Bat's - How to Study Professional Go Games

So, after repeatedly being asked how to study professional games, I've decided to try and form an answer.
Game Used - gokifu.com/s/14zm-gokifu-20121105-Lee_Changho(9p)-Lee_Chungyu(4p).html

[@sfincione2000]

Very nice walkthrough. It's really helpful for us learning the finer points of Go. Thanks for taking the time to do these videos. It's very much appreciated.

[@Jellywicks]

This video was great. I recently got back into playing and very much enjoy going over games. Having you go through them and show some different possibilities really helped in understanding. Great Job!! Hope to watch so more.

[@dwyrin]

Landen Gelwicks Nice! Good luck with with the game!

[@aaronnevarez8072]

Would definitely love to see more videos in this format! Especially on studying pro games! I've been studying pro games from the start(like literally 30kyu) up till now(7kyu) and I find there is something helpful about it regardless of strength! Please keep up the awesome work!

[@christianjeffress5312]

I first heard of Go from Hikaru no Go, great game.

[@Jedimasteroflight]

Me too, but where do you get a go board?

[@christianjeffress5312]

+Thomas Rivaldi Amazon

[@miawoo2461]

Christian Jeffress same I learned the basics now but when I see pros playing I can't understand each stone 😂😂

[@pckcentral]

you won.t understand of move until knows basic move how to survive and fight. play more and learn from mistake to go up ladder lanking. maybe 5k start have more fun. I am a 2d .

[@PeteOneMillion]

Wonderful video, thanks for posting! I always enjoy your commentary, but seeing it on a real board with clear audio is quite the treat.

[@erichotts4685]

Loved this video. I would really like to see a series on this. Hard to find commentary on professional games I can understand because generally the commentators speak on a higher assumed level of the viewers than I have. Also hard to find commentary on professional games i can understand without subtitles ;). This video satisfied both of my biggest problems! Please continue!

[@johnparinellojr.2035]

Thanks I've been looking every where for material like this thank you for making this video, it helps a lot !

[@GaryGP40]

I really enjoyed this and was playing along with you (lol my Go board looks exactly like yours!) - but one thing is you took the time to try an explain the basic concepts, which is great, at the beginning and got rushed towards the end. Other than that (and yes, I am KGS member but nowhere near your skill) - great video and quite helpful. More analysis is always appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.

[@gaijinmika]

Great commentary, very useful and clear ! For a noob in go like me, this is gold ! Thanks a lot, and keep on rocking at Go ! :D

[@jakevikoren]

I really appreciate all of your guidance! It is invaluable in my progression while playing this beautiful game :D

[@Malote17]

What a wonderful way to start the year, seeing a "live" video from dwyrin :D

[@SasukeyoUchiha]

I liked this very very much I feel like this helped a whole lot! Please continue this as a Series even if its not as easy to set up, thx for the effort bat!

[@DevinFraze]

Really awesome video. One of my favorites that you've done. I'm only 7k now, so not quite strong enough to get a lot out of reviewing games myself, but watching you review them is gold. Thanks!

[@MegaMarty99]

why has it taken me this long to find your channel!? amazingly helpful video (one of many by you actually) I look forward to more awesome content and going through your older videos. +1 sub!

[@dwyrin]

MegaMarty99 Glad you found me! Enjoy the channel~

[@PhenomUprising]

Wow! That video was useful. It's actually the best review I ever saw online in terms of easy and helpful explanations! And fun too! I really hope you make it a series! ^_^

[@arp1407]

Awesome video (hopefully series)!!! The board is definitely easier to follow. Thanks

[@waikeong8735]

I first watched this lecture a 2 years back when I was still 5 kyu, and it felt hard to understand. Now watching it as a 2D, I could follow along Batt's variations and reading, and it was really insightful! Great lecture!

[@MrGoMaster]

Nice change of video präsentation^^ and it was good to follow. i started to watch this video and couldnt stop. i like how you present your way of thinking during a game and on which points!!! i think a second video like this would be interesting!

[@CrazyChaoticCarnival]

Love the potential for a series here. Studying pro games is something I was just about getting ready to start doing seriously.

[@cuc9605]

Thank you for sharing. Your presentation was enjoyable to watch and it helped to know that you also did not review the game before. You made it appear very easy and enjoyable. I made some notes where you stress the importance of sente and what you can do. It was interesting to see how it seemed rather sudden (at the end of the game) that White was behind. The most confusing part was the end of the game. I wondered if the Black group on the upper edge was still alive if White could make enough liberties for himself and why Black did not take the Ko and smash White. I was also confused about the number of points each player had. But after staring at the board for a couple of minutes, I convinced myself that Black won by a large margin and that White was just grasping at straws.

[@PhilippeCarphin]

Yes and the idea of a series on "How to Study Games" is really appealing to me.

[@PhilippeCarphin]

Wow!! I really love the board setup! I have to say I really enjoy it more this way. Really nice!

[@TylerProvick]

I really enjoyed this format and hope to see many more like it.

[@RobinTan]

nice explanation there! hope you will make more of it. I really like the way you explain in the beginning part of this video where you explain about the point of some moves.. like this is small as this gives us around 9 points and stuffs, this move is not going to work coz of this and that.. it really helps a lot in understanding the game. great job!

[@johabee]

Ha! He's alive, and has hands! Love to hear those stones clickin' :-) nice to see/hear amidst all that digital go

[@joshuawhitlock8938]

You are a tad more skilled then you let on and flippin' adorable! XD High five for a great video and hope to see you on KGS

[@fragmentsofgame]

finally on a real board!. Decent setup. Hearing the board is great. Don't worry for putting exactly the stones in place. I'm missing some tips to the close fighting moves. probably the last ones. Good review . Waiting for the series.

[@westronic]

Thank you! I shared this with my Go Club in Arizona

[@stephenkullas3369]

Great choice for the game! Keep them coming.

[@Boobyzas]

Just keep going, what you do is amazing.

[@mohdfaizal7717]

all this time trying to undesrtand all the talk about a pro game... i actually found one.. thx man.... u clearly explain ths game to me.. keep up ur good work... i'm still learning tho... peace...

[@tokinonagare27]

Nice video! Hope to see more of these on the real board. :) By the way, even without the exchange in the top right (from camera perspective), the ladder starting from the left side fight was good for black.

[@QuanYin71]

Bat , thanks for showing this vid. You make Go seem so simple :)

[@EIectricEmotions]

I recently just started playing this game, and all I can say is: I wanna be the very best, that no one ever was.

[@Burps___]

EIectricEmotions You should get there in about 66 years, give or take a decade. 😀

[@videotape5007]

lol yeah everyone does

[@vasilisdaltas4833]

EIectricEmotions are you any good after 4 years

[@paysonfox88]

Fuseki, joseki are my friends , and framework is my cause. I will travel across the board, fighting near and faaaarrr! attack weak stones for benefit,-- as I move up to DAAAAANNNN!!!! Basics are my best friend, you teach me and I teach you "badduk mooooonnn!!!"

[@19tb89]

i like this format a lot. for me, it's easier and more fun to follow a review on a real board.

[@EskilVarenius]

Excellent game review dwyrin! I really like it alot, and I would really enjoy more reviews from you on a real board. One question: Where do you find your pro games to go review? If you want you could perhaps also review some classic games e.g. Shusaku etc. Would be great to hear your thoughts on such games.

[@leytnerj]

Josh excellent video, I have a question and maybe an Idea for a set of videos, how to study openings and josekys, I want to learn how to play more with and against orthodox, kobayashi, sanrensei, and the rest, and discover why some things are considered good, risky or bad, like the 2 points long knight extension from the 4/4 point that we always play only one point small knight. I hope you understand my doubt after all this paragraph.

[@dwyrin]

Hmmm probably not for 15kyu, though i have heard of having some people walk through pro games just to get a feel for proper direciton, even if they dont understand it. I would just focus on playing and reading eyes, liberties, large points, not following opponent around the board at that level, though.

[@MrShikasta]

best lecture for a while..thx

[@Maddlynz]

Very helpful! Please make more like this

[@avdwoude]

Very nice explanation, it was easy enough to follow although in the end it went slightly too fast for me, but that is what the pause button is for. I am still too much of beginner to understand everything, but I definitely learned something. Keep these videos coming. :-D

[@serenityindeed]

Really liked the video, I've been struggling to become more than a newbie player and these kind of videos are very helpful!

[@dwyrin]

Hope they help, serenity!

[@gomezz8767]

Thank you for this great video!

[@Dyarob]

Pretty nice commentary, thank you very much for that :) Pro games are sometimes so tricky to study...

[@lschi001]

Thank you for this video! I liked it very much!

[@e4jasperi]

Thank you for this! Please don't stop making these videos. It's awesome to have english speaking go teachers. One question tho, Why the profound hate for Kos?

[@Vega2k4]

thank you so much for this. u really are my hero!

[@toddtrimble2555]

Well done! Some very thoughtful commentary there, although I personally would have to slow down a little over the ko battle. :-) What's your current ranking?

[@nathanielmatychuk3400]

So intriguing!

[@Utopian149]

Please do much more, even vintage games would be perfect because you can compare and contrasts modern vs vintage tendencies and motivations. Very nice game review tho.

Your lectures are really valuable dude!!!!

[@dwyrin]

Glad you like them! ive recently purchased a better camera to get back into creating these

Perfect! I am looking forward to it.

[@samlichtenstein]

I (12k?) definitely enjoyed this video and I encourage you to do a series in this format. (Although I like all the go videos you do, so whatever. The citybuilding game videos don't do it for me so much. :-)

[@senohpoxas88]

Really enjoyed this, thanks!

[@Thofte]

it was awesome. Please more!!!

[@Kexeessen]

Thank you very much for this video! I recently bought "Invincible" and wondered how to study the games. As I started, I just searched the kifu for the next number and placed it on the board, pausing every few moves to look at the board and trying to understand. But I kind of didn't ask myself what would be the next move. Maybe because I think too lowly (?) of my skills and that I wouldn't guess right anyway... So I just kept putting the stones in order, waiting for the next comment in the book to come. But, oh well, didn't help me, because I wasn't paying attention to the GAME, but only to the NUMBERS in the book... Not effective. I guess I have to try it your way :D

[@mag1cuser]

excellent lecture once again :)

[@ktbaduk]

I enjoyed this am only 14kyu but I can see the potential in a pro game series even if your only a ddk you can still look for good shape and see how pros handle ko fights and life and death.

[@Hugh_Jasssss]

Excellent video.

[@dorothykremer6141]

I have watched many professional GO study games, and so far yours is the easiest to understand. thank you

[@thanatos167]

Typical Bat >.> playing 2 black moves in a row at the end. Also, it feels like you don't sacrifice enough. The feeling of the crap-ton of aji in the big sac, the feeling of having so much power, is just beautiful. That aji gave Lee Changho so much sente that it becomes extremely easy to read out anything and make the game simple (at a dan level). Sometimes, you think the darnedest things, but you cater to your audience, most of whom are kyute and would run it out. It's beautiful.

[@hyuend]

i learned a lot from your video! thanks!! :D

[@coreygraham860]

Are there any programs that print game moves in list form rather than diagram form? I'd like to start reviewing games on a real board, but I think the diagrams would spoil the moves.

[@criggeruk]

Yeah, like the real board. I'd really like to see a game you lose, and then the week after and analysis of it and why you think you lost. this would help me analyse my own fails and look for ways to improve, cheers.

[@bustaballs]

He's blind but manages to play go through his super power of echo location.

[@vladi1Z]

The game was so simple up until somewhere near 45:00 when the whole board started being a huge battlefield of headaches x_x

[@dwyrin]

Cause i forgot to show that white took the ko and black pushes through thus forcing white to resign the game.

[@geodude501]

Great video, would love to see a series on a goban. One comment: It'd be helpful if you could flip the video so that we see the board from your perspective. Thanks!

[@senohpoxas88]

Is there anyway you can make a playlist of all of your videos in this series? Or a go section in your channel? You have a lot of things to comb through to find these.

[@Gilikman]

Hey bat, in the fuseki, why did you suggest the one space encloser in the top right corner instead of the knight one? isn't enclosing high bad, because b can take the middle top first and because of his corner on the top left make it a fair framework?

[@chenbaosen]

I like the board view batt! =)

[@eikons]

If you mean the game that Shikamaru plays, that's Shogi, which is very very different. I don't know if Go came up in the series at a later point. I've seen up to ep 200 or so.

[@TheDvmitto]

keep doing these!

[@dwyrin]

Glad to hear~

[@stefanholbek2449]

I'm a chessplayer and have absoluuuuuutely no clue what's GOing on here ... But I got interested! ;O) You guyz may have heard all the bad jokes ... but they are new to me ... so: I'll have a GO at it !!! (hihihihahahoho ... okay, Stefan ... you can stop laughing now ...)

[@pckcentral]

you put more stone to surround opponet stone . in end more space win the game. need lots of thinking and stragedy.

[@pckcentral]

go to tygem get the membership free to play from 18k lowest lank.

[@rohanneelala6015]

18k is the lowest rank.. i know people who have been playing for 3 years and only just got to 19k lol

[@oscarsilva4529]

Clear. Thanks bro.

[@incomparableGrimaud]

While watching your video, I was understanding everything in the game. I said to myself:" Boy, am I smart!" But at the moment your explanations stopped, it was back to my former not so bright self. Bonjour la désillusion. Anyway, thank you.

[@frodwith]

It seemed to me that you looked at this game primarily from black's perspective. Do you usually review games from one player's perspective? Also, absolutely loved this. If you wanted to stream with your webcam for your semi-weekly lessons, I would not complain at all ;)

[@Apressadinho]

Thank you a lot!

[@BFPBFPBFPBFP]

In your research have you encountered any games which had one player completely destroyed who, through some freak series of serendipitous moves, managed to win? Could you feature a couple of those? Also, have you done the Hiroshima Bomb game? It would be nice to see that one narrated as well.

[@fragmentsofgame]

you can try gokifu.com, updated every day (and classics too)

[@dorgenarkify]

During the End game and around 53 minutes into the video instead of B (18,7) wouldn't a stronger move be B (13,7) putting W (13-6) in an atari and potentially threatening White by possibly making use of B (15,6)?

[@TheRectangularVerb]

I loved the video. Why did black get two moves in the end? The last two moves were black, it seems to me...

[@dwyrin]

on my channel you can view my playlists containing these. my lists of playlists should be close to the bottom.

[@blavalleesimon1]

I don't know where to comment but the two last moves of the game are played by black. In fact I have no Idea wath can be big enough to avoid White from winning the ko and therefore the game....can you help me?

[@christopherholfeld8137]

i noticed that 2 but it didn't really matter with white resigning what extra stone white had

[@Baobei666]

don't you like to be able to save variation on a client rather than real board?

[@eikons]

I just tried rotating it 180 degrees and it looks really odd because of the perspective. I'd rather look at it the way it is. Not much of a hassle to figure out what you mean by "right side" or "left side".

[@strichnein1]

Love it

[@adimeshort]

"don't ask how I set this up..." lol, immediately thought duct tape

[@HarpinIlya]

Great lesson. What kind of stones are you using? They just sound great!

[@dwyrin]

Just glass on an agathis board

[@HarpinIlya]

dwyrin Thanks. Could you give me a link to the place I can buy a board like this?

[@barubarusetto]

Hey man, that Ko fight was pretty much over once white had no chance of either taking the black group, securing the west side and invading black's north territory, and cutting off the large black group at 10-9 like you mentioned. Because white's 3 stones are dead in the south, there's no way for white to kill it even if he won the KO. In my opinion it was kind of surprising that white didn't resign after he couldn't fight for the large group because he seemed behind in points most of the time

[@jed424]

BRO I HEART U

[@NomNomMonster]

I'm a beginner Go player. I've recently gotten the hang of playing on a 9x9 board and I want to move on to the 19x19 board. My question is how do you count up the score at the end of this game? Because this board is much larger than 9x9 the territories are much more confusing/ambiguous to me. I can't really tell what parts of the board black owns and what parts of the board white owns. Any way you could explain it?

[@NomNomMonster]

+Gordon Gips From what I'm guessing, I can see that black most likely has control of the bottom right territory and even some of the upper right territory. I'm guessing the middle is mostly dead spaces since there are too many white and black pieces mingling next to each other for either to claim as their own territory. Still unclear to me who owns more of the upper and left corners of the board still. Am I even correct about the upper and lower right sections?

[@willeonfly]

+Gordon Gips actually，there are two major way of caculating the result：the chinese way and japanese way.chinese way is fill the stones fully into every single eyes with same color of each stone（white into white，black into black）then just count each total number of stones，see who has more stones;

[@willeonfly]

+Gordon Gips the japanese way ：after the end of game，just fill all the dead stones into each own eyes（white DEAD stone into white'eyes，black dead stones into black'S EYES)，then simply count who has more eyes left

[@josephlevy6254]

I have only been playing for a few months, so this might be a dumb question, but couldn't white have taken the large black group at 10-9? I tried to do a play through and it seemed like he could have captured. I'm not sure if that would have been enough to win, but it would have made the game much closer if he could.

[@ivang.santiagoc1921]

La comunidad latina agradecería mucho que éstos vídeos tan pedagógicos sean editados en ESPAñOL.

[@simonjager9259]

This Video happened before AlphaGo, thats the jumping point. The Differenz between baduk and Risiko is, that in Risiko there is always the possibility to get your ground destroyed. There are no safety eyes as in iGo!

[@victorwalters1036]

this is awesome

[@dwyrin]

Could be a beginner thing. If the game is very territorial then you may wind up fighting over everything which can clutter the board up quite a bit. However,if you're always playing just next to each others stones...and not seeing the larger part of the board, definitely beginner thing.

[@weedoctor1]

I liked your video, can i ask how strong u are?

[@Stdvwr]

at 49:15 I don't see black's move as a connection. White can just cut through that elephant's eye and black's further cut would do nothing as white had 2 ways to connect. I mean, in that position b could still do nasty things to w, but nothing more than he could do immediately after white's hane. So why doesn't white cut that thing or why did he hane in the first place?