Batman Arkham and Insomniac Spider Man: An Unfair Comparison

All I want to know is this, who are these guys really? Like, under the masks I mean.
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Spiderman Combat Gameplay: • Spider-Man PS4: Flawle...
Spiderman Web swinging footage: • [4K] Spider-Man PRO We...
Spiderman Stealth Gameplay: • Spider-Man 2 ● Perfect...
Spiderman Boss Fights (Except for Kraven): • Marvel's Spider-Man 2 ...
Deathstroke Fight Footage: • Batman Arkham Origins:...
New York Stock Footage: • New York Stock Footage...
Kraven Fight Footage: • Venom vs Kraven Boss F...
Shattered Dimension Gameplay: • SPIDER-MAN SHATTERED D...
Marvel Phase Five Footage: • MARVEL Intro & PHASE 5...
If I missed any, yell at me and I'll fix it.
#batman #spiderman #comparison #gaming

[@heather.2436]

TL;DR Marvels spider man 2 doesnt make you feel like Batman.

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

But it Does Make you Feel like Spider-Man. So, Really......

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

But it Does Make you Feel like Spider-Man. So, Really......

[@deadvikingtrolls]

​@@sonicdihedgehog1 Nah though. You see, the arkham games are a Batman simulator. Spider-Man 2 makes you feel like Spider-Man for a little while but he's having an emotional crisis. Then the game makes you feel like Mary Jane several times and a deaf girl whose part was probably the most immersive. I feel deaf! Finally you get to feel like Miles Morales and Peter is finished with his own series after a game and a half.

[@Sea-Bird..]

​@@deadvikingtrolls I feel like a person that doesn't wanna see you express yourself anymore

[@deadvikingtrolls]

@@Sea-Bird.. That's typical of low testosterone individuals.

[@maicoxmauler2825]

If Spider-Man 2's NYC was realistic then the real obstacle to traversal would be the hostile architecture.

[@harya7517]

Just turn off the swing assist and you good to go. But you're right, the game models are far wider compared to their real life counterpart

[@FookMi69]

Why are people comparing Marvel’s Man games to the Man: Ham series? Are they stupid?

[@jinsungyuu8365]

Fr like both games are just goated, there are also these cheap copies of them like Marvel’s Spider-Man and Batman Arkham series and their not as great

[@ultraegogogeta1631]

The ending is a huge stretch. No one is gonna forget insomniac spiderman games when they have been critically acclaimed. If that was the case people wouldve forgot about spiderman 1 by now and retroactively called it mediocre. Yet thats just something we did not see.

[@BlankEmporium]

By this logic, people would still remember BioShock Infinite wouldn't they?

[@l.pricetag.5207]

@@BlankEmporium they don't? I've never played any Bioshock but I still hear people talk about it...

[@VanessaWong-yi5pe]

I guess it depends on which character you like more. I played both Batman and Spiderman at the same time and I found Arkham games to be much worse. But I wont bash on Arkham I just am less fond of it

[@BlankEmporium]

@@VanessaWong-yi5pe In what sense? Gameplay? Story? Themes? I'm genuinely curious.

[@-Anonymous-.]

Spider-Man & Batman will never be forgotten. Lmao do listen to the Uploaders WEAK bait 🤣

[@artistrahhul4244]

I like Arkham games more than Spiderman but the complaints against the Spiderman's combat system are baseless most of them are about Spiderman not fighting like Batman.

[@mel-el5862]

Stop lying now. Arkham has way too much depth in comparison to spiderman. They dumbed down soiderman 2 btw.

[@zmetroplayz2456]

True

[@Kickinthescience]

@@mel-el5862they dumbed down the boss fights and story in Arkham Knight

[@iraford5788]

@@mel-el5862 nah that's exactly what those lame complaints about spiderman are about compared to Arkham.

[@mel-el5862]

@@Kickinthescience yea same way they dumbed down spiderman 2 with lgbtw, pride flags, and missions where u play as a death woman, a cucked Peter Parker and forced Mary Jane missions which sucked. Also they forced latinx and a bunch of other liberal garbage in that game like missions where you hook gay men with other gay men. Spiderman will always be trash

[@Mr.marvelous06]

The Arkham and Insomniac Games are literally everyone's autobiography.

[@mr.hi3219]

Real

[@undeadch1cken523]

As someone who repeatedly plays the arkham games, and has played the Insomniac spiderman games a couple of times, i dont see why people compare the combat they are nothing alike. The only similarity is having counter symbols

[@Anxiety_Asylum]

💀

[@godzillazfriction]

exactly, sure there are some Arkham-like elements such as the automatic finishers (which is worse for it) and utilising the gadgets in combat and in stealth although not as prioritised as Arkham Batman but i don't see how ppl aren't realising that Insomniacs combat is directly inspired by Sam Raimi's SM2 and (primarily) SM3's combat system...

[@bionicslipper4027]

Exaclty and like, it makes more sense for Spider-Man to have a counter symbol, not to mention he had games way before the Arkham games with the spider sense

[@ling8956]

Batman Arkham fans mention Spiderman every minute to start an argument. Spiderman fans dont even care about Batman Arkham

[@ling8956]

​@@bionicslipper4027Batman Arkham fans talk about Spiderman more than they talk about Arkham Batman

[@andorvandelinde-cz8ln]

Honestly I think you gripe with the Spiderman games comes down to the foundation of the character and how that translates to gameplay more than the actual quality of the game. Spiderman is a superpowered hero batman isn't. This will make what is and what isn't a threat to both of them different. Besides I think the concept of "friendly neighbourhood Spiderman" And the "Protector in the shadows" Is what drives the different philosophies the most. Spiderman should be more light and upbeat and I think the gameplay reflects this very well. In the end to each their own ofcourse but I do think both franchises represent their source material very well and they are probably the best versions of what you could want for them. I find it difficult to imagine a game for Spiderman that would be more Spiderman than Insomniacs games.

[@archdukeofsuno2954]

Essentially that's what I meant. There are plenty of things you can do with Spiderman that don't need to boil down to a standard slap fight with a villain, something that the second game proves with Sandman and Mysterio. A part of it might come down to Batman having to be a little more grounded (since he's just a normal guy) which makes them have to come up with creative solutions for encounters with different villains or problems.

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

​@@archdukeofsuno2954Yeah, And they Also Do This with the Likes of Mr. Negative, Kraven, Kadady, and even Chameleon. Really, Ones like Scorpion and Electro and Even Rhino are Just Guys that just Really Despise Spidey. And, Really, Just Some Guys that Act More like Goons than Any Other Foes. So, Really, Compared to the Likes, There's Not Much you could Try to Give Here. But, Really, ALOT More than you Realize. Especially with the Entirety of The Game Series. Really......

[@seriesx9508]

​​​@@archdukeofsuno2954Have you noticed how many people are arguing against you? You should really think the next time you upload another "this game is objectively better" content. Though the way you speak you probably find the idea of people preferring Spider-Man incomprehensible. Not open-minded enough

[@akvelo9862]

I agree on half of your points but disagree on the others. Things I agree with The Batman Arkham games feel more like a comic book than Marvel's Spider-Man. Gotham is more interesting than New York. Arkham Combat is better than Marvel's Spider-Man combat. Though here's where I heavily disagree *The developers don't take time to do detail.* The one thing that I completely don't understand your point on is when you brought up how basically they don't do detail outside of the story when they do. Just like how Batman can visit his parent's grave and mourn. Peter and Miles can head to Aunt May and Jefferson Davis's graves which has different dialogue depending on the point you visit in the game. You say Gotham has more detail but not a *single* Arkham Game has let you explore without civilians being evacuated or staying in their homes. While with Spider-Man you can literally stop fighting crime and go do Yoga with Civilians, wave to people on the street, highfive them, hug them, and more. The city after every boss fight has permanent scars the sand from Sandman, the symbiote from Venom, the damage on Oscorp tower, The Roxxon building being rebuilt, and more Not to mention you actually spend time as Peter going to work, hanging out with friends, and doing the normal things of his life this is compared to how with Batman you never play Bruce Wayne which does fit certain versions of the character where Batman is his true mask. Though it would be cool to attend a Gala as Bruce Wayne and maybe mingle with guest or whatever. You also said that the game should be darker like Rami, but literally Insomniac's Spider-Man does the same exact thing they do. Spider-Man in the raimi moves jokes for the entire movie until the final fight. Which Insomniac's Spider-Man does and hell when Insomniac Spider-Man starts wearing the black suit he stops joking and becomes violent with his comments What jokes did Peter make during any of the Kraven fights, Doc Ock, or for majority of the Venom Fight he literally does stop joking when things get serious. The main reason why people loves the Insomniac Spider-Man so much is because the games are fun and the story is fresh. What other Spider-Man game can you can play a veteran Spider-Man who gets to mentor another Spider-Man fighting together. There are so many details and interesting things in Insomniac 's Spider-Man that I just can't let you discredit.

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

Yeah, his Takes are just Pretty Terrible in Most Areas. Heck, Really, Spidey's Combat are ALOT More Better than Arkham's. But, Really, Guy just Doesn't Even get how Things Work for Spidey. Especially with his Foes. Really, guy thinks that Spidey's Foes Need to Be There for a Purpose. But, Really, Some Do like Otto, Mr. Negative, Kraven, Venom, Fisk, and Even Lonnie Lincoln. But, Really, Others like Scorpion, Electro, Rhino, Vulture, Mysterio, and The Likes. But, Really, they Really Don't Need To. Especially with the Likes of Scorpion and Electro since they are Mostly just Foes that Really Despise Spidey and have Nothing Compelling to tell. So, Really......

[@zmetroplayz2456]

💯

[@apersonwithashirt7883]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@ling8956]

Batman is boring and edgey. I actually dislike Batman more after watching this

[@JackycakesV2]

@@ling8956you gondtsntoy have Batman on your mind lmao. And he isn’t edgy at all

[@Artemistt_]

Mans basically criticized spiderman for being spiderman and praised Batman for being Batman, ultimately the games aren’t meant to be compared because of how different the characters themselves are, Batman is human with peak human performance while spiderman is legit superhuman so it makes since spiderman its out here playing like a video game because in comics spiderman is basically a game, depending on who writes the character you shouldn’t be able to even touch spiderman but both games are great and offer an amazing addition to the superhero genre it’s just this video felt like bait even tho it’s made valid points in both sides of the conversation

[@devontebabbs3884]

Liking the Batman game because you like Batman more is fine. But acting like Spider-Man isn’t creative because it isn’t like Batman is ridiculous. Every time spiderman does something different from Batman you call it “following modern game design” and every time Batman can be differentiated it’s “staying true to the comics”. Just say you like Batman more and keep it moving 😂

[@soulstealer567]

spiderman feels like triple a slop with web swinging tacked on, batman felt like a unique vision

[@JPmoney99]

There is so much I disagree with that I can’t put into text. So if you’re comfortable with a voice chat and have a discord I’d enjoy discussing this

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

Really, His Video Here is The Most Problematic I have Ever Seen. Really, More Biased than Anything. Really.......

[@majora919]

your video made me realize insomniacs first spiderman game is alot closer to an arkham game than the sequel

[@user-xx3xd1cr4y]

Spiderman feels too safe if you know what I mean Arkham just has a certain itch and I'm saying this as a spiderman fan over batman.

[@baki484]

Damn that's a first I'm fascinated on how it feels safe to you. Spiderman games by insomniac feels like the typical open world standard affair to me anyway.

[@TheTom20]

What is safe about this game

[@TheUltimateZMAN]

I feel the same way, lifelong Spider-Man fan, but the Insomniac games feel catered to mainstream audiences to the point where you can easily trivialize a majority of the challenge. Arkham you gotta earn the power fantasy, and it’s so much more rewarding. Everything is handcrafted and designed with purpose.

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

​@@TheUltimateZMANSo does the Spider-Man Game Series on Most Areas.......

[@Shahriyararin63]

​@@TheTom20nothing, bro is a hater

[@l.pricetag.5207]

You know, looking at the title of the video, I was hoping this would be about how both games series are great and we should generally just stop arguing over which is better, which i think is what we should all do...

[@godzillazfriction]

I wouldn't really consider Insomniacs SM game series to be labelled as 'great' - sure at the surface level, it might seem like it but once you break it down as an 'overall package' especially compared to previous Spider-Man games then it becomes notable that there should be more devs like SHABA games (RIP) to be developing on Spider-Man rather than Insomniac when it comes especially in regards to utilising its creative liberties for a Spider-Man game that previous devs have managed to properly capture

[@l.pricetag.5207]

@@godzillazfriction it is great. The whole series is brilliant made in gameplay, story, soundtrack, graphics and voice acting. It's every bit as good as the Arkham series with the only downside being the constant need to change characters' faces. What makes you say that there should be more developers?

[@godzillazfriction]

@@l.pricetag.5207im going to use your logic... you ready..? oh its definitely great, you know HOW it's great, it's great and its brilliantly made because of its story, gameplay and voice acting... gtfo with that plus Insomniac should just stop making these types of games especially Spider-Man... they're not fit for it compared to previous devs, the only way that would change is if Wolverine gets the same treatment as X-men Origins Wolverine movie tie-in game did

[@l.pricetag.5207]

@@godzillazfriction gtfo with what? I just listed everything that makes a video game great. How are they not fit for making the game? What specifically is wrong with it? All you've said is that you like the older ones more but why?

[@papabear6611]

@@l.pricetag.5207gameplay isn’t that good, the soundtrack is basic in a lot more areas than it is great, the story for the last two games were progressively mid and terrible. You can’t compare something that strives to be great in every facet with a game that’s designed for hyping people up for the next big cameo/villain/story iteration without actual complexities in its design. The first game is great but the other two can only really be great by building on it, which is unfair however they didn’t even meet the bar to make an equivalent game and the took huge steps back in story and in some gameplay aspects like gadgets. I saw a comment somewhere about someone who “ loves” these games, he said and I’m near quoting here, “ Spider-Man 2 is the best Spider-Man game until Spider-Man 3 comes out” . It was already decided these games are gonna be great even when there getting worse with this new one. I feel bad for insomniac because with previous games they made people were objective with actual feedback but since everything is “ great “ with these games when it’s not they can’t actually make the “ best Spider-Man game” Overall instead of just wanting your own Batman Arkham game for Spider-Man. You should want your own Spider-Man game that goes off of Spider-Man instead of taking a formula and half baking it for Spider-Man. Expect more and you get more. No Batman fan immediately said oh this Batman origins game is perfect even though it was copy pasted they criticized it for its issues despite still being great in its own right. So be better dude, don’t enjoy things blindly and I’m not saying don’t have fun but take a moment to realize why one thing is fun and one thing is it. Everyone forgot about Spider-Man games like a year after morales and everyone was saying it was better than this and perfect in everyway until they looked back and then just moved on. Anyway just like Spider-Mans slogan “ be greater” and “ be better” It’s like a cry for help from the devs for you to actually have some goddamn though process behind a game except “Spider-Man gud “

[@dg9444]

Most of this is mostly saying the problem with the spider man games is that its not the same as Arkham

[@killuafanboy3812]

SM2 seems to have some slow moments. Riding a bike with Harry, picking up the trash around your home, going to a carnival with your friend and wife.

[@theelectricprince8231]

And they are all boring

[@Spectacular1103]

@@theelectricprince8231 Oh and the Cobra Tank missions aren't boring?

[@theelectricprince8231]

@@Spectacular1103 nope, love those

[@jinxact532]

​@@theelectricprince8231 Tank stealth was the worst part of knight as we spend 60% of the game in a car

[@veejayfletcher7317]

@@jinxact532what about Arkham city and Arkham asylum?? Those did not have the tank. Then we get a game with the bat mobile the game evolved! Also if you don’t like the tank missions there are games without it. However, there is no spider man game without the lame MJ / Peter Parker/ miles morales missions, which are way worse than The tanks.

[@Yung_Ceiling_Fan]

The combat in Spider-Man isn't exactly like the combat from the Batman Arkham series, which must mean that it's bad.

[@thonato295]

"oh no, it's not grounded like arkham from dmc3, it's just more action game slop!!!"

[@popjack-ir2zi]

i hate when people compare these games, they are different

[@archdukeofsuno2954]

Well, it is an "Unfair Comparison" after all

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

@@archdukeofsuno2954 More Biased than Anything. Really......

[@mel-el5862]

​@@sonicdihedgehog1stop crying

[@iraford5788]

@@mel-el5862 he's right though.

[@DeBean970]

I hate these statements so much because they basically say nothing can be compared. You don't compare identical products, you compare similar but different things. Insomniac's Spider-Man definitely looked at the Arkham series. A lacking comparison would be comparing these games to World of Warcraft

[@richardgould1238]

I like the Arkham games for being more of a challenge on its hardest mode

[@TheMarine316]

I disagree with just about every negative mentioned about spider-man, insomniacs spider-man games & the Arkham games are comic games at their peak, I prefer somethings more in the spider-man games & others in the Arkham games but both are incredible achievements in comic games.

[@antagonist7]

"Video title should be why arkham games are better than spiderman games ps i love arkham games and spiderman sucks"

[@thonato295]

summary: I think x thing has more passion into it where as z thing is just another daddy doodoo product which is completely fine btw, that title never lies

[@thetriborg9588]

Last point was ridiculously dumb… who is gonna forget a critically acclaimed spider man game series -_- like how people remember web of shadows

[@heather.2436]

Holy crap. Who cares? Nobody is going to remember the insomniac Spider-Man games because they’re mediocre garbage. Arkham asylum and city have far more love and care put into it for the character the game is about than insomniacs Spider-Man has.

[@jinsungyuu8365]

@@heather.2436The millions of people that bought the Spider-Man games: 👁👄👁

[@apersonwithashirt7883]

Ok. So i have a few things to say real quick. There are many different ways to play Spider-Man, like you can play as a gadget based hero, which is the easiest approach, or aviod gadgets almost completely and just fight your way out of every situation, you can style on your enemies and find fun ways to take them out (Like how I feel Spider-Man would), and many more ways. I found that in the gameplay in this video you werent being very compitent and you mainly just stood there and shot a few webs, which is a valid strategy but it is the bare minimum. Albeit the games arent very hard but Spider-Man 2 on Ultimate difficulty gave me a bit more of a challenge. I propose a question, how many more hours have you put into the Batman games than the Spider-Man games? If you were actually trying to make both series seem at all interesting than I feel you shouldve spent a similar amount of hours on both for the least bias video. Not trying to cause an argument or anything, just saying what i felt.

[@veejayfletcher7317]

Arkham games have more gameplay so by default, you would put in more hours in the Arkham games if you 100 percent it.

[@arthurplainandsimple8369]

Not enough feet. Archduke of Sykunno

[@babymetaru8969]

one of the best aspects of the arkham games, apart from combat, stealth and atmosphere, is the amount of detail there's SO MUCH detail in all the games its insane, it doesn't compare to something like rdr 2 but geez the arkham games are fucking amazing in that aspect.

[@certifiedtrash3152]

Im sorry but tf is that story section? Batman good because it uses a lot of villians and spiderman bad because its... idk predictable i guess and spider-man 2 didnt hide who its final boss would be?????? (Because i guess that's all that goes into making a good story???) Oh and i can't forget how he entirely ignores SM1's story as if it didn't have a twist in who was the final boss because batman good spider-man mid. Overall it just feels like the dude just wants the insomniac games to be something different rather than evaluating them on what they are actually trying to do

[@iraford5788]

Exactly.

[@thonato295]

pretty much yeah, it's not like they made a joke about aunt may's death, they were serious as hell about it

[@wintersoldier164]

I felt that arkham city too felt like a video game in its narrative. It's not a bad thing

[@bcreviews4870]

They scratch different itches.. One minute you’re Batman, the next you’re Spider-Man.. both amazing games in their own right. Love both.

[@theoutsiderjess4869]

As someone who played both games but couldn't get into the Arkham series I hate the fact that people always compared these two games instead of just equally enjoying what both brings both games are incredibly different and play different. Insomniac spiderman is the closest you will get to spiderman and Arkham is one of the best batman experience you can get while not being my favorite game to play. batman in my opinion wins on atmosphere however as a New Yorker Spiderman makes me feel like I'm actually home and that alone can just make me weep.

[@iczev]

I could say that if we were to compare the Arkham games with almost any other Spider-Man game. However what insomniac did feels way too similar to rocksteady's work

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@iczevis that bad?

[@zmetroplayz2456]

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[@hahahahaehhehehehehe]

​​@@kwayneboy1524 They used what wasn't broken... but it kinda is copying a lil. Spiderman has it's differences, don't get me wrong. A lot of differences, but it does indeed feel a lil too similar to Arkham.

[@shin_nasrash]

@@hahahahaehhehehehehe inspiration really is just a fancy word but sometimes it really actually hold meaning you know

[@wserthmar8908]

In other words, a product (Spider) vs something more, a creative piece of art (Bat)

[@ThePlasmicAlchemist]

Man, at that point, just title your video "Spider-Man 2 Sucks. Here's Why."

[@soulstealer567]

where's the lie

[@MiSambra]

Insomniac did us dirty by making the dodge/counter button circle instead of triangle 😂

[@littletiffany9089]

Sorry, these takes are terrible. I find Spider-Man as a more enjoyable videogame. For fun factor which is all that matters. Arkham Knight was the most advanced/complicated Arkham game, but I also found it the least fun

[@sayajui]

Both are at the top comic book based video games,

[@magnum567134]

6:47. I see why you don't wanna mention Arkham Knight's "boss" fights. It was the biggest let down for me. Not a single 1 on 1. You just fight an army of goons, same as you've been doing the whole game, while trying to attack the main enemy. Give me Spiderman's bosses any day! There's no type of boss fight I hate more than ones that are only difficult because of countless minions😒

[@littletiffany9089]

While I enjoy Arkham City more than Arkham Knight, exploring Arkham City is unfun. And if you progress through the game, those military guys with weapons always spawn which means you cant even freely explore the city freely

[@mattdamsel2176]

Great video. If you would, I'd like for you to clarify on one thing you said. You mentioned the later Arkham games start to suffer from the modern game trends too. In what way exactly? I still remember Arkham Knight quite fondly despite people's fee complaints.

[@fbiagent..]

I think hes talking about the pc port of AK and AO being pretty buggy and glitchy

[@archdukeofsuno2954]

The later games are a bit more lacking in the same creativity that Asylum and City had, particularly the clumsy implementation of things like the Batmobile. I think the most obvious example though is Gotham Knights which is ostensibly the successor to the Arkham games. It plays exactly how I described "Modern Action Titles" playing down to a tee, which is really disappointing.

[@Wizofmincraft]

@@archdukeofsuno2954 Including gotham knights in the arkham series is wild.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Hey, remember me? I randomly got this video recommended to me. I didn’t realise you made videos too! I recall how much we argued in my comments section about Star Wars. Good times.

[@archdukeofsuno2954]

Of course I remember, good times indeed. I make videos when my motivation is sufficient to rouse me from my stupor, which is rare of course. I do feel very passionate about these things though, which is something I'm sure we share.

[@heather.2436]

The Prequels still suck btw.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

@@heather.2436 Catch up to the 2020s.

[@heather.2436]

⁠​⁠@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 nah I’d rather stay here in: August 15th of 1980.

[@ricky7321]

You complaining about Spider-Man having air combos is so wild. Not trying to be like argumentative…but…do you actually LIKE Spider-Man? This seems like you just prefer a Batman game to a Spider-Man game. Though, I agree about the AI and the gadgets are pretty overdone. I feel like they should’ve had more web combat (not gadgets just ways Spidey uses his webs) because I’ll be honest what we got has always been a big gripe with me. Don’t get me wrong, I will never stop loving Arkham. But, these games are very different. The Arkham mechanics DO NOT work with every hero. But, as I said, it seems like most people’s comparisons are more of a Batman VS Spider-Man thing than a Arkham vs Marvel’s Spider-Man thing.

[@Mr.T1ck1eScr0tum]

I think the air combo thing was a jab at the fact of when you air combo someone, the ai doesnt make an effort to hit you or make it hard. HELL THERES A MID AIR DODGE TO AVOID GUNSHOTS TO CONTINUE THE AIR COMBO. Idfk i like both lol

[@khalilthomas59]

Shadow of mordor was created by a whole different company

[@SenselessNutt]

I disagree with some of your points, but all in all a really great video👏

[@coolskeleton8010]

Well made video, but I have to completely disagree. I love both the arkham games and the insomniac spiderman games, and they absolutely differ from one another despite the combat being based on fast paced agile beatdowns. I really don’t think you can catalogue most modern video games as being developed with “modern video game philosophy”. Sure, your generic action shooter game that almost no one knows about might be what you’re speaking of, but it doesn’t happen with these kind of games. Videogames always followed a formula, and they’re not supposed to be full-on simulators, unless you’re talking about, say, a racing game or a trucker sim. It’s incredibly difficult to recreate a comic book 1-1. It’s like actually trying to recreate a faithfull god of war game. It would be absolutely boring, as Kratos would just one-shot everything he comes across, without even posing a challenge to him. Perhaps it’s just me, but I don’t see how jedi survivor and the spiderman games as well as the arkham series are anything alike. In arkham, you’re batman. You’re a regular (although peak) human. You can’t do excesively flashy things, as what you have to do is utilize batman’s wide arrange of gadgets and creativity to defeat multiple villains, which are represented quite well and faithfull to the comics. In jedi survivor you’re put in a completely different scenario, with many iconic locations and planets from the star wars saga, beautiful landscapes, a creative and broad amount of fauna and your ability to combat against the empire, not with gadgets and brutal punches, but with a special sense of brutality as you can slice through stormtroopers with your lightsaber. Gameplay feels completely different, you can’t glide through the planet, you have to utilize the force to traverse through it, facing whatever comes across you with a combination of jedi skills. Using the force to throw items or attract enemies to use as a shield or rather to impale them is just the tip of the iceberg. Not even mentioning the usage of multiple styles of lightsabers to fit your favorite playstyle. The spiderman insomniac games are also completely different. You see, shattered dimensions feels more “video-gamey” (which i personally don’t see as a bad thing, you know you’re paying to play a videogame right?) as it has a completely linear progression through levels. The insomniac spiderman games won’t play like batman as spiderman is a completely different hero. He doesn’t rely on stealth as much, as why hide from guy with guns when you can dodge bullets? It might not feel as brutal but that’s also kind of the point, peter always holds back. In the second game, you can play as two spidermen. Miles is more carefree, swinging through the city as a teenager would, and having an edge over certain villains and the symbiote because of his electric powers, which make him unique. Peter relies on his tech and webs, as well as his superior strength and experience. Batman will not fight mid-air because he can’t. It’s also kind of the players responsibility to make gameplay “feel good”. In the arkham games you can just sit there countering or do simple combos while jumping over the enemies heads just like how you can keep punching the bad guys in insomniacs spiderman game. Spiderman is a swift and agile combatant, and therefore he relies on his spider powers to win. He can, against all laws of physics, impulse himself to the side while hovering mid-air, stick to walls to impulse himself and attack as well as his multiple web gadgets. Hell, his fighting style changes to be more brutal and powerful when he gets the symbyote and, as it consumes him, he stops holding back, resembling batman in some way. Swinging through the city, specially with swing assist deactivated feels like you must actually control spidey when he swings and reminds me of the ps2 spiderman 2 web swinging. The game is filled with details and love, so I truly cannot understand where you get your idea that the game is just a shitty release to make money and nothing more. Both games explored the difficulty peter has in sustaining his spider persona while also being peter parker. Both games constantly put both his lives on a line, making him decide wether he wants to keep protecting the city, even if it costs him his job, his friends and his family. The visuals are stunning, and although the arkham series take an amazing approach by recreating a dystopian city filled with criminal gangs you could also say it’s cliche and repetitive. It’s completely subjective and I personally think both approaches are fine. Not every single game happens in new york, and it’s obviously spiderman’s home town. (They’re not gonna make a spiderman game in australia lol). The city also has been made to feel alive, sometimes in some arkham games you feel completely alone and that it is filled with only criminals (which is actually kind of the point) but in the spiderman 2 game you genuinely feel like spiderman. Sure you use your super powers to beat the crap out of criminals and swing through the city but you would be surprised to see how many little side quests involve doing mundane stuff that a normal human could do. The game is filled with interactions with normal people, and THAT is what defines spiderman. Exactly that is why i believe the game is made with actual love, and isn’t your typical “modern action game”. Being spiderman is also helping the people around you however you can, even if it involves saving a cat that cannot get down from a tree. That is what differentiates spiderman from batman, and why I think insomniac took good care of what i believe is the best spiderman games there are right now. Boss fights are also not just punch the bad guy till he drops, having the scorpion and rhino fights as an example from the first game. Peter also has multiple inner demons he has to fight against, he just handles it way different to how bruce does, and these games portray it perfectly. The interaction and final fight between peter and otto in the first game is brilliant, building a relationship since the beginning that one ends up using as leverage against the other, climaxing in a final fight that also carries emotional weight. And let’s not even speak about venom. The devs took the liberty to make it the most absurd and broken version of the character to exist, and it also makes sense. You’re fighting a literal alien. It’s now immune to fire, something the devs took extra care to explain when harry says he wasn’t bothered by it while wearing the suit. These little details are not in any game, and goes to show that insomniac took good care of the games, and plans on expanding even further. They didn’t create another cheap knockoff game, they took time to create a world, build upon it and recreate spiderman as faithfully as possible. There are multiple ways to play the game, multiple possibilities in combat, not just “punching a guy in the air and combo him there”. The combat also heavily differs when you control venom. Talk about being brutal and fearsome. So no, I don’t think this series will be forgotten and buckled up into the same old 3d action game blob, I think you are absolutely wrong. If web of shadows didn’t, the insomniac games will never as well. 5 years post release, people still talk about how spiderman ps4 was the best representation of spiderman in videogames, and was incredibly fun, only dethroned by the sequel. There’s also a third game in the making, and it’s success doesn’t derive from lack of competition. The arkham games didn’t have much competition in their genre now didn’t they? Superhero games, at least good ones, are scarce. Only batman and spiderman have good games. If you’re talking about general competition in video games, this year released some of the best video games right now.

[@coolskeleton8010]

So no, it’s not because of that, it’s not because of “twitter people that don’t actually play games” (that is a broad generalization, most people in social media that played and liked spiderman 2 or the ps4 one actually play videogames, why else would they have consoles and actually post about multiple games) and I believe 10 years from now people are still going to remember and love the insomniac spiderman games. Batman arkham could also have been considered your usual modern philosophy beat em up game, but as I explained with spiderman and just how i could with batman the details and the specific gameplay to suit the character is what makes them different. Now if you don’t like it, perhaps you just don’t like having superpowers to fight in the air, use multiple different webbing and gravitational gadgets, electric powers, metalic arms and an alien symbiote. Cataloging most games nowadays as “modern philosophy greedy games” just seems to me like you need some nostalgia goggle removals. There are multiple new and old gen gems in gaming, and spiderman 2 also didn’t triumph because there is nothing else to play. Aside from gow ragnarok, the new horizon game and a couple other exclusives, you can still play most recent games there in your ps5. Exclusives aren’t the only thing you can play there. Also, that same mentality would be like saying re4 and re2 remakes are just cheap copies to cash in, when in reality the amount of details and the love put into those two are amazing, feeling like completely different games to the source material. I feel like you should pay more attention to details in games you might not like too much, specially since a lot of people, due to one gameplay similarity, start comparing both sagas and saying the one you like the least is superior. I like both of them, and they’re both equally amazing and drastically different. Most new big releases loved by most have multiple reasons behind it, and since spiderman 2 and it’s predecessor have such high and good reviews, i hope you can look at the game (and many others) with a different approach. Don’t compare two games and say one is better because it has something the other doesn’t when in reality the characters, their world and their structure is entirely different, as you could say the exact same of the other. Rather, it’s better if you genuinely see the pros and cons of each one individually, and learn to look at the small details of each as well as learning more about and paying more attention to the source material and its philosophy. Appreciate it if you read through this bible and I hope i made you look at things in a different manner :)

[@coolskeleton8010]

Comment was way too long and had to separate it lol, excuse me if there are any grammar mistakes, english is not my first language.

[@GokuBlackRose978]

Sorry to be rude but I ain’t reading all that. I’m gonna just say I disagree and move on, see ya.

[@coolskeleton8010]

@@GokuBlackRose978 ok, did not ask you to read it all. I agree to disagree with you. Have a good day.

[@ethanfutch4974]

Ima be honest no one is reading all of that just make your own vid on it . If u got that much to say .

[@francostevo9939]

I’m sorry but the combat in the Spider-Man insomniac games I believe are far superior than the Arkham combat system. Why? Because there is more to do in the combat and I mostly call the shots during the combat. In Arkham combat you are just bashing the combat button and flipping over until you get the finisher. In the Spider-Man combat there is more to do and I make more distractions to war the enemies that makes the fighting more advantageous on my part.

[@shuunobotenzo1992]

So.... I can tell that ur complete biase? There is points that u say that is wrong or done in a way where it makes Spider man seem like a bad game in comparison

[@kalyambaba4847]

Batman absolutely slaps imo

[@MillerAdamGigachad]

Good video

[@semvision]

Shadow of Mordor wasnt made by Rocksteady

[@Mister_Domm]

Maybe it’s same people? Not the same studio? He should’ve clarified that

[@TheHasmith99]

@@Mister_Domm It's not the same people or the same studio lmfao. They have similar combat, that's the only thing they have in common. No idea what this guy was thinking when he said that

[@thetriborg9588]

Nope monolith studios

[@thetriborg9588]

Better combat than batman imo

[@pablo95861]

It seems that this guy didn’t even play the Spiderman games, he says there’s only action and no time to take on what Spiderman is, as if there aren’t missions where you take your time to help people like the mission that involves the pigeons

[@Spectral_Thief10]

With great ability comes great accountability

[@UnderTheHood788]

I feel arkham is the best batman experience and insomniac is the best spidey experience,sure insom took some inspiration from rocksteady work but why wouldn't you take inspiration from a borderline masterpiece,then making something just as impressive on newer hardware however knights graphics being able to be on par with most ps5 games 8 years later is very impressive however insomniac has crafted a city (in SM2) bigger than gotham in knight and using the ps5s hardwaree that still manages to look photoreal whilst at the same time being fun to traverse with 0 load times while traversing,arkham traversing in Knight specifically is fun, REALLY damn fun but it gets boring after a while,I never felt the same way with SM2,SM:R, or SM:MM.but the story in Arkham not only feels like the perfect batman story but a heart wrenching one,the argument between bruce and Alfred in origins,the constant tension of Asylum,The Tragedy of City and the Conclusive nature of Knight. However on insomniacs side we have the betrayal of a thought Mentor in the 1st game,the feeling of constantly being in peters shadow but eventually branching out and proving yourself worthy of the mantle of spider-man in Miles Morales and the acceptance of when its your time to go,you cant change that in 2.

[@Tommyvercitti461]

Great comparison

[@callmejacob3234]

People just need to stop being so toxic one isn't better than the other they are both amazing game series that have revolutionized superhero games Batman isn't better than Spider-Man and Spider-Man is better than Batman they are both amazing characters why can't people just accept that?

[@ironbat5481]

You ment to say spider-man isn't better than batman

[@Shahriyararin63]

Facts. Lets say both are unique in their own ways.

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

Though, Really, Guy was More Biased with his Takes than Anything. Especially when Trying to Give Some Statements on Spidey's World, Combat, Settings, Systems, and, Really, Even Tone......

[@Shahriyararin63]

@@sonicdihedgehog1 both are equally good and unique in their own ways so it's best to have a truce

[@hugofernandes6472]

I gotta disagree with your takes on these games, I played only Arkham Knight in the Arkham series and I know this title is considered the worst inside this series, but it was an incredible game to play and I'm pretty sure I would love the other games in the series, however, I have to say that your takes sound like the ones that a person who didn't give much time to the Spiderman games of Insomanic would give or a person who doesn't understand what Spiderman is, Spiderman stories were never supposed to be really serious, after all, he is a hero that never stops talking or quipping and these games do know when to get serious on right the moments and there are a lot of points of Peter's personal life conflicting with his Spider problems showed in this game, about the combat systems although both series share similarities it's completely different, Arkham is more about being precise and read the flow of the battle and Spider is more about the freedom you have to attack the enemies in many different ways, but that doesn't mean that Spiderman's combat is brain dead since if you're not careful you can die, especially in the second game having parry mechanics similar to souls like games and about the boss fights I really don't feel like that it's needed a specific environment interaction to the boss fights, I think straight up direct fights with the bosses are more entertaining, because the bosses I experienced in Arkham Knight and the ones I saw on other games felt more like puzzles rather than a fight and I know that is because Batman has to fight superpowered beings while not being superpowered so he has to use strategy to beat them, but these fights could have the strategies while also having direct approaches to the boss and in the Spiderman games the fights being direct 1on1s reflects on how good and used to the combat you are, making you have a learning curve to the combat, something that I don't see in the Arkham games since the boss fights almost never put your skills in the combat on practice because you constantly have to do damage to the bosses through indirect ways, there are other takes that I disagree, but they are smaller compared to what I mentioned in this comment

[@spaceaustrailia5895]

Batman Arkham fans trying so hard to be noticed by mentioning the more popular game(Spider-Man). Those games were okay 2009-2011

[@rojobroko5979]

Love both but Batman has that specialty of feeling like The Batman. Spider-Man is great but feels too safe and hand holdy.

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

Not Really, No.....

[@iraford5788]

Nothing about spiderman feels safe at all.

[@Gwavideoproductions]

GREAT VIDEO DUDE, HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE MORE SUBS????

[@slushysaturn]

Bro has less views than he has likes ❓❓❓❓

[@archdukeofsuno2954]

We call that a youtube moment

[@talison461]

KZbin needs to get their sh*t together already.

[@fizzokla6185]

Why doesn't spiderman the happy go lucky guy that has terrible things happen to him but he makes jokes and tries to stay a good person overall not play and act like probably the most mentally fucked up superhero ever😭😭😭

[@tanktheta]

"We're doomed."-The State of Gaming 2023

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

22:01 WOW that is just Definitely Wrong. Really, First Off, No. People will Not Lose Interest in the series. As there are Many Thinhs People Really Love about the Game Series. Mostly yhe Fluidity in Combat, The Skill Tree, The Fact that New York Feels More Alive, the ehole Traversal, the whole Open World Experience, The Whole Thkng Between Peter and Miles, Really, there ate Alot of Things People Love about the game series. Really, sayong that os just kinda ignorant. Really, at nest, Most Oeople Will Only Complain about stuff when most things are taken out of context to do with the Humor, The Whole Spider-Cop Thing, A nd a Couple Others. Really, just not by the stuff you try to claim. So, Really.......

[@FloatingKites2422]

This is like how Super Mario is simply than most other platformers like Sonic in terms of mechanics. Yet people widely prefer Super Mario. Explaining why Batman has deeper battle mechanics will not change people's preferences of Spider-Man. And more people like Spiderman vs Batman Arkham. Nothing you say will change our preferences.

[@bearpoop720]

More people like Arkham Batman than the Insomniac games, what are you talking about.

[@dymoure]

Spider-Man 2 (2004) = Batman: Arkham Asylum I can’t choose a favorite. In terms of innovation, these two are probably the most important video games for superheroes.

[@TheBigMannyShow]

This is a well put together video but I'd personally disagree with you in a lot of places. I think The Insomniac games more "Video Gamey" combat is way more fun than the Arkham combat, which I find to be pretty barebones especially in Arkham Asylum and City. Something about it just feels a little bit stiff, still fun and I think it was gone by Arkham Knight, but it just didn't flow like Spider-Mans combat did for me. If you like more grounded combat I can see why you would like the Arkham combat better, but for me Spider-Mans combat is leagues better. It lets you flip and slide around, fling guys 40 feet away, whack someone way up into the air, bounce him off of the ground back towards you and swing kick him, and use awesome powers like the Electricity Powers and the Symbiote Suit. For me it feels like Insomniacs combat actually lets you have fun, where Arkham combat didn't want to be too unrealistic. And maybe you're just way better than me but I found the Insomniac games to be a good challenge on hard mode especially in the later parts of the games. One area I do agree in is that Arkham stealth is better than Spider-mans stealth, especially in comparison to Spider-Man 2 although I would say that's not a good comparison as Spider-Man 2 moved away from stealth overall. As for boss fights I'd also disagree that Arkham was better. Now to be fair I haven't played Origins so I won't be including that in any of these opinions but I think the Spider-Man boss fights are much more engaging. I'd say that every Boss fight in Asylum is either boring or just straight up bad. Solomon Grundy was mechanically extremely simple. Ra's Al Ghul was really cool and Mr. Freeze is an amazing fight. And while I'm not claiming that Spider-Man 1 boss fights are mechanically complex, they make up for it in visual flare. I will claim that Spider-Man 2s boss fights are mechanically engaging and were incredible boss fights on hard mode for me at least. "Penguins Goons dont look like the Joker's who dont look like Two-Face's." Idk what kind of argument this is and this honestly makes me doubt if you ever took time to properly play Spider-Man because it does the exact same thing. In Spider-Man 1 the city crime criminals can either be Regular thugs, Mr. Negatives Demons, escaped Ryker's convicts or Silver Sable Agents. In Spider-Man 2 they could be Kraven's Hunters, Cultists, or Venomized Citizens. "You know the final bad guy is probably gonna be Venom or some kind of symbiote but instead they pretend like Kraven is actually the big deal opponent." That's because he was. This game's story is split into 2 arcs, the first focusing on Kraven and the second, Venom. Spider-Man 1 did the exact same thing with the first half focusing on Mr. Negative and the second half the Sinister Six. That's just how Insomniac does their stories. The Arkham games focus on one villain the whole time because in each game there's only one story. Insomniacs Spider-Man games have two stories each which makes for a longer game that has more content than it would have otherwise. IMO Insomniacs games feel like they wanted to tell a normal Spider-Man story that just so happened to be presented in a game. Arkham Asylum's story felt like it only existed as an excuse to have a video game to play through, with plot points like Titan which clearly only exists so you can fight Joker at the end and not have it be a one sided fight. Arkham Knight's story felt the same way, but in some ways even worse as some parts drag on for so long for absolutely no reason. The game makes you wait 14 hours for the single most predictable plot twist ever (Arkham Knight is Jason Todd). In addition to that, Arkham Knight's story was just really bad in general even excluding the awful pacing, with retard plotpoints like Batman turning into the Joker. Arkham City was the only game where it felt like they actually wanted to tell a good story, although even that was very short. Again haven't played Origins. I'd disagree that Spider-Man doesn't have emotional range. There's lots of moments where the tone is no BS completely serious. And Spider-Man is supposed to be a "quippy mess" that's how the character's been since the 60's. If you don't like that then you just don't like Spider-Man and that's fine, but you cant fault the game for being accurate to the source material. And if you ask me the biggest problem with the Raimi films is how little Spider-Man jokes around which is kind of his whole thing. But don't get me wrong I love Spider-Man 1 and 2 by Raimi. I also disagree that the Insomniac games will be forgotten anytime soon. Time will tell but these games are huge at the moment with more buzz than almost every other game coming out right now, but at the end of the day there's no real way of knowing as of right now. When it comes down to it it's just personal preference. I enjoyed hearing the opinions of someone so different than mine.

[@thonato295]

I'd say nearly all the bosses in these games (except spiderman 2) are mediocre at best, we're not gonna forget how most of the times it's just using one gadget against a boss

[@whosDaBun]

@@thonato295this is probably the dumbest statement i’ve ever read in a comment section about these games. congratulations

[@whosDaBun]

i think my favorite part of this novel is how everything in Spiderman has a perfectly reasonable explanation, while in Batman it’s “retarded plot holes”. you Spiderman simps just write paragraphs about your fandom without a single piece of actual evidence for anything. you just like Spiderman, and don’t like Batman 😂 that one sentence would’ve saved you 10 minutes of typing lmfao

[@TheBigMannyShow]

@@whosDaBun I wrote a novel because I wanted to engage in an interesting conversation where we can share our views. I don't know where you got the idea that I hate Batman, I dont, I love Batman, and believe it or not I actually like the Arkham Series, in that comment I was specifically talking about things I didn't like or found mediocre. And even still I do say good things about the games, but that wasn't the point of the comment, just like the video mostly focuses on saying what was bad about the Spider-Man games. Also clearly your ass didn't read. I never said anything about retarded plot-holes, I said retarded plot-points. And last time I checked I was allowed to have opinions on art. I thought Arkham Knight's story was awful and news flash buddy, so did a lot of other people. I shared opinions of mine relating to the video which is the entire point of the comment section dumbass. You could have commented something engaging too but you already made your choice.

[@MrAnjo234]

idk spiderman just feels like discount dmc bc theres nothing that really incentivises you to do creative combos, and the animations are so slow that it makes stringing moves together kinda tedious, arkham combat definitely feels more unique, like I’m playing a rhythm game, less about experimentation more about keeping the combo meter up

[@thedarkknightman6150]

I hope Peter comes back in Spider-Man 3 cuz just like Bruce Peter needs a Trilogy in his own game. He cannot retire just yet

[@will_da_man_]

Of course he will, Miles ain't gonna fight Peter's arch nemesis by himself... 🤣

[@idfkimaclown]

Arkham Origins is right there. It ain’t a trilogy it’s a saga 😭

[@destinedforgreatness3030]

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[@thecringeexterminationservice]

@@idfkimaclown origins kinda goes against the central theme of the main 3 so its definitely not a trilogy

[@l.pricetag.5207]

​@@thecringeexterminationservicehow so?

[@nicholasmajor4918]

Probably the best video I’ve seen about comparing these series

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

Not Really. It's More Biased. And, Really, It's Actually Shown ALOT More. Really, Especially when he Gets to Stuff like New York, The Combat, The Foes, The Comparisons of Triple A Titles, and, Really, even the Tone which is The Most Problematic since the Game Series is Incredibly Dark and Serious Even with it's Moments. So, Really...... Heck, even Peter and Miles have Their Greatest Moments in Trip and Guilt Hallucinations. So, Really......

[@mel-el5862]

​@@sonicdihedgehog1nah the spiderman games are boring bro. No one wants to collect backpacks and spray gas for fishes and corny missions like that. Collect cat stickers? Spiderman is a garbage game.

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

@@mel-el5862 No, They're Fun and Give You More Unique Stuff and Some Insight over The History of Spidey. Really.......

[@mel-el5862]

@@sonicdihedgehog1 bruh I literally played it and it's been exposed by many people like synthetic man. 1.taking pictures of buildings boring... 2.the a.i is moronic 3.you collect cat stickers by taking pictures of stickers. 4.you spray water puddles for fishes. 5.insane repetitive crime at a very high number with no fun variation. 6.gadgets pause the combat. 7.insanely boring missions like catching pigeons, like really bro? 8.forced to do boring line puzzles and connecting puzzles which suck. 9.forced boring ass Mary Jane and human moles morales missions. I can keep going. The positives are doc ock, the music and traversal. It isn't enough in comparison. The combat is floaty and basic but fun. That's it.

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

@@mel-el5862 You Mean Fun? Like Most of Those Missions Being Fun? Yeah, Sure......Really.......Whatever.......

[@birdmanfancy9627]

I remember that transition que from a filthy frank video.. what’s that audio bite called?

[@archdukeofsuno2954]

On KZbin it's just the "oh yea song"

[@Skeditx95]

Ok let's end this...... Spider man ps4 came out in 2018 devs been working since 2015 Arkham knight came in 2015 Devs been working since 2012 Spider man PS4 is being compared to a game that came out 5 years before it.....if rocksteady made a bew Arkham game with Batman they can do 10x better than Spiderman ps4. Because those Arkham knight graphics and gameplay still holds to this date and potential they had that time is unreal. Imagine them naking new Arkham game today

[@vampireisthatyou]

glazing

[@sizar9003]

While I like Arkham more than spider man, if we talk about villains then Batman have a big flaw in boiling everything down to Joker every time. It was okay in first two games, but then it’s just like a pattern

[@Bubbles-co5rd]

is the riddle a live service game?

[@archdukeofsuno2954]

Damn you Dark Knight, you must have cheated to figure that one out

[@captainfach]

What I'm really hoping is that in Spider-Man 3 they really go more in on the free flow aspect of the combat. The main thing that makes Spider-Man combat feel worse than Batman is that you kind of feel like it's a video game you have to do a combo on this guy then go over here to do a combo on this guy and it's you know a certain amount of hits that you have to do on each guy, whereas in Batman it's a free flow your jumping from enemy to enemy and the better you do the stronger your punches are so you can start taking people out easier and it all just feels like one big fight and you're not taking turns beating up each guy individually

[@KingM3634]

I personally don’t think he should because Spider-Man already did free flow combat with TASM 1 and 2 it wasn’t really successful especially with the 2nd one and going back to combat style that already didn’t work for him wouldn’t really make sense.

[@captainfach]

@KingM3634 well the combat isn't what made those games bomb. In fact when I watch videos about spiderman games, they actually usually compliment the combat of tasm1 but hate the swinging, amd liked it again in tasm2 but hate the hero menace system.

[@KingM3634]

I completely agree with you that the combat wasn’t bad in TASM 1 and 2.But having one combat system in 2 games in then going back to free flow out of nowhere wouldn’t make sense.

[@KingM3634]

But don’t get me wrong if the 3rd did go back to free flow I would still buy it and most likely enjoy it

[@captainfach]

@@KingM3634 I just hope the third improves on the stealth. I can't believe they all but removed it. I know it wasn't very deep but they could have really improved on it and made it a lot more fun

[@bearpoop720]

Shadow of Mordor and the Arkham games are not related in any way. Rocksteady is a subsidiary of WB Games, who also happen to own Monolith Productions, the people behind Shadow of Mordor. No one really looks at the Arkham games, and goes, "hey isn't that made by WB games", they always recognize Rocksteady as the creators of these games. Still a good video, just a small error that bugged me.

[@MrEffectfilms]

Well at least you admit this is indeed unfair

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

Yeah, Really, with how Biased his Whole Video Is. So, Really......

[@MrEffectfilms]

@@sonicdihedgehog1 it feels like he didn't even play Spiderman and just just jumped on the hate train.

[@iraford5788]

@@MrEffectfilms exactly.

[@sonicdihedgehog1]

@@MrEffectfilms Yep. Really......

[@fabrix05]

Part 1: Gameplay - First you say that "you can counter every attack and not engage with the rest of your arsenal, BUT... where is the fun in that?" Then you complain about spiderman's air combat and how it takes you away from all the hazards Well… you can just throw every single enemy in the air and avoid all hazards, but where is the fun in that? - You complain about spiderman's mobility being "too effective" well what did you expect? He's a fast superhero with a spider-sense that warns him about hazards, it would contradict his character if he couldn't avoid damage. I can basically say the same about batman’s pseudo-spider sense that allows him to perfectly prevent every incoming attack, even from his back - You mention that batman has a diversity of goons that require different play styles in order to defeat and then say that spiderman circumvents that with his air combat. You completely ignored the diversity of enemies in spiderman, you forgot the big guys who will block your attacks unless you cover them in web, and they cannot be thrown in the air, you forgot the enemies with whips that will slam you into the ground if you're in the air, you forgot enemies with shields, flying enemies with jetpacks that can counterattack and lay traps in the ground, enemies that throw molotovs and set the place in fire, enemies with body armor, special types of enemies that can avoid your attacks, etc. - Then you mention that the AI is less aggressive, either you never touched the Ultimate difficulty or you are just blind. In the Ultimate difficulty you can barely finish a full basic combo because enemies keep shooting, punching and throwing grenades that you can only avoid - 5:20 wth was that argument??? "Spiderman bad bc he fast, Batman good bc he uses brain" - "Spiderman has boss fights without visual or mechanical flair" the fight Martin Li in the train, the mid air fight with Electro and Vulture, the fight with Rhino where you have to stun him using the environment, the 2nd fight with ML where you fight swarms of enemies while he summons a giant demon... And what's worse is that you then mention that batman has fights like that too. So what's the problem??? If they both have good and boring fights then what's the problem??? Part 2: Visuals and Aesthetics - About the city design, I think the city being too idealistic makes the contrast with its late game appearance more distinct and impactful, that’s all - About the enemies, you say that they are generic, not interesting and commit crimes of varying degrees of inconvenience. The enemies are very different from each other, they all have their own visual flairs and different voice lines and most of their crimes are different from each other Fisk’s goons have the uniform of his industry obv, and they keep talking about how they have to be more cautious since sm put him in jail and how they’re gonna avenge him Martin Li’s demons talk in chinese and have different masks designs and they have the ability to use ML energy. For their crimes they’re terrorist, they brutally attack the police and have trucks all around the city with explosives Raft’s fugitives have the classic orange prisoner clothing and they talk about not going back to prison. They take hostages, set buildings on fire, they drive cars while shooting… And Silver Sable’s forces have their own armor and they arrest civils from small to large scale So saying, “oh they’re all the same” is pure bullcrap - 13:03 Pretty hypocritical from you to complain about how it’s lame for Venom to be the final boss for the 2nd game, when literally in asylum, city and origins the final villain is/essentially the Joker Part 4: The trend - 16:48 Yeah a very difficult to describe and hard to diagnose problem because it doesn’t exist and you just want to say the game is bad because it is game that came out recently - And now my favorite part 16:59 “These are modern action titles, and I’m going to explain what that is” * Shows 2 completely different games, says they’re very similar, barely even elaborates why, leaves * Simply brilliant And then the explanation to what separates Batman from these other “Modern action games” is: “Omg he savagely assaults his enemies, he breaks bones and dislocates limbs” Truly the argument of the century - 19:29 You completely invalidate your own argument of “Oh these new games don’t have time for quiet moments like this bc they think they’re boring” because both Spiderman 1 and 2 have the paying respects scene, and since you realized this while editing the video, you resort to say “but it isn’t as memorable” letting your own preferences interfere with this already biased review - 20:55 And this is you being self aware that you have spent the majority of this video sucking it up to Batman’s but you don’t want people calling you out for it. But I’m gonna call you out, you’re a Batman fanboy and this is a completely biased comparison - 21:30 And this is just you saying anything you can think of to make Spiderman look bad, suddenly you were a mind reader and said that the devs are proud of the money they were able to make and not of the game itself. This is really funny because Rocksteady is the one who is infamous for having the worst and most obnoxious box art ever (Arkham city) And suddenly you were a seer and said that one of the most memorable Spiderman game series is gonna be forgotten in a few years And this is the end, you’re completely biased in favor of Batman, this comparison is completely biased and Arkham’s Batman died to Harly Quinn.

[@kingofthefleetians7569]

The best depiction of new york in a game is mafia 2

[@cobrabear6497]

I didnt like Arkham Asylum at first but that was because I tried to play it like it was Insomniacs Spider-Man. Going for one criminal until hes knocked out then move onto the next criminal, but i realised my combo meter wasnt going up and the thugs werent staying down. It wasnt until 3/4 into Asylum that I understood the flow of combat. Punch this guy, then kick that guy, jump across the room to punch this guy in particular, chuck a batarang at this guy, shock that one dude over there.

[@archdukeofsuno2954]

Combat in Arkham games are about the flow and less about actually beating up everyone. Once you learn how to weave in gadgets it becomes even more fun. It is possible to play super effective and knock everyone out real fast, but only "high level" people do that. It's more fun to just beat up everyone like normal

[@baronyip3130]

Great video, super hot take and i completely disagree with you, but it’s a very well made video so keep it up.

[@somedorkydude6483]

Theres points i dissagree with but i do think a difference between the two is the batman games is about the batman experience and spiderman is playing as spiderman. But there are things i think spiderman did better and things that arkham did better

[@amandadraws8682]

Spider-Man is the more fun game. The Batmobile in Arkham Knight is the reason I refuse to play that game further. But overall Spider-Man games draw more fans than Batman games. You can say Batman is more complicated, but the Arkham games appeal to less people. Just like how Arkham Knight is more detailed than Final Fantasy 7 Remakes, but Arkham Knight is an uglier game so Final Fantasy looks better and more appealing to most gamers

[@theelectricprince8231]

I HATE VEHICULAR SECTIONS IN ARKHAM GAMES. So when I tell you I f***ing love Arkham Knight, and I love the Batmobile, that s*** is good

[@TheBatman39]

You are seriously delusional girl

[@seriesx9508]

This seems way too biased and I just closed this. Batman is simply your of game.

[@maxaanensen]

Batman games are just superior in almost every way

[@TheRealBillix]

Arkham games feel like another world with insane detail. Spiderman games feel like AAA games with no soul

[@danebramage04]

I'm loving my arkham switch trilogy, making my way through asylum and it's just so beautiful. I have spidermans on ps5, and I'm telling you there's something I adore way more about shadow of mordor, war and also the arkham games. Maybe it's a preference of character and overall spiderman is just too goodie good for me.

[@archdukeofsuno2954]

Shadow of Mordor is pretty great too, I always enjoyed it back in the day.

[@l.pricetag.5207]

Idk if calling Spider-Man too goody is really accurate when Batman has an arguably stronger moral compass, if not a completely identical one...

[@danebramage04]

@l.pricetag.5207 well dc is always darker, always has been I guess is what I'm really saying.

[@l.pricetag.5207]

@@danebramage04 I suppose so. Really though, Batman is normally the only really dark one. Superman and Flash and Wonder Woman are all really colourful and fun too.

[@danebramage04]

@@l.pricetag.5207 I'm talking violence not the actual colors. Lol

[@TheKnight-nc7qn]

5:36 nah man monolith studios did it not rocksteady

[@omuhgordo]

22:51 activision and epic games

[@lord_drinpap1923]

22:48 idk a battle pass? (also BBBUUUSSSS)

[@sitoperez3715]

Reason why spiderman combat is over the top is cause spiderman is so much better than batman. Batman is clunky and has no powers

[@legacytv2453]

No amount of pretentious rants changes the fact that I like Marvels Spiderman 1 and 2 more than any Batman game.

[@heather.2436]

You’re black. Who cares what you think?

[@Mister_Domm]

@@heather.2436 Jesus man

[@thetriborg9588]

@@heather.2436holy crap

[@jackkawf4449]

I feel like Batman still excells in both stealth mode and content (having challenges). Spiderman, (while the AI has improved a little this time around), has terrible stealth options/gameplay, when he's also capable of being stealthy and has proven that in comics. Mainly the AI is bad, (especially Spiderman ps4), they are barely aware and don't even look up to see the numerous enemies I've webbed right there in eyesite and the don't even notice or start lookig for you.

[@KDMSHOWCASE]

Man you hit it on the head

[@ethanfutch4974]

I agree with this take . Completely Arkham games have another level of detail in them while Spider-Man games just don’t really feel that . Imo opinion the Spider-Man games feel like they are almost trying to mimic the arkham recipe . It’s not bad but it doesn’t feel like anything too creative .

[@theoutsiderjess4869]

Spiderman copies other spiderman games if you have seen the Amazing spiderman 1 and 2 the combat system is basically the same but a bit better

[@destinedforgreatness3030]

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[@kalyambaba4847]

Fr… especially the combat… it’s just way beyond spider man’s gameplay.

[@thonato295]

@@theoutsiderjess4869 wait, you can do air combos in amazing spiderman 1 and 2?

[@kevonenoch]

I don't care what you say spider man and batman arkham are both the same amazing games so bad review for you 😢

[@buzzjaylen2730]

Your points are reallt bad and disenguius

[@heather.2436]

Just like your writing skills

[@arandomguysshh8614]

u were being very disingenuous towards spiderman

[@Lenayar16]

Yeah. Arkham is trying to be a good Batman's game, whereas Spiderman is trying to be a good triple A. I completely agree with you (it's the same thing for all sony exclusivity). But, many spidey's fan will probably don't understand. You should watch this video : kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ6TY42bgJWjqposi=-STWaHeR5WB9JNeR It's the same idea

[@AndrewsSecrets360]

Arkham walked so that Spider-Man could run

[@soulstealer567]

arkham ran so spiderman could trip over

[@Blurredlines777]

Batman arkham series is the best and most influencial superhero game series