Basics of Landing in DCS! | Basic Landing Tutorial In the F-16C Viper!

[@Spudknocker]

Hey pilots! I was also thinking of making a video on how the HSI in the F-16C Works, would anyone be interested? Also let me know what other bare bones basics type tutorials you guys would like to see!

[@Big-Timbo]

the more the merryer

[@falconfsx4682]

All of them!

[@wanderlustwasted]

I’d love that! The HSI demonstration would be so helpful! I’m thinking about trying out the falcon soon and would love to see your take on it. These landing vids are awesome, Spud. Great work man!

[@abdullahm4830]

Wonderful. You make it seem effortless.

[@stealthtomcat4739]

Is landing a fighter jet as hard in real life

[@agostonbazmajer1100]

AOA determines airspeed in both the Viper and the Hornet. No idea why you'd concentrate on airspeed on the Hornet. The entire reason why AOA indicators are used as a reference is because on speed AOA is a constant value that allows for proper touchdown speed/hook angle regardless of the weight. (Which can vary depending on your loadout and fuel) The IAS that corresponds to that AOA is going to be higher if you're heavier. This relationship is explained in the Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators book on page 350.

[@mn815048]

Yep. That indicator is on-speed AOA. When set up right, it shows correct AOA, speed, and glide scope. Maybe he's fighting more with the Hornet on carrier approaches and watches the meatball instead of the AOA?

[@marswor]

you're 100% correct. This guy is just making shit up, talks about geometry and how he's here to teach us that, just to say a moment later that he overshot the angle.. he likes to think he's 'in the know' with this smug 'fighting falcon preference' bs and else whilst not even knowing the difference between 60 and 90 degrees, what a joke..

[@zman12431]

@@marswor he landed the plane did he not? Someone is cranky. Temper Temper

[@hansgielen3511]

His manual for landing the hornet is beyond superb. Cranky cranky

[@alheeley]

Good to see this one, my F-16 landing success rate is currently running at about 20% ;)

[@Spudknocker]

Biggest thing in the F-16 is just to make sure your descent isnt too fast, just be nice and gentle on the landing, second to stop the jet in time is to slow the aircraft down via the aerodynamic braking of keeping the nose up!

[@alheeley]

@@Spudknocker spent too long in the hornet, slamming it into the deck and getting away with it!

[@theboostedbass5297]

@@alheeley exactly! I’m having so much trouble with the Viper cause I’m used to slamming the hornet down and being fine

[@michaellu3357]

Just some notes regarding the FLCS and how it affects landing technique: The landing gains in F-16 FLCS introduces AOA feedback when AOA exceeds 11 deg, and the aircraft tends to hold the AOA if manually trimmed above 11 deg. F-18 landing techniques (aka throttle for glidepath, stick for airspeed) can be used in such cases. When below 11 deg AOA, the FLCS is just a pitch-rate command system, so that it's more suitable for the stick to control glidepath. From real life Dash-1: Two distinct techniques may be used when landing. One technique is to trim for approximately 11 degrees AOA and to fly that airspeed throughout the final approach. Attitude/glidepath is controlled by the stick, and airspeed/AOA is controlled by the throttle. This technique allows better pitch control, better over-the-nose visibility, and a more stable HUD presentation. In gusty wind conditions, the aircraft wallows less, and during the flare, the sink rate is easier to control. The aircraft floats approximately 800-1200 feet from flare initiation to touchdown. Another technique is to trim for 13 degrees AOA and to fly that airspeed throughout the final approach. The throttle is used primarily to control glidepath, and the stick controls airspeed through control of AOA and direction through bank angle. This type of approach primarily allows better control of touchdown point and more efficient energy dissipation; however, since the aircraft is already at 13 degrees AOA, the flare is more difficult, and care must be exercised to avoid scraping the speedbrakes or landing firm. The aircraft floats approximately 500-700 feet from flare initiation to touchdown.

[@heila348]

I'm retired, with time on my hands. Both my Uncles died as British pilots in WW2....I'd like to honour them by learning how to fly a serious flight simulator to gain some vague idea of their experiences on the flying side (as good an excuse as any for spending serious money on computer tech). This video is my first introduction to the serious world of flight sim ....ok, you got me.... I'm hooked...I have the Oculus and a (old) joystick ..the new gaming computer (3080) has been on a ordered... I will watch your other tutorials while I wait to join your world. ...thanks for doing this.. I appreciate your style of teaching. cheers from a small fishing village on the west coast of Canada.

[@Smasher77th]

Nice video. Enjoyed it. Few comeback, though: you only trim the falcon pitch-wise if the FLCS is damaged. With a good plane, you don't need to, not even while landing. Also, you fly straight until the runway threshold falls to the 2.5-degree dashed line, then place the velocity vector/ Flight Path Marker there, and manage speed until top of staple creeps up to the fpm. Maintain it till flare time.

[@kamraam1464]

13:36 AOA is literally how the Hornet catches a wire... Not sure what you're talking about there, but airspeed and AOA are directly related.

[@_r-a-f_]

Airspeed is only one of the factors affecting AOA. Sure they are related, but so is gross weight, thrust, CG, flap settings and wing loading and many more. By flying AOA primarily (not airspeed), he is accounting for all of those factors all at once. Spudknocker is 100% correct.

[@kamraam1464]

@@_r-a-f_ Spudknocker said that the Hornet is all about airspeed when landing, that's incorrect.

[@_r-a-f_]

@@kamraam1464 Yeah I agree.

[@kdcustoms1272]

perfect timing i was just about to hop in the f-16. lol

[@Spudknocker]

Perfect!

[@someretardontheinternet]

Nice YZ

[@kdcustoms1272]

@@someretardontheinternet thanks

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

When I first began flying in DCS, it was all about getting missiles off the rail and seeing them smack a Russian Tu-160 or a Tu-95. Or drop a CBU-97 on a column of trucks lined up in a neat row. I would start in the air, do my target practice, then just end the mission and back to the editor. And then I tried to fly with some friends on a public server and when you're actually in that environment, there's no shortcuts. You must take off, land, taxi, etc. I embarrassed myself. So now, whenever I run a mission, even a simple target practice, I always begin cold and dark on a ramp, arm and fuel like a real milsim, takeoff, fly the mission, use the TACAN, ILS, plan the landing and execute the landing. The whole shebang. Because sometimes in a mission you must land to refuel, rearm, and to do that you must know how to shut the jet, whatever it is, down and restart it. So don't shortcut yourselves when learning. Treat every training mission like the real deal and always finish with a landing. The practice and experience will help you in the long run. And it's actually one of the fun parts.

[@fl398motorsports3]

As I understand the F-16 was formally named the Fighting Falcon, but pilots called it the Viper. In the 80's there was a show called Battlestar Galactica that was quite popular, the small fighter aircraft were known as Colonial Vipers and F-16 pilots at the time thought the F-16 kinda resembled them. The nickname kinda stuck.

[@dfiregames9692]

Hey spud I’ve seen a lot of real viper pilots talk about landing and they use the dashed line that appears at about -2.5 degrees and set it in front of the start of the tarmac and when they get slow enough they pull the velocity vector onto where they need to land this gives them a shallower attack and is better on the gears.

[@dfiregames9692]

Also the fcs does it’s non well enough you don’t need to keep trimming the aircraft unless for bent jets

[@Mark_Point]

@@dfiregames9692 Agreed. This vid is wrong. No trim to land the viper.

[@dominicreisch403]

If I understood it right, real pilots will pull the FPM to the position they want to land and at this point they fly 11 degrees AOA.

[@ssplashon]

I am new to DCS and chose to start with the F-16C. I am going through the struggles of someone who is new to this flight sim and found this video to be VERY helpful of the explanation of the marker lines in the hud when lining up for a landing.

[@zimenoschosch6764]

Id generally recommend the Flaming Cliffs 3 DLC as a good starting point of whats generally available to fly and play. If you need help with anything, just reach out. Im not really familiar with the F16 but with a couple of other modules.

[@FPVChoppa]

Thank you Spudknocker🙏🏼, you make these videos such a blast to learn from!

[@Femtophysiker]

Excellent landing! Great video.

[@robertolds7149]

Spot on thx . . every bit of info helps . .lot harder than landing a paraglider

[@MacNielen]

Thx Spudknocker, for being our ‘concrete’ compass (5:25). 🙂 You, sharing your experience and know-how is helping me a lot! As I’m sure it does lots of others. Keep up the great work. Thanks again for all you do for us flight simmers. 👍👍 Very nice landing by the way!

[@Spudknocker]

Haha! I am glad to hear my videos are helping you out man!

[@MacNielen]

@@Spudknocker I’ve still got miles to go... 🙂 Your videos help me to convert the hundreds of individual steps, that I find hard to remember, into a process that’s manageable. Thx for the feedback.

[@Lucaswilsonn]

Probably THE BEST explained video out there! The F-16 is my personal favorite so thank you so much.

[@NWGJulian]

jep, but its not correct. you dont use pitch trim at all in the viper, and you also dont use your throttle to pitch up/down. this is just a hornet thing. in the viper you use the stick for the pitch and the throttle for AoA.

[@Lucaswilsonn]

@@NWGJulian Yes I know that ty though. I was just referring to the way he explained things clearly.

[@throkhan]

at 2:18 maybe ruler measures true course and number of the runway is given according to magnetic course.i think this fact modeled in the game by developers

[@xparti]

I recommand using L/D Gear Down at below 250kts and using NWS below 80~90kts. Its the official manual for f16

[@567davefair]

Would have been sweet to have seen a spectator view afterward so we could better appreciate the AOA approach and brake flaring down the runway ;)

[@GlenDiG1970]

I used to try landing the F16 when I had Falcon 4.0 and in the beginning it was a hard jet to land. Great vid thnx so much! Be good to see some take offs aswell as rendevousing with tankers.

[@czdaniel1]

LoL...Still have my Falcone 3.0 books...I'm tempted to pull it out, see how well it holds up for flying the DCS module

[@dyzio2206]

1. the correct glidepath is with the 2.5 degree line on the threshold. 2.the FPM should be on the top of the AOA indicator(you transition to the middle of the FPM during flair) the flare/ rollout procedure was correct

[@arithex]

hit Uncage button to declutter the HUD a bit (remove the roll/adi indicator and move the heading tape up) when gear is down

[@gosajd1736]

Nice video! Let us have a follow up on this: Tacan, ILS/ICLS, heading and beacon instrument landing. -At night, with heavy rain and fog.

[@Sandboxcode]

Late reply haha but this was a really good tutorial. Your real pilot experience really helped explain AoA. one of the better landing tutorials for the F-16

[@bluemike52]

Really liking all the videos you do. I am learning a lot from your tutorials. Keep them coming especially the F-16C. Thanks

[@MrElliptific]

thanks, I learned so much, especially about using the body as air brake.

[@jdzzl]

I’ve been a flight simmer for a long time, but since when were runway numbers corresponded with their heading! I never knew!!

[@IanB1015]

I just took my first flight yesterday on the F16C. I am CRAZY behind my jet. Lol. I need to re-examine some control binds and also my movements. I was rolling way to far when turning. Also first landing was attempted wheels-up 😆🤷‍♂️

[@double0cinco795]

I never knew about that aoa bracket at the bottom of the HUD. I can still usually land the viper just fine, I'm guessing I just flare enough or do whatever I need to do right before I get to the runway to get the geometry good enough. Thanks for the video!

[@andu1362]

Thx so much!!! I did it perfect from the first try. thx again mate!

[@dominicreisch403]

The Korean say: Entering the overrun, adjust your aimpoint from the threshold to a point 500 to 800 feet down the runway. Use the FPM to assist you, but do not fixate on HUD symbology at the expense of aircraft control. Rate of descent decreases slightly when entering ground effect. Smoothly flare to decrease descent rate (but avoid leveling off), and fly to the desired touchdown point. Power can be reduced to idle in the roundout when making an 11-degree AOA approach. Transition to 12 to 13 degrees AOA during roundout and touchdown at a maximum of 13 degrees AOA. Airspeed control is always critical during landing. If starting the flare with less than 11 degrees AOA, the aircraft tends to float a considerable distance, resulting in a long landing. If slow, you may land hard and/or short. Be very alert for high sink rates if above 11 degrees AOA with IDLE power approaching the overrun. If this situation occurs close to touchdown, engine response may not be fast enough to prevent a hard landing. Also, guard against the tendency to cushion a probable firm touchdown by pulling back on the stick if above 11 degrees AOA (a balloon will result). Obviously, try to avoid the situation, but if it develops, increase power and maintain landing attitude (11 to 13 degrees AOA). At 15 degrees AOA, the low-speed warning tone comes on. Touchdown at 15 degrees AOA or greater will result in a tail scrape. Hard touchdowns between 13 to 15 degrees may also result in a tail scrape. Do not hold the speedbrake switch open in the override position during touchdown as you might scrape the speedbrakes. Do not touchdown with brake pedals depressed.

[@SteviePonder123]

Could you do a short mission but use it as a tutorial and talk your way through it in detail?

[@brett1354]

Sweet. Most of the time I'm running off the runway, though without actually destroying anything. It's very touchy.

[@RicCrouch]

Hopefully you’re a pro at it by now, but if you are running off the SIDE of the runway, be sure to get proficient at landing with a direct headwind first-crosswinds are squirrelly to deal with in ANY airplane and this one is no exception! Also, VERY small rudder inputs once you are on the ground and hold off until under 70 kts or so before engaging nosewheel steering. If you are running off the END of the runway, be sure to aero brake as long as possible by holding the gun Ross on the 10 degree pitch line until you don’t have enough pitch authority to hold it there. Thankfully, the anti-skid has been implemented in game now, so landing rolls seem to be quieter a bit shorter anyway. Keep at it, and good luck!

[@thomasmaier7053]

It does in fact matter if you can't see the HUD on the runway. You pitch for 13 degrees to airbrake, otherwise you might tailstrike.

[@adriansdr]

Hey there Spud! If you don’t mind me asking what are your reshade settings?

[@jakubdabrowski3846]

Hello Spudknocker, Watching your controls' input display, I guess you use analogue wheel brakes mapped to rudder pedals. But I noticed, when I simply press "W" key, the plane tends to turn left or right, does not stay at the centerline. Do the wheel brakes put an assymetrical force to wheels (not equal to left and right wheel)? Or is it caused by minor weight differences between plans's left and right side? Before I bought pedals, I had to use a "pulse braking" method with constantly correcting direction.

[@jaybrown1979jb]

Having a extreme roll problem when I maneuver the f16. Especially during landing. I'm constantly checking the trim and that doesn't seem to be the problem. Wondering if it has anything to do with the force trim setting?

[@davidhull6740]

I did not know F16 pilots adjusted their seat height for landing as you did in this sim. Interesting as it seems to make vision far better.

[@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial]

The only time they adjust seats is during startup after that they have no need to adjust seats. I highly suggest you adjust your seat prior to take off so you dont add more things to do during one of the most important parts of landing.

[@GameWithOxy]

That was a good landing! 🙌🏻

[@thanosp.8415]

Nice video mate.. may ask you, i see that you are on CAT III loadout.. so in which Knots the front wheel touched down, or make a rotation in takeoff??

[@peterducai]

exactly video that i needed.. been crashing my f16 since I bought it :D

[@StringerCourier]

I figured this was the best place to drop an F-16 question. I'm getting into flying the Viper and got some stuff to build a switch panel. If flying the plane involves something I do on the ground, I prefer to go ahead and use the wonderful in-game panels the developers created; however, when in the air, I'd like to avoid having to reach for the mouse. My question is: which collections of switches would you say are the most important ones to have "at my fingertips"? I can take it from there. Thanks in advance.

[@npc6817]

Theoretically speaking everything you need should already be on the hotas, but beyond that it just comes to personal preference unless you're going the simpit route. Most people usually get the stuff they need for startup take off and landing, landing because it's the one operation that requires you to click around the cockpit while you're not in straight level flight, take off because it's the same stuff, and startup because flipping switch feels good so might as well throw in som ext lights and a canopy switch. Add some mfds like thrustmaster's cougar and you got every button you'll actually use ready

[@Bronlund2000]

Nice vid, Is it just me or is the anti-skids broke in the F16? .. Works fine in the FA18, but I am skating all over the place in the F16??

[@julianmorrisco]

I prefer the Falcon name as well. Prob because I’m old enough to remember when they came out and I love the image of a predatory raptor more than a crawling snake :D.

[@haleycbrrr]

It was called the Viper bc of Battlestar Galactica, not a snake. For what it's worth.

[@DoradoFever]

Nice video! It sounds weird though when you spell out the acronym FOD... we just say "fod"

[@taylorbonnah261]

How do you pause the simulation like that? Still haven’t figured that out lol

[@seanbara5210]

what's the button for airbrakes? cuz I use the B key like the other planes have, but mine don't open

[@adriansdr]

If you don’t mind me asking what are your reshade settings?

[@theonefrancis696]

I feel like overall weight has a bigger impact on Viper's performance on landing than other planes... Might be my impression though.

[@sampr14ful]

Nice landing! I've blown up tires a few times 😅😅

[@atomgaming1413]

nice tutorial keep it up and thanks

[@AntoStealth]

Thank you for this mate!

[@Spudknocker]

Hope it helps you out!

[@AntoStealth]

@@Spudknocker sure, and i need to improve my skills to fly my viper better. Sorry for my english, i follow you from Italy, and you are the inspiration for my videos.

[@Spudknocker]

AntoStealth awesome man!

[@rwhunt99]

I do find the F-16 is one of the hardest planes to land, especially with a cross wind, I believe it's because the landing gear is so narrow and it tips so easily. The Mirage is right behind it though, lol!

[@MyHunter9090]

I heard the mig 21 is super hard to land

[@tycavinder8385]

Have you ever done a night landing ?

[@GustavBass]

Can someone bring me up to speed on the "zoom image" in the controls display in the upper left hand corner? Is that a mod or a feature? How does it work? Thanks.

[@mstrwil73]

My frustration is air refueling. Landing is a bit of a breeze compared to that.

[@starvinmarvin7964]

Yeah i feel like it must be even harder in a sim than it would be in reality. Seeing things in 2d and not being able to feel the jet accelerate and decelerate really makes it difficult. VR helps out a ton. The depth perception VR provides makes it so much easier. I'm definitely alot better at refueling in VR.

[@mstrwil73]

@@starvinmarvin7964 I'll try it when I get my HP Reverb G2. I would use my Oculus but I'm done with Facebook and their products. I don't want to get good with it and then not being able to use it because of something I posted. I used to use my Oculus, it started out very good but I couldn't get over the screen door effect. My monitor was a better visual than that Oculus.

[@DoradoFever]

@@starvinmarvin7964 how is other controls for VR, about to buy a gaming PC soon with the 3080, and looking into TrackIR vs something like the HTC Reverb 2 for 4k VR. But... also wanting to get toggle panels of the F-16 from tek creations for landing and their other panels available.

[@TheMccflurry]

About a minute in and damn I wish I saw this tutorial video first. It took so damn long for it to click that the runway numbers were their azimuth.

[@mayuthecop]

So basically just like the F-15C but with a AOA index, gotcha.

[@Spudknocker]

Very Very similar to the F-15C!

[@mayuthecop]

@@Spudknocker I mean, they are Air Force jets. I do prefer to slam the Hornet on the deck tho, breaking is for nerds, wires are for cool guys. Hahaha !

[@czdaniel1]

@@mayuthecop LoL....It's not even 7am & i can already tell yours is gonna be the best comment of the day

[@garyreed4628]

Can not use altitude hold with gear down on auto pilot after last update is this a bug

[@kaden612]

yessss i needed this video

[@dantewalker4448]

Hey Spudd..im noticing that everyone who helps us with their vids are really far away from the screen or the screen is smaller when recording. Anyway u can redo this video where we can see ur airspeed up close? Thanks in advance

[@bf3knifer]

hey spud, would you mind making a video on what aoa is and how when to consider how its used? thx bro, love yur vids

[@Spudknocker]

bf3knifer that sounds like a good idea! And thanks!

[@bspendergraass]

Thanks Spuds, excellent as always! Do you have a tutorial on how the capture video from the perspective of a person on the tarmac while you're flying?

[@TimRobertsen]

Press Left Control+F11: Then you will be in "free-mode", and you can move fore/backwards with / and *. Or mouse-scrollwheel to give the camera a constant speed ;) Hope this helps ;) And, the important one: , on numpad locks the camera to an aircraft/or boat etc.

[@3dmax911]

A lot of infromation.. And a lot of humplense..! That is the key of success... Thanks a lot

[@rufnek476]

I'm a new a10c pilot and could use some tips on landing it

[@NWGJulian]

dont wanna be rude or something, but your information about landing is not correct. you dont use pitch trim at all in the viper, and you also dont use your throttle to pitch up/down. this is just a hornet thing. in the viper you use the stick for the pitch and the throttle for AoA. btw, AoA and airspeed are directly corelated.

[@ghostreconslo]

where can I find this skin for the f16c?

[@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial]

Alright I really need to finish my taxi/TO/Landing video. Sure this is good enough for getting on the ground but there are a lot more details to it than this especially if you want to keep your jet in tact.

[@Spudknocker]

the idea here is to give beginners something to work with

[@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial]

@@Spudknocker totally agree with you on that in no way am i disagreeing with you. I'm just saying even a beginner should be told not to pull back too much on the stick when aerobraking due to the risk of tail striking and causing damage that you have to either get into a new jet for or wait a few minutes for repairs. I feel that it would have been beneficial to at least add "maintain 11 or 13 degree AOA while aerobraking so you dont cause A B and C" thats all Im saying of course there is waaaay more advanced things to learn for landing in the F16 but of course that can be for a later video Im sure.

[@brett1354]

Wish I could see the HUD better in this video. Anyways, it was a sweet landing.

[@bspendergraass]

Hey Spud, thanks for this tutorial! I watched the F-18 one, but the F-16 is the module I have. Also - this is off topic - but I wonder if anyone can help. I know DCS opens in a partial window and you have to switch to full screen manually. Mine was working fine, and then then next day when I tried to run DCS it would go thru the loading screen (the one of the sky as the loading bar displays) but then the start screen is a narrow strip (about the width of a quarter of the screen, but centered) from top to bottom of the screen such that I can't get to any the setting icon on the top or the icons on the right to chose what you want to do. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[@Spudknocker]

Sounds like you need to reset your resolution in game to match your screen?

[@bspendergraass]

@@Spudknocker They were set the same before this happened, but now I can't get to the settings icon to open them and check if it got changed somehow. Any ideas on another way to open settings?

[@AggrarFarmer]

The hardest to land was a Concorde in X-plane its big you barely see nothing and the gear is way back its very easy to slam that plane down.

[@furygreek595]

very nice Bro

[@stevenrobison806]

I'm with you Spud. It's a bird of prey, not some belly crawling reptile.

[@andrewchr]

Its a very very nice video 🙃

[@SHOCKSTRUT]

Great Video Bro. Question...how do you set your game resolution to 2560x1080p? All I see is 2560x1440p

[@Agilaz89]

Different aspect ratio. 2560x1080p is 21:9 versus the regular 16:9

[@encryptedaviation1452]

14:35 who gave you clearance to taxi?

[@dampmaky]

Could you do the jf17 next?

[@dangerously72]

Just bought the F-16C this evening....ran off the runway twice on my first attempts at landing.....decided to watch some vids to see wtf i was doing wrong..lol. Now i know i'm no longer in the A-10C II. lol

[@bollewillem1]

The AOA is always the same, no matter what the landing weight is. That is why speed is not a factor to look for. Just focus on the flight path marker and the bracket. I f those line up, your landing gear will be thankful.

[@gvjackson81]

I found it easier to land than the Hornet. Grease it every time. But as my wife would say "You're (me) are a freak of nature"🤷🏾‍♂️ lol.

[@tomatojuices5340]

The control setting is confusing with f16, i searched for gear steering and couldn't find it, it turns out the name was NWS stand for nosewheel steering. Then the gear control is named as "LG lever" wtf

[@mouchthebiker2938]

anyone remember F-16 Multirole Fighter by novalogic? that's when i fell in love with the fighting falcon.

[@SANDMAN32191]

Talk about a nostalgia trip. Totally forgot about that! For me it was Falcon 4.0

[@cloudsurfingengineer]

was just 7 years old back then when i started flying that!!!

[@callsignnictmere465]

how do you bring the seat up? And the box in the lower left of the screen?

[@Spudknocker]

Douglas Rangel the key binds are shown in the video

[@callsignnictmere465]

@@Spudknocker Thanks Spud.

[@davbhard]

If anyone questions you why you call it a Fighting Falcon, then they have no idea what the actual name of the F-16 is.

[@IrishManJT]

Nice.

[@Jeme2345]

Landing on R altimeter? You have a death wish? I'm not IRL pilot, but as far as I know, this is one of the most deadly mistakes you can kill yourself with on approach. Radio altimeter is not indicating your altitude above the runway, but above the ground at this particular moment. As long as the area is not flat and level with the surface of the runway, the radar altimeter readings have nothing to do with the altitude above the runway. Unless you are just flying directly above one, but that would be missed approach. Regardles - great video, thanks!

[@Trancecend]

Haha, old DCS brakes were pretty effective

[@IwanTimmermans]

Falcon for the win

[@danielchoritz1903]

there are a lot of tools to help a airplane to land quick. real quick

[@tappytibbons735]

Relevant information starts at 11:05

[@stonefishh]

Wow, I'm early!

[@Spudknocker]

Better to be early than late!

[@pichueka]

The Fighting Falcon indeed Sir, I like that one better as well.

[@DavidJDiehl]

I will forever call the F16 the "Falcon." She's a noble bird of prey, not a damn reptile.

[@thebiggestoneyouveverhad]

Two of the most difficult to land aircraft in DCS: MIG21 & Huey... Everything else is cake...

[@slowhornet4802]

Hm. I-16 is not that easy with that fragile landing gear and if you need to increase RPMs while flying slow the huge torque can flip you upside down. Why is the Huey difficult? Mig-21 requires high speed and relative high engine RPM (boundary layer control needs air from the engine). I have more trouble to get it into the air without blowing the tyres.

[@thebiggestoneyouveverhad]

@@slowhornet4802 I have not flown the I-16 so, don't know there. The Huey is hard to master the transition from forward flight to hover then down where you want it. That's me.

[@slowhornet4802]

True, getting down the Huey down where you want it is much harder than just landing it. I managed some landings on small roofs, frigates, even on a moving truck (A team music intensifies). But the amount of Hueys lost during the attempts was high. So it was more luck than skill I guess. For Huey it helps a bit if there is some wind and you land with nose into the wind.

[@falcon88h]

Do you adjust your seat at every landing?? Now you can not see your guncross how much pitch you pull. as you mention already (not good) >15deg is buying your ground chief a case of beer *Glide slope 3deg. *AOA 'optimum' 13deg. *Fly the bracket *Do not flare with power!! messes up your landing parameters, and not to speak about your braking distance😉 (do not flare to soon) *After NLG touchdown, extend max board's and when needed pull pitch gentle, to aid in braking (max surface area) F18 does not flare... there is no need to flare. F18 different gear-game😋 Try again, and next time with 2x mk84, and 2 filled bag's ill await you vid. Current video, not to bad.

[@czdaniel1]

Dude, landing with heavy gear loads like mk84s & tanks is a great video challenge. Great Idea Icarus

[@falcon88h]

@@czdaniel1 be aware you choose a runway that is long enough

[@henrywoodhouse6945]

block 50 in that camo pattern? lol not from Nellis it isnt.

[@Mark_Point]

Not supposed to trim to bracket in f-16. That's the f18 only

[@kerdougan]

Nope, trimming the bracket with the F-16 is critical too for different reasons. The Viper’s wing generate a lot of lift so if you come in too fast your plane might bounce above the runway and you might end up stalling at the end of it. Placing the FPM on the -3deg pitch ladders helps avoiding the bounce too. If you come too slow you risk a tail strike, that’s why you are not supposed to flare with your stick but with your throttle. Respecting the E bracket by trimming helps avoiding all those issues, that’s why landing the Viper can be tricky.

[@Mark_Point]

@@kerdougan I was of the understanding that the correct procedure is to pull to the top of the bracket rather than trim.

[@kerdougan]

@@Mark_Point Technically speaking, you can indeed use your stick in order to maintain the E bracket around the fpm. But that kind of thing can distract you from everything else while the trim can do that for you. Since landing is a critical phase of any flight, I would recommend using anything helping you to keep track of the big picture instead of giving too much time to only one element, even if it's a very important one.

[@Mark_Point]

@@kerdougan Interesting although I have always found it easier to do overhead in f-16 by pulling. It allows me to get on landing speed easier. I maybe will research and try different methods. Wag's first ever viper vid was over head break where he pulls to bracket rather than trimming.

[@kerdougan]

@@Mark_Point Yep I noticed he did that too and I wasn't too happy with it ;) Generally speaking, it's always better to trim any plane for landing.

[@anaesthesia3571]

Try the jeff

[@Devil-mn3dc]

Where was the overhead break? Clear day, no issues, you missed a step.