Basic Introduction to Anti-Xeno Combat - Tutorial/Guide

In this video we will explain the capabilities and mechanics of Thargoid Interceptors , combat locations and ship building considerations.
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[@pukalo]

An important thing to note regarding the beam laser is DO NOT USE IT WHILE ALSO USING YOUR GAUSS CANNONS. The additional distributor draw from the laser will make your ship's heat rise much faster.

[@Citizen_Kate]

excellent point pukalo as i have met a few CMDRs who try this. I have mentioned it in my cold orbiting video but definately worth mentioning here too, thanks :)

[@zacharymekhi1224]

i know im randomly asking but does someone know a trick to log back into an instagram account..? I somehow forgot the login password. I would appreciate any tricks you can offer me!

[@wlageg9460]

Bruh thats where thermal vent comes in

[@margotrosendorn6371]

Appreciate the guide! I'm a terrible combat pilot, but with Stargoids approaching the bubble I'm preparing to fight if needed.

[@danbreakout]

This is very good. I'm starting to prepare for AX combat, and your videos are helping me a lot. Thanks.

[@starcrushergaming9810]

I am just engineering my chieftain and im using your videos as my Bible wish me luck!

[@Citizen_Kate]

good luck on your AX adventure :) it is a very rewarding path

[@jaylileon8147]

Thank you for all this. It is a fantastic platform of reference you got here. Much appreciated.

[@leslieviljoen]

Wow, the level of ship customisation and knowledge needed to fight Thargoids is off the charts. I wish I could save and load module layouts but as it is I think I will just need to buy xeno specific ships if I want to fight them.

[@halopunk6625]

The one person whos life was so sad they had to dislike this informative video

[@mitchelllenn9196]

Now 2

[@joshuawhite3886]

Thargoid lovers those 2 dislikers.

[@Daniel-pu6yk]

Maybe those people disliked accidentally

[@doommaker4000]

Probably just people watching from Australia

[@RobAllenB]

These guides are more important now than ever.

[@JayT546]

Damn solid guide. I just finnished engineering my chieftain the other day and finally got kill my first cyclops. I was even able to survive in an AX CZ until I accidentally blew up one of the NPCs.

[@johnnydrinkall5869]

Thank you, I'm about to dip my toe into anti xeno combat and this has helped massively. Great works cmdrs.

[@Datan0de]

I've killed a couple dozen interceptors, and read the entire AXI guide, and I still learned several things from this video. Thank you!

[@marcus_electric]

Just got my first Cyclops kill thanks to this vid. Flew home on fire but its a start! Cheers! 👍o7

[@valkash7441]

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, I keep coming back to this guide to figure out all the intricacies of goid' combat!

[@cmdrjontomasson5510]

A great video as always. Thsnks again. I thoroughly agree with the advice on the xeno scanner, given at the end of the video. For me, I really needed it to hone my flak launcher skills against the thargon swarm. I'll be holding on to it for a while yet until my technique is better. For people beginning their AX journey, after watching this, I would really recommend watch the cold orbiting guide. It is excellent and has insights not found in other guides that I have seen.

[@zeanomourph1]

Now this is one hell of an informative video. A friend of mine (same guy that originally got me into this game over 4 years ago) called me up on discord 2 days ago out of the blue and asked me to come bug hunting with him, neither of us have ever done it before or had any clue what we were doing. All he told me was I need "a lot of hull", and that's basically it. I took a python with nothing but hull reinforcements in the opt. int, he brought a corvette. Needless to say, we did not do very well in our floating metal bricks with no maneuverability. This video gives me a lot more confidence, since I normally prefer high agility over damage tanking in combat. Definitely keen to give it another try in a ship that doesn't take a day and a half to do a 180º roll.

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

This is an amazingly detailed and helpful video. Thank you!

[@mdmckea]

Great stuff - an exceptionally informative video with great footage that provides clear graphical support to the technical content narrated by both CMDRs. ō7 all.

[@ssjsjb]

Great video, can't wait to take another crack at an interceptor this weekend lol

[@cmdrgogen3203]

Very detailed and clear for AX beginners. Thanks o7

[@TheKermit2110]

Excellent video. Surprised no mention of the shutdown field neutraliser in a utility slot.

[@lostphotographs3936]

Recently discovered your channel, great content.

[@blastoncrush]

A lot of work, very impressive :o Thanks a lot commander o7

[@miciosky]

Ty for the awesome content,i'm starting anti xeno hunting and you guys are showing me the way

[@sbssmachine1]

Been waiting for this, let's go

[@mathspodethemighty3484]

dammm i was sure module reinforcement % protetion did not stack i thought i was only more health combined.. 84% for 2 and 94% for 3 .. that a game changer

[@Rocki008]

I'm somewhat new to the game, i've seen one of these yesterday and i was terrified, lol, I ran away like a crybaby on my Anaconda, then I found out it would not even attack me... anyway gladly I found tthis guide and next time i'll be ready, +1sub.

[@johnwood406]

lol same here, I was looking for metal alloys, and exploring and saw this medium radio signal, that sounded like clicking. I went to go see, and as Nuke would say, "things did not go well"

[@MuttleyGameTube]

We all shit our pants at the first encounter ;)

[@ovo5037]

"...somewhat new..." "...my anaconda..." somethings wrong i can feel it

[@Banthah]

@@ovo5037 Lol kids these days. Don't know they're born...

[@Banthah]

Will & Kate's videos are at a level of excellence that other content creators could learn to follow. Thank you for everything you have done in explaining how to kill these bugs! Such a loss to the ED Community that you have now left for Star Citizen - although I'm sure that it is a route many (including me) take when (if?) SC finally becomes an actual game... I will see you there

[@Lonewolf.wildcamping]

Yeah I’m gutted they left, Their videos helped me get my first cyclops kill. Star citezen looks awesome but so unfinished still. If I had the Money and a decent pc would I play it? Yeah I think so, so can’t blame them for leaving ED I’m so disappointed by FDEV

[@SirBrass]

3 thargoid sympathizers disliked this excellent video

[@user-us3kt3lt5v]

awsome tutorial!

[@MrLincity]

Great info Thank you😀

[@draconusspiritus1037]

Just wondering, are there any viable Human alternatives to the Guardian Gauss Cannon? Like maybe a Plasma Accelerator or perhaps the Advanced PA from power play. Something that can be engineered for various options (I really like the plasma slug for effectively unlimited ammo)

[@mistergutsy]

Great video thank you

[@dimitri78310]

Your video is very useful thanks

[@sanderlittle9275]

ty so much for this video..

[@doejohn5339]

I find your videos very helpful .. I just don't understand everything, because I don't speak English very well .. How I would like to take part, but I've only been playing for 10 weeks .. Greetings from Germany .. CMDR Waskes Over and out. =) KATE you are the best =)

[@Citizen_Kate]

Mach weiter so John - es dauert lange, bis du kompetent wirst, aber die Übung wird kommen. Ich habe lange gebraucht, um meinen ersten Cyclops-Kill zu bekommen, aber es ist ein sehr lohnender Teil des Spiels und ich bin froh, dass du diese Videos hilfreich gefunden hast :)

[@doejohn5339]

Du kannst gut Deutsch... =) Danke für die schnelle Antwort.. ich bin in Elite Dangerous CMDR Waskes.. und bin bei der Staffel "EXPLORER ON TOUR" oben in -Toluku- unterwegs..Hab auch meinen eiegnen Träger in 10 Wochen gekauft.. hab den CYCLOPS Zerstört ( Dank deines Videos) weiter traue ich mich nicht. bin froh DICH als Lehrerin zu haben... Liebe Grüße..

[@seanocschannel9947]

Very nice video I’m starting to learn thargoid combat after years of playing elite Also is that a Welsh voice I can here ?

[@Khunvyel]

This is as far as I can tell a very good guide. Most others gloss over severely over certain details and leave many a thing to more research on the pilot. Being the guide as good as it is, means that I'm a bit more critical than usual :) These are the things that stuck out to me: 13:22 emphasis on survivability: How much module damage are beginners going to receive as they learn the ropes? Sounds like B grade core internals would be more useful considering the significantly added protection at the cost of weight. If you can't fight properly because the modules get too much damage to malfunction soon, then A type core internals will not suffice and other than costing extra per death, will serve no purpose. After you learned the mechanics, the added agility when you go to a-types will only increase the factor of 16:08 Guardian Module Reinforcements take a portion of powergrid. If you want to run colder and not rely on heat sinks too much, or if you want to have that shield on, you want your power usage to be manageable. Especially if you consider taking more than one module. I find that using the biggest module reinforcement as guardian and the other one or two as regular just for the added damage diversion is the most useful. Therefor you can keep repairing the big module without needing to worry about the smaller ones. 16:32 Are they doing absolute or caustic damage or a mix of both? Or what else is the "caustic resistance" for? This is absent in this guide. If it's always absolute damage, then shield tanking became a more interesting option as it gets an increased resistance to absolute damage depending on how many pips there are in systems, up to 60% . Absolute damage does not mean resistance true damage. It only ignores kinetic and thermal resistance but is still subject to Absolute resistance on shields with increased pips. 17:42 *Strongly disagree* . You gain more weight reduction with a D class of maximum size than taking an A or C class of the previous size AND you also have a higher jump range with the D type of the maximum size. If you decrease by 2 sizes, I seriously question how you want to get to the fight other than jumping there with a fast ship, then storing it in a nearby system that hopefully has enough jump range to the actual staging area, then let the combat ship of choice be transferred to you, then swap ship, requiring an unwanted downtime. In some instances you need +100% FSD jump range injection to even accomplish that jump. 18:02 There is technically no advantage to cluster capacitors because as long as you are not hard capped on booster MW requirement (which is a fixed value per ship, not per thruster). Therefore, stacking up more recharge time with super conduits is more useful. Unless the build requires a different experimental, like stripped down for weight reduction. 18:17 The only reason to use A type life support is you somehow wanting to continue the fight without canopy, therefore without a hud for the most part. You can safely dock within the margins of air you receive from a D class life support. When in doubt, synthesize oxygen on the way. This is a far bigger weight saver. Type C sensors are absolutely not worth it with lightweight. If you don't do super long range combat, D type sensors are enough for the same reason if you want to save weight. D type with Lightweight 3 has the same 2 tons of weight while having less powergrid usage and still more hitpoints than a C type with Level 5 lightweight to reach down to the 2 tons. Type C sensors are absolutely the wrong choice here. 18:44 Usually the issue with repair limpet controllers is that you cannot repair mid combat as they get shot to pieces. Hull tanking in the game is generally woefully underpowered. You seem to also solely rely on the overheating function to get rid of the caustic damage thus not taking the decontamination limpets. 19:33 Suggesting Guardian Gauss cannons in an absolute beginner build is a bit overkill. An absolute beginner will want to go in and kill Xenos, thus the AX guns that are only for regular material trade-in without extra space-hopping to farm Guardian sites are far easier to pick up and equip to get your feet wet in AX combat. I'm not saying that Guardian Gauss cannons are a bad choice, I'm just mentioning that someone who wants to try it as a "first contact" basis should not worry about Guardian stuff and go for the human based AX stuff instead. In general, one should make two AX builds of the same ship in the planning stages. A regular one and then one with weight stripping and then seeing how much the difference really is and which parts should be weight saved. Then you can really see what difference in handling and speed that makes. Often times, it's not worth the tradeoff.

[@Citizen_Kate]

wow that is a lot of text :D glad you found the guide helpful and thanks for watching ;)

[@Khunvyel]

@@Citizen_Kate As I said, if I find something really good, then I spend the extra time because I think it is worthwhile :) I know these videos take time to make, and time is the most valuable commodity in our life. Therefore if that much time is expended from a creator and the product is solid and good, I think it's only fair to spend time in return and give constructive thoughts. Granted, my typing speed makes long messages not that much of a big deal (and sometimes speech-to-text helps too). If you care to go over the points where I question some decisions so I can get an understanding of your choices, that would be much appreciated too!

[@Citizen_Kate]

honestly you would be best to visit our discord at AXI and speak with our mentor team - some of your questions fall under personal preference (building a ship for the long haul not a stopgap while you learn for example) in fact so many of your objections are personal choice issues - my response is mainly just "yeah, you do you" but some are born of misunderstandings of how AX in general works - things like using the biggest GMRP are just crazy given the weight issues. And AX pilots will ALWAYS finish the fight without a canopy - docking? are you insane? we've already dumped a ton of mats by then. again, talk to our mentors and they can bring you up to speed with the basics if the video is not enough to convince you ;) I get it, we all feel degrees of skepticiscm when we are told we are doing something wrong - the build advice given by the AXI is built on thousands of hours of experience though and i really feel you could benefit from speaking to our mentors ;) the last part about gauss shows you really do not know what you are talking about - again not intended as an insult but you need guidance you are of course entitled to disagree completly though, this is the internet after all :) and i wish you well with finding a content maker better suited to your views if so ;)

[@MJF510]

What would be a good starter ship and alternatively a good money no object ship to use?

[@davewright8206]

impressive content o7

[@stratacastor4720]

I got my work cut out for me it seems, this is great info though! I wanna get out there and blast some 'goids, but first i gotta get more stuff engineered for the ships I already got.

[@cmdrjontomasson5510]

In the meantime, get some practice in with fixed hitscan weapons like railguns or fixed lasers. That skill is really useful against interceptors and can be practiced at any RES.

[@kevinwatts8221]

Hi. Do you have a vid on handling Thargoid scouts?

[@racingtwo7490]

Thanks

[@troybrice4531]

I thought the type 10 was designed to fight Thargoids. Is the Type 10 a more advanced build or not at all recommended?

[@AirshipCanon2]

Type 10 is really baaaaad at fighting Interceptors. It's fairly good against Scouts, but it's no better than an Anaconda, and effectiveness against scouts isn't... representative of AX combat. It has extremely poor convergence for Gauss Cannons and the Experimental Limit does away with any potential it could have with its 9 Hardpoints, turns like a brick, moves like a brick, is a brick, and still isn't tanky enough to tank goid fire for long.

[@redfalcon3833]

Can you make a video on the xeno limpet controller plz, great series

[@Sir-Complains-a-Lot]

seems like i could have spared me the trip to engeenier a bi weave shield at all, if its not helping. why do you recommend shielded builds for beginners if its harder to use them?

[@nathancarter6017]

If they occur at all non-human signal sources I ran into several with threat level ranging from 5 to 7 in the Musca Dark Region while delivering data on Ammonia worlds during the community event a week or so ago...

[@ferociousfeind8538]

Yep, Thargoids appear in the much closer Coalsack nebula now, so you don't have to trek as far to find them

[@monkeawarenessclub9800]

It’s amazing how you somehow do this is VR! I would vomit lol!

[@mathspodethemighty3484]

its not that bad in VR you are seated it not like in a game where you walk and turn with joystick its very different

[@Joopyter724]

@@mathspodethemighty3484 i haven't played Elite but I have played this jet game on vr chat and I agree it is quite surprising how I dont get sick However I still feel sick if I'm sat in the back lol

[@Neltilucious]

By itself you was able to kill all those goids with the mamba, so in a wing, might be 10,000x easier right?

[@mikehawk5492]

How/where do I get ax modules/weapons?

[@cristiansosa1512]

So we're looking at about 200 mil for an AX Krait MK II build, more or less.. Right?

[@caylan-jaelawrence508]

Can you give me the ship build that you used for the anti xeno imperial cutter please🌹😘👌🏾👍🏽

[@Youda00008]

At 16:28 should have said "resistances are futile"

[@kegstafpv5134]

Chieftain or Kraft mk2 for AX?

[@Lonewolf.wildcamping]

Krait if you’re new chieftain after your first few solo cyclops kill

[@rixgaming9989]

Is chaff useless?

[@tonka301180]

thats looks to me: this part of the game is broken...i'm mean, i must grind dit and dat...just to fight thargoids? so i can start fighting against thargoids in mabye 2-3 years?

[@Lonewolf.wildcamping]

You can fight them straight away anytime you want there’s tons everywhere. But yes it is a grind building your ship and getting guardian gauss cannon and guardian module reinforcements but once you have it you’re good to got Thargoids is end game.

[@D-Gamer-ts1yy]

I need someone to help me out I want to learn how to kill 6’s. 5’s are so easy but every time I try a 6 I get absolutely destroyed. I’m using a engineered krait mk2 but these 6’s are ridiculous. I’m on Xbox I’m trying to learn the cold orbiting cause I hate shields and heavy pip management they require. I’m doing great on 5’s (cyclops). But these 6’s are just ridiculous. I like fighting 5’s it’s a lot of fun and feel like I should be able to at least take a couple hearts off a 6 but I can’t even get a single heart?? What gives ?

[@paragon7080]

discord.gg/bqmDxdm

[@maysinbell5765]

15:53 I see a 5D repair module, wouldn't a 5A or even a 1A be better? Bigger ones allow you to use multiple limpets at once, and grade is for repair amount and speed. Wouldn't a Krait MK II benefit more from a 1A and a 5D hull/ module reinforcement instead? A comment for the youtube algorithm @ 777 likes

[@Lonewolf.wildcamping]

It’s all to do with weight A rated stuff isn’t necessarily the best for all situations.

[@proxiemail814]

I'm still fantasizing what ship interiors could have been instead of all this useless development on bases, fleets, and complex thargoid chess games. A legendary drop of the ball.

[@Sophistry0001]

The amount of engineering required makes this sound almost impossible to do, I have no idea how long it would take me to get the materials to fully engineer all of my modules.

[@ravenquinn7774]

never xeno hunting again. got to witch head two days ago, spent first day doing the solo signals, no problem. today i log in, decide to go into the combat zones. fucking ally ships kept flying in front of me, inevitably i get a fine as one flies by at the same time i'm firing on a cyclops. its a 200 credit fine. another ally shipe rams into me, rams me into the cyclops, who also lightning attacks after cyclops 2 emps. ship is destroyed. no biggie i have plenty of rebuy, except THE FUCKING SYSTEM IT SPAWNS ME BACK IN IS OVER 800 LIGHTYEARS AWAY okay, okay, no biggie, just get the asp here, jump in asp, then have fdl delivered. finally get there again, 14 mil just to transport ship 3 hour wait time, fucking ridiculous finally gets there, go into a low cz 2 cyclops and a bunch of scouts, no biggie. Fires on scout- gets a fine. ITS A FUCKING SCOUT NOT AN ALLY SHIP cue cyclops ignoring every other ship and chasing me, what happened to cyclops only moving at 450 cause i was pegged at 535 and the damn thing kept up enough to lightning me 3 fucking times. power plant goes out then emps caustics sit there and wait to die AND SPAWNS ME *)) LIGHTYEARS AWAY AGAIN. fuck this, its enough to make me want to fucking uninstall. forget all the grinding to fully engineer, forget grinding to unlock all the guardian weapons and reinforcements, cause the fucking cz just doesnt work anyways and yeets your own allies at you, counts the enemy as allies too, and sends you 800 lightyears away over a fucking fine. leaving you with at least another 4 hours in game t get back to try again. fuck this, im done

[@kronosx7]

Need some time stamps.

[@danielstokker]

So in other words dont even come close to these things untill you can grade 5 everything ok wow

[@Citizen_Kate]

yeah, AX is really end-game content. you can get into it earlier and a lot of CMDRs do - but engineering is defiantely needed to perform well in it

[@danielstokker]

@@Citizen_Kate ill try killing scouts ive seen a few vids were its done with near stock setups in a krait

[@Jenalgo]

Leave Thargoids alone. They are not a threat.