Batman Is Defined By Heartbreak | Batman The Animated Series | The New Batman Adventures

Join me for my Valentines Day special as I look at Batman Mask of the Phantasm and The New Batman Adventures episode Chemistry to illustrate how Batman is defined by his broken heart.
Perfect viewing on such a romantic day!
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:47 Manly Bands Promotion
01:39 Bruce's First Love
03:10 The Ideal Standard
04:41 Batman's Other Relationships
05:06 Chemistry
05:43 Susan's Deception
07:35 Poison Ivy's Scheme
08:40 Batman's Reaction
09:44 Batman's Pain
10:54 Chemistry's Ending
12:04 Conclusion
12:25 Self-Promotion
12:53 Next Time
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[@SerumLake]

And welcome to new member: Elata!

[@DwarfDaddy]

That scene at his parent’s grave in the rain is truly heartbreaking. He’s apologizing for finding love and being happy. It felt like we were getting a bat to the ribs

[@seeleunit2000]

Yep, it was painful. Seriously that movie was amazing.

[@ianfinrir8724]

Kevin Conroy said that the "I didn't count on being happy" speech was his favorite moment as Batman.

[@ButchererofSweden]

I loved watching Kirk Langstrom and his wife being part of the witnesses at Bruce's wedding. It's pretty wholesone to see a reformed Batman villain attending the wedding of his former enemy. Speaking of that, it would have been pretty cool if they also had shown Arnold Wesker at the ceremony.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Helps that the tie-in Gotham Adventures comics featuring Kirk can fit as prequels, since he got cured from his past comics ailments later on there Perhaps Arnold refused, due to not being that interested in love, I guess.

[@CapnAlces]

I completely missed that. So glad you pointed it out.

[@ButchererofSweden]

A rather notable aspect of the Chemistry episode is the Bat-Family members' reaction to Bruce's retirement and marriage. While Nightwing strongly believes that such a marriage will fail because Bruce could never stop being Batman, Barbara honestly believes that Bruce deserves and can be happy after everything he has suffered, ironically being the one who has high expectations for their marriage. Tim on the other hand is just like "Bro....Really?"

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Funny Barbara ends up with the same views as Dick in the future. Despite her betraying Dick for Bruce, she doesn't take accountability that she helped cause a lot more pain.

[@zemox2534]

YEAH BARB IN BATMAN BEYOND IS VERY UNLIKEABLE. ​@@mandalorianhunter1

[@TheDufflebagGang]

​@@mandalorianhunter1 I adore so much about the DCAU, but god do I absolutely detest that they ever hooked up, much less had any sort of romantic relationship.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@TheDufflebagGang I agree and other iterations would take from this.

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

The way Bruce treats his wife after finding out she's a Poison Ivy plant is pretty funny. While Tim continued to love Annie even after discovering her mud nature and was devastated by her death, Bruce simply let the plant die in cold blood like: "Meh. I don't wanna anything with something that's not even legally considered alive. I'm already satisfied with Selina and Barbara...", throwing away the wedding ring as if nothing had happened between them🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@demod2080]

It shows that Tim is a very loving person, openly behaving like himself with or without the costume on. Dick is the same way, even moreso after he became Nightwing. Bruce just suffered from repressing his emotions for so long. After so much heartbreak, it's easy for him to return back to his cold hearted self so he down have to acknowledge the pain of betrayal and the sadness that comes with caring.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Everyone has their flaws. Bias against nonhumans can be one of them.

[@CapnAlces]

Just gonna remind people that Annie was a lost and confused victim who wanted nothing to do with Clayface, and did everything in her limited power to protect Tim from him. Susan was gaslighting Bruce with the aid of chemical doping so she could murder him at sea. Not really the same. But it does bother me how readily the entire Bat family just kills them all. Like, the no killing rule was fairly established in this series. I know they were plant people, but they were still definitely PEOPLE.

[@seeleunit2000]

​@@CapnAlcesExactly. There was a difference between Annie and the plant woman. Though, you did bring up a very good point. I suppose the no kill rule for Batman and the crew is no killing Humans. When it comes to anyone that's not a Homosapien, then there's a very big grey area.

[@The_Phantasm]

You know something interesting, I actually saw the "Chase Me" short before I had seen the episode "Chemistry" and so when I saw the episode I thought "Oh that's nice that they actually are picking up a plot point from it" because at the end of the short a woman that looked exactly like Susan asked Bruce for a dance. Obviously when I got older I realised that they probably just reused the character model from the episode for "Chase Me". Unless you want to say that the short takes place before the episode.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Am of the opinion that Chase Me is an interquel to Gotham Girls and Mystery of of the Batwoman, and that it features Catwoman's last ever heist before being put into maximum security so maximum she never came out of it, *ever.*

[@GreyhawkGrognard]

Technically, I suppose there wouldn't have *been" a Terry McGinnis, if Bruce hadn't become Batman.

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

The relationship between Batman and Poison Ivy is much more interesting than what it seems, being sadly overshadowed by the most popular shippings with Selina and Talia. Ivy, despite being by far the vilest female Batman villain, is perhaps the one who has most openly shown her love for the dark knight, even having altars and posters of him in her Arkham cell. She has actually said several times that the opportunity to meet Batman was her main motivation for becoming a villain, not to mention that she has told the caped crusader everytime he has saved her life that she knows he deep down loves her. The definitive proof that Ivy needed to be sure about Batman's feelings for her is the gift that he gave her for helping him in a case: a huge cell in Arkham in which the Sun entered abundantly, giving great well-being to both her and her plants. As for Batman, Bruce has openly affirmed, even without being being affected by the toxin, that Ivy is the most beautiful woman he has ever met, without even Selina being able to compete with her. In fact, when Bruce was under the effects of Ivy's toxin for months, he felt a genuine pleasure and peace with her, something he actually missed after being released. The reason the two have not entered into a serious romantic relationship is simply because Bruce is aware that Ivy is too evil and twisted for their bond to work, so anything romantic between them gets sadly reduced to pure fantasy

[@alexlemonds2838]

Him and Ivy are more alike than most people realize. They're both highly intelligent, resourceful people driven by a life consuming cause and want to make a difference in the world. Even how Pam was first depicted in Pretty Poison, as a wealthy person with a dual costumed identity, mirrored Bruce. The key difference is that while Poison Ivy is willing to kill Batman firmly abides by his no killing rule. I do like how in Eternal Youth she's seemingly trying to convince him to join her side, recognizing how similar they are, it ultimately being to no avail. So, I don't think it's that big a stretch to say the DCAU version did in fact carry a little torch for him, some modicum of twisted affection.

[@milosbatmanvideos]

Batman villains beyond: Big Time - Two-Face Blight - Rupert Thorne Abel Cuiver - Professor Milo Earthmover - Poison Ivy Ghoul - Scarecrow Inque - Clayface Jackson Chappell - Bane J-Man - Joker King Cobra - Killer Croc Woof - Man-Bat

[@CrocsFortress]

I’d say that Spellbinder is more of the Scarecrow since they both are teachers who mess with peoples minds to cause them fear and manipulate them.

[@6DireWolf9]

I think that gasp in horror had more to do with that blow with the baseball bat across the ribcage from the biker Bruce didn't see. In my humble opinion of course. Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm is one of my favorite films.

[@SerumLake]

I see why you say that, but she has two shocked reactions. The first one, when she sees Bruce punch the biker off his bike is the one that distracts Bruce. The second gasp is when Bruce gets smacked with the bat, as you said.

[@jackofallclaws6672]

A Dark Knight clad in the garb of a creature of fear, all the while shielding his heart from the world…yeah, that sounds pretty accurate!

[@DonWeaselYeehawEdition]

Batman, more than a lot of other heroes, really is defined by tragedy. Because no matter how many times I watch Mask of the Phantasm or this episode, I never go, “Bruce, you fool! Gotham needs you!” Or “something obviously isn’t right here, you’re being so gullible”. Despite me knowing how these stories end, seeing Bruce (not Batman) potentially having a happy love life and an escape from his past guilt is always something I want for him. I get excited that he’s ready to hang up the cowl. But if he does, the story ends and like you said, people that need him get hurt. So he can’t have that. In my opinion It’s what makes Batman just as timeless as Sherlock Holmes or James Bond. We want the best and the worst for him, at the same time.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

At least Holmes ended his career triumphantly and not alone come the World War I-focused "His Last Bow" (and maybe even Neil Gaiman's "The Case of Death and Honey"). Not sure about Bond though.

[@demod2080]

This is such a sad episode. Not only because yet again Poison Ivy is almost saved by Batman in another seemingly tragic death, but because of how quick Batman is to disregard the life of Susan being snuffed out by the sea. It's very much the attitude he has in his older years in Batman Beyond, where he has no patience or compassion for the criminals of Neo Gotham.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Kind of says something on how people think of the 80s and 90s in comparison to the post-9/11 2000s.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

​@@michaelandreipalon359curiosly that episode happened before that terrible attack, like an omen, I guess.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@MutantsInDisguise Not really, that ep came out few years before that even happened. If one wants a scarily predictive situation, there's the absence of the Twin Towers in the Deus Ex video game.

[@jacklansdale77]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Reminds me of the scene in one of the muppet movies, I think maybe it was its a wonderful life with the muppets. Where it was filmed and edited before 9/11, but released after. So during the 'this is what the world would be like without you' segment the twin towers are still standing which implies that somehow Kermit existing caused 9/11. Edit: I did a little bit of research, the same film also shows the same scene with the absence of the twin towers so its actual canon.

[@unknownfrequency7024]

They always bring it up in lore about how much joker loves batman, in his own twisted way trying to help Bruce realize the mask is a cover for his emotions,I think we all know Bruce is hurting everyday and his villains can understand and in their own way respect that, to batman his villains could be considered family and why he wants to rehabilitate them

[@geronimus-prime]

Bruce Wayne is often described as a _millionaire playboy._ As a child, this phrase meant merely a naughty magazine I wasn't supposed to know about. But before Hef had made that word into his personal brand, it described a certain type of New World wastrel. Primo genitor to a ruthless American robber-baron. Dad may have risen early, worked hard, and struck oil. But for Junior, life was just a bowl of cherries: all fruit and no labours. The model Kane and Finger likely had in mind was Howard Hughes, who inherited 75% of his petro-technocrat father's estate at age 19. He used that fortune to get into Hollywood on the ground floor and pushed the envelope of aerospace technology just before the US got into World War II. No wonder he made a killing! As a young movie mogul, Hughes was known to make use of his access to successive crops of Hollywood starlets. To his generation of macho elites, the word _romance_ meant a series of casual conquests. The thrill of the chase, and no time for sentiment. Tough-talking, hard drinking. And frequent rolls in the hay. It was an adolescent fantasy. And I have no doubt it was Bob Kane's too. As much as his wish to be _el Zorro._ But is this how Bruce Wayne truly behaved? (You, who know the early comics better than anyone?) Adam West's Wayne seemed squeaky clean. But if we read Burt Ward's _My Life in Tights,_ we learn the lascivious truth was not fit for broadcast before the watershed. Yet in Frank Miller's _Dark Knight Returns,_ Gordon lets slip that Bruce was apparently faking it. At all those power lunches and society galas, his champagne glass was secretly full of diet ginger ale. In _Year One,_ we even find Bruce paying escorts - not to actually go to bed with him, but only to pretend they had. His flirtations with Selina and Talia can be seductive and charming. Full of longing, and an ardent desire for possession. But that's just attraction. Love is more like loyalty. It must be built by piling up its proofs. Day after day, year over year. Long after life has ceased to be either seductive or charming. Bruce can't do that. He could have, with Andrea. But he won't now. The choice he's made won't leave him enough hours in the day. And if family is about putting in the hours, then I guess Alfred is Bruce's only family - something Keaton's Bruce managed to point out. Keaton's Bruce - who was too honest to tell Vicky Vale they'd « _try to love each other_ » - also got a hair closer to his own _actually_ happy _actual_ ending with Pfeifer's Selina. His ripping off of the cowl at the end of _Returns_ seemed to suggest he was willing to throw in the towel, if only he could save someone as demented as himself. (Whether he succeeded or not is left up in the air. But I'm sort of glad that was the final Burton film - so I can make believe the answer is yes.) But all this brings me back to _Phantasm._ Could Conroy's Bruce really have played the cad with Veronica Vreeland? He who seemed so tragic and pure? That drink in the face seems to suggest he did worse than not return her calls. I guess grown-ups are complicated. There's always the official story. And then what we do in the shadows. Bruce isn't made of stone, after all. Maybe he would never consciously _do_ anything to make Veronica think he didn't care. But that fact may still have become obvious through his omissions. The generation that was reared on BTAS was born post women's lib. About half of us were the product of what they still called « _broken homes_ ». We entered adolescence only a few years after the worst ravages of the AIDS epidemic. At the time, the idea of a _playboy_ seemed a trifle outmoded. I'm sure they still existed. But in that time and place, we learned about the sexual revolution in history class, and playboys lay somewhere outside the cultural ideal.

[@SerumLake]

Very well said. Another commenter suggested that Bob Kane was likely influenced by The Great Gatsby, which I can totally believe. Early comic Bruce Wayne did have regular girlfriends, most notably the actress Julie Madson, but his time spent as Batman (and having to slip off, making some lame excuses, in order to become Batman) put a strain on their relationship. I absolutely think that there was more to a Bruce and Veronica’s relationship at one point, but it never stood a chance of going anywhere.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Well spoken, lad/lass, although Batman Returns does have recent sequel comics that don't deem Batman Forever and Batman & Robin as cannot.

[@matthewk122]

Batman always Defined By 💔

[@zemox2534]

The more you think about Batman in the DCAU, the more tragic he becomes. Chemistry was a bitter sweet adventure for Bruce, as he was forced to watch his one chance at happiness slip away. The pheromones may have influenced Bruce, but he chose to marry Susan. He chose to be happy because, on a subconscious level, he wants to be happy, even if he won't admit it.

[@Elfenlied8675309]

Yes!, The tentacles coming out from under the dress made me think of Scylla the Sea Monster from The Odyssey.

[@1000jjwalker]

minute 4:40 I interpolated that scene the exact same way. Well stated.

[@NightmareScarecrow]

Batman doesn’t want anyone to feel the pain he experienced that night. But despite that, he still keeps his discipline. It’s important that he does. Keep making cool content!❤️

[@alexandrefrauches132]

I'm have mix opinions about "Batman can't be happy" argument. On one hand it fits with the dark tone of his stories and gives people a message that it's possible to overcome tragedy and keep doing good for others, that a person doesn't need to be marry in order to be happy or have a purpose in life. However I think the whole "Batman must choose one thing or another" and "He can't be hero if someone is waiting for him at home" or "if he's married he becomes less effective as hero" it's dumb. Not only many other heroes like Superman and Spider Man, as well real people like cops and soldiers, proved these arguments wrong (they all have families and still do jobs that are risky), but it complete ignores all the other people in Batman's life, like Alfred or Robin, who also are worry for his safety.

[@SoraFan23]

Thats why Batman is a great character. He is a human just like everyone else and is allowed to feel emotions.

[@JasonLyman-ny4hm]

Personally I feel as though Bruce didn’t choose the right path by dedicating himself fully to Batman. Sure, Gotham is probably better off with him in those early years, but after he bring Dick, Barbara, and Tim into his life, Instead of seizing the opportunity to move on from his grief, he regresses further into Batman. He loses the humanity and compassion of Bruce Wayne and becomes cold and unfeeling towards the criminals of Gotham. Now he does bring himself from the blackness of vengeance in the Justice League, but as we see in BB after that subsides and his relationship with Diana falls through he regresses even further into the hermit we see in the beginning of the show. In the end, Bruce dies with only Terry left in his life. Never really breaking from his grief or growing as a person. He should have at least made strides to be better with his relationships.

[@CapnAlces]

The tragedy never ends for Bruce. Poor guy. That said, I appreciate his post-traumatic growth (a concept I learned from another BTAS fan project, The Arkham Sessions). Also, can't wait to hear your thoughts on Roxy Rocket, the breakout babe not meant to be. I like the idea of her, but Roxy was laid on really thick. I think they tried too hard. When we rewatched STAS and saw her cameo, and Supes says "So you're the 'famous' Roxy Rocket," I laughed and said out loud, "No, she isn't." My GF asks, "Who?" I go "Roxy Rocket." And she says back, "Oh yeah, Betty Bombshell!"

[@xxsilentreatmentxx]

Looking forward to next week's Roxy Rocket episode. She's an original Timm creation that gets almost no love. Her spotlight episode is wonderful, they squeezed in everything you could really do with the pretty limited character. I have a soft spot for episodes that feature villains who serve their one and only purpose in one story. Sewer King, Ventris, Baby Doll, Maxie Zeus, they had perfect one time appearances. (Yes I'm aware Baby Doll appeared again but that exception proves the rule because Love is a Croc is abysmal on all levels)

[@Chadius]

3:05 hurts so much. He's asking his parents for forgiveness because he will stop avenging them in order to get married and live a happy life. I think his parents would approve of moving beyond his survivor's guilt and settling down, but he still hasn't mentally healed.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

Fantastic video, Serum, about my all-time favorite incarnation of Batman of all time.

[@CL12356]

Thank you for covering this. I’ve often thought that this was the most underrated episode.

[@fcomolineiro7596]

Ah batman also called "Da bat" also called "BATS" also called "IT'S BAT"

[@amircash]

The shot from 2:14 is definitely feels inspired by Akira, timing and framing feel almost the same. The scene where Kanada save Tetsuo and his girlfriend from a rival gang.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

That is one brutal scene. Then again, the rest of the film is like that.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Bruce doesn't know how to be happy because when it happens, he doesn't know how to let go back of his pain, anger and grief. Dick becomes more pragmatistic like Bruce while Barbara tries to be hopeful only for her to end up like Dick in the future.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Things changed, as always.

[@VALonYouTube]

I must admit I was surprised when Ivy's evolution from Pretty Poison to Chemistry was referenced in this video since the Poison Ivy in TNBA isn't the same one as in BTAS. The original Pamela Isley left Gotham in House and Garden.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

That depends on whether or not the tie-ins are part of the animated "gospel" or not.

[@shikishinobi]

So this was an interesting essay on Bruce and his emotional state. I would also have added the episode Out of the Past from batman Beyond, where Bruce faces the regrets of those he loved and lost, and how his emotional weakness allowed Ras to try and trap him. It is also.something that happens to all of us as we get older; we sit and reflect on our life choices and what we might have done differently, and how Bruce can no longer dawn the suit to shield himself.

[@CampChamp00]

Wow. Man you've really made me realize how complex of a character Bruce Wayne is. This is why Zack Snyder is getting the criticism he's getting. Bruce has so many layers and reasons as to why he is the way he is. Keep up the good work, man.

[@Xehanort10]

3:39 Bruce and Andrea's relationship in Mask of the Phantasm makes more sense than Nolan Batman's relationship with Rachel in Batman Begins. Bruce loved Andrea to the point he'd give up becoming Batman for her. But in Begins a childhood crush is treated like adult love then at the end Rachel dumps him for being different from he was before he left for 7 years. Half the reason he gives up being Batman for 8 years before Rises is because Rachel chose Harvey and friendzoned him.

[@Chainsawman447]

I wish we got more batman the animated series eps

[@scottbruckner4653]

4:23 The first thing I thought about after hearing that is Superman Going from Jeans and a red varsity jacket in smallville kansas, to the old Red, Yellow, and blue True Blue Suit and how that is the perfect antithisis to THIS.

[@ericgaskins571]

Great video. Hadn't seen this one in a long time. I just started re-watching btas from the start and im really enjoying it. Can't wait to see the next one

[@ethanruckert3871]

Just found your channel and I love the content! Keep it up

[@SerumLake]

Welcome aboard!

[@JacqueBruce0]

You sir are criminally undersubbed! I could listen to your videos for hours on end (and have). Very well done sir

[@dariusthurman8835]

I wish Poison Ivy was more of a love interest for Batman in BTAS

[@mesektet5776]

In retrospect, Ivy won ‘Almost Got ‘Em’, Didn’t she?

[@SerumLake]

Until the events of Return of the Joker, I’d say so!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Good one, this!

[@Scrinwaipwr]

When an absolute Chad like Bruce Wayne / Batman struggles to find and keep romantic love, I feel less like a loser for having the same problem.

[@SellavinAtoms]

This is one of my favorite episodes.

[@Dracossaint]

Your SEO is effective. was checking if batman the animated series and the new batman adventures were different series. You showed up, thought that would be nice to know :)

[@JGBricks]

Can’t wait for this premiere!

[@SerumLake]

Hope it doesn't disappoint!

[@JGBricks]

@@SerumLake it won’t, your content is amazing I’ve been a lifetime Batman fan myself and I love your character analysis video essays, keep it up!

[@Scrinwaipwr]

​@@SerumLakeit didn't disappoint.

[@Revkor]

the sad thign one marriage could have worked for him. Wonder Woman. as a warrior she would understand his need and even help him but Bruce refused to see it

[@Hkarim00]

Hey man, just discovered your channel from the lydia loves timeline video, and i want to say, i'm a very huuuge fans of BTAS and the DCAU in general, been waiting for someone to discuss that show So here's a follow

[@SerumLake]

Thanks, and welcome aboard!

[@MichaelSpikes-pv6kl]

Good review

[@alexandrefrauches132]

This episode was probably inspired by "Hothouse", a story from Legends of the Dark Knight issues 42 and 43, in which Ivy manipulates some murders and uses her pheromones on Batman, causing him to become distracted during the investigation. It's a very underrated comic book and has one my favorites takes on Ivy, with her not being a costume villain, but rather just a average looking woman and it's her pheromones that cause her victims to allucinate and see her as this gorgeus godness of nature all fans know.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Caped Crusader may probably use this.

[@wrylucifer]

9:30 Nah, that's just the truth. Even in the Bible & Greek myth many men have met their demise by way of wicked women because men are simple creatures at the base, it's a tale as old as time. There are even the modern examples of prince Henry or even just average men throwing their life's savings at E-girls. This assessment of the imagery is spot on because even the strongest of men can falter or be manipulated at a moment of weakness, and that weakness is normally women. Which itself can be flipped from a femtatal to a bad guy going after the Hero's girl, such as Major Force shoving Kyle Rayner's girlfriend into the fridge.

[@IcyCrystalStar]

Yeah it's not sxist at all when it's just the truth.

[@Hack_Man_VII]

Can't help but wonder if Ivy found some emergency scuba gear before it was too late for her.

[@CorbinLeonard-rp4et]

Ivy is also a plant clone to. The real ivly is still out there

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Depends if one deems Batman Adventures 2003 and the other tie-ins as canon to the animated stuff.

[@CorbinLeonard-rp4et]

@@michaelandreipalon359 hmmm then why she has white skin in Batman adventures but not Batman the animated series

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@CorbinLeonard-rp4et I always thought of it as light-green though.

[@CorbinLeonard-rp4et]

@@michaelandreipalon359 but why

[@seansmith6255]

Ah yes Chemistry The episode where ivy tries to forcefully kiss a little boy

[@takenname8053]

Bro can't catch a break.

[@kimeraclan3135]

First Ivy created Michael, followed up by Val, then George, Chris, the missed opportunity that was Ben, culminating in Ivy and Condiment King's lovechild... Robert!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

...Are these actor names?

[@kimeraclan3135]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Definitely, I just couldn't help myself but make the connection.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Won't be surprised if the MotP biker takedown scene is based on contemporary anime back then on the 90s; betting on AKIRA if not Dirty Pair for inspirational animation basis. "Chemistry" is a good enough episode, but even I think Ivy's pheromonal modus operandi feels like it happens too fast and especially too well against Bruce initially. 9:31: Says something if and when one is of the opinion that Poison Ivy "post-House & Garden" is always a series of independent plant clones just doing the remorseful woman's dirty work up to the Justice League era. Really, now, gotta admire the possibilities of Ivy's creations getting increasingly self-intelligent and becoming their own people. 10:20: Brings into mind Luz Noceda's late father Manny from The Owl House, if not possible Star Wars storylines where Order 66 was successfully prevented and the Empire never formed. Imagine a worldline where the good man miraculously got cured of his ails, *only to doom an entire magical world via humanocentric genocide whilst making sure Luz stays cripplingly sheltered because his daughter never read a charming book series named The Good Witch Azura which results in her never finding friends, courage, inspiration, and love,* and imagine a worldline where Palpatine's machinations were successfully foiled and having newly appointed Jedi Master Anakin and his beloved Padme happily and publicly giving birth to twins, among other triumphs... *only for the galaxy to be utterly curbstomped by the extragalactic Yuuzhan Vong due to unprevented complacency and the sore lack of adaptation on matters with the stagnant Republic and the spoiled Jedi Order.* (In short, it's Flashpoint all over again.) Kind of racist, the fact that in cartoons like this, we can't see humans melt into goop, and yey we're allowed to see plant people be give such horrible treatment. 11:20: That's one more Ivy plant clone down, I guess. 11:29: The TV Tropes page for this episode makes one feel sympathetic for Susan because of this brutal ice coldness. Shame this didn't explore The Batman Adventures issue 33 - "Just Another Night". So, which is better, comics Roxy Rocket or animated canon Roxy Rocket?

[@Scrinwaipwr]

I have a fractured rib at the moment so I really felt 2:48

[@SerumLake]

Ouch! Sorry to hear that!!!

[@Scrinwaipwr]

@@SerumLake mostly my own stupid fault it was.

[@gamerskater17]

2:12 I know an Akira reference when I see it

[@user-nh1lp2td7c]

I think in the DCAU Wonder Woman might be the best choice of girlfriend for Batman. But I Wonder what was her fate in Batman Beyond? Is she dead, retired or did she returned to Themyscyra?

[@renardofranklin608]

Are you going to do a video of Roxy rocket I've always had a soft spot for that character to the point where I thought up a story idea where her and firefly team up. I just thought it would be an interesting idea given both their backgrounds working in film and their extreme tendencies.

[@phillipcox7533]

I actually thought he wanted to be with Selina but couldn't get passed her being thief. Talia I feel she loved him more than he loved her. Also Diana...I felt he may have been too intimidated by her.

[@biguy617]

Do a video on Batman and Wonder Woman.

[@SerumLake]

Maybe next year's valentine's day?

[@XxAramisxX]

Bruce never dated Veronica Vreeland. The woman in Mask of the Phantasm was a nobody voiced by Marilyn Henner. You can tell by the hairstyle. Veronica’s arc has always been consistent in the DCAU- a close but vapid socialite friend of Bruce Wayne.

[@SerumLake]

Tell that to Kevin Altieri and Dan Riba - both confirmed that the woman who threw the drink was Veronica Vreeland.

[@edwardgaines6561]

2:13 Hey, did they rip that off from the anime _Akira?_ 😅

[@bgvo4373]

No mention of Diana/Wonder Woman, the one woman who accepts both Bruce and Batman?

[@SerumLake]

Only because they didn’t have a romantic relationship. Almost, but not quite.

[@bgvo4373]

@@SerumLakebut they did. They were in love with each other.

[@bgvo4373]

@@SerumLakewho’s to say they didn’t date before Batman Beyond?

[@jackthegreek6092]

SPOILERS There would be no Terry without Andrea walking away, lol.

[@VALonYouTube]

🤨 Anyone is welcome to disagree with my observation, but Veronica Vreeland does NOT show up in Mask of the Phantasm.

[@SerumLake]

Tell that to Dan Riba and Kevin Altieri - they’re the ones that pointed it out to me!

[@VALonYouTube]

@@SerumLake Thank you for that. Like I wrote, "anyone is welcome to disagree with [me]", but she looks nothing like Veronica Vreeland. Her portrayal throughout the DCAU is also entirely different.

[@memeulesrift6008]

wow your videos are really informing...you ever thought of doing videos on the arkhamverse characters? i knoow the arkham games are deeply inspierd by BTAS... just saying, a video on the arkham knight would be cool lol

[@SerumLake]

Maybe one video, but I don’t think I have a lot to say about the Arkham games. I’ll have to think about it more.

[@memeulesrift6008]

The Arkham verse is more expansive then you may think, and it has a vary similar process to BTAS when it comes to how the design characters, and just like BTAS it took lesser characters like anarky and updated him. Just a thought I guess but I'd say it's worth looking into it, especially considering they managed to modernize the riddler where BTAS struggled to...

[@jihadx5307]

That’s not Veronica Vreeland throwing that drink in Bruce’s face.

[@SerumLake]

Yes it is. Dan Riba and Kevin Altieri both told me it was.

[@jihadx5307]

@@SerumLake I’d need to see proof of that because there’s a different character model & voice actress for her. Then, how would Bruce lose Veronica’s number when they’re always together when he’s posing as a socialite?

[@SerumLake]

@@jihadx5307check out my Mask of the Phantasm commentary track with Dan, Kevin, and Brad Rader - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3Wxq4FsZpWkopo It’s the same voice actress, it’s just that she has a different haircut because Phantasm is supposed to be a prequel to (most of) BTAS.

[@SerumLake]

Just to add that the phone number line isn’t literal. The implication from this scene is that he had a sexual relationship with her and then ghosted her.