Bats Go Lecture - Top Things Kyus Should Stop Doing - pt. 2!

[@nick2718281828]

1:00 - If you play a corner approach across from your wall, be prepared to be pincered. 3:20 - When your opponent invades your third-line three-space extension, don't meekly connect underneath when it gives your opponent huge influence. 9:30 - Learn more than one joseki, so you can have an option for different situations: what joseki can I play here to gain influence? To get territory? To be able to play away? (Addendum: don't always play the same fuseki, and don't feel pressured to play a named fuseki every game!) 15:00 - Don't just try to attack everything without actually gaining anything. Don't just defend everything and take big points without ever attacking. There needs to be a balance between getting stuff for yourself and preventing your opponent from getting what she wants. 24:40 - The rest of the lecture is commentary on live Dwyrin vs. kyu play. 29:20 - [Live game] Black goes fishing while his house is on fire (move is F5). Inconsistent with F15's strategy. 33:45 - [Live game] Dwyrin points out a bigger move than F5. 35:10 - [Live game] Dwyrin explains D12 pincer and upper-left joseki selection. Thank you for the videos, Dwyrin!

[@dwyrin]

+nick2718281828 thanks for the table of contents, i added it to the description as well!

[@nick2718281828]

+dwyrin You're welcome, thank you for all the wonderful lessons!

[@mr.hubris961]

Really enjoyed this video. You always offer a lot of content and value 😊.

[@brianwilmoth9441]

nice. learned a lot

[@JamesLudlow]

I shouldn't have fallen behind on your lectures. I screwed up the pattern at 27:30 in a league match. E17 and B18 both looked like they should work, and then I decided to just jump out. My group ended up quite unhappy and quite dead later in the game.

[@Martin_Gregory]

I wish you had talked more about why the first one is "wrong", and what should be done instead ...

[@yagzyalcntas553]

yeah that such a huge question mark for me.. like the thing he said "wrong" actually gets some points if we go to corner and after we live he extends to our wall our wall has no base no potential no pressure to anything, nothing...

[@omniunown]

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only Go game creeper ^^

[@yagzyalcntas553]

hi dwyrin i realised you are saying dont do this and explain that but doesnt explain what we SHOULD instead. sometime you show the first move only, sometimes not even that.. so like without learning the corect way of doing it we still have nothing but what we knew before.. which is the wrong option. the first one especially i still have no freaking idea how to use that wall when i got pincered and my opponent has a solid base next to my wall. you said you could avoid pincer but what if we approach nex to enemy corner and pincered, what then? we just resign?

[@seventus]

I know it's a bit besides the point, but In the game around 23:00 you kick at R10 but that seems a bit bad to me. if you just S10 or maybe R10 then later you've got a better chance to invade. Black getting Q11 for free seems like a nice result for him, esp since u give up sente to protect ur shape again so he can extend from the Q11 influence o.o Was that your mistake or am I wrong?

[@dwyrin]

+SeV That might be better yeah. Truthfully I think i should have not defended the 3 stones and extended, maybe even playing the attachment at r15 since him killing the 2 stones is gote

[@seventus]

+dwyrin Yeah killing the two stones seems kinda small cause there are still some big points on the board. I'm not even sure you need to do r15. You could just R17 to see if u can get living aji for later or attack the outside. Blacks position at the bottom seems overconcentrated and if white nullifies the influence black will have a hard time making enough pts I think. esp with white having komi.

[@ChikoWhat]

Is playing orthodox meaning you'll just play the same cookie cutter moves all the time? I remember when I played trading card games where there was a 'meta' and there were players who specifically built to counter 'top 10 most common set-ups'. Comparing to that, it feels you'd be predicted and played around.

[@dwyrin]

+ChikoWhat It means you're going to enclose however your responses to your opponent approaching can change and make for very different games.

[@ANSIcode]

This is a great video, however I wonder why, given how much time it must take to stalk people on KGS, you don't plan what examples you want to use before making the video. Also I didn't quite understand the first example. I get the impression everyone watching this video already should already know what you're saying to be able to understand it. I do know for example, not from this video, that the counterpincer is wrong because it makes a small extension from a wall and therefore is inefficient, trying to make only a few points with the wall that had a great cost in terms of territory the opponent made in the corner. However my questions are: Is the approach good? Is the pincer good? What are the detailed ideas of those moves? Should one take the corner or jump up? Or double approach even? How does one use the wall after this? Those are not answered. Second example: I assume some people play that way, because they're affraid of being cut in the attach-underneath line. One would need to show the way to deal with that.