Batman v Superman Before Snyder: The Lost Film by Wolfgang Petersen

[@GuyWebz]

Top cancelled comic book movies I would’ve loved to see: 1. Spider Man 4 2. Superman Lives 3. Batman vs Superman 4. Fantastic Four 3(the sequel to Rise of the Silver Surfer) 5. Ben Affleck’s “The Batman” 6. Batman Beyond 7. Batman: Year One 8. The Amazing Spider Man 3 9. Hellboy 3 10. Justice League Mortal

[@mikej8542]

Garth Evans Deathstroke is number 1 I want to see 😣😣

[@GaeaProjects]

Ben Affleck's Batman is rumored to be developed into a HBO Max show if Zack Snyder's Justice League is a hit. If true you might see that one day.

[@srstriker6420]

What about David S Goyer’s flash movie?

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

@@srstriker6420 what about green lantern 2

[@matthewstoneback9]

There damn well should've been a Hellboy III.😒

[@DrButthugger]

Another one?! I am loving this series, can’t imagine all the work that went behind these videos, keep it up!

[@guitarhero8110]

Dude I was just thinking that. Just popping out feature length docs like its easy.

[@AFchris77]

They've been some seriously wonderful content.

[@kevincruise3521]

Forreal! The only videos you can find on cancelled DC Flicks are like 10 minutes long max. Legit said hell yeah when I saw they posted a new one😂

[@SSmith-yh5nz]

Had WB gone through with these they would have beat Marvels MCU.... but WB is known more for their bad descions than they are for good movies.

[@anirbanmitra4189]

Lotr , Harry potter, matrix what about them everything from 2000 to 2010 belonged to them

[@mistermastermind528]

@@anirbanmitra4189 The Dark Knight Trilogy also.

[@anirbanmitra4189]

@@mistermastermind528 yes these people suffer from recency bias

[@mistermastermind528]

@@anirbanmitra4189 That's what I thought also.

[@anirbanmitra4189]

@@mistermastermind528 most of these guys are Disney fanboys anyways

[@Clayton_Henderson]

That image of the scream of Superman shattering every window in the city sounds amazing. Sometimes I wish that a bunch of these cancelled DC projects got made, for better or for worse, they all sound like each writer and director had unique visions.

[@PrinceLuis100]

And now Colin is the Penguin. Strange how Fate works.

[@OvertheHedge06]

First he was Bullseye!

[@rarevhsvault9975]

@@OvertheHedge06 bullseye opposite future batman affleck.

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

As much of a meme as John Peters is, I can’t helped but be charmed into rooting for the guy when it’s so obvious he cares about the projects he works on. I don’t for a second believe he’s only in it for the profit. Even if his impulses are very quick and loosely reasoned, I don’t feel like I can detest the guy for how he much he respects the properties he works on. He probably thinks his ideas are more genius than they are, but I do truly believe he thinks he’s servicing the project above all else.

[@waynesolo]

Agreed

[@allendean9807]

If it doesn’t have a giant spider, Peters is a hard NO....

[@PokePub]

Beat me to it 😂

[@darthbriboy]

Fucking lol!!!!

[@Blitzo8390]

Colin Farrell is now the Penguin years after not getting the chance to play Batman To be honest, an Irish Batman sounds a bit weird, but I think Farrell will do a great job as The Penguin, I mean he looks unrecognisable and the Penguin has been adapted as a British person so I don’t think an Irish Penguin will be a problem

[@srstriker6420]

Such a waste because if you seen War Dogs you would be begging for Jonah Hill as the penguin

[@ashleytuchin7693]

Well, there's been a Welsh Batman, so I think an Irish Batman would be fine.

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

@@srstriker6420what about gabirel Byrne as penguin if they ever made a dark knight 4

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

@@ashleytuchin7693 well if thre can be a Welsh batman and. A British batman then thres room for an Irish batman

[@srstriker6420]

@@zacharyjochumsen9677 no!

[@alanwakeish]

Clooney's idea of a Batman movie sounded absolutely terrible.

[@thelittlepasty8360]

Why

[@jokerzwild00]

Disagreed. I mean we didn't hear much of it but as a basic setup it sounds compelling enough to make me want to hear the rest of his pitch. As long as it was treated with respect and the writing/acting was good I'd love to watch something like that.

[@DalekOfChaos666]

What was his pitch again?

[@thelittlepasty8360]

@@DalekOfChaos666 lower budget film noir Batman. Sounds great to me tbh

[@davinci3478]

i bet your the type of guy who likes bvs then

[@marcodabatman]

I wish I had a teleporter and jsut travel to alternate Earths where these cancelled comic book movies happened : (

[@Facade953]

Same here!

[@travelingjazzman117]

It's interesting how when Superman fights Batman, he never really wants to hurt him. In fact, Superman usually just throws Batman around. But he never uses heat vision directly on Batman's face. He never uses freeze breath to freeze Batman or his gadgets. He never picks up a huge concrete bolder or a huge truck to smash Batman. Nope. He just throws Batman around. So their fight is never really exciting, especially since we all know that Batman will win anyway.

[@eliaslachenal1964]

Pretty much sums up BvS to Me..

[@TheVampirePredator]

As Batman has said, "Deep down inside, he's a good guy. I'm not." Batman can beat Superman because he uses Superman's code against him. However, because of Batman's code, he will never truly follow up on finishing Superman. Remember that Batman is the same guy that tries to influence Superman into not killing freaking Darkseid.

[@Vraptor1]

@@TheVampirePredator Although it would be fruitless since Darkseid can’t be killed directly. His true self exists in another plane of reality.

[@lawrencesmith835]

I agree on all you wrote. Superman could have killed Batman. That would have made for a better movie because then Lex Luther would have won in making humanity hate Superman.

[@waynetech10]

Most villains would be no match, for a Superman, with Ultraman's morality. Remember, the Crime Syndicate WON, on their Earth. And Superman has defeated Batman, in a few clashes, once even putting in intensive care, for several issues.

[@Jared_Wignall]

I find it interesting how many Superman films were planned and never made. Same with Batman. I also find it interesting that before he actually played Batman in Batman Begins, Christian Bale was in talks to play Batman in Batman vs Superman and Batman: Year One. It’s like they wanted Bale to be Batman, while also offering Josh Hartnett to be Superman in Batman vs Superman. Makes me wonder what the film could have been like if both of them agreed to play the characters and the film would have been made. Would Bale have done more Batman movies? Would Hartnett continued to play Superman in future films? Or would both had been fine doing one film having played the characters once.

[@osmanyousif7849]

I think they did plan a BvS film where in would be after the events of Batman Begins and Superman Returns.

[@Jared_Wignall]

@@osmanyousif7849also, since Bale did have a three film deal to play Batman, I’m curious if Batman vs Superman did happen after Batman Begins and Superman Returns if Batman vs Superman would have been seen as part of the three film contract he had to play Batman or if he’d have another contract to do that film and possibly any follow ups that a Batman vs Superman film could have happened regarding any sort of Justice League type stuff that could have been brewing at that time, particularly since Bale has said he’d only play Batman/Bruce Wayne if Nolan was in the directors chair these days and if he’d have the same sort of mindset back when starting to play Batman. Seems like he’d have that mindset back then, but of course at that point Nolan had a deal to make two Batman films so who knows what would have happened.

[@alanwakeish]

An Alfred A.I didn't work that well in the dark multiverse.

[@ranwolf7650]

isn't that the point of the Dark Multiverse?

[@Facade953]

Eventually, it merged with Batman and Murder Machine was created.😁

[@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley]

It is interesting that, despite the overall quality of the scripts, all of these treatments understand a very crucial thing in the dynamic between Batman and Superman: They are two opposite sides of the same coin, one is a pessimistic dark vigilante while the other is a cheerful bright hero. Too bad the movie we ended up getting didn't understood that very well.

[@jamessoto7652]

The hell you new I thought you are from early or late 2016 or early 2017 sorry man but you should watch ultimate edition to cuz more I watch it the more I understand I would say getting a feeling zack's movie wasn't supposed to be a batman vs superman to begin with and WB just to push the advertising as is they are known to be very scummy WB don't understand DC characters but they just don't care

[@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley]

@@jamessoto7652 - The Ultimate Edition doesn't add much to the relationship between both characters, if anything, it accentuated having Batman as the Punisher and Superman as a Batman like vigilante. I know Snyder didn't want to do VS movie at the start, but he ended doing a very weak one anyways.

[@jamessoto7652]

@@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley fucket I try so hard not to be an angry DC fanboy(spiderman/x-men fanboy)I guess I should say nothing at all

[@crunchtherest4931]

R.I.P Wolfgang Peterson

[@ashleytuchin7693]

Now I really want to see 'Batman v. Superman' v. 'Superman', where it's just a bunch of WB executives going nuts in a board room.

[@randomdj9165]

Hey, you should one day talk about Tim Burton’s Batman Continues. It’s really interesting, especially with the fact that Burton never wanted Two-Face or Riddler, and he instead wanted the villains to be Scarecrow and Catwoman

[@vanguardian2864]

I wish the DC Animated movies would do renditions of these abandoned projects

[@marcodabatman]

one of the things that irked me in the leaked script was how Superman was just straight up disappointed in humanity and thinks everyone are bad people just because Batman was about to kill Joker. Other than that Bruce and Clark's relationship felt natural and the contrast between the two of them was very evident

[@oliverglenday7382]

Colin Farrell went from playing batman to playing the Penguin that's pretty cool 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@TheVampirePredator]

Unfortunately, the closest we came to this movie was the billboard in "I Am Legend".

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Here's how I think WB could've started a DC cinematic universe. 1 Superman movie, 1 Batman movie, 2nd Superman movie, 2nd Batman movie. Then a World's finest movie.

[@au6769]

Not even hating on Snyder, but this sounds like a better film than the Batman vs Superman we got, plot and script wise . The character motivations of everyone are more clear and direct at-least and it didn't sound like it was trying to cram in too many ideas.

[@au6769]

@Brandon Brooks Exactly! But weird Snyder Cultists online will tell you you're an idiot for wanting a more streamlined plot and movie and that Snyder is a genius for including 1000 things and slapping Jesus references on top of it lol

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@au6769 agreed

[@lerigan]

I wish I never watched this video because HOLY HELL I WANT TO WATCH THIS MOVIE NOW. By the way, it’s very impressive how you managed to string together footage from different media in a way that perfectly matched the narration. That’s some masterfully meticulous editing.

[@johncreed9433]

Why does Ave Maria fit so well in this video?

[@Orlandomallguide]

You are killing it with these features. Love your stuff - thank you!

[@justinwhite5810]

How hard is it to follow a script based on a comic series..... it's already written. And good. But no.... WB fucks everything up everytime.

[@anthonylynch423]

This series is my favorite thing on the internet! I’ve been looking up nothing but what if movies since seeing your videos

[@pauljones9921]

Agree with the masses here. Loving this series you’re creating. How about Justice League: Mortal next?

[@profxssnappedneck2822]

The garden of flesh scene only makes me want to read Walker's draft even more

[@LORDUnLuCkY13]

Decisions about these films made by a team of execs sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare

[@isral8765]

That Batman and Scarecrow jigsaw murders aspect in the first script would be amazing to see. Damn, we might of been robbed just for that?

[@terstapes]

Just want to say, I love the way you edit these videos. Adding some visual cuts to your narration of the plot makes it easier to follow! Thanks

[@atompunk5575]

Why don't you have a million subs yet!? This is high grade quality content you make man!

[@edwardiii8409]

Damn impressive channel mate. Greetings from Tucson, AZ.

[@happyhouston11]

If it involves spiders then you know Jon Peters is sniffing around lol

[@anthonyhenderson4322]

Imagine a Batman vs Superman movie written by Wolfgang Peterson and Andrew Kevin walker

[@jirensentry7609]

You know what, this trope about Superman being hard to write or and isn't cool is a very big lie. Batman is easier to write because the boundaries are pushed back so far that it is right at the line of becoming the villain and madness. That truth about Batman allows so much story telling because he can cross lines and be forced to deal with the consequences. However, he can't cross lines well defined because the other lines are simply vines a part of the larger vine and they aren't gray areas. Having Superman being a person so straight white and very sure of what is good and what is the right thing to do - there is no concepts and stories in that? You're telling me that you couldn't clearly understand that Batman is in the deep crests of darkness - he is a man in darkness - pain, loss, sacrifice, regret an more. Superman is a type of imperfect god living among near demon like beings. Humans who fight so hard against the dark. And they do so with so much imperfection. But Superman sees that women and children are humanity's strongest bet and view of humanity's light in them. And Superman knows that men like Commissioner Gordan and his wife are fighting hard to tell truth and stop evil. Any hardships Batman face, Superman faces even more. Consequently, they had the first opportunity to try to get Superman through his view of light verses darkness: can Superman be touched by evil and resist it? Can he suffer such an development of being enveloped by the evil of say- the Joker to do something so twisted that most men would mentally, emotionally crumble after realizing what they mistakenly done? Injustice had the perfect opportunity to both present that and act on seeing Superman work through such grief and pain and loss. But one thing is different than the other. What would Batman had done? What would have happened if Batman had been given a toxin to make him think Selina or better yet Dick or even Barbara or his own son Damien was Joker or Raj'al Ghul or someone who Batman wanted dead immediately? And to make sure he would react in that way, things were set up long ago to get him there - a woman he finally found love and a willingness in himself to give it all up for her. Or give Batman Superman's powers and do that! My point is I'm tired of this idea that you can't write for Superman without being just showcasing his powers. There are over 150 stories as good and as defining as Batman. All you have to do is read between the lines and you can tell the same story for Superman that you told for Batman and give even more to do it.

[@paulheap1982]

Its just a writers excuse for being not good enough or too lazy.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

I know right like Superman isn't as clear-cut as people think he is he has internal conflict of living up to people's expectations of being the man of tomorrow and the Beacon of Hope he actually can be disillusioned be tempted to do bad things and can be angered but when is Clark Kent he has some Spider-Man like relatability to him.

[@marcosaraujo3752]

Damn, I cannot believe this trilogy of videos has ended. Too much work and hours to make it, I hope we don´t have to wait so long to watch another one.

[@markmagician2471]

I think this would've been a better movie than what we got

[@brunfranc]

Woah, they're coming out so fast! Great job!

[@Kal_g]

Man, this video is great! I actually came across this channel just last week, and started binging the playlist like crazy! You have a new subscriber, keep on grinding, keep up the great work, and Godspeed!

[@johnnykilroy1966]

I thought the Batman VS Superman storyline/script to Wolfgang Peterson's failed project was even better than what we eventually got with Dawn of Justice. I don't like the potential casting of Jude Law as the Man of Steel but can definitely see Colin Farrell playing the caped crusader Another brilliantly crafted video that was well researched & edited. Also the narration was great. This was the nail in the coffin for me finally subscribing to your channel

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

It is... astounding how all of these good to great versions of this story were on the table and we got stuck with the one we got. The cream of the crop really doesn’t rise to the top.

[@danielwarner3675]

mcg and ratner... what were they thinking...

[@austinwoods466]

Great editing! You really brought the script to life.

[@timecage]

Fantastic work as usual. Your videos deserve much more recognition.

[@thewhitewolf7886]

Is this the same narrator as the review spot videos? I adore this channel!

[@rronn4ever]

Man I cannot wait to see what you do next, hopefully sooner than later.

[@justjen139]

Great videos! Thank you so much for this.

[@Hellseventeen]

I love the canceled movie ideas , you should do more of a variety of canceled movies

[@Amigation-if9ds]

9:35 you can put the scene of Batman & Robin when Alfred is practically an AI in the Batcave. The fight between Superman and Batman can be raise when Bruce can find solace with Lois Lane and starting gradually a romantic relationship.

[@TheSalaczar]

Incredible quality content! Thank you!

[@danielhamilton1130]

At least they had the right title for the first batman and superman movie.....

[@katmore9]

Great documentary (as always). I love the amount of work - in terms of images & research - you put into these videos. Looking forward to the next one. Keep up the stellar work.

[@SupervoidCinema]

Many thanks!

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

@@SupervoidCinema hey supervoid cinemea I got a suggestion for a fture vid the cancelled mummy 4 that would of started Antonio banderas as the main villain and would of been a follow up the ti mummy tomb of the dragon emperor

[@BrettJamesBishop]

I LOVE your videos!!!! This might be the best yet!

[@SupervoidCinema]

Cheers, and thanks for checking them out.

[@BrettJamesBishop]

@@SupervoidCinema Keep them coming if you have more to tell!

[@SSmith-yh5nz]

Amazing work! Keep it coming! Subbed and notified

[@khif13]

Kind of wish we got this version instead of the one we got in 2016... I'm a huge fan of Colin Farrell and Jude Law so would have been interesting to see them in those roles. Especially Jude as Superman which is pretty left of centre pick.

[@srstriker6420]

And I heard that Jude Law was offered to play General Zod in Superman Returns or its cancelled sequel

[@loanaoftheshellpeople5627]

Can you imagine if Christian Bale and Brandon Routh had starred together in a Batman/Superman film? That would've been Amazing.

[@KilamajaroKen]

The use of "Runaround Sue" was perfect.

[@Whxterose8060]

WOW WOW WOW these cancel movies been talk about before but your take and edit is on another level

[@joeschmidt6597]

It’s in DC Films and WB best interest to unapologetically embrace making their live action films in that “dark” tone that’s missing from Marvel’s live They’ve completely ruined the DCEU thinking they need to replicate Marvel’s family light hearted comedy success to compete with them. Look how that’s turned out so far ...

[@daviddeltoro1808]

Awesome, cannot wait to see what you do next

[@redranger241]

I was wondering, would you consider doing an episode on the Jan de Bont version of Godzilla before Roland Emmerich did his version?

[@SupervoidCinema]

It's a great story but the article Sci-fi Japan did on it was so well done and comprehensive that I think that's the final word on the subject. It's a rich topic though.

[@BradAaronTaylor]

Supervoid Cinema - World's Finest KZbin Channel

[@robertgonzales8541]

This make so much sense to why there is a Batman V Superman billboard in the I am Legend movie that came out in 2007

[@LORDUnLuCkY13]

And now Colin Farrel will be playing the Penguin. Crazy.

[@Thespeedrap]

At least he's not Batman or Joker.

[@chumpyman]

How on earth can you do these videos so fast? Keep up the great work.

[@CptCrash21]

Just wanna appreciate the use of a piano rendition of "Runaround Sue" around the 32-34 minute mark. (....begins 2 hour spiral into Dion and the Belmonts videos)

[@ManWhorse]

Also, how did Superman get the arrow out?

[@joshuahewlett4340]

It's kind of funny hearing these movies that were almost made and what we eventually did get. Abrams wrote about civil war on Krypton, which is actually what we ended up seeing in Man of Steel (except in that case Krypton still explodes). They tried to get Batman vs Superman off the ground as well as various takes on the Death of Superman...and we ended up getting those in the same film!

[@marcjoseph1577]

Is it just me or do the 'hired wife who never loved the retired hero, that's killed (or pretends to be killed) to reignite the hero's fury all for a final showdown', seem like the exact same plotline in X-men Origins Wolverine and no good story should be similar to X-men Origins Wolverine.

[@marcjoseph1577]

Thank you Supervoid Cinema

[@brandonhall4547]

Bro come to my house and tell me DC bedtime stories. This is amazing

[@Hardbody217]

Playing "What could have been..." I've always wondered what Steve Reeves or John Gavin would have done with the Superman role during their respective hey-days. Another great behind the scenes look. This Superman fan appreciates it.

[@timothyserabian5103]

Upon reflection of what we eventually got, I would’ve loved to have had THIS version of Batman vs. Superman. This EASILY would’ve given more respect to both characters than the Snyder garbage.

[@michaelmadden6712]

this is a really great channel, thanks for the interesting videos

[@SupervoidCinema]

I appreciate you watching!

[@BuckarooBanzai84]

I still think it should've been a team-up instead. It makes much more sense for Superman & Batman to join forces against an overwhelming threat than for them to fight the first time they meet. Look at the comics; yes, they're total opposites, but they a deep & profound respect for one another. Let's explore where that came from! =)

[@jadeskywalker06]

I dont see anyone talking about how good of a Batman voice this guy does.

[@elijahgonzalez6954]

31:55 What's The Music From?

[@SupervoidCinema]

'Runaround Sue' by Dion DiMucci

[@DalekOfChaos666]

ANy chance you'll do a video on Batman Triumphant?

[@AFchris77]

"Unpublished Silver Surfer script" just made me ache for more of your videos, haha. I hope Marvel redeems him.

[@HeroicRecaps]

Hi Freeze - Im Vengeance.

[@utsmoi]

This was awesome!!

[@ezrael]

Boom. FIRST. Keep up the good work, sir.

[@miguelbrymn3426]

This is the Batman vs Superman movie that was advertised in I Am Legend.

[@DGenerationMC]

It amazes me at the choices lined up for Batman and Superman because most of them seemed like they would've been too young for the film's story. Farrell, Jude Law and Paul Walker make sense for a Year One scenario, not as a Batman coming out of a five year retirement. So, oddly enough, Depp sounds like the best fit out of the names publicly considered. Then when it comes to Superman, Hartnett seemed fine for a Superman origin story à la Flyby. I think Christian Bale fits better than those other names from an acting standpoint. Depp's Batman vs. Bale's Superman with Wolfgang Petersen directing? Sounds like some high class comic book cinema.

[@louisduarte8763]

Looking back in these other movies that almost happened, makes me think Zack Snyder had to dance to WB's tune to include fighting Batman and Doomsday killing Superman.

[@DarksaberForce]

He originally was supposed to do Man of Steel 2 with Brainiac but WB sped up the Justice League idea.

[@BlackArroToons]

That was a very morbid, tragedy-like screenplay they had there for Batman vs Superman back then before it was left aside.

[@briandjstormfeole416]

This needs to be made in a full animated movie!

[@RoyLake]

Really enjoying this series - Keep it up!

[@futuramayeah]

the dc live action films seem to always be copying the animated stuff, there was a Batman Superman animated movie

[@loanaoftheshellpeople5627]

Are you talking about the one where Luthor teamed up with the Joker? That was Awesome, I love that movie.

[@the-boring-car-guy]

I love the Nolan trilogy but this is great!

[@ManWhorse]

Oh! Could you look into doing a video on Ridley Scott’s I Am Legend? I’d also love to see Fincher’s 20000 Leagues Under the Sea or World War Z 2?

[@SupervoidCinema]

I have an unrecorded one for Legend I'll probably finish soon.

[@thebobbrom7176]

Jesus whoever came up with that Garden of Flesh idea needs to see kind of mental health specialist.

[@kikbums807]

Every other filmmaker at wb is an edge lord. Doesn't surprise me why everyone at wb is obsessed at deconstructing dc heroes from their qualities

[@Facade953]

My thoughts exactly. Dr. Johnathan Crane would have been a good pick...if it wasn't for the butchering of his character in the draft.😅

[@supersaiyanindian]

Great video as always Supervoid Cinema! I know you must have your hands full with all the choices you have for your videos, but if you ever get the chance would mind considering doing a video on Darren Aronofsky's Wolverine movie? 0_0

[@MrJ1Horrordirector]

the idea sounds super great but our 2004 minds were not ready and superhero films were still trying to figure out themselves.

[@danieldelanoche2015]

I did not expect the hear Ave Maria in the background lol

[@NicholasWingoldenkiwi2095]

a Batman Superman world's finest live action movie? if I were to direct that film it would be something that could've been done for the DCEU

[@Jones183]

I kinda like this BVS idea more then the one that we actually got, some of the stuff was silly but hey it's a comic book movie

[@cybergothika6906]

To make a convincing proper BvS they would have to build-up the characters first with multiple movies before that. The ones used by Frank Miller and DC comics in general were perfect, hence why it is a classic. BvS that we got was too close and only related to Man of Steel. The current The Batman for example is enough dark, to lead to a paranoid senior Bruce Wayne. We start the versus there.