Who Is The REAL EuroLeague GOAT?

Mike James just surpassed Vassilis Spanoulis as the EuroLeague's all-time leading scorer. But is he the GOAT? In this video, BasketNews' Augustas Suliauskas analyzes who is the greatest EuroLeague player ever - is it Mike, Spanoulis, Bodiroga, Diamantidis, or someone else?
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[@maikotter9945]

ein Beitrag des Montages, 11. März 2024 You could make some categories, as points etc., with a maximum of 100 points each! Then count the points together to rank the players performances!

[@Emko-bb6pk]

Euroleague GOAT is Bodiroga or Drazen Petrovic

[@vulee100]

a player without a title can't be considered

[@AntonisAnt22]

0 mvp's too

[@vulee100]

@@AntonisAnt22 if he had a final four mvp then maybe, regular season mvp isn't as important

[@AntonisAnt22]

@@vulee100 yeah i agree

[@spyridonkaludis6892]

Nick galis and drazen petrovic are the two goat of Europe

[@NikolaIvanovic-pu7hg]

I was like... and the 4th player is Juan Carlos Na.... MIKE JAMES!?

[@mishagelenava2962]

Navarro deserved a mention at least.

[@serjordie]

Navarro was great, but in no way GOAT.

[@Papatetios]

l like a lot Mike james but starting a conversation for the goat of Euroleague for a player that doesnt have a trophy is at least hilarious if not offending

[@zikaperic2133]

exactly just a scorer in non-competitive teams...

[@lantidis1]

@@zikaperic2133 I wouldn't call CSKA that

[@ssk-_-dotz3773]

@@lantidis1or even Monaco, last yr final 4 and this year 4th in el standings rn

[@lantidis1]

@@ssk-_-dotz3773 Sure but CSKA was one of the favorites though. He also helped Baskonia reach final 4 and both his years in PAO they got eliminated in playoff phase by that year's to be champion. The thing is that in Monaco he has improved overall as a player and it shows

[@Flying-Flo]

Bodiroga, Jasikevicius, Navarro, Spanoulis, Diamantidis

[@sugerkilo4104]

my favourite player is Diamandidis. (i am not panathinaikos fan) . with him we learned how important defence is, we learned to love defending skills, pick and roll , deflections .. of course top 5 are also navaro,bodiroga,spanulis,jasikevicius

[@h.u.t.9677]

also ... olympiakos fan , but vasilis and diamantidis are times greater than james, he needs not one biut 2-3 titles to be in the conversation

[@rabgabro6595]

For me, it's still Bodiroga. He was the winner on every team. He made every team title winning team. I might be slightly influenced by his 2 World Titles and 3 European Titles with the national side.

[@ERYTHROGRAPHOS]

Solid take.

[@alfredoladino9838]

There’s no denying Mike James’ ability to score, but we all know Kill Bill is still the GOAT.

[@n_bou1]

Nahhh

[@alfredoladino9838]

@@NikosNikos-dr7wv I can agree that maybe the stats are not on par, but titles and accolades do matter. Mike needs a few titles. I still like seeing highlights though. He’s a baller.

[@simonbischoff7840]

​@@NikosNikos-dr7wvYou like saying not according to statistics, do you?

[@stathisphangan]

hahahahahahaha 😂😂😂😂

[@nikosofidemporas]

​@@alfredoladino9838Diamantidis

[@sotiris168]

Stats and records are cool and all, but you need the titles to match them. Until then, he's not even top 10.

[@dimitrijus83]

not even top 20

[@MojoBonzo]

im an olympiacos fan, so it goes without mention that spanoulis is my guy, but guys like bodiroga had less games in the league(different format back then). so its unfair to compare points or w/e. mike james shouldnt be on the discussion, he is like a teodosic... amazing players, totally inconsistent and if they have a bad game they take their teams down with them... i remember teodosic when we faced him in 2012 finals against csska. the guy spent the first half firing on all cylinders... then he choked and had me yelling at the screen "thats who you are" every time he was missing a shot(he was for years in olympiacos and i love him, but he was inconsistent with us as well! xD)... on the other hand guys like diamantidis were almost never wrong... he wouldnt have a 30pts game, but if he missed 3 shots he knew it wasnt his day and he had to pass it to not ruin his team, and he still was a great defender and a playmaker. spanoulis without saying he could be 0/30 in the first 3 quarters and a half but if you needed 5 pts in the last minute he would give you 6. then you have guys like navarro, rodrigues, fernandes who cannot be overlooked, despite having played in the nba which fucks up their euroleague legacy

[@markomarkovic5729]

Teodosić won his only EL title because of Khryapa's tip-in after offensive rebound in 2016 Finals. And because Nando de Colo had a great game. Teodosić airballed 3-pointer in 2010 Semifinal, but Childress saved his a$$

[@Pro13Sab]

Honorable entries that didn't mentioned: Navaro, DeColo, Micic, Larkin, Vujicic, Siskauskas, Vesely, Sergi Rodrigues, Teodosic, Papaloukas

[@RoamingHeathen]

When you combine Be Like Mike and King James, you of course get Mike James

[@chanendlerbong]

Juan Carlos Navarro wasnt even mentioned how?

[@g.v.7165]

Not great in any statistics or titles, plus not a leader carrying the team. But a genuine scorer (and sorry to say, excellent flopper as well)

[@giotsas]

Best flopper unironically, but I agree with you. He should have been mentioned, he was a top guard for many years.

[@takistsibris4325]

As a greek and a pao fan,i completely agree with vspan and diamantidis veing the candidates,but i gotta give the goat title to bodiroga.I mean the guy was consistently winning in every team he was in(including serbia national team)and i cant remember him having bad nights.Unstoppable at his time.Mike james should not be in the discussion in my opinion,but for he gets the most fun to watch player..p.s:navaro for honorable mention

[@MrFundamentals1000]

Where are Nando De Colo and Navarro?

[@manos6969]

Navarro definitively deserved an honorable mention as he was one of the most feared scorers of his era. Overall the goat convo for euroleague is super difficult and complicated and i think its important to take into account the supporting casts thses stars had as well. In my books Sarunas, Bodiroga and Spanoulis have the most powerful cases...

[@FreeYourselvesGloballyProject]

Nah, Mike James is nowhere close to the Goat. 1. Sex, droga Bodiroga 2. Spanoulis 3. Diamantidis 4. Segio Lull 5. Juan Carlos Navarro or Anthony Parker

[@mikesak7994]

GOAT: Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Bodiroga Best Player: Bodiroga, Parker, Kirilenko Best Scorer: Parker, Larkin, James Best Defender: Kirilenko, Diamantidis, Hines Best Creator: Calathes, Papaloukas, Diamantidis Best Shooter: Carroll, Navaro, Vezenkov Most Clutch: Lull, Spanoulis, Diamantidis Fun to watch: Saras, Teodosic, Rodriguez Honorable mentions: Micic, Mirotic, De Colo James can't be considered yet the GOAT. He needs to win at least one Euroleague title and imo two just to be actually in the conversation. He will get his first MVP most likely if Monaco finishes 2nd place this season. Counting stats are not that important. Longevity matters off course, but even the averages don't tell the whole truth. The general rule is that we can't compare players or teams from different eras. Basketball changes slowly each year, but there are actual changes that lead to that. Bigger court plus more space because of better shooters, assists for foul shots, a lot more games, best europeans going to the NBA, etc.

[@nthimosmauromatidis2231]

i agree but in the creators you cant forget the first player in assists spanoulis and you can not say goat without saying tony kukoc and in honorable mentions is dominique wilkins macijauskas also in scorers

[@tsaxpinogargaliaris]

Tell me you are a PAO fan without telling me.... I can smell you guys from miles away. You have to put DD in every category that spanoulis is in your post. Cause of course he is better than him in everything right?? Please can you explain why DD was better creator for example my sweet green rabbit?

[@stathisphangan]

​@@tsaxpinogargaliaris Yes because when they were in the same team Spanoulis was also a bench player. All the years in Panathinaikos Spanoulis was the 6th player but also in Greek national team Diamantidis Papaloukas and Chatzivretas were the starters. You can rewatch the games.Of course Spanoulis was a great player.He had great games and career.Nobody cant deny that.But if you have to choose one its not him.At least that what their coaches did.

[@tsaxpinogargaliaris]

@@stathisphangan Why PAO fans always lying?? Check the stats son. 2007-08 spanoulis had more points than Diamantidis. 2008-9 spanoulis has more points AND more assist than Diamantidis. AND HE WAS FINAL 4 MVP in 2009 euroleague title for PAO. Thats the reason he left in 2010 for OLY. He wanted to play more because he was better but your team was full of stars like Saras Drew Nickolas and DD. Diamantidis always had super players around him. Spanoulis won the titles with a bunch of kids. And then this guy @mikesak7994 says DD was better creator than spanoulis despite the fact that Vasilis is No1 in assist in Euroleague AND GREEK league...HAHAHA PAO FANS STOP LYING V-SPAN better player end of story

[@mikesak7994]

@@nthimosmauromatidis2231The first player in assists isn't Spanoulis, it is Calathes, but like I said we can't compare them just by counting stats or the averages, because the game is different. I am also taking into account that Calathes or Papaloukas aren't great shooters, making their job more difficult than the one of Spanoulis or James which are elite scorers that lead the defenses to get their attention so others could score from their assists. To be honest I thought we were talking about modern Euroleague, that's why Dominique or Kukoc wasn't included on my lists. Macijauskas didn't have plenty of seasons like James and Larkin and I made an exception for Parker, because he was that great and impactful. The same goes for Kirilenko which I was debating with myself if I should have excluded him or not.

[@TheDirtaz]

De Colo? 2 titles, 1 mvp, 1 finals mvp, almost got the all time scoring title, nevertheless 3rd and will become 2nd soon. Most PIR accumulated in eurloeague history

[@ΚωνσταντινοςΚωσταντινος]

Diamantidis, Spanoulis, James, Sarunas, Siskaoskas and Bodiroga have played in Panathinaikos. That's why this team create beasts. Sarunas was almost benched when pana 2009 won the euroleague. Amazing team

[@Trapligo]

And now Vasilis spanoulis is a pretty dominant coach too

[@Mess14h]

λολ

[@titoskesar2133]

I would mention Navaro as well but im fine with your list. My all time favourites are Diamantidis and Bodiroga but im PAO fun and im biased. However, the GREATEST Basketballer who has EVER walked on a European basketball court or ANY other court on planet Earth is called LUKA DONCIC. The GOAT! Keep up the great videos

[@rabgabro6595]

I gave you the tumbs up until I read the second part. Luka is not even the best player in the NBA. He is really good, but he has to win titles to confirm it.

[@innosanto]

You cannot know that have not seen all decades

[@bouzoukistudent8180]

Bro you always make the best videos from your channel . Always a logical question and results based on facts . Some may not agree with your choises but no one can say they are unsubstantiated ! Again always a great video . Only one advise/joke if can say . My neck is hearting from looking over my left shoulder if someone is coming :D !

[@ShamRock_Pao]

I am a Panathinaikos fan. My top-5 players from 2000 until now: 1. Dimitris Diamantidis 2. Dejan Bodiroga 3. Vasilis Spanoulis 4. Sarunas Jasikevicius 5. Carlos Navvaro Leaving aside my love for Panathinaikos and trying to speak clearly with basketball criteria there is one reason why Diamantidis was better than Spanoulis. Diamantidis was an extraordinary defender (one of the best ever in Europe) and a very good offensive player. Just remember the winning shot at the Eurobasket semi-finals in 2005. On the other hand, Spanoulis was a great offensive player (better than Diamantidis and one of the best of all times) but not a noteworthy defender. I mean that Dimitris was a more versatile player being good at both defense and offence. And don't forget what the great Kobe Bryant once said: "I wish I had on my team one player named Diamantidis".

[@AR-yp8nh]

You didn't liked AP antony parker😯

[@ShamRock_Pao]

Great player indeed!!!! It's hard to pick only five. I think that Parker could also be in the 4 or 5 of my list!@@AR-yp8nh

[@Ostathis]

Leaving aside my love for Panathinaikos and trying to speak clearly with basketball criteria....... Sure did that... ασε ρε μεγαλε πας καλα?

[@tsaxpinogargaliaris]

Yes you clearly left your love for PAO outside your post xD xD Its funny how nobody mentions that Diamantidis was playing with the best teammates in Europe. Pao roster back then was the best by far. Spanoulis won those titles alone. No spanoulis, no party, no title. p.g Για αυτο οι Ευρωπαιοι τιμουν τον σπανουλη και τον βαζουν ΟΛΟΙ πανω απο τον Διαμαντιδη και μονο εσεις τα βαζελια θα λετε μια ζωη οτι ο DD ηταν καλυτερος. Ηταν καλυτερος αμυντικος. Καλυτερος 2way player. Μεχρι εκει. Παραδεχτειτε επιτελους το μεγαλειο του Kill Bill

[@sotiris168]

@@tsaxpinogargaliaris παικτάρα ο kill bill αλλά θα έπαιρνα Διαμαντίδη γιατί πρόσφερε περισσότερα πράγματα που δεν φαινόντουσαν τόσο. Ήταν αρκετά πιο ολοκληρωμένος σαν guard, αλλά χειρότερος στο scoring.

[@ivannovakovic2156]

Toni Kukoc, only one with 3 times in row euroleague champion, 3 times final four MVP. only guy with 4 mister europa awards. World championship and eurobasket winner and MVP. Very underrated.

[@antonk4397]

Talking about 2001 onwards..

[@ThePatata200]

Diamantidis was the most complete guard. Amazing defence, vision, clutch

[@JoyMadrugada]

i saw Panathinaikos, Real ,and Olympiakos teams on the video 2433 times lol 3D Diamantidis...omg i remember Diamantidis Spanoulis and Sarunas on the same team of Panathinaikos

[@Nikosk00]

greatest team ever assemled in the euroleague

[@giannisrodanakis7017]

and reminding that Coach Obradovic vouched for Diamantidis all the way ..

[@ivanzivkovic3127]

If you are the best, you have to win something for the national team in your career.... Diamantidis i spanulis 🥇euro basket 2005. Sarunas J 🥇euro 2003. Navaro 🥇🥇 euro 2011,2009 🥇world cup 2006. Bodiroga 🥇🥇🥇euro 1995, 1997,2001 🥇🥇 world cup 1998,2002.

[@malhccheckmate1566]

Mike has 3 plus the current one, 4 years of future career. If he somehow manages to win not 1, but 2 titles, then yeah definitely he could be in the conversation. Without them, no.

[@nikosofidemporas]

The best 2-way player ever, the best defender, passer and leader of his time combined with clutch shot making and numerous titles and accolades: Dimitris 3D Diamantidis.

[@Sx._.drg._.bdrg.]

The goat is diqmantidis. Other than the fact that along side teodosic he is the best playmaker he is also with spanoulis the most clucth.BUT he is also THE BEST defender. He was won the dpoy 6 times !!!(no other has more than 2). Also he has 2 f4 Mvps and 3 euroleagues

[@giannisrodanakis7017]

totally agree .. as coach Obradovic does //

[@ofoufoutos7110]

whats spanoulis impact on defense ??

[@hdim1]

James is the closest to an NBA superstar/superscorer we can get in Euroleague - not because he is injured or on drugs or chased by the law, but because he is short. He is pure joy to observe. He does lack in titles and that counts, however I will add that he lacks in terms of attitude / persona too. Especially while younger, he was a bit controversial and not well respected. The difference with Spanoulis is that Bill had global recognition and love. I remember fans of the opposing teams applauding him. Moreover, he was inspirational for his team mates and youngsters that looked up on him. You could hear stories about him and his obsession with basketball that bring Christiano Ronaldo and Kobe to mind (I think he was not as extreme as they were but still). Additionally, the 2 titles that he won with Olympiakos - especially the first one - were with low budget / fame team mates. Yes, you know Sloukas, Papanikolaou, Hines, Printezis, but who knew them at the time? I doubt you could have substituted Spanoulis with any other player and won those titles. I believe he removed part of the stress from younger team mates because they all knew that when it mattered, when the ball burned, he would carry the team. This way, his team mates were able to play their game. Moreover, and I cannot stress this enough, he was a monster at pick n roll. He has invented careers that did not exist for his center team mates. I was watching his games and i was like 'how does he pass the ball to the center so effortlessly?' and then when he stopped no one else could do it this well. Finally, part of his legend was that he left an a-ma-zing, all star pao team, with the best coach, top class team mates in order to succeed on the biggest pao adversary olympiakos. Olympiakos at the time had a mediocre team that hadn't won greek championship or euroleague for ages. Well, he made it and that's a story by itself.

[@michgolov]

Thanks for the video. Mike James should come and play for Olympiacos because his play will revive our team like Spanoulis is playing again and then he will win one and he will be No1 GOAT.

[@thedethawk]

Mike James is still active and has a lot to offer/achieve in the following years. It’s still difficult though to reach the King: Vassilis Spanoulis 🐐

[@marcus9709]

Wheres navarro?

[@romansmirnidis157]

Diamantidis was amazing, punished us so many times. No wonder Olympiakos rise in Greece came just after Diamantidis retired. From olympiakos fan :)

[@Stashkost]

What are you talking about…back to back happened before diamantidis retirement…

[@miralex67]

After Diamantidis retirement olympiacos didn't win a title for 6 years lol

[@tsaxpinogargaliaris]

Hahahahaha top Olympiakos fan i see. Full of bullshit

[@giannisrodanakis7017]

true dat .. upvoting .. from a Panionios fan ! i would like to put Fanis and Galis in the discussion though ...

[@Freamon_L]

Mike James is borderline top 25, putting him on the Euroleague goat discussion is the worst take i have heard from this other than that great channel. Saras, Parker, Siskauskas, Diamantidis, Batiste, Papaloukas, Navarro, Llull, Sergi, Spanoulis,Printezis,Baston, Bodiroga, De Colo were way more complete, impactful and successful on big games than James Scola,Andersen,Smodis, Holden, Langdon, Larkin, Hines, Micic, Nicholas, Calathes, Vujcic, Teodosic, Nocionni are also higher than him but i agree it could be debatable for some reasons (years played in the league etc)

[@tptp3143]

James is an excellent shooter and scorer in general BUT he has spend his career in second tier teams playing the hero and hogging the ball. When he plays well or when he is not properly defended they win, when he is not playing well they lose. All the others in this video played in highly competitive teams that had alternatives to "hero ball" thus time and attempts were shared better with their teamates. Spanoulis didn't even play that much in the 2012 final because he wasn't in the zone (at least early on) guess what Olympiacos closed the difference without him and when he returned to the game they won. James' teams rely so much on him and that's why he has these "crazy" stats.

[@radovank94]

Dude, even Micic and Larkin deserved spot in front of Mike. Not to mention other legends that actually won something

[@familyguy9761]

Do some story og Predrag Danilović

[@stefanosalexopoulos9260]

Diamantidis every day and twice on Sundays

[@Warcore9]

goats are defined by titles/awards. you cannot even be in the conversation without finals AND fmvp, end of story

[@djultrav85]

Dimitris without any hesitation. In his bad games averages a PIR 6-7. In Spanoulis bad games you could see a -10 PIR (a lot of turnovers and missing shoots) And if we consider Obradovic is the greatest coach of europe... we know who he preffered between Dimitris and Vasilis.....Dimitris without any hesitation...

[@charalamposnakos6744]

THE IMPRESSIVE PHENOMENON IS THAT SPANOULIS, MIKE JAMES AND DIAMANTIDIS ALL EXPERIENCED GLORY DAYS WITH PANATHINAIKOS!THE BIGGEST TEAM OF EUROPE!

[@yiannisromanas9895]

2 Greeks in top 4🇬🇷🇬🇷

[@giorgossouglides654]

I m olympiakos fun, i can guarantee that Diamantides was a legendary player. But Spanoulis will be forever the King of Euroleague

[@steveosfp197]

​@@NikosNikos-dr7wv you are tripping man, all of his stats can't even match one of the 3 titles spanoulis has

[@steveosfp197]

@@NikosNikos-dr7wv yes he clearly had better teamates in 2012 and 2013 when he won the Euroleague back to back against teams with 5x the budget of olympiacos, playing with 19-20 years old kiddos...

[@giannisrodanakis7017]

coach Obradovic can eply to this : it should be a 2 way player to make the GOAT ! 3D is the one. VSPAN is the greatest offensive along with Navarro (as a talent Mike is there , but no tiltes) ..

[@elpoiro]

Guys i know he's not counted but Meneghin deserves his time under the spotlights.

[@infectedplus1]

Great player, Galis too ;)

[@elpoiro]

@@infectedplus1 yea, absolutly. He gave Greece it's title in 87, being the best scorer and best player if i'm right. A basketball monster. Everybody speaks about Spanoulis and ignore before because it's "prehistoric" basketball, what a shame. Do they do the same in Football for Maradona, Platini, Zico, Pelé, Beckenbauer and so many other greats from decades ago? Just don't count because the Champion's League was not the same formula (actual national champions and not billionaires' clubs favorised by UEFA to make it a closed league like the NBA). Do they do the same in Rugby ? The Korac Cup existed, and it was a real thing !

[@lantidis1]

The number of championships won factor is the least important one for such a discussion in euro basketball. The most important factor, the team's roster, is almost never decided by the player in question on euro teams. Also the Final 4 format favours surprises and most of the teams that became champions weren't the best one during the season. Instead we should look for how much that player influenced his team and in which way.

[@tsaxpinogargaliaris]

In Euroleague is very difficult to choose a goat. Its better to make a top3 or top5. The only thing i'll say is that for spanoulis case you should remember that in the years of the back2back nobody knew who kyle hines was, and Sloukas, papanikolaou where kids. So if he wasnt there? No trophies!

[@dimitrijus83]

manu ginobili, dejan bodiroga, arvydas sabonis, and drazen petrovic. easily. teodosic might be in that tear list. mt Rushmore of euroleague

[@tsaxpinogargaliaris]

Ok mike James just answered for you guys. SPANOULIS IS THE EUROLEAGUE GOAT.

[@maikotter9945]

ein Beitrag des Montages, 11. März 2024 Der mediale Fokus liegt meistens auf Luka Doncic. die Notierten (49): Europa 27; Amerika 18; Asien 2; Afrika 1 Januar (3): Europa 2; Amerika 1 1966: Ergin Ataman (Istanbul) 1988: Alexander Tyus (Missouri) 1994: Vasilije Micić (Serbien) Februar (6): Europa 4; Amerika 2 1973: Tyus Dwayne Edney (Staat Kalifornien) 1981: Andrei Gennadjewitsch Kirilenko (Udmurtien) 1987: Ante Tomić (Dubrovnik) 1989: Nicholas William Calathes (Florida) 1991: Nikola Mirotić Stajović (Geburt in Titograd) 1999: Luka Dončić (Laibach) März (6): Europa 4; Amerika 1; Afrika 1 1960: Željko Obradović (Mittelserbien) 1973: Dejan Bodiroga (Mittelbanat) 1978: Igor Rakočević (Belgrad) 1982: Walter Samuel Tavares da Veiga (Kap Verde) 1987: Miloš Teodosić (Serbien) 1991: Facundo Campazzo (Argentinien) April (4): Amerika 3; Europa 1 1974: Marcus James Brown (Arkansas) 1980: Lance Terrell McIntyre (Buenos Aires; in einem Herbst geboren) 1983: Devin Michael Smith (Delaware) 1990: Jan Veselý (Ostrau) Mai (7): Europa 4; Amerika 3 1959: David Michael Blatt (Kentucky) 1973: Dejan Tomašević (Belgrad) 1976: Trajan Shaka Langdon (Staat Kalifornien) 1977: Theodoros Papaloukas (Griechenland) 1980: Dimitrios Diamantidis (Griechenland) 1986: Bryant Kevin Dunston jr. (Queens) 1988: Nemanja Bjelica (Belgrad) Juni (3): Europa 2; Amerika 1 1975: Anthony Michael Parker (Iowa) 1980: Juan Carlos Navarro Feijoo (Südkatalonien) 1987: Nando Bruno Alfred Andre de Colo (Französisch Flandern) Juli (2): Europa 1; Amerika 1 1977: Emanuel David Ginóbili Maccari (Argentinien) 1983: Nenad Krstić (Serbien) August (3): Europa 2; Asien 1 1990: Michael Perry James (Oregon) 1992: Bogdan Bogdanović (Serbien) 1995: Aleksandar Wesenkow (Nikosia) September (4): Europa 2; Amerika 2 1959: Ettore Messina (Sizilien) 1978: Ramūnas Šiškauskas (Litauen) 1983: Keith Langford (Texas) 1986: Kyle Tyrrell Hines (Philadelphia) Oktober (5): Amerika 3; Europa 2 1943: Dušan Ivković (Belgrad; verstorben) 1971: Alphonso Gene Ford (Staat Mississippi) 1977: Lance Terrell McIntyre (Nordkarolinien) 1990: Stefan Jović (Serbien) 1992: Deshane Davis Larkin (Zinzinatti) November (2): Europa 1; Asien 1 1951: Pinhas Jair Gershon (Tel Aviv) 1987: Sergio Llull Melià (Menorca) Dezember: Europa 1 1988: Alexei Wiktorowitsch Schwed (Belgorod; ein deutschsprachiger Familienname) welcher Geburtsmonat? (2): Europa 1; Amerika 1 Georgios Bartzokas (Griechenland) Jeff Trepagnier (USA)

[@Soped]

Those who understand basketball, choose Diamantidis. Best defender, best passer, smartest player, best creator and of course, one of the clutchest players. He was everywhere in the court and everything in the court. He wasn't the best scorer but he was good enough. He just had everything. If he was playing in shooting gaurd position he would be the best scorer as well.

[@marcrocallevadot3291]

Where is navarro?

[@ofoufoutos7110]

he is polishing galis shoes , no time for that

[@jasonkaradimos6383]

Diamantidis is the goat of euroleague, no doubt about it. Span and James might be the best offensive players/ scorers. Diamantidis had balance in defence and offence , clutch player, leadership, assists, captain, 6times best euroleague defender and rarely made a bad choice, mistake unlike Spanoulis and James. Spanoulis defence was bad, James decisions were pour sometimes. Could be compare diama with dejan tbh All mentioned players played for pana . This shows the greatness of this team. Best European team by far

[@h.u.t.9677]

great mike james biut spanoulis has 3 or 4 euroleague titles?

[@karembarium]

Euroleague GOAT without any EL titles?? Have you seen any GOAT without the major title? Come on guys, i love Mike James too but he isn't even in the top5 Euroleague goat conversation. I get it that you want views and clicks and that you are Mike's biggest fans but come one lets get serious. He is the TOP SCORER not the GOAT. Spanoulis is my number 1.

[@giannisrodanakis7017]

still Spanoulis was a scorer only.. not a 2way player , a significant factor when discussing abt the GOAT..

[@karembarium]

He wasn't just a scorer! He was the most clutch player in the history of the league by far, great scorer and he is still 3rd on assists. The way he was manipulating the PnR was amazing, he was a great leader and his work ethic was top. About the 2way player, brother there are no such players in Europe that can be in the GOAT conversation.

[@karembarium]

Brother the top5 players in the GOAT conversation are not 2way players. Realize and accept that! This isn't NBA here. Probably you are shy to say Diamantidis and you should coz although he was an EL legend, he shouldn't be in the GOAT conversation (too low in offense for a GOAT)

[@giannisrodanakis7017]

Not shy to say to say 3D. I clearly state it. 3d is in there. You can refer to the great coach Obradovic's opinion. Being the Goat is not about numbers only.. it is about dominance on the court.. Jordan is the GOAT for this reason. Dominance offensively and defensively. If you do make ref on the numbers then MJ23 would be far from being the GOAT. anyhow both of them are TOP 5 and we should be proud. It's just the way you look at things.. it is opinion based.. maybe you are a fan of Oly.. personally I am not a fan of any of Pao or Oly.. I would go with the preference of coach Obadovic, who coached them both

[@rastaman2722]

But if you ask any Euroleague player or coach, they'll give you just one name. Nikos Galis That's it...

[@Kill_Bill_007]

Unfortunately he never made a EuroLeague final, let alone won a title. That pretty much is an automatic exclusion from any serious GOAT discussion, for anyone that is objective and unbiased.

[@ירדןבןיצחק]

If you look at a peak year in my opinion nate huffman is the best despite only playing 2 years in euroleague but for me best of all time is between parker and spanoulis

[@ivanstojanovic621]

I don't understand why you took only period from 2001 in consideration ? You should have taken period from the season 1991-92 because that season the competition got new format and changed the name from European Champions Cup to European League or Euro League , and from that season modern era starts not from 2001. In 2001 just ULEB took it over from FIBA and that's it. Because of that, first you limited Bodiroga only to 5 seasons of consideration and the real debate who is the GOAT should be Bodiroga or Spanoulis, not Spanoulis or Mike James ; and second you eliminated from the consideration and conversation several great players who played in the 90s, like Sasha Danilovic, Sasha Djordjevic, David Rivers, Carlton Myers... so this was really not done good.

[@Kill_Bill_007]

EuroLeague officially counts all the titles and finals from 1958 and all of the final fours from 1988. BasketNews has just come up with their own personal opinion to count it from 2001. The EuroLeague itself counts from 1958, even though they are implying they don't, that's not correct. Numerous times over the years the current EuroLeague has published articles stating that they count everything since 1958.

[@TesseracTesseracT]

I don’t know who is the European GOAT but Diamantidis was for me the most complete player. And I am Olympiacos fan…

[@larbos1587]

DIAMANTIDIS G O A T

[@georgiospalavidis7382]

When they asked Kobe Bryant about which european player he would like to have in his team, he said Diamantidis…. enough said

[@gabepizza]

"In the NBA it's between Michael Jordan and LeBron James" Kobe, Wilt and Russell fans would disagree.

[@innosanto]

Bird is overall goat. If game creation, passing, rebounding, impact, clutch, etc taken into account. Russel is wins goat, Jordan is scoring goat, Kareem, Magic, Wilt

[@oaklandtraphouse]

Jordan is a defensive goat too​@@innosanto

[@Mavenger1845]

@@innosantonope Lebron is. Bird isn’t even top 5

[@zdravljeizprirode2777]

Imagine score tied, last two minutes of the final game, Spanoulis against Bodiroga, whom would you trust more to win the game? That’s the real GOAT!

[@giannisrodanakis7017]

the GOAT is not abt scoring .. it's a 2 way game brother.

[@markomarkovic5729]

Jasikevičius > Mike. He won 3 in a row. Bodiroga didn't invented Shammgod/El Latigo, but he perfected it. It was used back in the 80s by Danko Cvjetićanin. Danilović also used it since the early 90s.

[@n3kra13]

all top 4 played for Panathinaikos

[@PeterAnosike-c5b]

To me the GOAT in the Euroleague is European Kobe

[@milos6877]

I am Serbian and Bodiroga is my favorite player, but what Kill Bill did in his career is unmached for me he is the Goat.

[@YunilDraconiros]

No Nando De Colo ? In HM at least ?

[@sabatanegra]

J C Navarro top 5

[@peropalalic6300]

Comparing james with spanulis,diamantidis,bodiroga its shamefull,all euro basket become one small NBA village,we are taking american "culture"in every way unfortunatelly.

[@eesa_1980]

Let's not do all this legacy "who's the GOAT" BS that the NBA does. I quit watching NBA Basketball partly for this reason. Just getting into Euroleague a little and I'm hoping will be reminiscent of the NBA Basketball I used to enjoy in the 90s.

[@katsas77]

Not even top 5 without a title

[@inikous58]

Diamantidis end of discussion. The most complete guard of all time. Spanoulis decided to go to Olympiakos cause he was always number 2 behind him. Diamantidis was the favorite kid of Zeliko and all Panathinaikos fans the same time Sarunas and Spanoulis was in the same team..This speaks for itself. Only person that could give him a run for his money would be Manu Ginobili if he stayed in Euroleague for many years. Manu could have been an even better player for Euroleague scene.

[@hodeimayoz5099]

Navarro?

[@NikolaIvanovic-pu7hg]

where is Juan Carlos Navarro!?

[@kelly97491234]

12.4? Didn’t Galis average like 40?

[@sherlock4791]

Best individual player in modern euroleague (or best player) is easily mike jame in my opinion But GOAT, even mike james with 1 ring wont overtake spanoulis 2rings and 2 f4 mvps then i would say yes Greatest is not just about skill and stats imo, it also takes to account outside of basketball things

[@DimitrisDrougkas]

I can shoot 3s also when I play for Monaco,there is no stress,what did he do when he was in CSKA and PAO?How can you rate that someone is the goat,just because he scores points?21st century has even forgotten players you did not mention vujcic ,papaloukas and where is la bomba navarro?Just to mention a few.Plus jasikevicius impact was also during the game,on how the team was performing with him inside,so please,no.

[@Rebound703]

From someone who's watched the NBA since the mid 70's, the Greatest NBA player is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. This man doesn't get the respect he deserves because he was a center. In 20 seasons his 15,837 field goals made is still best in league history with over 1,100 more made baskets than LeBron James who's over half way into his 21st season. LeBron would have to play 23 seasons to break that record.

[@harrisM15A]

Kill bill by far. Vasilis Spanoulis is the GOAT

[@milossvilokos7696]

Bodiroga

[@urkecio1061]

Mike James is a great scorer but bro can't be compared to Bodiroga, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Jasikevicius, Navarro, Teodosic etc. He needs to win at least 1 title and 1 MVP to be in the debate.

[@tamirgordo5341]

Bodiroga is GOAT! There is no doubt

[@alexisbasman7029]

Euroleague speaking, Mike James is not even in the top 5... Zero MVPs, zero Trophies... 3D, Spanoulis, Saras, Bodiroga, Navarro, Papaloukas, Printezis, Batiste, Fernandez, just to mention a few, had way more success than him over the years...

[@stevekesedakisstormchasing7031]

no but one of the best....Spanoulis is still the King

[@thespartanscorpion2752]

Spanoulis for me is the best

[@SpinradN]

Dimitris Diamantidis

[@karjo2248]

Hahahahhahahahaha

[@Kill_Bill_007]

As far as Mike James being the EuroLeague GOAT if he wins 1 EuroLeague championship...no. No disrespect to Mike James at all, as he is a really, really good EuroLeague player. But there is no way he is even remotely close to being in the EuroLeague GOAT discussion with winning just 1 EuroLeague championship, if he is able to do so at some point. That does not even put him in the GOAT conversation at all. 1 EuroLeague title is nowhere near enough to be compared to modern EuroLeague players like: Vassilis Spanoulis Dejan Bodiroga Dimitris Diamantidis Sarunas Jasikevicius or also guys like: Juan Carlos Navarro Antoine Rigaudeau Theo Papaloukas Vasilje Micic Nando De Colo Ramunas Siskauskas If he won 1 EuroLeague title, James is still far away from Spanoulis for the GOAT discussions (not even close), or also Bodiroga, or also Diamantidis and Jasikevicius. In all honesty, Mike James isn't even as high on the EuroLeague GOAT ladder as players like: Sergio Llull Milos Teodosic Anthony Parker Sergio Rodriguez Then you have FIBA era EuroLeague players, and also Mike James is not as high asmany of them for GOAT discussions either, like: Janis Krumins Emiliano Rodriguez Clifford Luyk Sergey Belov Wayne Brabender Bob Morse Manolo Raga Dino Meneghin Walter Szczerbiak Miki Berkovich Antonello Riva Epi Drazen Petrovic Bob McAdoo Nikos Galis Dino Radja Toni Kukoc Sasha Danilovic Sasha Djordjevic Panagiotis Giannakis Arvydas Sabonis This doesn't even mention players like: Radivoj Korac Drazen Dalipagic Kresmir Cosic Mirza Delibasic Dragan Kicanovic Ivo Daneu Zarko Paspalj Carlton Myers Ibrahim Kutluay Petar Naumoski Nikos Oikonomou Zeljko Rebraca etc. If we limit it to JUST American players, even then Mike James is not the GOAT American EuroLeague player. As players like: Anthony Parker Shane Larkin would be higher than him on the EuroLeague GOAT ladder for modern players, with guys like: Alphonso Ford Mike Batiste Trajan Langdon Kyle Hines JR Holden also in such a discussion. If we include the FIBA era Americans, then Mike James is also behind a whole bunch of other Americans on the GOAT ladder, like: Clifford Luyk Wayne Brabender Bob Morse Walt Szczerbiak Tal Brody Lou Silver Jim Boatwright Audie Norris Nikos Galis Joe Arlauckas David Rivers Tyus Edney In all honesty, while Mike James has had a really good EuroLeague career, he's not even remotely close to being in the EuroLeague GOAT discussion right now. Maybe IF he wins the EuroLeague MVP this season, AND the EuroLeague championship AND EuroLeague Final Four MVP this season, THEN maybe we can talk about maybe putting him in EuroLeague Top 30 all-time discussions. It's actually insulting and outrageous to so many previous EuroLeague great players that all of these Mike James EuroLeague GOAT videos are popping up everywhere. If we put it in terms of an NBA equivalency, putting Mike James in the EuroLeague GOAT conversation is basically the equivalent of saying Allen Iverson is in the NBA GOAT conversation, and even then, that's probably being too generous to Mike James at least right now, as Iverson did win a league MVP and make a finals, neither of which James has done yet.

[@stylianospoutzalis811]

Spanoulis among other milestones left the league as both Scoring and Assist Leader....

[@John999Wayne]

Players like Mike James in Euroleague or like Harden or Westbrook in NBA can't be in serious conversation for any kind of GOAT stories.

[@Michalis_Sideratos]

I wish Mike James played defense, then he would definitely be the GOAT. Vasilis and Dimitris for me had, and still have for the former, the most impact to Greek basketball since Gallis and Giannakis. There is a reason why Diamantidis was called the "octapus", his defense was on a whole deferent level and annihilated every opponent he was guarding except one and that speaks volumes. When you find ways to overcome the best defense (one hand 3shot with side step on the clutch) everything else is easy. When your presence on the bench alone "demands" the absolute effort from your players it means you are respected on the highest level. It is the respect from his opponents who tried numerous times to beat him that made him his legacy and make him the G.O.A.T .

[@leroyleroy2251]

To make things more clear about the goat at least between diamantidis and spanoulis is that: Spanoulis left panathinaikos because NOONE would get more money than the best of the best Dimitris Diamantidis , the player that the goat head coach Obradovic believes he's the best player he ever had and i guess he knows a few things more than us , all the rest are just (fair though) opinions My personal opinion diamantidis is the best because he was everywhere and even in offence when ball was too hot he would get it not spanoulis as long as they were in the same team and he's done way more cluch plays in Greek league's finals if it counts Mike James shouldn't be in that list for me it should be players that won one trophie at least Navaro should be mentioned even Batiste not Hines

[@Gerschy]

Without any title? No way ...

[@KimPap-y2s]

Are u serious, only Diamantidis . DEFENCE ATTACK ORGANIZE CRUCIAL MOMENTS

[@alekoukos9601]

Spanoulis is the goat and it’s not close … also you have to at least mention Navarro

[@wewuzirlyriliansandshiiit6123]

😂​@@NikosNikos-dr7wv

[@giannisrodanakis7017]

Spanoulis not the GOAT .. very close to it but no.. TOP 3 , TOP 5 for sure .

[@michael_d.jordan]

Nando de Colo ??

[@michalisthaddaiosmichael6461]

In NBA is between Kobe and MJ