not, I have the right side also maxed, it doesn't really affect me apart from lower dorm levels, although it's inefficient than a maxed 252, but it's still produce better than 243 since it's produce extra exp/gold for each cycle

[@Enttoma]

@@HHVanillaIce ah I see thanks for the info, also what do you think is the best skill base combination?

[@dryptosaurus]

To add my two cents here about the "lot of gold" topic (at 7:00 mark). I have 2-4-3 base and I have been playing Arknighty for a year, so I should have had enough time to gather that much gold. But surprisingly no. I am relieved every month when the green cert shop opens back up, and I can buy 120 gold, because I have fallen dangerously close to running out from in the previous month. This probably stems from the fact that I have the Shamare combo available, so whenever they are in a trading post, I drone that post and they just eat through my gold storage (but also I have been running low on LMD, so it's the best choice).

[@bencoad8492]

yea i never really get a above 200 gold bars coz i boost the trading post to eat the bars

[@chae7684]

Same and on the rare occasion I do get too much gold I just swap a factory to exp for a day or two

[@adrianeckert6529]

Do almost all 2-4-3 drone bomb shamare? I do. And my gold hovers between 200-300. I ran out once and said never again.

[@PolarBear_ed]

Yeah, I've been playing since...the beginning and my gold has never reached 300. Almost reached zero many times though.

[@michalzin]

After reaching part about rotation... yeah, sticking with 243 - I only need to swap once per day, might lose some resources (from what I saw, not that much) but one less bothersome thing to do is always nice.

[@christopherzajonskowski7123]

Would be interesting to do the math how it actually differs if your run 2-5-2 but will miss out a reasonable amount of 12h rotations compared to doing 24h ones more consistently. This really is too much min-maxing and too little difference for me to legitimize having to log in twice a day - every day.

[@spiritus_noctis]

@@christopherzajonskowski7123 that's the point... You can also rotate 2-4-3 every 12 hours to make it a bit more efficient, and 2-5-2 also gets worse if you only rotate every 24 hours... I don't know why kukki would compare a 12h 252 base to a 24h 243 base... In the end a 252 base is about 7% more efficient in production, but it's only gonna get less the more good operator combos are getting released PS: the trust bonus from base is actually quite significant... If you have 5k ambience in comparison to 20k, your operators are gonna take about 55% longer to get to max trust even if you spend all your sanity on trust farming them.

[@zerogalaxy2735]

@@spiritus_noctis Exactly! Max trusting your OP's is going to literally take a freaking century.

[@PolarBear_ed]

@@spiritus_noctis Yeah I still don't understand why he's comparing 12h 252 to 24h 243. Hope he answers.

[@darkrealmlight92]

Everything Kukki said just flew over my head. All I heard was him calling his nieces and nephews stupid, like a true Asian uncle. Thanks Kukki. 😂 How weird for me to say that, considering I’m a 32 years old asian uncle myself and Kukki is probably a decade younger.

[@luckykitty1740]

333 right here, I am willing to sacrifice efficiency for a symmetrical base. I live for the grind.

[@mayatree0]

I am gonna stick to 2-4-3 still as i have some operator that will significantly boost EXP-LMD productions if they're together in 3. With 2-4-3 allowing you to max your dorms, you can just rotate the best operators quickly without using another operators like Fiametta to boost morale regeneration at reasonable rate. That said 2-4-3 and 2-5-2 are both a good choice and one isn't necessarily better than the other in all of things and if you want to do either of them (including 3-3-3) you must acknowledge the downsides and adapt.

[@zerogalaxy2735]

As a fellow 243 base user (and veteran dokutah) I fully agree with ya. Also the fact that the base is still considered to be in its beta phase, doesn't really help. I mean if a future update for the base counts on the idea that your base is maxed out then ya kinda shooting yourself in the foot with this. However I'm not saying that the other base layouts are bad tho.

[@DisIngRaM]

​@@zerogalaxy2735 It's never out of Beta. The dorm is a very tricky design you see. Part of it due to the base had been this way for far too long, that players had adapt and have an expectation of their base. Add more space/complexity to it, players will feel grindy. Reduce the complexity in it, and players will feel tricked/downgraded. Future upgrade to the dorm, will most likely be unrelated to LMD, Ingot/Orundum, EXP. I can't see any upgrade to the dorm that plays on LMD, Ingot/Orundum, EXP to be appreciated by the players at Long run.

[@zerogalaxy2735]

@@DisIngRaM "It's never out of Beta." Well it took Hypergryph 2 years to make a "claim all" button, so if I were you I wouldn't make assumptions this big. However I'm not disagreeing with what you're stating, but you should take into consideration that we have no clue what kind of plans Hypergryph has for the base. I don't know if you're a lorelover (like me) but the base is quite lore heavy (W's event, the upgrade items for the base, Kal's archive files, and the freaking picture of the base (if you turn the picture of the base upside down, you will understand where I'm coming frrom)). The point I'm trying to get to is that, it has been hinted at that the base will play a big role at one point in the main story.

[@user-zu8dw1ox1q]

​@@zerogalaxy2735Has that happened yet?

[@kenkaneki3873]

I'm looking forward to the operator combo guide.

[@G_Pheno]

I finally decided to give it a serious attempt and your Arkpedia guides have been incredibly helpful as a blind newbie. It has set an amazing foundation for me to build off of. I appreciate all the hard work and effort you put into these videos. Thank you!

[@WhiteFang103]

2-4-3. Because I've done that for over two years already. Not like I'm gonna change it at this point of my Arknights journey lol. Literally just 2 shift changes in a day for me. One when I wake up and the other before I go to bed. It's very easy to manage and doesn't take your time while still pumping good amount of resources.

[@jaeger1123]

It's also just 2 shift changes on 252 while more than likely producing more resources, so I don't understand the refusal to make such a simple switch

[@Gxylord]

What I do to help with the over-production of gold on a 2-4-3 is just swapping one of the gold productions to a third EXP production as well so I only have 111 gold rn lol

[@maomao2623]

@@jaeger1123 because it not actually that simple for a player with already establish base for years, sure 252 is better at exp production but there is still other factor like drone using and credit that we get for dorm also counting as sanity that 252 potentially lost ( that is 150 credit and depend on shop its like 12 gold bar more or less which is like 50% of a normal base slot) that is if we have max dorm version( there is unit that have some huge bonus for dorm lv too like archetto get 40% depend on your dorm which is rare as hell..) the no trainning version literally lock you out of m3 and stuff for a while and its not 2 shift. 252 is better for exp but for some it just not worth the trade.

[@ssultan_nn]

@@jaeger1123 max right 253 is only marginally better than 243 tho

[@peterzhou969]

@@maomao2623 everything like credits and drones has been accounted for and 252 still better. Any benefits you may get with operators like archetto is completely squashed by the existance of proviso

[@leiuwu3965]

as someone whos been playing for 1.5 years and uses 243 this is the first time i heard the term base rotation and i never knew im suppose to rotate every 6 or 24 hours, i just log on and rotate put whatever fatigued op there is at random times

[@charginginprogresss]

Biggest advantage of 2-4-3. You can do whatever and even just log in once a day. 2-5-2 players in shambles, forced to log in at exactly the same time everyday, two times exactly 12 hours apart.

[@tortoise-chan]

@@charginginprogresss 2-4-3 requires more micromanagement to beat 2-5-2. It has fewer production facilities and therefore less raw production in exchange for domitory levels; if you log in less than 4 times a day then max dormitories are sitting unused. Hence you might as well downgrade them and use that power to run an extra factory. And since many 2-4-3 players have a maxed right side, switching to 2-5-2 wouldn't even require any extra factory workers, so total dorm space is also a non factor. Whatever you're currently doing with 2-4-3, you could do exactly the same thing with 2-5-2, and the only difference you would notice is extra experience over time.

[@tortoise-chan]

I also logged in randomly for a long time and as a result I was logging in quite frequently and operators would still go for a long time at 0 morale. The thing about logging in at set intervals is it actually makes it *easier* to manage the base more precisely and optimally. After all, operators can work for a set amount of time and take a set amount of time to recover in dormitories, so even if you don't have a fixed login schedule, there are still hidden "timings" when operators need to be rotated. Logging in every 12 hours (for example) is essentially just setting all those timers at the same time, so that you can log in just once to catch them all when they're about to go off, instead of constantly juggling them and dropping them all the time.

[@Shadow6OO]

@@tortoise-chan 2-4-3 might require more micromanagement to beat 2-5-2, however it takes way less micromanagement to just function without fatigue. With 2-5-2 you have to stick to fairly strict rotations 2 times a day, meaning that if you miss one of those by a few hours by accident then that has a chance to really fuck up your next rotation and you'll have to do even more micromanagement. Meanwhile with 2-4-3 you can miss a time and just pop your operators into the dorms and, even if every one of them were exhausted, you'd still likely have enough time to set them back up in time for the next rotation. As well, 2-4-3 allows for "Sleep Rotations" where you can just set up a team of all your strongest (but not too moral exhaustive) production teams at the beginning of the day and swap them out for the second best teams (or any operators you may want to build the trust of) before you go to bed. 2-5-2 will likely produce better results in most scenarios true, but 2-4-3 allows you to produce adequate results with less micromanaging and way less stress.

[@phosyphos5192]

Yeah bro Here i am a 3 years player I kept my base at 243 from the start When you have 243 you don't have to do rotation or anything Just swap the less morale operator When ever you login

[@crocodillyglasses1354]

I was a happy 3-4-2 user for a year and a half. Not only because I sometimes liked to farm orundum, but because I found LMD to be a more limiting factor than exp cards. I only just recently switched back to 2-5-2 because I finally hit my exp card limit. The thing that changed was deciding to level more units past e2 40, especially with all the modules these days. The higher e2 levels are very expensive and a big drain on resources.

[@Briansip2]

If my gold stacked so much I change it to orundum shards. 😂 as light spender, being prepared for pulls always worth. I can always upgrade then along the way. I’ll be waiting for the advance base guide video!

[@angelrodriguez-di9tw]

As a bit newbie since i left the game for a year and few months ago i just come back, as a user of 2-4-3 i dont know if im doing something wrong but i dont have over production of gold, i mean is a good amount of gold but not over produced if the day comes were i have that amount of gold, im gona be sure of have lots of rocks to farm some good orondum or even more xp, i can see your points and im just gona keep my base, we came here to play Pd: btw your guides helped me a lot to improve my progression, so thank you very much! Keep the good work

[@ruslana4135]

You can just have "no gold bars days" or "no gold bars week" depending on how much bloated your gold bars are, at least in my experience... with 2 factories producing gold bars and 2 factories producing exps, my gold are stacking up overtime and I just turn off the gold production and have a full week producing exps while using up the gold bars stocks I have

[@secretscarlet8249]

*nosebleeds from numbers overload* I-I think I need to rewatch this multiple times...

[@qq4827]

Thanks to you I've optimized my base by building 252 and now I'm easily making ~55k+ LMD per day + decent amounts of EXP (I forgot how much)

[@blumstein3468]

It's finally here! Thanks for the guide kukki!

[@cnash5647]

9:44 Hoh, so that's what the 20 credits pop up means, so proud that someone actually use my support unit.

[@iJedi_aye]

9:07 Technically, it's the ambience of your dorms, which depends on both the dorm level (for the ambience cap - 1k per level) and the furniture in the dorm (to set the ambience level). So a lvl5 dorm with a 3k ambience furniture set will provide the same base/floor assistant trust and friend credits as a lvl3 dorm with a 3k furniture set.

[@dalgona4819]

Uncle Kukki saying "Stupid!" at 6:13 is just too funny, he felt like my Asian mom for some reason 😆

[@Hyo_Panda]

When i still low level player, Forget about meta or waifu debate The most interesting and fun to watch for me is base debate

[@Victorvonbass]

I've always used 243. I usually do 2 base swaps, when I wake up and when I sleep. Swap 1 only swaps all factory operators. Team 1 is: Conviction, Frostleaf, Shirayuki Feater, Vigna, Castle Mizuki, Perfumer, Roberta Haze, Spot, Gravel Team 2 is: Bubble, Vulcan, Bena Vermeil, Pallas, Ceobe Purestream, Weedy, Eunectes Mayer, Waai Fu, Jessica Other shift changes are HR, Reception and Trading Posts. Team 1 is: Chen, Astesia Texas, Exusiai, Lappland Jaye, Silver Ash, Cliffheart +10% or higher Power Plant ops Team 2 is: Red, Gitano Archetto, Bison, Snowsant Shamare, Kafka, Tequila +10% or higher Power Plant ops. The other dorm slots are used for trust farm.

[@BW20532]

Me who has about 5K gold in my storage: *"...gonna farm a bit more before i switch to EXP"*

[@shadymodnation5781]

same lol

[@Gxylord]

If you don't want to swap to a 2-5-2 you could always just change one or both of your gold productions to EXP for awhile- that's what I do when I have a surplus

[@highpriestessmoon]

I hope you continue making more videos in this series! Your guides have helped me a lot! Just started the other day. I would love a guide on shop currencies, and what is worth buying. Also about the gacha system! You have a talent for making good guides.

[@Taronus68]

I started as 2-4-3 and i'm way too lazy to swap to 2-5-2 and add in another rotation to swap operators out every day. After a certain point, I accumulated enough materials and LMD to m3 E2 60 like any 10 6* operators in one go if I really needed to. I am looking forward to the most efficient operator combinations though. I don't bother with using operators like Ling, Whisperrain, etc. that has more than 1 line of text in their base description.

[@hellnickyable]

i'll only be convinced to convert to 2-5-2 when i can downgrade office and reception room ( which to be honest it's y some people argue 2-5-2 isnt a base recommended by hypergrpyh ) when i can make more lv3 factory in 252 ill be convinced that 252 > 243. reason being i have a good amount of 3 op combo. edit: also im running 3 factory on xp and 1 on Gold, and periodically making 2xp 2 gold factory line when i ran out. so imo it's already good enough

[@lockydowny]

You mean exp?

[@Gxylord]

Yeah that's what I do when I notice a surplus of gold, swapping one of the gold factories to another EXP then reverting when gold's getting low again

[@hellnickyable]

@@lockydowny my brain frooze, yes, i meant i'd go 3xp 1gold and flex to 2xp 2gold when gold is low

[@Wx78zZ]

I can't downgrade my office

[@KingOfHarems]

The real pro's of Arknights actually use the forbidden technique of only exp in base, and just farm lmd. You will never have a problem with either anymore. The only requirement is a stacked inventory filled with materials.

[@Sceptera]

Honestly both 252 and 243 are good and LMD as stated is basically the same. If your rotation of units is good and you use the shop, (the extra daily credits for max base) help purchase more exp/gold helps. 252 is great for Leveling, which you do most of the time, IE new operators/chapters to level continually come out. The 243 base seems more END GAME and is about maxing out producing more specialty items and training Mastery 3's etc. and having max dorms helps rotation as operators fill up moral more quickly specially if you rotate base 2-3 times a day. With good 6 stars in the factory increasing production by +35% or more; really help offset the difference between 2 factory vs 3 factories with 2 having 35% less output cause missing operator buff balance out closer then you think. Difference still adds up and is about +10k exp a week IE 10 yellow exp cards which is about half a days worth of exp from one factory/week. basically 252 is still better. If you are too lazy to convert factories/levels of structures to max masteries then 243 is the lazy and the difference isn't something to worry about.

[@Kaburagi536]

2-4-3 for me as the balance base setup,since I manage to level up all building on left side,I also need to upgrade all building on right side(Except for level 1 training room),including leveling up some of the dormitory to level 2 or 3 at least,that is when 3 power plants in level 3 max comes in handy.

[@Kaburagi536]

That is for early and mid game base setup,but once reach to late game after a few month gameplay,it can be consider to upgrade the remain building on right and center when got remain power plant consume gauge.

[@andrewkeith192]

2-5-2 is obviously best since you can make a large shaft and balls across the entire base. Jokes aside though, what I really want to know is why the factories produce gold to exchange for lmd. Rhodes Island is a pharmaceutical company, why don't the factories actually produce drugs to exchange for LMD?

[@angeles13th]

To really convince me that 2-5-2 is better than 2-4-3, it need to prove with best practice of these 2 setup, like using best base skill, best rotation possible even if it is very complicate or hard to maintain. This will surely prove which one is better in theory. Or an easy example like R.I.I.C. reports, but not 1 or 3 days, should be above one week and should not cheating by use OP to boost the productivity. Math will surely proof which one is better. Thank for this video anyway. I'm also manage my base many times a day to maximizing my 2-4-3 base. Surely I can't do that perfectly, but do it as much as I can afford.

[@im_zagamer5751]

I use 1-5-3, the quality of life of having a maxed base at lvl 120 is something I don’t think I could give up

[@halley_lu]

As a 252 appreciator I'm glad that this topic was covered in sufficient depth. Although it did get me wondering - has anyone thought of the following hypothetical scenario: If a layout like 162 was possible, could it be more efficient than 252? I would guess no because you would have to commit sanity heavily to farm CE-5, while only gaining marginal benefits from the extra EXP.

[@kukkikaze]

Most likely not, there won’t be enough factory operators to maintain 6 factories.

[@manofculture3638]

I would change to 2-5-2, but I have Office and Reception room maxed, it's just not enough production efficiency to justify the change bcz I have a lot of those 3-op combos and I rotate them frequently and use Fiametta. Hypergryph PLEASE let us downgrade right side of the base, the pain of not having an optimal setup is agonizing

[@peterdenov4898]

The solution is to rotate factories once you stockpile on gold.

[@asatat7410]

Great vid! I miss min-maxing base :D Reaching endgame, now I just don't care. I'm just an orundum farming meta-slave using 3-3-3. I just produce all gold when I'm out of orirock cubes or devices and just farm exp from events. It works since I only raise 1 meta operator to e2lv90 every 2-3months. LMD never goes below 1M and Exp never goes below 200 strategic; 1k each for tactical, frontilne, drill battle records.

[@arzt4405]

Yeah , additional 10 pulls per month. Definitely worth it.

[@asatat7410]

definitely especially when meta/broken/limited operators are only released two-three times a year ;) very easy to get them all

[@iwowowl1654]

I think I’ll keep 243, I find that the trust gain is massive(3 to 6 percent) on the main RIIC unit. I might consider switching when my ops have more trust

[@sharpbamboo7672]

How do you have so many gold bars running 2-4-3? I always run out in the end of the month

[@Xcerft]

I believe in the future, 2-4-3 will be more efficient and is the true endgame option, because with each new operator, we will get a better combo with time, a 3 and higher operator combo will of course be better than a 2 operator combo. Following HG's trend we can see that operator combos that give a high output efficiency work best when all 3 slots are synergized instead of 2 even when factoring proportionality, because of cc operators. Base update is going to decide what happens.

[@kukkikaze]

Funnily when you say ‘trend’, the latest operators added to the game, Mlynar and Proviso say otherwise about making 2-4-3 better.

[@kukkikaze]

I think the more likely future is a potential downgrading of Office/Reception Room. This would enhance the 2-5-2 base even further by allowing for more Level 3 factories. It’s only a matter of when at this point

[@Xcerft]

@@kukkikaze I'll wait for your next arkpedia video to argue further

[@Xcerft]

@@kukkikaze NOT THE YELLOW CERTS...

[@DylansLappalterCopium]

everytime HG tries to buff 243 with baseskills, they unintentionally also buff 252. The only feasible way HG could make 243 better than 252 is to add more exodia combos like with Eunectes and Rosmontis/Mr.Nothing and/or making more valuable use of Dormitory levels like with Archetto without clogging up the CC too much (perfect rosmontis combo takes up 3 CC slots for example). at which point its just waay too hard for players that dont have the specific ops + e2 them to make it worth going for perfect 243 rotations

[@lockydowny]

I think I'll stick with 3-3-3. I've been doing pretty well with that formation. 2 factories are always on gold and 1 is always on exp or orundum

[@kukkikaze]

You're doing well when you can do even better. It's just shortchanging yourself

[@MajorJak]

Wooo, new Arkpedia! At my endgame lvl now, I think the trust you get + aesthetic is the most important to me now so I'll go with 2-4-3. If I was a newer player tho then yea going 2-5-2 does seem better to get you if you need them resources.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

I'm committed to 2-4-3 at this point. You can't downgrade right-side facilities and I didn't know that before I maxed my base levels. To be fair, in my early days of Arknights I refreshed my tags for Recruitment a lot. Now, I never bother refreshing tags because I have an insane excess of recruitment tickets so I just use 1-hour tickets to "refresh" (I have 652 recruitment tickets right now). It's fine, though. All I do is periodically switch one of my factories from gold to exp tickets when I hit a nice buffer amount that will last me a while (for me, that's around 300 stocked gold bars). When it looks like I'm just about to run out of gold bars (after about 2 weeks), I switch it back to gold until I hit my buffer amount again. I spend pretty much all my drones on EXP ticket production. I'm swimming in LMD (I just E2'd Mostima and Dusk, leveled them both to E2 lvl 60, and got their modules and still have 2m LMD), and at this point I can E2 every op that comes out day one AND still have spare LMD to raise extra ops if I feel like it, or get modules on release. Keep in mind, I have every character in the game + R6S for perfectly optimized base personnel rotations for my dormitories. I also log in multiple times a day because I'm obsessed with this game. So I can understand why some people would prefer 2-5-2. But I'm fine with how my base is and I never have issues with EXP or LMD with the way I currently manage my base.

[@kukkikaze]

Please don't use recruitment tickets at 1 hour unless you're farming robots. Always set it to 7hr 40mins minimum to get a tagless 5 star chance.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

@@kukkikaze All my 4 and 5 star units are max pot (except Purestream) and I have over 400 gold certs. I think I'm fine, man. Like I said, I use them to refresh my tags, not because I need particular units. I only bother doing longer times if particularly good tags come up. Given the extremely low rate on 5 stars (less than 1 in 200), trying to aim for them without guaranteed tags is literally a waste of LMD.

[@kukkikaze]

@@Spectacular_Insanity But you're shortchanging yourself on green certs on top of gold certs by doing that (because you opened up the possibility of getting 1* and 2*, it's not about getting the 5* here). Unless you insist you have enough, you know sure well many people will say even 100000 green certs and 10000 gold certs is not enough.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

@@kukkikaze That depends on the mats I need if I'm running low and don't want to farm. But if we're talking about trying to get 3*/4* units, then 3hr 50m is enough. And people that horde that many certs are stupid. What's the point of having that many if you never use them? It's like people that have 5k gold bars but never use their drones on the trading post. I have several hundred green certs at any given time, even after clearing out the T1 cert shop. I use them to grab mats that I need for planned upgrades, masteries, and modules, but no more. I calculate and pre-farm my operator materials before operators release, but I'm not going to obsess over hording materials like that. That's just silly.

[@kukkikaze]

@@Spectacular_Insanity I don’t mean having those numbers of certs as a means to hoard, I mean it as a means to spend. If I use my analogy to your situation, I’m saying people who have 7hr 40mins tagless recruitments can be having 100000 green certs to spend, while you’re behind on 70000-80000 because you allowed for 2* and 1* to be recruited. 2* gives only 2 green certs. 3* gives 10 green certs. Already an uptake of 5x. I don’t really see what’s so hard to understand about this that you have to disagree upon. You can continue your ways but I’m also hoping you’re doing it being aware that you’ve shortchanged yourself rather badly.

[@orpsehiefdersadist3777]

if only hypergryph has options to notify players when their factory/trading post has no production going on(heck there isnt even any warning or exclamation sign when your clue orders are full ) and when all the ops in a dorm has full morale so managing base rotations would be easier and im using the 2/4/3 setup but i have no issues with LMD and exp cards, in fact i have an excessive amount of it so idk if im doing anything weird in my base haha but i do know that i have to alternate 1 TP with 1 factory depending on my gold amount

[@bimchik]

And then you want e2lv90 a 6* operator and your 2kk lmd is gone

[@orpsehiefdersadist3777]

@@bimchik yep i dont have any maxed lvled e2

[@randx1075]

Finally, the wait has ended...i was just about to manage my base

[@shadymodnation5781]

kukkikaze, what about keeping ops with Dorm skills in Dormitories to make exhausted operators return to work faster? I keep a pair of operators with the skills "all operators recover +.1, etc." and an operator with the skill "an operator recovers .55 (.etc.) faster" in each dorm. I rotate "soon to be exhausted" operators once each day, but not at the same time so they take turns to take advantage of the "an operator recovers .55 morale skill". There has to be an account of how fast you return your ops with the best skills to work vs those that don't. My best operators with the best base skills don't spend more than 3 hours outside of work.

[@kukkikaze]

What is your question regarding? I understand what you are saying, I know dorm skills exist, but is this about whether 2-4-3 can be better than 2-5-2 in certain circumstances? My answer to that is no. You can essentially perform the same dorm skills on the 2-5-2. There is a tiny difference in efficiency between 2-4-3 and 2-5-2 in the best versions of the two. But I can tell you most players will have a hard time understanding how to reach the optimal of the optimal base strategies for both layouts. Because of that, 2-5-2 is a lot easier to execute higher efficiency more often. 2-4-3 needs a lot more care if you actually want to make it surpass 2-5-2. If you give no damn about efficiency, 2-4-3 is easier to manage while giving less. If you want a heated competition of who produces the best, 2-4-3 needs more work.

[@shadymodnation5781]

@@kukkikaze My impression is that you are doing a series on base efficiency so I was asking what about effective usage of dorms and operators who restore morale for working operators faster. I was asking about your take on returning operators with the best skills as soon as possible back to work and its effect on base efficiency.

[@kukkikaze]

I don’t understand what kind of take you’re expecting. Because I’m not giving an opinion now am I, it’s completely logical to use dormitory skills to fulfil faster rotations no matter what your base layout is. I don’t understand what I’m answering here at all. Do I think they’re cool? Do I think they are effective? Do I think they should be used more? I’m pretty lost here

[@shadymodnation5781]

@@kukkikaze Oh ok, I think I understand the situation. I was talking about what other series you could do about base efficiency. I am not arguing against something you said here. I was thinking that perhaps you could consider a video in a base efficiency series about all the ways you could throw your efficiency or part of your base efficiency to the trash, as you hinted in this video when you said the numbers not always tell the whole story. Perhaps a take on the things you could do to harm your efficiency would make for a great video and in it, your take on the usage of operators with dorm skills.

[@isacat9547]

@@shadymodnation5781 I think the gist of what you want to ask is if there's more in-depth explanations about dorm recovery skills? It really isn't that deep tho. Put one "recover all" skill type (eg. Durin) and one "recover per op" skill type (eg. Shining) into the dorm then fill it up with low morale ops and wait for the recharge. E1 Podenco who has both skills by herself is the best dorm healer. They can only heal faster if the low morale ops that you put in also have a self recovery skill too I guess, but there's not really much other than just putting in those dorm healers with the highest healing numbers and making sure your dorm ambience is at the capped level. If you're cycling your working ops every 12hs, just 1 dorm healer (regardless which healing type skill they're using) will be able to recover everyone in time. Even the most hyper efficient 243 min maxed perfect combos only needs to cycle out their ops every 6hs. If you're tight on cycling out ops, that really means you have a lack of ops to cycle around with in the first place and the way to resolve that is really to get more ops to include in the cycle.

[@joeym9732]

I've switched between 3-3-3 and 1-5-3 every couple of months since probably Hellagods debut. Got 83 e2's and 90 m3's (mostly 6 and 5*s). My reasoning was that I never wanted to touch exp and lmd stages. Seeing this at this point makes me a little scared to try it, since I feel so used to my scuffed process lol. Wish you were making vids at the beginning kukki

[@user-zu8dw1ox1q]

Thanks for the help:)

[@monoq_]

Thank you so much for covering this topic. I'm a veteran player but still to this day never tried 2-5-2 base layout because I don't understand the math about it. I usually do 2-4-3, 1-5-3 or 3-3-3 depending on what I need but now I will give 2-5-2 a try.

[@anthonyngan382]

It's actually insane how people default to their own narrow personal experience over any reasoning from what I can see in the comments. Ok you can stick with 243 or whatever but understand you're shooting yourself massively in the foot. 243 better drones copium better trust copium better friend credits copium less micromanagement copium I actually am baffled how most people don't believe in hard numbers done by people who are invested in the topic

[@angeles13th]

They just give you the result but not show the proof. It's not wrong if people still don't believe it. The information I can find about 2-5-2 right now are still old and not update. My base alone and my extreme case calculation is out do that old calculation by far. It's need to compared with extreme case 2-5-2 to see how better 2-5-2 is.

[@anthonyngan382]

@NEO Channel iirc optimal 243 (Optimal, virtually 0 people have both the ops and care enough to do optimal) only beats out max right optimal 252, 15 or 14 slots 252 should beat optimal 243 quite comfortably. Since almost noone does optimal, 252 should just be better Most base ops have been better for 252 than 243 lately, future extending the difference However ignore all that for now, for the purpose of most players who don't care too much about base and don't build ops for base skills and combos. 252 have way more value than 243 for that extra factory productivity. Dorm management isn't even difficult with 252, it's only the knowledge gap/counter intuition that put people off. 12/12h rotation isn't even a requirement, there's plenty of hours for leeway ~2h. Even if you're off by 4 or 5 hours you're not missing much in terms of productivity. For the extent of a base building guide video, pursuing how an optimal 243 running 6h rotations with optimal combos being comparable to a 252 is I think ill intended. Not a single 243 commenter here that's sticking with their setup other than you care about efficiency, and that's fine! It takes front loaded effort on their end. I too imagine some people content with working minimal wage and saying they're fine with that. Terribly sorry for the long rant, just blowing off some steam to be perfectly honest as most people won't change. I guess it's my fault hoping the average person cared more.

[@_The_God_King_]

Finally!! I just started a couple weeks back and havent done much with my base since it seems to be controversial. I was just looking for this vid earlier in the day too

[@Foxfiend]

I never felt the need for extra exp with 2-4-3. I always run out of lmd, very often I don't even have enough lmd to use all my exp. It is extremely rare for me to grind the exp stage. Not sure what to grind? I just get more lmd because I will never have enough lmd. With more drones I can burn away my extra gold very very quickly by boosting lmd production. The whole thing worked just fine for me so far. I have almost everyone E2 for me with rest are E1 max. I seriously do not need extra exp. What 2-4-3 makes is way more then enough.

[@PeterYR]

You'll be happy to hear that 252 can also be configured to focus more on LMD, beating out 243 again. Try dumping all drones into the trading posts, while alternating your extra factory between EXP and gold.

[@adamriley9241]

If they gave me an option to reorient the layout of my base I'd die happy. Factory Factory Power Post Post Power Factory Factory Power. Just let me shuffle the Posts and bottom Factories places...

[@kukkikaze]

you can just orientate it yourself by deconstructing and reconstructing. It's a hassle, but I doubt they'll ever let free-shuffle be a feature (to maintain the idea of building and demolishing something)

[@revolesto4151]

2-4-3 user here. I think I've been doing my base rotations horribly wrong this entire time. I've been swapping out a single room at a time every 3 to 4 hours, with each operator going in their own dorm to take advantage of the dorm buffers such as: Durin/Saileach (+2.5 morale to all / +0.7 to one) Ambriel/Shining (+2 all / +0.7.5 to one) Siege/Podenco (+2 all / +0.65 to one) I swap them out when they're at about ¼ morale left, and very rarely if EVER let them go fully fatigued. It's probably really efficient, but damn is it tedious as hell. Been doing this every single day ever since I started playing almost 2 years ago. After typing all that out, I think I've realized I may have an unhealthy obsession with the base...

[@remiseterna]

Kukki just saying I’ve already watched this guide maybe 2 to 3 times. I just want to mention when your next episode for the operators layout for the base and best combos, which is what I’m assuming you are working on next, when you do make that one if this isn’t already part of your plan, add on like specific rotations and best time to put them in and change them out for maximum efficiency. If you do add that to the video it would be actually wonderful because I still can’t figure out what I’m reading with half of these operators. Just a suggestion. And now because of arkive or whatever I have to rework my base back to 2-5-2. But thank you for all these amazing guides you make.

[@mhLee971]

I think one more important information that can be included to prove that 2-5-2 is better than 2-4-3 is by showing the max productivity you could attained for 2-4-3 and min productivity for 2-5-2. Assuming that a 2-4-3 will be using rosmontis and vermeil combo, both the factory could get productivity of 1+1.72 (only achievable in CN currently) and 1+1.06, totalling up to 4.78. 2-5-2 with operators that could only provides 0.15 productivity will achieve 1+0.45, 1+0.3 and 1+0.3, totalling up to 4.05. Considering that we are comparing the best possible scenario of 2-4-3 (100% uptime is impossible) and worst possible scenario of 2-5-2 (100% uptime is possible, and most players would have better operators to slot in for EXP productivity), we can easily see that a moderate 2-5-2 can easily be on par with the best 2-4-3 and it barely requires any investment in E2 operators. Not forgetting to mention that rosmontis is kinda hard to get now. And of course I am no base expert so feel free to correct me if I am wrong on any of the information.

[@angeles13th]

I like your idea but a bit different. It should be compared with both max productivity. It will surely proof 2-5-2 is better.

[@tortoise-chan]

@@angeles13th Frankly, the math has been done and overdone. I don't believe I can post links in the comments but if you search for it, you will find that there are a number of extremely in depth spreadsheets that take as many factors as possible into account and tabulate the total productivity of a number of layouts, including 2-4-3 and 2-5-2. For example if you are really interested, Kukki linked to PeterYR's channel in his pinned comment. He has a video on base setups, and the description of that video has a link to one such spreadsheet. (sorry to send you on a treasure hunt for it but again links probably don't work in the comments)

[@angeles13th]

@@tortoise-chan I think I already look at all those. But maybe they already update with current operators in global server. I will look at it again

[@TokkanRAM]

Hmmm, I just set my factories to 3 EXP/1 gold when I have a large surplus of gold. And one time when I had like 6 million LMD I temporarily switched to 1/5/3.

[@STREEEEEET]

I started the game less than 3 months ago ( 100% F2P ) and i quickly realized i needed maximum efficiency on my base so i sacrificed Operator development to focus on getting every unit i had with a good base skill to E1. It was painful to spend all i had to upgrade units i would never use just for the base but it paid off. I have been E2'ing operators left and right now with 2-5-2 layout and i barely farm gold or EXP. I do occasionally convert OP to stamina. Texas is next, i just need my base to produce about 80k now. She'll be my 10th E2 ( ling, eyja, aak, sora, ptilopsis, sesa, blue posion, angelina, myrtle )

[@Elem156]

There're 2 main reason why i go 243 layout: 1. Im a filthy casual and lazy 2. Fully base upgraded. Balance passive income. Low management especially when you are a busy person. Ofc despite it lack of efficiency. But surely its enough to help your ops strong enough to clear stages

[@exar44]

Silence is Best Girl

[@darkdude1996ify]

I tried 2-5-2 for a while, but it's just not for me. My login times are very irregular, and somehow I always managed to check whenever all the operators in the dorm were still at 15-20 morale and it started to get on my nerves very quickly. It also made me realize how many amazing base skills I'd been using that relied on facility count or facility level, or relied on having specific other ops in the same facility, that could all of a sudden no longer be used. In the end I switched back to 2-4-3, and my OCD and mild annoyance were appeased and I'm happy again.

[@titusderfunfte674]

Before watching this video I had a 1-5-3 Base, because I didn't know you could choose between trading-post / factory / power plant ...

[@zalkif1868]

I like your funny words magic man

[@yuperstrikes7358]

Man, all I want is a qol change where you can swap in 1 click

[@kevtan4186]

hm.., with 2-4-3 formation, i usually short on gold. which force me to somtimes buy gold from shop. i don't use drone to fast forward the lmd trading post, but i used it to fast forward the exp production. I log in about twice a day. And my combination is usually (SA - Cliff - Jaye) + (Mel - orchid - snowsant, don't ask why xD) and (exu - texas - lap) + (shamare - tequila - kafka). Did I do something wrong?

[@DylansLappalterCopium]

since youre running short on gold, I'd say the problem is rather in the Gold production than trading post, and looking at the trading post combos it looks like youre doing pretty well there, assuming your Jaye is e1+ and youre putting Gnosis into Trading post when SA-Cliff-Jaye are working. if you have Fiametta, I'd consider using her to keep both Shamare and Tequila working 24/7 while switching Kafka and Bibeak with eachother, that way you can benefit from the best TP combo 24/7 and eliminate the need for Mel-orchid-snowsant and run exu-lapp-tex and SA-Cliff-Jaye in the other TP. Also i'd suggest looking into youre gold production combos

[@kevtan4186]

@@DylansLappalterCopium thank you. Yeah, i think i'll look into gold production more. Because right now i just put anything that seems to work haha xD

[@OhHeyItIsNano]

I'm in a bit of a weird Situation considering I run 2-5-2 on CN and 2-4-3 on EN. 🤣

[@luckyuu6932]

2:47 sounds like rap to me

[@brooktheskeleton3973]

I've been playing Arknights almost since released, which means more than 2 years I believe. I'm using a 252 base formation and I find it more efficient to use than 243. However, this formation is suuuuuper expensive to gain its full potential. There's Dusk and Ling combo, where there's a branch for it for the first 12 hours and the last 12 hours. The first 12 hours would be Mr. Nothing and Mulberry, Mr. Nothing at 70% by himself at the TP where Mulberry is in the office. The last 12 hours is Ebenholz and Rosmontis combo, and I'm not explaining to you everything from there. This Dusk and Ling combo needed THREE LIMITED OPERATORS. I repeat, THREE LIMITED OPERATORS. I was lucky that I've got a hand of those operators, and I'm F2P! And not only that, there's TP combos like Shamare and Tequila combo (94%), Pozyemka combo (167% with 4 factories producing Pure Gold), the whitebluered combo (107%), the sushiman and iceman combo (132% I believe? They will gradually reduce by time) and many more in the future that you needed to know. Proviso TP lvl 2 combo for example (which is super good for 252 base), not only it's money efficient, it makes you have 2 lvl 3 factories and 3 lvl 2 factories. Which means, you can farm EXP with 2 lvl 3 factories and 1 lvl 2 factory instead of 1 lvl 3 factory and 2 lvl 2 factories in the future! And oh my friend, I'm still not done explaining to you. What about Factories combo? Weedy and Godsengger combo? Bubble combo? Vermeil combo? Abyssal Hunters combo? Penius Syltestis combo? The Rosmontis combo with Ling and Dusk in CC (Their sanity must be below 12), Whisperain in office, Iris and Czerny in Dorm and Obenholz in TP?!?? And then there's Reception room combo. In the future Mylnar will join to spice things up a bit to help with CC. Like dude, there's so many that you needed to do and the fact that my brain able to do this routine every day every 12 hours without noticing how complex it is, is quite insane. But seriously, it's a bit easier to understand if you do it, but you HAVE to be suuuuper rich with LMD. It's better for you to build powerful operators first BEFORE doing this if you're not that smart. But if you do, then start calculating. GL to all doctors new to this game. Take it slow, but follow it with pace. Try to be smart to solve the problems that you faced. Sooner or later, you'll like this game. And I assure you, it's worth it in the end.

[@DylansLappalterCopium]

but, you dont need to get the full potential of 252 to surpass 243 Quite the opposite, 243 requires way more managing to compete against a *decent* 252 setup (also you usually dont try to manage Dusk and Lings morale to accomodate for Mr. Nothing *and* Rosmontis... you just pick which one you wanna use and run with that one. Also Ling and Dusks buffs dont both affect Ros or Nothing at the same time if you put them in together. For the first 12 Morale, Dusk buffs Ros and Ling buffs Nothing, this switches afterewards. if you really wanted to maximize Dusk and Ling, you'd have both 12 morale apart from eachother and Fia the one whose morale is reaching 0 after every 12 hours while having either Ros' or Nothing's remaining combo pieces in for 12h at a time. Also try making a rotation sheet.

[@orirockcube761]

I'm using 2-5-2 now and suffering from gold deficiency, so I had to use 3 lv 3 factories to produce gold and 2 lv3 factories to produce exp (1 of my TP is lv 2 for Proviso combo). Maybe the Shamare combo is too gold consuming

[@Maruno2333]

Hey. Is going for more efficient 2-5-2 bases worth not upgrading reception room to lvl 3 and therefore not finishing the pinboard missions?

[@zachwithnok]

Someone asking the real questions. I want Texas lol

[@DylansLappalterCopium]

if you really, and I mean REALLY, want Texas. upgrading your base is an option. but just keep in mind that it will permanently decrease your base's output by a bit (dont worry 252 will still be better than 243). Also Texas is pretty common to get from offbanners and also recruitment.

[@zachwithnok]

@@DylansLappalterCopium Even if you only get 2 recruit slots?

[@foxtroll6631]

Just to add Given by the amount of exp and lmd produced by a 2-5-2 layout, it can also help me be at ease when farming materials to rank up skills and focus more on putting masteries on my operators. As soon as I finished reaching M3 of, let's say Ling S3, I can right away use the lmd and exp on my next target operator, and even if I'm short with lmd and exp after using everything on that operator, I'll be using fewer amounts of sanity because the target operator have reached a level close to promoting E2. So yeah, even if you're not constantly spamming LS-5 or CE-5, remember that you get over 40k-50k lmd per day, and by the time that your operator have reached E2 lvl 30 (or lvl 60 for module) with a skill mastery of level 3, you can right away use that pile of lmd and exp to hit E1 lvl 50 or 60 (or what your lmd and exp can do), compared to 2-4-3 that can either only focus on exp, or lmd, not balanced as you expect. This is all based on my experience starting from returning to arknights since I've used 2-4-3 before I left the game, and honestly, if it'll only take me to log in twice to the game just to get 50k lmd and a handful of exp that will help me focus more on farming rocks and mastery materials, then why not?

[@maomao2623]

i use 243 because i already have a dream comp plus 252 restricted you in a few ways also, sure it have 1 more factory but a good base can overcome that initial while 243 also have better lmd production as they can acces stuff like archetto. the problem is what stage are that player account in rn so i totaly agree that 252 is better in general. if you want to see 243 minmax hell look like, then read more if dont then DONT. this is only the main combo i know there maybe some shinanigans that can be even better. Control center: 1)Dusk 2) Ling ( balance out dusk) Total 10 sensory info 3)Eunect( acces to her engine) 4)Sail (cary whisperain) 5)Amiya( 5% boost) Trade: 1st) total of 90% with better money request(it just shamare combo with extra benefit) 1)Ebenz +50% (and give 20 sensory info) 2)Archetto +40% ( base dorm max lv) 3)proviso( better trade quality, this girl can be make perma with fia base skill). 2nd)total of 155% gold production combo( pozy +4 for every durin, kirara+2 for every 2, 2 basic of 243 so in total 12 gold production line) 1)Pozy +60% ( 5% per 1 line) 2)Kirara +5% 3)Tuye +90% (15% for 2 line) Factory: 1st) 140% eunect engine( i wont go indept on this cus its a small engine) 1)Weedy 2)Pass 3)Pure stream 2nd)total +170% *if we use the full combo there is a total of 100 sensory info 1)Rosmontis + 100% (give 20 sensory info) 2)Waiifu+40% 3)Any 30% 3rd) 1)Minimalist +40% (and a durin) 2) filter unit* 3) filter unit* Dorm: Max durin, iris and the shield guy for +10 sensory info Headhunting: whisp for 20 sensory info. Note: one power station need lancet. Rest: There is 22 unit need to rest and get to work at the same time ( the iris and durin unit dont need rest) so we cant really do it at once => the minimalist combo have 2 blank spot so you can only care about him that is why i mark the other 2 as filter. There is another factory and 2 power station but they can work different shift so just put whoever you want. Rotation option? The combo work like a huge batch so you will need a lot of unit to cover it but try the best combo that you can (i really dont want to make a rotation team, its just genosis combo and a few extra thing but no). this can work for a day and rest 8h so you dont really need to care about time to rotate stuff as your dorm will be empty most of the time. Pro: that is some huge ass number, a normal 3 unit comp get like 70%~90% and the fact that we can almost double it with ros base alone is dumb and 9/10 stuff in your base will have these number. Cons: your will bleed, and will cry. That is some absurd number of e2 and rare unit for event day 1 player( i know cus im one, i planned every unit in this let alone the e2). and the base need to be 243. * there is a few unit in this you want to notice. -Ros and eben is the core of this, sure ros can work it alone but we eben turn it into stupid lv (you will need a while to recover form specalter so the comp life and die by this point plus ros is limited). -Pozy is great but you need 2 other 5* e2 and remember to put durin in base ( i will forgor so dont be like me) -The eunect engine need 3 e2 6*( i dont need to say more). for comparison the 252 extra base slot get +160% (1 form the base it self and 2 30% unit) if we run max number dorm but it also cut down form the other fac too so its more like a halfbake + 830% total ( if every unit have 30% which is not) the comp i propose have like 900% if the filter are also 30%, The not max number of dorm 252 will pass this easy with max power but they are nowhere able of substain that, plus without the power of drone and m3 it can affected overall efficient.

[@angeles13th]

How about the global server? Do you think 2-4-3 is still better than 2-5-2?

[@maomao2623]

@@angeles13th it depend too much on your roster to actually answer that question but i think 2 5 2 is better for 99% of the player, the strat i give out is cancer as hell to make( i literally built 90% of this before knowing how absurd its). plus the thing that make a break through isnt lmd its the factory, now 243 still relatively worse than 252 in this department ( which is kukki entire video) and it can only break through with ros and eben so without them you better of doing 252.

[@angeles13th]

@@maomao2623 I can say I have all best base skill available in global server right now except for workshop and reception room. I hope I can be that 1%.

[@wellh3ck516]

I have a 2-4-3 which I now know is inefficient but I have 2 gold factories and 2 exp cards but when I have a surplus of gold I switch to 3 exp gen for a bit till I am out of gold

[@knszzz1]

A question here, in "252" base setup, if I cannot afford rotate my base twice due to work schedule (in weekends I can rotate my base twice) everyday, is it better if I stay with "243" setup?

[@kukkikaze]

Great question, next episode I promise to answer you. I thought of putting it here, but I’m afraid it’ll confuse people.

[@randomsheep7844]

Time to see what I've been doing wrong in the capitalism part of AK

[@isacat9547]

Imagine not putting your ops on slave labour smh.

[@CheztaAhmad]

I wanna put my experience here as 2-4-3 base player. (2 factories gold, 2 factories exp) The amount of Gold i get is actually less than the amount of Gold i spent (to convert into LMD) per month. This is likely due to I use drones in my trading post whenever possible. However, every month we have shop rotation in which we got alot of gold from it. If the cycle is correct, it will provide me with enough gold to sustain the whole month with 2-4-3. Usually on the reset i have 200+ golds, then at the end of the month I have 20 ish golds. Even down to 1 digit sometimes (when Shamare combo gives alot of 4s). I do occasionally turn one of my gold factories into rock farming factory when i have leftover rocks. But because i also turn my trading post into orundum, it doesnt affect the input-output flow of my golds. At one point where i too busy to play and lost alot of golds bcs capped, i turn 3v1 for gold vs exp on my factories. I think 2-4-3 is my preferred base setup with how often i login into the game (around 2-3 times per day)

[@AtomicKnilz]

Kukki can you send the Link for the Google Spreadsheet about Operator Base Skill Comps that you showed in your Twitch Stream 4 days ago (Grinding Candles and Reading News)? Ty in advance

[@rainzerdesu]

Dang wish I found this before I messed around with my base. Being unable to downgrade right side sucks

[@tiaanmoller1508]

Really helpful video Kukki!

[@fowatchingvideosonly]

I use 2-4-3, I have 2 factories for gold and 2 factories for exp. I use one of my exp factory when I craft originium shards. I just spam my drones on trading posts to drain my pure gold supply and it will add up again when I use one of my trading posts for orundums. And also no issues with my login times as I login every 4-5 hours to spend my sanity & swap out operators. With my base I don't feel that I need to overly farm exp cards because I just use e2 level 60 operators.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

243 because I'm not micromanaging lol. Two changes a day is very easy. Also, 252 isn't necessary because I'm in no rush to max all operators when I only need a few.

[@ImortelDJ]

interesting, from this video, i guess the main selling point of the 2-5-2 is the huge exp production, the lmd is the same due to 2 TP, maybe slightly more on the 2-4-3 side due to the extra drones. the rotation doesn t really matter to me, 2-4-3 or 2-5-2, i m lazy and probably won t change my rotation no matter the base. i have myself a 2-4-3 base because i wanted to complete the campaign missions, the cost to max out the base is 500k, i ll never get it back but i won t switch to 2-5-2 for a simple reason, i have a huge lmd issue and a lot of extra exp so the main selling point of extra exp really doesn t feel apealing in my case. i m always wondering how people run out of exp and not lmd. if one day i get the opposite problem, extra lmd but no exp, i ll switch to 2-5-2, but as of now i don t see that happening.

[@kukkikaze]

2-5-2 can also give more LMD. I just didn't talk about it in the video. You can use the third factory as gold production and dump your drones hard on trading posts. That way, you'd be getting an additional over 10000 LMD in a day.

[@angeles13th]

You can solve this problem by using drone constantly on factory that producing battle record. Sure, drones are best use on Tequila team anyway.

[@ImortelDJ]

i see, i m already going full drones on tp but run out of gold within the second half of the month, i guess going full tp with 3 gold factory on a 2-5-2 will get better results. thank you for your answer.

[@kukkikaze]

@@ImortelDJ the lack of LMD issue isn’t something to be solved by the base alone. The base can help you to no longer need to farm LS stages ever if built properly. But CE stages can’t be something to run away from because of the sheer amount of things in the game needing it. If you are low on LMD, you will need to dedicate sanity to CE stages.

[@ImortelDJ]

i feared this, there is already so much to farm and i dodged CE stages for too long. it hurts. * heard about a 6th stage in the future, i ll probably wait for it*

[@DarkSideCreon]

If i follow this, i can't finish the board mission to get texas right?

[@TerryBradstreet]

You say that 2-4-3 produces too much Pure Gold, but ever since I put Shamare, Tequila, and Bibeak/Kafka in the Trading Post and starting putting all of my drones there to maximize them, my base doesn't produce enough Pure Gold. And that's with Purestream, Weedy, Eunectes, Minimalist, Gravel, and Waai Fu working together. I check my base at least every 6 hours and use powerful three- or four-man team combos, and I always seem to have as much LMD and Battle Records as I need, without ever farming Supply Stages. I might have gone 2-5-2 if I'd known to not fully upgrade the right side of my base, and I could run more level-3 factories with fewer power plants.

[@antorchowdhury9996]

You should pair Shamare E2 with Rope and Steward to maximize gold production and lower morale consumption. Adding bibeak and shamare together gives almost no efficiency (like 1.05 percent).

[@DylansLappalterCopium]

ofc you run out of gold when you drone LMD lol

[@Silentconsumer]

You mentioned 243 makes more gold than required and 252 is short. That lets you flip another factory to exp I run 3 tier 3 exp factories for most of the month.

[@kukkikaze]

It does let you flip. The thing is, the overall efficiency on 2-5-2 still beats 2-4-3 entirely. I didn't want to go too deep into math in this video. I used to be a 2-4-3 player like you, flipping my gold into EXP, but it's only when I study this more that I learn, 2-5-2 just gives much more.

[@winteriscoming4407]

kookie could you share about operator stationary in the base and combo & rotation?

[@DisIngRaM]

Can someone tell me the difference between doing 252 in 24-hour rotation instead of the 12-hour rotation. How far better is the 12-hour rotation compared to 24-hour rotation? I'm doing 2-5-2, but rotate every 24 hours. My Upgraded operator might not be optimal for the base, so I could hardly tell the difference. And What operator is Optimal to build for the base? Currently, I don't see the point of 12-hour rotation, since the % bonus looks pretty much the same in my case.

[@DylansLappalterCopium]

12h rotations allow your better base skills to be up for more time than with 24h rotations because you can have your best team run for 2 12h shifts, then rest for 1 12h shift and repeat. giving them an uptime of 2/3 while 24h rotations will have your best teams run for 24h and rest for another 24h making their uptime only 1/2. Also since your teams are running for 2 shifts instead of one you can rest only part of your base at once and allows for staggered rotation (PeterYR has a video about that) which can further minimize the use of less optimal base skills. Thus increasing the production even more. The point of having shorter shifts for operators is to maximize the uptime of your best base skills and thus increasing the overall production

[@jaeger1123]

Love how like a quarter of comments are "I've started with 243 and I'm not going to change because I'm lazy" if you've been playing for a long time you easily have the resources to rebuild your base in a matter of minutes so what kinda excuse is that?

[@zerogalaxy2735]

Bud, if people are fine with using a 243 layout then let them be. Yeh they get that 252 is better, but in the end it comes down to their own preference.

[@jaeger1123]

@@zerogalaxy2735 I am talking abt them not changing due to laziness, in the end what u do idc, u can go and farm lmd in 0-1 for all I care, but laziness is just not a good objection

[@winteriscoming4407]

13:05 kookie so where is the video of operator combo & rotation that you promised that you want to make? we need it

[@Tairo47]

I'm so used to the 243 combo, that i don't know if i should change it now. Pain

[@ottobismarck8543]

Thanks for the info, now let me return to my 3-3-3, as i've been farming orundum since Ling banner

[@davidfonseca3517]

i cant downgrad my recpetion and office or training room i had them had them all maxed out

[@celanon8460]

Hi! Would you consider doing a review of the other branches that you left out of the first episode? I really wanna learn more about the other branches and their uses and niches.

[@laby1827]

I have a 2-4-3 but my right side is maxed, an the game won't let me downgard it :/ so I'm stuck with 2-4-3

[@kohakuviii6594]

Kuki when will you release ep5?

[@alan0996]

2-4-3 enjoyer I always login at least 3x every day so i can use all my drone efficiently to produce lmd/exp faster, and ofc 3 SU slots