Base Unit Battle! Rover P6 vs Citroen DS: Part One, Walkaround

[@b.2221]

This is you earning your crust, and as far as I am concerned it is what you are all about. Two beautiful historically important vehicle's explained for car lovers at every level 👍 Tam.

[@furiousdriving]

I can confirm there is a separate indicator and hazard relay - handy if one fails during the MOT, as once one has been tested you can swap them in the car park and go back for the retest!

[@mr-wx3lv]

That Brown rover is drop dead gorgeous, would love that as a second car ...

[@shebbs1]

Me too, but prefer a 2200SC, almost as fast, far more economical, in red. Leather and a manual. Oh well, can dream.

[@cariza5]

@@shebbs1 the citreon is more beautiful

[@liverpoolscottish6430]

@@shebbs1 The 2200 is nowhere near as quick as a 3500S. A 3500 auto will spank a manual 2200.

[@DavidDavid-kl4ru]

The obvious quality of that Rover demonstrates how well the brand could have competeted and even possibly dominated the area of the market now associated with the German Marques.

[@tridaks]

A tough decision between these two, but I'd go Citroen because everybody loves to hate them! The DS really is a beautiful car to look at.

[@keithmatthews1673]

I've never heard of anyone hating the DS even if the French have caused us little but trouble since 1066 :-)

[@tridaks]

@@keithmatthews1673 Yeah, Badly worded perhaps, really meant that in general people dismiss French cars as a whole, and particularly Citroens because they dont understand their alleged "complexity".

[@cornishhh]

I'd go for the Citroen because the seats are absolutely fantastic.

[@olik136]

there is a German saying "avoid cars starting with the letter F- Fiat, Ford and French......" but even we love the DS :)

[@rafthejaf8789]

@@keithmatthews1673 Me neither. I owned one once and everywhere I went people loved it.

[@titanus49]

That spring loaded mechanism at 6:21on the Citroen is the control mechanism for the outer headlights. Its attached to a cable which goes all the way to the inside of the boot,where there is an anti roll bar to control the level of the outer headlights,on undulating roads . To make sure the outer headlights are always level regardless of the front angle of the car. By the way ,the engine is mounted backwards to allow the gearbox to be at the front of the car,and the camshaft is the hardest working camshaft on any car ever made,not only does it open and close the head valves, it also drives everything else. The water pump,the alternator,the hydraulic pump,the distributor. The engineering of these cars is like no other car ever made past and present.

[@coopdivi]

Eet iz French, m'sieu, zat iz why!

[@normandiebryant6989]

Also, when you go over a crest, the outer headlights dip slightly so you can still see. Unfortunately, because of the angled glass, a lot of the low/high beam light is just reflected internally.

[@chrisridethatbloodything2044]

This height control of the front lights was needed because the back of the car went down when accelaerating. A simple and good working solution.

[@canwadma]

I used to have beautiful examples of both these cars. A Citroen Ds23efi Auto 1975. And a Rover P6 3500 Auto 1975. Both wonderful cars. I miss these beauties.

[@lucythemoggy1970]

my P6 was same colour but a 2000sc with a 2200sc engine fitted. KYW 422K. loved that car. lovely horn note too

[@paulg8730]

I passed my driving test in my dad's 2000TC. Damn, that's just reminded me how old i am. I still remember how well it handled for a big car and the excellent ride quality.

[@torresalex]

Absolutely top notch, Mr. Hubnut. I am a massice Citroen fanboy and I couldn't imagine how a P6 could ever compare to a DS but after this video I've changed my mind somewhat. That switchgear in the P6 is positively scrumptious! AND this one of the very few videos out there I've seen with a proper tour of the interior of a DS, and some great narration. That's what I really like about Hubnut, it breaks that stupid mold television has made us think is the right way to portray cars, i.e., some presenter just blabbing incessantly with some beauty shots of the car. On Hubnut we get to see the cars as someone who owns them would experience them. Every button pushed, every stalk pulled and prodded, every light lit. Love it!!!

[@seanoneillsongs]

My Dyane was my Monday to Saturday workhorse and, in 1977 I spent months looking for a car for my wife to drop the kids to school in and give us a bit of luxury for any drives at the weekend. I particularly want a Rover P5 Coupe - what a beautiful cat that was - but eventually found a P6 V8 for a reasonable price and in good nick, a ‘72. It was a mustard colour, not my favourite but the price was right. It saved my bacon when there was a fuel crisis. While most filling stations rationed the petrol and limited what you could buy so they could sell their supply over a few days, a local station got their weeks ration on a Sunday night and opened at 8am Monday and closed again by lunchtime - first come, first served. I would drive the Rover down and join the queue at about 10 on Sunday, sleep in the car and fill up on Monday morning. Running my own business and needing to travel 5-800 miles a week, for the sake of a couple of nasty mouthfuls of petrol, I had fuel for the workhorse and she’d enough for the school run. When we eventually sold it - for what we paid, the 1300 Toledo we got to replace..... well that was a tragedy I’ll never forget. Keep them videos coming.

[@kjh789az]

Massive P6 nostalgia burst ...girlfriend 's dad courageously let us drive his Rover around the lanes one memorable summer. Thanks!

[@avtomad722]

I never really considered these two cars as being similar, but now you have pointed out the many similarities I have to agree. Great post, thank you!

[@caileanshields4545]

This is you at your very best, Ian: explaining in exqusite detail two iconic cars and two I never thought had so much in common despite being so very different. Eagerly looking forward to Part 2! :)

[@roverchap]

Two fabulous cars there, Ian. If you visit the P6 prototype 'T4' in the Gaydon museum you can see how the front end styling was originally even more like the DS. P6 was the first car to have disc brakes all round, inboard at the back. You are right about the hazard flasher - it does for some reason run off a different unit to the indicators! Equipped with an LT77 5-speed gearbox from an SD1 the V8s make awesome modern day motorway cars. I drove 60000miles in an P6 3500S with the 5-speed conversion. A superb, fast, and technically advanced car aimed at the 30-something executive of the 1960s. Sadly lumbered today with an old-man image rather like its descendant, the 75. Pipe smokers welcome. Hard to believe that the DS dates from 1955 - it's astonishingly modern. A good one now is frighteningly expensive. The only drawback is that you simply have to take up smoking (Gitanes or Gauloises Disque Bleu) to look right driving one. French cars have now completely lost their wonderful style and quirkiness. Looking forward to your drive out in these two beauties.

[@johnnorth9355]

Childhood memories of the DS 's blasting past my fathers old Hillman Minx on French Autoroutes with their loping stride as the suspension worked it's magic mean that as much as I admire the P6 the DS takes the prize every time :).

[@russcattell955i]

Yes, my dad & his business partner used to drive to Marseille in a brand new Cortina 1.6 XL for trade fairs. painful in the Ford. The Renault 16's (like his own TS) and DS's would just breeze by. The SM's would out do even those, with a whoosh like a low flying jet fighter. But the only sound was the Fiamm air horns !

[@richardsmith2879]

The DS safety structure inspired the Rover, and this was admitted at the time. The Rover was a handsome conventional car, the Citroen was sublime. Nothing has come close to it in design and engineering terms since it was launched I’m afraid. Electronics and rust proofing have improved, that’s it. Car testers in the seventies decided that handling was the supreme achievement for all cars, so now we have very hard riding uncomfortable cars from Germany, and not much else. I remember taking both a DS and an SM along a country lane at speed and driving onto the overgrown verge, with its hidden drains and gullys. There was no sensation inside the cars that anything about the road surface had changed. Bliss. Oh, the DS was intended to have a six cylinder air cooled flat six, that’s why it had the long nose. Citroen couldn’t afford to develop one and so used the old four from the Light Fifteen. Just watched this, so, sorry...

[@lightningleaf23]

Ridiculous reviews of cars really. The vast majority of people want a comfortable reliable car to go to work and go on holiday in. Yet as you say the ability to corner at speed and heel and toe seems to be more important for the reviewers.

[@yokiniqu]

I couldn't agree that the P6 was a conventional car, especially not for Rover. When you have to work on maintaining them some times wish parts off the design were more conventional. Engine was originally intended to be gas turbine, hence unusual front suspension, horizontal springs as opposed to vertical. I think with the P6, it may 'look' more conventional, however, numerous mechanical aspects of the car are not, and these are the things you don't see on the surface.

[@volvo480]

My dad had a 1972 DS 23 Pallas with manual 5-speed gearbox. I remember the plush seats, which were even softer and more luxurious than these! I also remember heaps of electrical problems and theft of body parts, because they were so neatly bolted on the frame underneath, they could be bolted off in a moment... Though he sold the car in 1979 because you could see the tiny fuel gauge moving while driving (he wanted a frugal car so badly, he traded it in for a Renault 4!), the license plate is still active and even has valid APK (Dutch MOT). Years later he bought a Citroën C5 just because he wanted a car with hydropneumatic suspension again.

[@metricstormtrooper]

Rear seatbelts were required in Australia at that time. The bolt is for the old type baby seat mount.

[@GrumpyTim]

Only just caught up with this video - two of my favourite cars - always fancied getting a P6 to restore but never quite got round to it. As for the DS, they're just soooooo lovely - a friend had one that they'd restored and they drove us down to Sandown Park for a kit car show - they just make me smile. Great video Mr HubNut

[@promerops]

Until the first BMW 3-series appeared, the P6 was known as the world's only four door two seater. Still, lovely car!

[@marcusfox2443]

You can tell the Aussie videos by how bright the sunlight is even in TAS ,hi from Townsville QLD

[@robbrady4649]

Thanks for all the great content during this difficult time, Ian.

[@mel20004]

Love the side light tell tail on the p6 ....

[@MrSportster12]

Thanks for another great video. I'm no expert but would never have guessed those two cars had so many similarities.

[@Le_Rennais]

1974 was the last year of its production for the DS

[@neilwalsh4058]

I'd never in a million years have seen these 2 as a basis for a comparison test. To me they've always seemed poles apart, solid quality British middle class transport with a hint of panache versus super comfy French eccentricity packed with gimmicks and driven by surly people who don't fix their own cars. Then I watched this video and the parallels are there for all to see. All bolt off panels, some lovely design cues, wafting courtesy of clever off the wall suspension and both cars you cannot resist from taking a long admiring look at. An excellent idea few would have even dreamt of putting these two together. Well done indeed that man👍

[@grayfool]

Superb, two of my all time favs. Oddly just yesterday, I asked Ed at Twin Cam to list his money no object top five cars. He chose both of these, as did I, We also both said that we would love an EV converted DS. Spooky, or just good taste! So the Rover has all the woofle, and Ian has all the waffle. Sorry, couldn't resist that Ian. 😍😍😍

[@gosportjamie]

It's quite amazing how two vehicles conceived from the same basic design ethos can be so amazingly different. I've always liked the P6 very much, stemming from my father having a series 1 2000TC back when they could be bought for pocket change. I was always a bit ambivalent about the DS/ID as I started my working career at a time when hydraulic Citroens were still around in numbers, often in appalling states of decrepitude so seeing one outside the garage always meant big trouble for someone, but I've grown a much better appreciation for them over time. A lot of the engineering in them is incredibly clever, while, being a Citroen from the period, some of it is just all out eye-swivelling lunacy... It is certainly impossible to imagine any company trying to create anything even vaguely similar nowadays, sadly...

[@adampoll4977]

"...how similar these two cars are. Both have the wipers tucked..." First point of comparison - means I know I have the right channel ;) LOVE the colour of that DS - the interior is gorgeous!

[@paulstandeven8572]

The Rover P6 has lots of really good and innovative detail engineering. The dashboard was designed with crash safety in mind, and the two below-dash cubby holes were designed for knee protection. It was very early face level ventilation, on both sides. The seat recliners had a wheel and friction discs, so that the seat back could gently move backwards in the event of a rear impact - much safer than a fixed seat. And so on.....

[@iandann6196]

I had a 74 3.5 auto and in that colour... The model you are reviewing has power steering... only ps cars had those steering wheels.. the little white knob on the LHS of the steering column is the delay control on the intermittent wipe and was pneumatically controlled.

[@caw25sha]

16:09 Sitting in the back of the D - a big hit for Otis Redding.

[@mattw8332]

What a stunning pair of cars. The Citroën is my favourite and I would love to have a go in one. However I remember decaying P6s were a common sight growing up in the 1980s on a council estate. I remember one having the spare wheel on the boot.

[@petergouldbourn2312]

Feature rover P6 V8 and I’ll always watch whoever is presenting it. Thanks for a very good video. Pete UK

[@jamessalt13]

Love this. Pretty much my 2 favourite cars ever, side by side! Can't wait to see them on the road.

[@aussiebloke609]

Don't worry about details like De Dion suspension not really being independent. If one wants to be _completely_ accurate, no suspension system that incorporates a swaybar is independent, either (since the whole point to swaybars is to let one wheel's movement affect the wheel adjacent to it) - and that doesn't leave all that many in the list. :-)

[@hugobloemers4425]

Interesting way of looking at the P6, I never thought about the link to the DS (I always looked on it as the vintage equivalent of the BMW 5 series). So all in all this was quite an educational video for me, thanks. What is also new to me was the Flat 6engine concept for the DS a la Chevrolet Corvair I guess, which could have given it the power it deserved. (Porsche engine mod anyone? That could be fun). I could add one more semblance to those two cars: They both represent the pinnacle of engineering prowess of either make.

[@alanhynd7886]

Citroen did have a go at a hot DS. The Citroen Maserati MS. I saw one once, surprised they never gained popularity.

[@mikem1186]

My father had few of ds Citroen through my childhood, they were even made in my old country "Yugoslavia"we called them "ajkula"which translates shark.if I could find one i would buy it,they are almost non existent here in the USA.i love this video.

[@Ricketik65]

Two beautiful pieces of engineering! I actually owned their successors, the CX and SD1, but wouldn't say no to either of these!

[@carlmitchell9958]

Love both cars, but for me I'd want the Rover. I had a tobacco leaf Rover 2000tc in the seventys, but always wanted the 3500s. Thanks for posting.

[@heikkiremes5661]

The De Dion rear of the P6 made me remember my old Volvo 360, which I had to sell. I miss her dearly. :(

[@shaunw9270]

I love that DS ! I like the Rover too ,used to own a 2.3 Auto but the V8 is where it's at with a P6.

[@senitnelav]

Those two parked together look like an old married couple

[@robholloway6829]

Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor looks.

[@dandandan389]

Both absolutely gorgeous cars in very different ways, I would love a P6 V8 in wafty autobox spec.

[@PaulinesPastimes]

Gosh, how could you choose between them. The paint and roof colour of the Rover is delicious and the Citroen is beautiful too. What a great test. Cheers.

[@notrut]

DS shape has never been bettered ... but the engineering is DIRE. Imagine starting afresh with a straight SIX and RWD ... Great video HubNut.

[@HubNut]

Citroen hasn't had any interest in RWD since the early 1930s...

[@flemingpandel5287]

Seems like you'd be more interested in a 5 series BMW.

[@notrut]

@@HubNut I know ... although some of the Hybrid types drive the rear axle.

[@notrut]

@@flemingpandel5287 Nah ... boxy motorway bully stima.

[@darrensmith6999]

Saw the Rover Gas Turbine at the Austin Rover Syan Park Heritage Museum in London back in 1985 . I think the P6 bonnet an boot was aluminum. Nice one Hub Nut (:

[@Shane_Marsh]

Smashed it Mr Seabrook, a thorough show n tell of both models we rarely see. Can you imagine how different the world would be if the p6 did get the turbine and the ds did get the flat 6 ?. Stuff of dreams. Stay safe Ian.

[@EmilePoelman]

My eyes are watering seeing those 2 beauties. As is my mouth....

[@Mortimer50145]

The National Motor Museum at Gaydon near Banbury used to have a cutaway Rover P6 on display without the front wings, and this showed very clearly the boomerang arm and the horizontal spring. I spent ages looking at it and thinking what a neat solution it was.

[@coopdivi]

I've always thought the Citroen was a brilliant piece of design -- it still looks futuristic 65 years after its launch -- but I do miss my P6B auto in white with red leather upholstery..... (snuffles sadly into handkerchief).

[@anviltech1839]

My grandfather used to run his Hillman Hunter on five star petrol. Great pair of classics there..

[@richardbaron7106]

I'm sure the French tried very hard to 'out-quirk' each other - 40 years later and the Rover P6 still looks a smart car, especially in V8 trim.

[@2Truth2you]

Italian design.

[@rafthejaf8789]

What's your point?

[@pecospest]

@@2Truth2you no way ! You are probably confused , the italian design was the Triumph 2000 , by Michelotti , the P6 was totally an in-house design.

[@overtaxed3628]

Citroen DS is known worldwide and Rover P6 is known only in UK, New Zeland and Australia.

[@TheMentalblockrock]

I'd never thought that the Rover P6 and Citroen DS had so much in common.

[@scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain]

P6 for me, having seen one in the flesh recently I think it's a Stunning car.

[@TheMRmadhatt]

Lots of cars have a light that say stop on them which you can ignore. However when the stop light comes on in a Citroen DS/CX/BX/XM Xantia etc. You stop or you quickly find the ability to do so rapidly disappears

[@HubNut]

True enough. It's only happened to me once, and that was on a BX with 305,000 miles on it (blew the front to rear pipe).

[@aston-martin-internationalist]

Part 2 required! Part 1 ended too soon but that was because I was enjoying it so much! Absolutely adore the DS. Quite fond of the P6, but there's something so graceful and elegant about the DS a truly wonderful design.

[@icascone]

I never thought these might be "related". Very insightful!

[@hugobloemers4425]

Forwarded this video to a DS owner who promptly video called me to demonstrate that the DS has a very impressive claxon. If you pull the leaver slightly, you get the 2 CV sound but if you pull it further you get a multiple tone horn. I asked if that was an option and he told me it is standard on all DS-es (What is plural for DS any way). His DS is a '71 semi automatic and it was present at the 50 year jubilee in Paris.

[@faithlesshound5621]

I had forgotten about the multi-tone horns that boy racers used to have. They were banned in the UK decades ago. Only the emergency services are allowed to have two-tone horns now.

[@richardyarwood2747]

My head says the Rover, my heart goes for the Citroen - those trumpet indicators, and the colour is fab 😍

[@Mortimer50145]

I have fond memories of getting a lift to school in a friend's dad's Rover P6 3500 automatic, with something orchestral and rousing playing on the 8-track stereo. The upholstery was ribbed velour, and even through trousers was inclined to leave ribbed marks on the backs of your thighs. I was alway glad when it was his dad taking us, because his mum had a tinny Skoda 105 which always smelled of puke (my friend's sister had a little car-sickness problem) and its seats had the hardest plastic piping I've ever seen. Being a rear-engine, it had a very long and therefore very notchy gear-change mechanism. Between a Rover P6 and a Skoda 105 - no contest!

[@chrisridethatbloodything2044]

Thank you for bringing back some memories. I have owned 2 DS's (1974 DSuper5 and later a 1967 DS Pallas) and a P6 V8. Both models have their own characteristics or "personalities". Cars of that era where much more different then todays models. For me the DS was the more agile car. The big car always felt light and easy to drive. More fun on roads than on highways. The P6 was stronger and not so noisy inside. But with the big engine far in the front there was a lot of understear. A great car for long distances.

[@liverpoolscottish6430]

The DS is a masterpiece of French engineering genius. It heavily influenced the sublime P6, both cars are very well engineered, and they were years ahead of their time. Two all time greats. Great video!

[@banpowel9784]

The most comfortable of cars, and so much nicer to drive than modern cars, my friend took the classic car route and bought a rover, instead of an expensive pcp, or hp, finance packaged car. One year later and he is in love with his rover, and depreciation??? Plus 700 pounds ( so his rover is making money ) and that beats losing thousands in depreciation on new cars, plus the rarity and fun factor.

[@GrrMeister]

*I had a 'Powder Blue' DS19 early 60's and loved it to bits, one feature I don't think you mentioned was that the front seats folded back perfectly flat, to make a very comfortable double bed. The one I had was upholstered in Velour Material. Did many miles in Europe in it. Found the maximum height setting useful a couple of times going through floods that no other car could have managed.*

[@coldwarmotors]

Great stuff! Both cars are terrific; each one showing their makers at the top of their games. I am partial to the DS, of course, but the P6 is a car I would be happy to own... Looking forward to the test drives!

[@Rjhs001]

Looking forward to the driving comparison. I think from a driver's perspective the Rover will romp home but from a passenger's, it may be a different story.

[@Sedan57Chevy]

While the Citroen is rare here in the states, that Rover is something the vast majority of car people haven't even heard of! Love them both, but that Rover just oozes early 70s awesome.

[@frothe42]

True! Rover is such a rarity here in the US 🇺🇸, the P6, SD1 and the 800 (which we got as the Sterling).

[@mrt4248]

@@frothe42 But french car are rarity in the US: us gov did everything to avoid importation french cars. For example for the Citroen SM (or DS): The SM was equipped for the United States with round headlights because a law of 1937 prohibited mobile and faired headlights. Very noted for its unique design, the SM won the prize for the best car of the year 1972 issued by the magazine Motor Trend, unknown for a foreign vehicle until then. Despite the initial success, sales in the United States suddenly stopped because if Citroën expected an exemption for 1974 from the bumper height regulations imposed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, this exemption did not ultimately not granted: the variable height suspension of the SM made homologation impossible. While delirious low suspension riders are no problem !!

[@frothe42]

@@mrt4248 I remember our next door neighbor had a Citroën DS and a Renault Dauphine fifty years ago! I remember most imports, with the exception of VW, did not sell well here. EVERYONE needed a full-size car. I remember the loaner car when our 1970 Ford Country Sedan rear window stopped working; it was a Ford Pinto. And we jammed six people into that small car! Yes, five of us were small children, but still...............

[@mrt4248]

@@frothe42 VW a full-size car? LOL try to drive a Vw combi or beetle !! DS is a full-size car but is right it is not a V8 engine. EVERYONE not needed a full-size car...60 years later lot of american buy " european small standard -size "... I agree that the Americans want, and are used to wanting everything huge: big vehicle big engine, and it is difficult to change lifestyle ... consumer desires are not identical to other countries. A large American vehicle is not suitable in Europe for example, except for driving straight on a highway. The Citroen DS responded to American desires (nicknamed in France "the queen of the motorway") and to European desires because effective on small roads. But its development was slowed down by requests for American legal standards and its underpowering, that a too hight selling price in the US. If the Citroen DS was not a fabulous car (like many old American cars that I love for their great looking), it would not have 1,330,755 sells only in France (France: + or - 50 million people in 1970). in my opinion and objectively it is the vehicle of the century because of its technical, aesthetic, safety innovations, and less pollution at the time with its "small" engine. No other car has reached this level. It is only my opinion Have a nice day

[@frothe42]

@@mrt4248 You misinterpreted my statement; most in the US wanted full-size vehicles, which sold well for decades. VW, which sold the Beetle, Super Beetle and other small vehicles, were sold successfully here in the US. Citroën, and other French auto companies, did not do as well. I am well aware of the history of Citroën and other manufacturers, but I am stating facts of auto sales here in the US 🇺🇸. We have safety restrictions just like the EU and the UK had restrictions on headlamps, tri-colour taillamps, rear fog lamps, etc., which put US vehicles at a disadvantage. I also find it peculiar that some feel that a Peugeot 505 is a large car; here in the US we would consider this to be at least a compact. Even the redesigned full-size vehicles GM premiered in 1976-77 were the same size as their mid-size vehicles before they were downsized! Now, it is about space utilization, comfort within a smaller size. I never had the pleasure of riding a Citroën, I would love to, as well as some classic British motorcars like Rover.

[@timbre7999]

Great comparison and very interesting to see that although the DS is stunningly beautiful (has been my cardream since childhood), the P6 offers such a brilliant allround package with a more useful and even nicer to look at interior in my opinion.

[@huwdavies6650]

Two beautiful cars that are a lot alike, yet so different from one another.

[@mrt4248]

in my opinion you must be blind

[@huwdavies6650]

You have no soul!

[@nicksss1843]

Call me crazy, but I’d take the Mexico Brown P6 over the DS!

[@Blueymaniac]

You ARE crazy

[@GeorgeSPAMTindle]

14:38 You need to have separate relays for indicators and for hazard lights, because you need different capacitors for each function. Four bulbs have twice the resistance of two bulbs, so you need a different capacitor to maintain the same rate of flashing. It is early, my RCL knowledge is rusty, hopefully someone more awake and knowledgeable than me will explain it a bit better than I just have.

[@bryanlatimer-davies1222]

Cars of this era may use a hot wire flasher the current for the lights passes through a wire that heats up, expands, and switches off until it cools reconnects and repeats the cycle. A bulb fail changes the current and therefore the flashing rate. Maybe not on the P6 but it was very common in this era.

[@GeorgeSPAMTindle]

@@bryanlatimer-davies1222 Are these wires of which you speak wound in a coil by any chance?

[@bryanlatimer-davies1222]

@@GeorgeSPAMTindle From memory the coil is for the electromagnetic clicker (audible warning), the delay element is just a single hot wire. The cold resistance of a single bulb is just low enough for one pulse of the clicker, giving rise to the one click and fast flash when one fails. Again that's from memory but I hope it helps.

[@GeorgeSPAMTindle]

@@bryanlatimer-davies1222 Thanks for giving me a much needed laugh in these times of isolation. I think your knowledge of electrical circuitry leaves some room for improvement. At least you have studied circuit diagrams and thought about it though, so good for you. The 'electromagnetic clicker' of which you speak is actually the relay which makes and breaks the circuit, the fact that it clicks is just a bonus which gives an audible warning.

[@GeorgeSPAMTindle]

@@bryanlatimer-davies1222 This guy explains relays quite well:- kzbin.info/www/bejne/npfGhpqkfLiXrbs

[@one.of.two1969]

The P6 rover was the first car i drive with my twin we was 18 and it was my dad's car still love the P6 to day

[@phillipsharpe6459]

Had the 4 cylinder p6 many years ago, fond memories, 😁👍

[@kim007250]

That was indeed very joyus ,Keep em coming ...looking forward to the in depth driving characteristics of both.

[@arrowvisit]

My dad had a 2000TC when I was a kid, I think the gear stick on ours was shorter with a different rubber boot. Great video

[@youzzername]

I had a Series 1, 1969 2000 TC and yes, the shifter was about half the length of the one on this car. I loved that car but always dreamed of owning a 3500 ...and/or a Citroen SM.

[@arrowvisit]

@@youzzername I'm pretty sure ours was a series 2 - mustard yellow with black leather interior - our next door neighbour had a slightly newer white 3500 and i was jealous of the amazing sound it made. We went from the Rover to a Lancis Beta 2000 which had the world's longest gear stick and it rusted away pretty quickly!

[@AJB1]

2 great cars which I'd never thought of as being at all similar. But now that you mention it...!! They've also both got inboard brakes at the driven end, if I remember correctly?

[@HubNut]

Oh yes! Missed that point.

[@simonhaycocks]

I love those P6 rovers and that one is in knockout condition, even the brown looks ok all these years later, prefer the deep red they used to come in iirc. The citroen was a laughing stock to me as a kid in the 70's and has only recently become a car i really admire. I watched car sos last night doing a 2cv and found myself questioning why i'd disliked them so much all these years (don't tell Ellie) How age changes tastes!

[@flemmingsorensen5470]

Cracking video about cracking cars😉👍 Two of my three all time favourite cars - only the NSU Ro80 is missing out😉 Cars from back, when nothing seemed impossible!

[@nikmwh]

As always, a great video; two great cars!

[@timhancock6626]

I love them both, but I think I can say that if they launched the Rover today it would still be contemporary in looks and concept . With the De Dion rear and quirky front suspension, weight and cost were a Rover bugbear (though De Dion is a quality setup). I always felt the Rover SD1 went too downmarket. What can you say about the DS...brilliant, bonkers, needed a decent lighter engine. Those are lovely examples, just lovely.

[@chrisskelhorn5727]

I really enjoyed that! Thank you! :-) Just thinking of a flat-six, air-cooled engine, or even an eight, would mean either the intrusion to the passenger compartment would be unacceptable, or they'd have to rethink the gearboxes, but a flat -6 or -8 would be mind-blowing! And a hatchback variant would be awesome! :-)

[@maxgreece1]

Yet again 2 favorites in a single episode. Last time it was 2 presenters, this time 2 cars. They both look immaculate as well - the cars that is, lol.

[@bigred8438]

Love both these cars and the model previous to the DS and ID. But prefer the Rover in many respects because of the punchy 3.5 litre engine.

[@mrt4248]

for this i prefer a n american muscle car or a sport car

[@crttft9203]

Fantastic video and commentary - many thanks indeed.

[@CastleAdam]

Awesome walk around of these; two of my favourite cars. Looking forward to the driving episode. Thanks!

[@paulyandle1286]

And Thank You, Hobnut, for this informative enjoyable comparison.

[@pecospest]

David Bache was obviously inspired by the DS. Some people call the P6 the "Solihull Sitroen" . Both cars were very advanced for their time. If you are the kind of person who loves one of them , you invariably love the other too.

[@icascone]

Amazing to see in the looks these cares can manage to look quite different whilst at same time being so the same!!

[@daniellee9015]

Brilliant video Ian both beautiful cars I can kind of guess which is the no1 favorite same as me can't wait to see test drive

[@emjayay]

Some writer years ago wrote that after over a decade with the face lift to the front of the DS including the four headlights under glass covers it finally looked right. This one is pretty awesome - great color and great upholstery. I wonder if the upholstery is the same or similar to the original or what was offered at the time. Might have been. Back then I saw both an air conditioned DS and a Renault 16, both with similar drive train layouts. Since the engine protrusion is where you would bolt a hang-on AC unit under the dashboard, the same kind of unit was mounted vertically on the back of the engine protrusion where the radio is in this example, with some sort of angled box on the top to get the face plate/air outlet vents angled up. That DS was owned by friends in Phoenix AZ and they didn't mention any issues with it. But it was the earlier type, and certainly the extra weight and compressor drag on the engine couldn't have helped. Either car, really.

[@peterriggall620]

Re.the upholstery. This is actually the third set of upholstery in this car. Originally it was peacock blue velour. This clashed with the outside colour so the previous owner reupholstered it in a lighter blue velour. When I bought the car this was starting to get tatty so I had the option of getting an original upholstery set from Europe or go my own way. I decided to go my own way and just picked what I thought would look good with the outside colour but I wanted something a bit 'striking'. to make a statement. Non-standard but I am happy with it. Thanks for your interest.

[@bulwinkle]

I had thr DS's descendant the CX for a couple of years. I really liked it, it felt like driving your living room around.

[@Drpepper99uk]

I'd go with the DS anyday!! Beautiful car, well engineered, true classic 👍🏻

[@ray-wm7yd]

They look even more alike in the photos of rover p6 turbine prototype model google "rover p6 turbine"

[@I-T-S-M-E]

It's does indeed, just googled!!

[@andynix8718]

Your fucking blind.

[@craigpests_channel]

I remember watching this video 2 years ago as a 15 year old thinking is never be able to buy a DS. Somehow I got one at age 17. Dream car.

[@jemma_19988]

Love that!! I was your age when I decided I would like to have one also However it took me thirty years till I bought a mint example last year here in New Zealand !!

[@Mercmad]

The Canadians at Cold War Motors are great ans of Citroens, Scott,the host has a few DS's including a station wagon and I think, Four SM's .He is a genius panel beater who has done some amazing things on his channel. One thing i learned on his channel was that SM's can be pumped up by hooking up a cordless drill to the suspension pump .😁😁 Yes the P6 auto's were assembled in NZ.. I had one in a lovely shade of computer beige. It's engine ended up in a Mercedes Finny.

[@akie64]

Wow two stunning examples of two beautiful cars. Love the colours too.

[@micheltebraake7915]

Another nice piece of history lesson from Ian.

[@leeduncan3000]

Interesting cars. I think 85-87 Mitsubishi Galant has a passing resemblance to that Rover P6. I think Japanese have used British cars for design ideas.