Bathroom Renovation #7 - Bath Surround

[@d.beaumont9157]

I am really enjoying this bathroom build, Rodger. It really got to me when you talked about retirement. I know how you feel. I am nearly 66, and as an electrical cable jointer, I'm really enjoying working with my son. I find it physically hard some days, especially in the winter months. It's not until someone points it out that i worry about it. I've no desire to pack in just yet. Ignorance is bliss. In my head, I'm probably in my 30s.

[@SkillBuilder]

I have seen so many of my friends go into rapid decline physically and mentally. Tomorrow they are due to debate the assisted dying bill in Parliament and I can't help thinking that retirement is often assisted dying.

[@mgpetruby]

Thank you Roger for sharing years of experience with us. Your calm demeanor and wit are captivating. Cheers to you, Robin and all the crew!

[@TheChipmunk2008]

Roger it's a pleasure watching you work...I think you're the kinda bloke who makes both the customer and the other tradespeople on site actually enjoy the experience :)

[@SkillBuilder]

I am very glad to hear you say that. I can get a bit grumpy but I am basically happy to be working.

[@markdigby908]

Mate im mostly a commercial plumber but do domestic plumbing as privates, I've always hated them but once I found you on KZbin I have binged watched you and learned so much ! You are a legend and taught me so much its good to see their is still real skilled tradesman out there my hat goes off to you sir would love to buy you a pint! Keep up the amazing work cant wait for the new video- mark from Essex

[@kennethcampbell2323]

Watched all 10 episodes and enjoyed the precision work, well done

[@SkillBuilder]

Thank you very much!

[@mhwatts1]

Love the fact you enjoy what you do so much. Dedicated to doing the best job possible. Very commendable Roger.

[@stewartmcardle8149]

It's hard work being a 100% perfectionist !

[@SkillBuilder]

The hardest work I ever did was callbacks for no money. I decided to do everything I could to reduce them, still they happen sometimes.

[@stewartmcardle8149]

@@SkillBuilder I agree...if a job's worth doing, it's worth doing well. You're such a great communicator nevertheless.

[@colinwalker6042]

Roger Bisby a complete joy to watch and to learn.

[@Leodis.Leather]

That bathroom is going to be really nice! Top quality work 👍🏻

[@lazylad9064]

Its all about the detail rogde. That and quality workmanship 👍👍. Top man👍

[@troyboy4345]

Yet another fine production, by a set of fine tradesmen .... we salute you Roger !

[@dannycorkanon]

Great content best wishes from Ireland 🇮🇪 👏

[@thinkFishcatchFish]

They say you can’t buy experience! Looks like a top job 👏✌️

[@superiorbeing95]

Lovely views out of the window, as always fun to watch.

[@yensabi]

Another great video Roger......👍

[@bodinski100]

Proper job Rog, and what gives me confidence as a young(ish) sole trader bathroom fitter, working mainly on my own doing ALL that you are doing, is that we have the same practices and beliefs.....and you are right, the new tech is a joy to work with when done correctly...hey, you never know, you may be using loctite 577 before you know it hahah ;)

[@SkillBuilder]

Thanks Jon I bought some 577 the other day.

[@bodinski100]

@@SkillBuilder give it a whirl...i tested a load of fittings at home to beyond standard 4-5bar.pressure at home and not one leaked over a month long test at pressure. I had weepy ptfe joints bite me in the ass...3 years of using 577 has been sweet...and, no, im not on commision...looking forward to the finished article....one more question...is it the matt or loose wire UFH you're using....the matting just doesnt have the performance of the loose.imho...cheers

[@ealingbadger]

@@SkillBuilder That Loctite product seems very expensive to me. I like Permatex 80632 (4 USA fl oz / 118ml size) which is a PTFE loaded thread sealant which I originally bought because it is the manufacturer recommended product for sealing pipe joints on my Jeep but it does a great job on plumbing joints as well. It comes with a handy brush attached to the inside of the lid and is a lot faster to use than PTFE tape. It's not cheap, but even so it is still half the price of Loctite 577 and I reckon that one 118ml tin will go one helluva lot further than a bottle of Loctite. I got mine originally from US Automotive in Milton Keynes via eBay but their web site is pants and they no longer seeming to be advertising on eBay either, so here is a link from a different eBay seller: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Permatex-Thread-Sealant-with-PTFE-General-Purpose-Fitting-Sealant-118-ml/292852224661?epid=27026801982&hash=item442f5a5295:g:Cf4AAOSwbKdcCUI4 Permatex is an American outfit and in the 'states they also do a 16 fl oz (American) version which goes by the part number 80633 but I've never seen this on this side of the pond here in the UK.

[@Omglett]

Roger needs Grade 1 listing in the national treasure category

[@normanboyes4983]

You do nice work.😀

[@marieaudreyduchamp8839]

You’re so right about the man in the bathtub looking at the tiles lining

[@SkillBuilder]

Oh it is a man in the bathtub? I though tit was a lady.

[@MarkGarth]

Roger, I wish that the person who did the tiles in my new build had your attention to detail, that way I wouldn't be pursuing a case with NHBC. Great video series by the way.

[@johndaniells4440]

Tiling to the NHBC would be asthetics which I've found they're not too concerned about. They're interest lies in whether the property is structurally sound, water tight and if the drainage is installed correctly. They're the costly things to insure against.

[@MarkGarth]

@@johndaniells4440 Sadly I know, but ended up with them after the building company showed no interest.

[@johndaniells4440]

I hear you mate. I work on new builds and see bad practice a lot. I like to watch Roger's and Robin's channels as they use quality products and want a quality, long lasting finish. Hope u get sorted mate. Good luck.

[@MarkGarth]

@@johndaniells4440 I'm ex military and very persistent 😁 I accept mistakes, but I don't accept people trying to fob me off. If necessary, I'll post photos all over the builders social media sites, although I'd like to hope it won't come to that.

[@Gixer750pilot]

Roger is coming of ages with his golden shower ...... hang on that’s not right

[@jewelcitizen2567]

Great series...

[@MsLushLondon]

I Googled "tile support", but can't seem to find what you have there. Is there another name for it so I can purchase some, please? It's to DIY my bath surround and then tile it.

[@nedloh17]

Another great video Roger. I feel you should have used 45s on that bath waste

[@SkillBuilder]

Dave You are not wrong. I did not have enough room to get the two 45s in and end up where I needed to be but I changed it in the next episode to a straight run with a new hole through the wall.

[@billybobcats5139]

Roger, going back to the issue you had on this video, if the bath mixer has a 1/2 input, is there any point putting in a 22mm pipe? The bath filler I have has a 1/2 female inlet and my triple shower valve has an outlet of the same size. My question, does a larger pipe make any difference when the appliance has a small bore? Or will the flow rate improve by adding in 3/4 adapters and 22mm pipe? Your videos have been a god send. Thank you!

[@SkillBuilder]

There is very little you can do if the flow or pressure is not adequate. Robin had an issue with his bath taps and it turned out to be flux residue in the filters. Once they were cleaned it made a big difference. I use a 22mm pipe out and two 15mm pipes in.

[@ralphsterz2889]

That's going to be be a fantastic bathroom, can you give a clue to its cost or cost of the materials in your next vid? It's a long way from bog standard. Great video!

[@SkillBuilder]

We can do a detailed breakdown later but labour and materials it runs out to around £30K

[@ralphsterz2889]

@@SkillBuilder wow that's out of my league. I did my whole shower for less than £1000, it's walk in with drizzle head, pump, glass panel etc and really really good but wow......... Don't worry about a detailed break down, it just looked a top notch job and I was wondering how expensive perfection was.

[@SkillBuilder]

@@ralphsterz2889 These days I would not look at a bathroom job for less than £10,000. There is way too much in it to get in and out for much less and still make good money and 25 years ago Dolphin bathrooms won a job for £10,000 that I quoted at £3,000. That taught me that price is not the only factor.

[@williamn01]

That's exactly what happens lay in the bath and spot everything which isn't plum n level gduck matey with the rest of the job

[@eastdurhamsolutionsltd7645]

Hi good video. Just a quick question I have been doing building work for 10 years 1.5 ov which for my own company, just wondering what this tile foam is and where I can get it I have Google it after watching this video with no luck thanks

[@scoobydo2]

I love green lasers in my eyes everyday 😜😎

[@SkillBuilder]

I know what you mean, I try not to look at them and never look directly into the beam.

[@rogerwatson5607]

As my old boss would tell me the toilet door is the most important door in the house, every joiner will sit there and scan around the door edge for a consistent gap.

[@SkillBuilder]

How very true, when on the loo watcha gonna do?

[@rogerwatson5607]

Skill Builder is that Wordsworth??

[@SkillBuilder]

@@rogerwatson5607 I think Wordsworth may have tried to claim credit for those lines but they can be traced back to Cicero. The Romans, as we know, were obsessed with plumbing.

[@BestUserNameUK]

How come you didn't do the wiring before boarding the room out? As for that junction box (looks like a Wiska?) it was prob' the only one he had in the van?.. Top job though Roger. Really liking this series of vids'👍🏻

[@TheChipmunk2008]

Just a guess, but from experience, the customer may have just had a vague idea and come up with other ideas as the job progressed. it seems a law that this happens on every job. The huge box (yep definitely a wiska) might be the electrician being sensible (I know I AM one but hear me out...).. the driver may well be tiny, but they get hot. And they don't appreciate humidity. The box might be his (or her) belt and braces approach to making sure the driver doesn't die prematurely? I'd personally have looked for a roofspace or void above that would be accessible and run the LV and mains to there, to allow for the inevitable replacement without relying on waterproof boxes... but i haven't seen the overall site)

[@TheChipmunk2008]

(addition: it's not only the customers who do that, sometimes I (sparks) have a brain(wave/fart) half way thru the job and come up with an easier or better way... but that involves rummaging around in finished work)

[@SkillBuilder]

TD The idea was to put all the wiring in behind the pre-wall but that would have meant putting the UH control mid way in the hall. It just looks better beside the light switch. It is all very well getting the sparks to do everything but they can't always be there when you need them and Jubi had two days to do the boarding, Happens all the time

[@reubenklang3968]

Roger, what solid gear trainers do you find comfier? I noticed you had two different pairs on there, the ones at the end are the gore-tex ones, you reckon they are worth the extra £££? Cheers

[@SkillBuilder]

The Gore Tex is good for the rainy days but they are a lot of dosh I really like them but I will trash them for sure.

[@getbry7452]

As an update to some of my other posts across this series, I finally used the Abacus boards last week on a ensuite shower refurb. I ordered the kit from Rubberducks bathrooms. Yes the 12mm boards are easy to work with however if stud work work is poor or it's the steel type then these boards are no good because there's just too much movement. The boards rely on strong closely built studs and noggins so the amount of prep work needed on an existing wall could quickly undermine the benefits/cost. So unless you've built the walls yourself I think you need to be very aware of unlying structure before ordering the Abacus system. For me I am going to stick with moisture resistant plasterboard and a tanking kit. Yes it's a little more effort but it's a system that seems to work best for existing shower refurbs. And it's a lot cheaper! Find me at twitter.com/getbry

[@robsurf360]

Surely with plasterboard you still need a solid fitting behind, if you are tiling?

[@getbry7452]

@@robsurf360 Absolutely! Either dot and dabbed to walls or stud work etc. Since my original post I've seen other installers use this system over ply which would make for a solid wall and excellent fixing but this would significantly increase the building costs!

[@robsurf360]

@@getbry7452 thanks for the reply. I have steel work, which I’m struggling to see the benefit of! I’ve always been under the presumption that going straight onto plasterboard wouldn’t be strong enough, if tiling the whole wall?

[@paulthompson5416]

Hey roger I hope you’re not charging by the hour for this refurb!! Because up to now I reckon it’s cost the customer about £1.65million 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@SkillBuilder]

Sometimes I charge by the hour sometimes on a price and sometime I charge like a wounded bull at Pamplona.

[@paulthompson5416]

Skill Builder 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Keep up the good work

[@hi-tech55]

Paul Thompson and worth it too

[@twig3288]

Maybe the spark ran out of small enclosures?

[@acelectricalsecurity]

why does everything have to be the bare minimium, its nice to have some extra space, who knows in the future the next guy that comes along, maybe thinking thank god the first guy installed a big adaptable box, does my head in when no body thinks ahead, its out of sight as well so i dont see the problem.

[@SkillBuilder]

@@acelectricalsecurity That is fine but it had to fit behind the cupboard and it didn't

[@gscott1604]

Spark probably used bigger box because of heat dissipation of the driver, they get very hot and obviously he can't put it in a smaller box and drill holes because he would lose IP rating. More airflow in a bigger box, it would be like a lightbulb in a biscuit tin.

[@DPJOINERY]

Someone's flying low!