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[@ii3lazelordz267]

11:09 From the books I've read? Selina never really kills anyone unless someone goes out of their way to do something awful to people she cares about Considering that Daggett did make a virus that almost killed both her and her cat, it's sort of in character for Selina to think of him as "too much of a risk to let him live"

[@FatherMellow]

Birds of Prey is one group and Gotham City Sirens is another.

[@Kaileigh_Broko]

Batgirl and Robin are Amazing together.

[@PrixtoTNT]

I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with Barbara herself having a bit of a crush on Batman. Idk I find it kinda cute. Now of course, the problem comes from when it's not one sided... damn, The Killing Joke movie left a stain forever... just why? Also, as much as I don't think it's wrong for her to have a crush on Batman, the Robin dynamic just works so much better. 5:06 cute!

[@asura7915]

its not just the killing joke , scenes in batman beyond and some of the animated movies make it clear that they are/were together at some point

[@andtheneverythingchangedwh5234]

There was a great Batgirl Catwoman team up in the comic book, where Batgirl chases Catwoman all around the city. At the end she earns Catwoman's respect. Catwoman started out as a villian but never really was a murderer. She was a thief and always has had chemistry with Batman. When DC Comics launched Catwoman's own comic book in 1993 she became an anti-hero. Now she's considered part of the Batfamily or at least an ally. She's very different from Bruce. Bruce is a martyr and an idealist. Selina is a survivor and and a realist. This has been a consistant source of conflict between her and Bruce, but they are totally endgame. Also Catwoman has mentored a few fellow thieves at various points in the comic books.

[@MMCC-1]

The problem was never Bruce Timm. The fixation on Bruce/Barbara was always a key contribution by ALAN BURNETT (Producer/story editor for most of these shows/movies). Careful going any further if you want to avoid *light* spoilers: - Michael Reeves came up with the dream sequence idea in ''Batgirl Returns'' that Burnett approved (1994 - BTAS). - Alan Burnett suggested the actual failed romance angle in 'Batman Beyond' (1999) - Both Alan Burnett (Producer) and Michael Reeves (writer) made it more overt in 'Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman' (2003). A movie Bruce Timm had NO involvement in. - The pregnancy storyline from the 'Batman Beyond comic' had nothing to do with anyone from the DCAU team and is NOT canon. - Once again, Alan Burnett and Brian Azzarello had the idea of using it as a plot device for the newly created prologue in 'Batman: The Killing Joke'. Something Timm apparently had to be convinced about. Should Timm have put his foot down and refused? Yeah, probably, but to blame him for all of this is just unfair, yet the internet runs with it anyway because he was the figurehead.

[@andrewj.browncomics7348]

Really? I’m confused because I always heard that Bruce Timm specifically liked the chemistry between Adam West and Yvonne Craig from the 60’s. I never heard or read an interview with him that stated that, but everyone that talks about this relationship always brings that specific point up. Do you know where that story of Timm got started?

[@MMCC-1]

@@andrewj.browncomics7348 Yes, I remember that too, and he certainly went along with the story ideas that others suggested in BTAS and BB (Knowing it would challenge the viewers). However, since 2016, the narrative that he has some weird Bruce/Babs fetish has gotten out of control and is shocking that people are willing to dismiss 30+ years of great work for one questionable film.

[@DanielBeadle511]

Robin: Year One and Batgirl: Year One are a great pair of books that were later collected into a single volume in 2013. The same creators worked on both, so there's a consistent tone throughout. Highly recommended. Not only is Barbara incorruptible, she also never gave up fighting crime even after becoming paraplegic. As Oracle, she teamed up with the other female vigilantes in Gotham to create the Birds of Prey. The adaptations don't really do that series justice.

[@cmrobbins88]

Yeah Bruce Timm has this weird thing about putting Batman and Batgirl together or implying they have a thing for each other. Love his work but he’s got some sort of kink…

[@killmonger5097]

They were definitely together no implying needed and him and Dick had a huge falling out over it

[@Enkijamenk]

I feel like he's one of those guys that can't separate his own internal crushes from his characters? Like, maybe he had a crush on Batgirl as a kid, or has a thing for petite redheads in-general, and just _has_ to transpose it onto Bruce, because he was too old by this point to relate to Dick? Though, to be fair, it does make sense for this version of Barbara to have a crush of her own on Batman. I'm with Meg, though, it doesn't need to be here, and doesn't serve the story in any way, so, again, feels like weird wish fulfillment. And Timm is still weirdly oblivious to everyone's ick factor, here. He gets very defensive when anyone brings it up. He doesn't seem to get that the age difference isn't people's biggest issue, it's the whole "Bruce is best friends forever with her dad/Bruce is a quasi-mentor to her/Bruce is a father figure to her sometimes-boyfriend." Good God, that's about sixteen kinds of problematic right there.

[@Frogman1212]

​​​@@azathoth528Hope you don't know about the dcau comics

[@jonasquinn7977]

To be fair it’s less a kink and more just having a ship he likes and having the ability to push it. It’s a weird ship sure but that’s pretty much it.

[@jonasquinn7977]

@@Xehanort10 Eh it’s not like he pushed it constantly and be honest, if you had an opportunity to push one of your ships wouldn’t you?

[@d-manthecaptain1382]

Didja notice him! Look, the character who they interigate at 7:27 is Doctor Sivana, the arch nemesis of Billy Batson, otherwise known as the original Captain Marvel.

[@akamisdarth]

"I think bruce timm is a little weird" SOOOOOO true

[@passionsquietrage]

Weird, but we wouldn't have this series without him.

[@williamrobinson4513]

Bruce Tymm has been known for pushing the boundaries in kids shows (I do agree with you, Meg. Personally I don't need to know how dark Bruce's DARK IMAGINATION is. I just enjoy the series and like that he doesn't go too far).

[@lithiumgreen105]

I really can’t wait for you to tackle Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. There are a couple of great female-centric episodes in those series that are so well-written and dynamic.

[@killmonger5097]

I gotta rewatch this series I got the whole blueray collection

[@jccw227]

Yeah the whole Batman/Batgirl shipping Bruce Timm hasn’t really sat well with fans. I know it’s why The Killing Joke isn’t as well received as some of the other films.

[@passionsquietrage]

I don't get why fans have an issue with it at all. They're both consenting adults so why does it matter?

[@demianoff]

That "oh grow up" hits different.

[@AnalyticalMenace]

How so?

[@demianoff]

it contrast so harshly with Batgirls naive heroic optimism and Catwoman's jaded cynical villainy. that it it makes me feel bad for batgirl who is genuinely trying to help selina.@@AnalyticalMenace

[@kayokango]

To be fair, the whole thing between Batman and the Barbara Gordon version of Batgirl goes way farther back than Bruce Timm. There was some flirting going on between them in the Adam West Batman series, and keep in mind that is where the Barbara Gordon version of Batgirl made her debut to the world. Bruce x Barbara whether full on or not, is as old as the character herself.

[@derpy501st2]

I wonder if you’ll get to justice league and justice league unlimited

[@Rocket1377]

I don't mind Batgirl dreaming about Batman. I mean, it's understandable, and she did base her superhero identity on him. Plus, it's specifically Batman who she is attracted to, not Bruce Wayne (she doesn't know they are the same person). It's when Batman/Bruce starts reciprocating her affections that it gets weird. He's almost twice her age, she is his best friend Jim Gordon's daughter, and Bruce has enough love interests already (Vicki Vale, Catwoman, Talia al Ghul, Wonder Woman, etc....).

[@passionsquietrage]

Why does it matter if he's friends with her father or a lot older than her? They're both consenting adults so it really shouldn't be that big of an issue.

[@LordNifty]

Don't forget about the episode "Heart of Ice", which won a Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Writing in an Animated Program.

[@Sandlund93]

The chicken soup is a big WTF moment though. That always ruined it for me. The backstory is great, ofc. It has some awesome moments too.

[@JW666]

If there is a comic/cartoon where Barbara/Batgirl gets corrupted, then it's an Elseworld story & not the canon universe.

[@StreetHierarchy]

5:37 "Trick us"?? Girrrl, ain't nobody in Batman's rogues gallery scared of Barbara Gordon! That was an obvious dream sequence!

[@rogertemple7193]

It is really great to see Batgirl again she is an awesome character.🦇🦇

[@nedzed3663]

Look into Gotham Sirens or Birds of Prey to see Barbara's relationships with other female heroes and even anti heroes. Also, Batgirl will have a much more consistent partnership with Supergirl more than Catwoman in the DCAU from what I remember about these cartoons, especially once Superman and Batman episodes start to crossover. Catwoman I have no idea what happened with her character in the New Adventures of Batman show that coincided with the Superman TAS. Was she around? I remember not liking her redesign but not much else. Oh the Barbara/Bruce relationship extended into the Batman Beyond show that followed up TAS, it's referenced constantly despite the two not even being on good terms by then. It's hinted as the reason Dick stopped speaking to Bruce altogether according Barbara. It even poured into the initial run of the Batman Beyond comics that were a continuation of the cartoon, we aren't done with THAT weirdness for a while, Lol

[@pricemoore2022]

Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of Batman The Animated Series!!!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@davidhanson9280]

Yeah, Bruce Timm is very respected for bringing us Batman: The Animated Series and the DCAU in general, but most people agree that the Batman/Batgirl dynamic implications are one of his missteps.

[@passionsquietrage]

Why is it a misstep though?

[@davidhanson9280]

@@passionsquietrage In her first appearance, which is techinically "Heart of Steel", Bruce says "Barbara, you've grown". This would imply its been a long time since the last time he saw her, and being she's about Dick's age in this show, (either 18 or 19), Bruce has probably known her since she was underage. Also, Bruce knows Jim Gordon, and Robin's Reckoning shows that he's known him for AT LEAST 9 years, which means, he could've met Barbara when she was VERY young. Not to mention that Barbara dates Dick Grayson, both in the Subzero movie, and comics/most depictions, so Bruce, being Dick's paternal figure, would effectively be getting involved with his son's ex, in addition to potentially being a groomer. While Bruce Timm had to keep it 'appropriate' in the DCAU, the killing joke shows where his mind's at when there's no restrictions. It just casts an otherwise excellent depiction of Batman in a bad light.

[@passionsquietrage]

@@davidhanson9280 So being romanticly involved with someone he's known for years makes him a groomer and puts him in a bad light? Babs clearly had no issue with it and Jim didn't seem to care who his daughter dated. Dick didn't seem to mind it either. Seems some fans are the only ones who have a problem with it.

[@davidhanson9280]

@@passionsquietrage I hope you're trolling. Batman Beyond states that Dick DID have a problem with it, and saying Jim didn't care is an interesting conclusion to come to, since we've only ever seen him be aware of Barbara and Dick's relationship, and Bruce and Dick were one of the only confirmed relationships she had in the DCAU. Honestly, Bruce established himself as her mentor first, so yes there's a problematic power dynamic there. And if you think there's no issue being with someone when you've known them since they were a teenager/child when you were already an adult, that could mean that YOU'RE the problem, not other fans.

[@passionsquietrage]

@@davidhanson9280 I'm not trolling, I actually didn't know that about Batman Beyond, Dick clearly let it go though. I guess love booming between a mentor and mentee is a bad thing for some reason. We don't know how old Babs was when she first met Bruce, so we can't say for sure how long they've known each other. I've seen things like that happen in real life and in other media and this is the only case that triggers people so heavily. I don't see why love suddenly booming between two people who have known each other for years is a bad thing.

[@foreverkent2225]

There isn’t any batgirl going bad material that I’m aware of, at least not Barbara Gordon batgirl. Definitely not in the animated series continuity anyway. As for the stories of nuanced villains trying to be good as more interesting, sometimes I like them, but I also think it’s necessary for them to revert to crime at some point. Most of them are in some way reflections of Batman and the villains reverting to crime and not being able to move forward or have a real life, mirrors how Bruce is never able to truly move passed his parents death, so he and all his villains are mentally trapped in this space where they can’t move passed their trauma or whatever it is that led them to crime. It’s not a very optimistic outlook, and personally I like to think there’s hope for everyone, but Batman and the world of Gotham have never been very optimistic in tone.

[@mmxxiii9503]

2:58 stop, get some help bruce

[@andtheneverythingchangedwh5234]

Catwoman isn't in the Birds of Prey Harley Quinn movie but it's all about girl power and involves some great female team ups.

[@perchancetodream1]

Continue the show with The New Batman Adventures. The art style changes, but you'll definitely enjoy the episodes such as Girls Night Out featuring multiple characters and Mad Love, which goes deeper into the Harley/Joker relationship.

[@passionsquietrage]

The art style change came with a few unnecessary character redesigns.

[@johnpittsii7524]

Hi Meg hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤

[@TheCryptofHorrors-DerCryptaxis]

That is Birds of Prey you're wanting to see, it was pretty good just lost in the shuffle of 2019 superhero films

[@akamisdarth]

Oracle year one is just one issue so you'll get through it pretty fast

[@edward18517]

Bruce Timm says in the DVD special features (I think of this season) that they did the Barbara/Bruce Wayne thing because it felt "wrong".

[@stevetheduck1425]

The 'Birds of Prey' comic did bring this dynamic back. Barbara becomes Oracle, and coordinates several heroines in a parallel and less obvious way the Gotham heroes, or 'Bat-Family'. Batman finds out and agrees this is a good idea, but Babs runs it. The way that book works is fascinating. Women trying to be professional with each other, but it'a all the personalities clashing in unexpected ways. Babs and Black Canary get close almost against their wills, Power Girl finds the underhanded stuff disgusting, though she can work with Huntress who was a previous pairing, then Catwoman joins, to find no-one trusts her and she simply leaves ( perhaps because Babs is involved with someone else ), then the team collects several more strays, some of whom end up as the Bat-Family's extended band of friends. Then it was all lost in a reshuffle once again. There was actually a 'Birds of Prey' TV series, but it died after only a few episodes, due to total content failure. It's a shame.

[@demianoff]

Im guessing we are looking for a more sophisticated answer than " cause bruce tim is a creep"

[@EalainEP]

I don't inherently mind batgirl just having a crush on batman for a time cause he is a handsome badass guy it's just weird that Bruce timm likes to have it be mutual

[@passionsquietrage]

Why is it weird?

[@EalainEP]

@@passionsquietrage because one is a 30 year old man and the other is like a 19 year old daughter of his close friend

[@passionsquietrage]

@@EalainEP And? As long as they're both consenting adults, age is but a number. Jim is friends with Batman not Bruce Wayne, he has no idea they're the same man, so that shouldn't matter.

[@EalainEP]

@@passionsquietrage no one said they weren’t consenting adults it’s just weird that a grown man would find any attraction in a person so much younger and naive, also yes Jim doesn’t know Bruce is Batman, it’s still Bruce getting with his friend Jim Gordon’s daughter, idk why having an alternate identity would make it not a weird relationship for you

[@passionsquietrage]

@@EalainEP I've seen relationships like that in real life, usually the girl is a gold digger which isn't the case here. You can't control who you fall in love with, and being friends with her father shouldn't make it weird if Pops is cool with it.

[@Biscuit1973]

I’am watching one of these episodes right now which is called Avatar which is pretty good here because I still have the original dvd box set plus I still have it on Blu-Ray disc since dvd & Blu-Ray disc are nearly extinct and all .

[@Guaseth]

I agree about it being just a crush is "harmless" but the actual ship Bruce Timm was pushing is the single worst thing about the whole "Timmverse" and sure there's some other bad stuff too but this is so uncomfortable to watch, specially while they're all pretending there's nothing wrong with it.

[@passionsquietrage]

What's so bad about it?

[@LordNifty]

I prefer not to think of the Bruce/Barbara sexual relationship, especially the part where Bruce knocks up Barbara while Dick is away, and Barbara later miscarries. It is part of the comic adaptation of B:TAS, and I'm not sure if that part is part of the animated canon.

[@GroovyMee]

The dceu comics, most shows ,movies are mainly only loosely connected , heck, even the Arkham games are only loosely connected to BTAS. Like Tim Drake grows and joins the Titans in the Static Shock timeline unlike the Return of The Joker timeline where he doesn't last long as Robin. It's basically what the DCEU felt like .

[@stevetheduck1425]

Batgirl is dreaming about Batman, while Dick is right there at the same university, and Catwoman is the one who shows interest. This episode spawned hundreds of fanfics. ;-)

[@Swenglish]

Birds of Prey and Gotham City Sirens are two loosely defined "girl groups" with rotating lineups and varying relationships with the law.

[@Swenglish]

@T.ELE-GRAM-.YTMegMageReacts No, I didn't, bot.

[@nathancruz9172]

2:47 gets me every time.

[@Harkness78]

I totally ship Barbara and Bruce. Makes perfect sense to me. Maybe not the healthiest relationship, but I don't see any problem at all. Every fictional relationship needs to have completely equal power dynamics? 40 year olds aren't allowed to date 20 year olds? Killing Joke is not a ver good animated adaptation, and is a seperate continuity. But their romatic arc (ver low-key arc) throughout Batman:TAS and Batman Beyond is really tastefully done. And in any case, if you think it is a bad idea, they don't end up together and both seem to harbor deep resentments by the time of Batman Beyond, so it turns out it Wasn't a good idea. Turns out Bruce isn't perfect, who Knew!!!

[@AnthonySmith-bj9mo]

hi Meg

[@infamous_ivan]

I really hate that Batman/Batgirl romance, it’s so weird

[@robertrogers074]

We know at least one person that likes it.

[@robertrogers074]

@@DahGabriel-gk2cr the creator Bruce Timm.

[@TheCryptofHorrors-DerCryptaxis]

It makes sense as a one-off daydream but but only once. I did notice the roles for that kinda old scenario were reversed in the dialog this time, like louis saves superman instead kinda thing

[@CitizenPain_p90]

I thought she and Robin had a thing going on at some point. In the comics, I mean.

[@KaylasStarWorld]

It didn't bother me only cause this was implied in Batman beyond years ago, so I just thought it was a thing. Terry the future Batman meets Barbara who at this time is the police commissioner and they talk about how she was dating Dick back in collage but she says it was just puppy love and one day they just stopped and never talked about it, one day Dick couldn't stand to be in Bruce's shadow so he left and was hurt that Barbara choose to stay with Bruce instead of leaving with him and was implied that she and Bruce were dating but she couldn't see a future with Bruce cause of his obsession with batman so she eventually left him and all 3 stopped keeping contact with each other.

[@SungJaeUng3]

@MegMage Reacts ...have you read Haunting Adeline?

[@Sandlund93]

I would recommend Mask of the Phantasm and Batman & Mr. Freeze: Subzero after season 2. They are definitely on par with some of the best episodes of the series.

[@arobin6695]

i love the barbra/bruce romance

[@arobin6695]

@@fynnthefox9078 its definitely weird but ill take weird and shocking over boring and standard and predictable any day, much more interesting

[@passionsquietrage]

I don't see how it's weird or a bad thing.

[@Kevykev2007]

I hope you watch The New Batman Adventures AKA Season 3 of the show it's got some of the best episodes in the whole series also check out Batman Beyond too that's an amazing show that tells the end of this Batman's story

[@kaybaumann4989]

I LOVE BTAS, the DCAU and most things Bruce Timm has been involved over the decades… that said the dude has been obsessed with having Batgirl fuck Batman. Why? Maybe she was his first crush but it’s in the show pretty early on that she has a crush on him, the dream sequence here is just the official starting gun. Didn’t care as a kid and don’t like it as an adult, it’s one of the worst things about the DCAU in my book. That said the worst part of that ship thankfully only appeared in a comic set with in the DCAU so you can thankfully just ignore it (even if you’ve seen his terrible take on “The Killing Joke”). As for Selina I’m pretty sure the honeymoon phase is about to be over. Looking back the romance in BTAS is a more one sided thing from Bruce’s side. The BTAS/TNBA related comics give a reason for her new more comic accurate look in the TNBA episodes and why Bruce and her can’t work in this universe but you’ll see (check the Batman Adventures comics for more great stories), I love them together in the comics but this was never gonna end well. All your questions regarding who knows who secret identity will be answered.

[@passionsquietrage]

What's so bad about it? They're both consenting adults so it's not like it's creepy or anything like that.

[@matthewmckinnon-gray9957]

I wonder if Bruce Timm’s Babs/Bruce thing might partially be a generational issue. Timm would’ve been around 6 years old when Barbara was introduced. Robin was still largely played as a kid at the time so Babs was periodically depicted as potential love interest for Bruce. The Dick/Babs thing really started to pick up steam in the late 70s after Dick was aged up to be a college kid and started teaming up with Babs regularly in Batman Family. So it’s possible he imprinted on Bruce/Babs at an early age and missed the Dick/Babs stuff. Timm’s definitely not the only older creator who does this. Len Wein attributed Barbra’s choice of a Batgirl costume to her having a crush on Bats as a teenager in Untold Legend of The Batman #3

[@9791mij]

A lot verbal Bananas

[@jojap.3790]

You should watch the Harley Quinn series. Harley and Ivy ftw. ;)

[@classicghostrider2715]

The Batman/Batgirl relationship is the equivalent of your dad hooking up with the girl of your dreams. No one likes it, and it makes Batman look like a D-bag. Also DC had this weird thing about pimping Barbara out to every member in the Batfamily. She’s been with Tim, Luke, Bruce and Dick which is the only one they should do. Won’t be long before Damian gets a go, or Alfred.

[@classicghostrider2715]

@@mariebourgot4949 She marries Tim in Arkham Knight. It’s beyond weird, she also wears a necklace that says FG on it, you know for Flying Graysons? She dated Luke in the comics, I don’t remember for how long, but it was a thing in the New 52 pre Rebirth runs. They’ve teased a relationship between her and Jason a couple of times, the first that I remember was in Batman Eternal, and then in the 3 jokers story line. Then Finally there’s Batdaddy stealing his sons girl and it gets way creepier in the Batman Beyond tie in Comics cause he knocks her up and then she miscarried. That’s one of the reasons why Dick isn’t around. It literally feels like they’re just trying to have the whole Batfamily have a go at her and it bugs me to no end.

[@passionsquietrage]

How is it like your dad hooking up with the girl you like? There are actually a lot of people that have no issues with it, so saying no one likes it is completely false.

[@directly5219]

Hello! I think you missed to react to the episode "Mudslide". Are you going to react to it? Love your reactions btw!

[@jasonseipler2665]

All these anti-Batman/Batgirl romance comments amuse me. I think, whether anyone approves or not, its pretty realistic. I don't want to give spoilers, but whatever develops does so naturally, and probably with the appropriate reservations and reactions of all the characters involved. Also, everyone involved is a consenting adult, so chillax.

[@Darktrooper99]

Well said.

[@clwnprnce1837]

Yes, Batman/Bruce Wayne is not an individual to "take advantage " of someone. In fact that's what he fights against! If something develops with Barbara (an adult) then it's something of meaning. He simply doesn't have time for anything less.

[@passionsquietrage]

I honestly don't get why it bothers some people so much. Like you said, they're both consenting adults so who cares?

[@Mercurial_Phantom]

Stop it, Bruce Timm 🤢

[@traviswallace]

Please finish SEVERANCE

[@arobin6695]

all of batman's female villains get redeemed and become anti-heroes, its kinda lame

[@9791mij]

To be fair Barara lack of original codename kind of make her sound like a fan girl

[@9791mij]

@@mariebourgot4949 Some fans, til to have romantic or sexual feelings about the person. Plus in some cases We are some times are attracted to one that have similarities with family members whether they know it or not. And sometimes our first meeting full grown adults is our parents friends.

[@stevetheduck1425]

Sidekicks at first had different codenames: Cat-Man and Kitten, Star-Spangled Kid and Stripesey, Crimson Avenger and Wing. The later Bulletman / girl, Hawkman / girl, Superman / girl, Batman / girl thing starts with those guys, and ended soon after. For example, Green Lanterns are all Green Lantern. Flash never had a kid sidekick, Kid Flash was a teen version invented for the Teen Titans in the 1960s.

[@passionsquietrage]

I personally don't get why people have such an issue with Bruce and Babs being a thing. They're both consenting adults so what's the issue? I don't see how it could make anyone umcomfortable, it's like Bruce isn't allowed to love anyone besides Tahlia or Selina to some people.

[@BlackLotus2077]

Bruce Timm’s biggest L will always be this weird Batman/Batgirl fetish he has. No one wants it. Even Timm fans will admit that relationship doesn’t work and will never work.

[@passionsquietrage]

What's so bad about it?

[@johna19977]

Bruce the groomer kinda creepy ngl

[@larryclowers]

Yes. The Birds of Prey are the all female DC team. But don't watch the movie. It stinks

[@Regenmacher175]

The DCAU's constant fixation on shipping Bruce Wayne with Barbara Gordon is quite disturbing. Is Bruce Timm behind that nonsense or did someone else come up with that terrible idea?

[@passionsquietrage]

How is it disturbing if they're both consenting adults?

[@stevetheduck1425]

Notice this episode of BTAS is about how Batgirl dreams of Batman, while Dick is knocking on her window, and Catwoman is the only one who shows interest? That tittle dynamic lasted for a decade, complicated by Koriand'r living in Dick's apartment.

[@Filbi]

Frankly I think Bruce Timm is just a creep and an edgelord. He's a very talented animator but when he doesn't have to answer to network standards and practices his work gets bad real fast.

[@Filbi]

As far as pairings go personally, I always preferred Dick with Starfire and Babs with Black Canary ;P

[@Chunky.monkey69420]

Anyone else think she should watch Batman beyond because terry is a menace he needs respect

[@passionsquietrage]

She definitely needs to watch it since it's directly connected to this series.