privacy or protection?

[@0xSingularity]

It's interesting how many people say they don't care that these big companies are collecting all their data, yet if they are given the option to opt out of the data collection they will choose to every single time.

[@BenjaminWheeler0510]

I feel like an overwhelming majority of people do not opt out because they don't care. In fact I believe that most people explicitly opt in (e.g., accepting website cookies, accepting terms of service and privacy policy) because it's convenient.

[@doom9603]

Most people just click on "save all", because they actually don't care. Especially mid-aged people, who are not aware of the dangers, as they didn't understand the Snowden leaks or didn't pay attention to it. That's why the EU banned opt-out, we always use double-opt in and the US GDPR is moving towards us.

[@Seacle14]

There's a difference between 'not minding' and 'loving it'.

[@johanngambolputty5351]

If you "have nothing to hide" then do you have curtains on your home? Frosted windows on your bathroom? Wear clothes in public? What are you hiding there, and what is the sinister reason for it? But its not just about privacy, its undue access. It's not just letting a stranger look into your home, its letting a stranger have physical access inside your home, untended, and just trusting that they wont abuse their access. I'm thinking about proprietary operating systems here, or IoT devices...

[@bashbunni]

Oh totally!!

[@durchschnittlich]

I really like this format! It's really interesting to see you learn about it and then have a discussion with the chat about it

[@marble_wraith]

Privacy is an expression of choice. Choice is a tennant of freedom. Therefore if you support freedom you must support privacy.

[@doom9603]

exaclty.

[@mentalmarvin]

Ow but the thing about Paypal is that I don't have to store card information anywhere else

[@fuzedcable5612]

This question surpasses technological privacy vs protection. It’s freedom vs surveillance, state power vs the individual, the apparatus vs the person-this is not a new question. It’s an age old philosophical question regarding hermeneutics and state power. How do we lead ourselves? Or, rather, how do we organize people?

[@frmcf]

Surely if there are five countries in it, that makes ten eyes? Unless they are like cyclops countries... or pirates.

[@ForeverZer0]

Oh, don't worry, there is also the "Fives Eyes Plus", "Six Eyes", "Ten Eyes", and "Fourteen Eyes" in addition to many other alliances that don't have such clever "eye" names. All to ensure that we are all super "secure".

[@doom9603]

@@ForeverZer0 sadly, as we are now in wartimes those security alliance keeping you safe from foreign intervention and murder. Yes, the measures are invasive and they're probably not consistent with civil liberties but they have their purpose - though they need to be strictly monitored and bound to law.

[@ForeverZer0]

@@doom9603 I disagree that they provide security in any way. Call be cynical, but i am not naive enough to believe that they are anything but a means for government to encroach on civil liberties. I have yet to see a single example, historical or otherwise, regardless of country, where this did not hold true.

[@Proxyone444]

Awesome eyes

[@fuzedcable5612]

More fitting question: freedom or protection?

[@ForeverZer0]

The one that gives up one for the other will end up with neither.

[@doom9603]

Self-controlling the own's (personal) data flow is freedom.

[@reimarpb]

you are reading that on a proprietary web browser

[@RaresCelTare]

11:15 kagi, startpage, brave search, give better results than ddg 13:16 techlore and the hated one for shorter videos firewalls don't stop dragons and surveillance report for podcasts

[@OetziOfficial]

Great Video! ❤

[@lpanebr]

I strongly believe that we live in a world were we simply have very little privacy and that's something that most citizens can't do anything about it.

[@ForeverZer0]

I agree, the internet is simply not usable without sacrificing your privacy somewhere. Whether that be your ISP, browser, search engine, sites you will visit, or placing your whole trust in a VPN and its policies and laws of the host country, the sacrifice needs to be made somewhere.

[@doom9603]

just saying it's not private yet doesn't mean we shouldn't make it more private. However, the agencies still need tools to do their job and they will always need to find "doors" in a house full of doors. And if those doors are not exploited or closed by our services, they're used by our enemies. Simple is that.

[@ForeverZer0]

@@doom9603 Can you explain, using real-world examples if possible, how the government being able to monitor your internet traffic (via another country where your protections don't exist) at will keeps you safe? Was there something wrong with the “due process of law” that we used to use, or are you conflating that and/or mistakenly believe these are the same thing and abide by the same standard?

[@doom9603]

​@@ForeverZer0 First of all, they monitor every country in the world using the internet exchange nodes in a country. There are two mechanisms that are used. First of all live filtering. The traffic is lowly and deeply analyzed live for specific selectors e.g. Ips, E-Mails, specific IP information etc. Then there's the storing of almost all information for a few days and metadata for a few years. This ensures that if someone gets written on the Terrorlist that those individuals can be tracked in future intelligence collection and analysis. So bascially if there Hamas boys login at some computer, the NSA can decrypt their communications or disrupt them OR they can sound out the Uncle Sam / the company boys/girls to mess up their terrorist camp. Another one was the murder by Indian intelligence offiicals of some (in indian eyes) "terrorist" on US and Canadian soil, which can be investigated using those collections. Just one of those examples.

[@doom9603]

​@@ForeverZer0As for "due process of law" our democratic nations are bound to democratic and laws of freedom. They gurantee civil liberties or fundemental rights, also under UN human rights aspects. However, sadly not all countries like Russia and the US are fully commited to play a benefical role in the UN.

[@werren894]

so that is what journalist always struggling with? an eyes alliance?

[@doom9603]

a 20 eye spider with 200 legs, trying to eat you alive yup