Battle of Peleliu 1944 / Part 4 - Bloody Nose Ridge

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From the Battlefields

From the Battlefields

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The final chapter of the Battle of Peleliu series; covers the desperate struggle of American troops in fighting for the Japanese last stand, the formidable line of fortifications they had been preparing for months set on Umurbrogol Mountain, nicknamed by the Marines - Bloody Nose Ridge.
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@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
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@blank557
@blank557 Жыл бұрын
My Father was a BAR assistant in the First Marines. He had served at Pelelieu, and then at Okinawa. One time, while working on a shore party, he witnessed the massive Kamikaze attacks on the US fleet offshore. He was told to stop watching and get back to work. He had just turned 19. I cannot comprehend being that young, and going through that hell. Later, in 1950, he was recalled to serve again with the 1st in Korea, at Inchon and later at the Chosin Reservoir .
@anibalcesarnishizk2205
@anibalcesarnishizk2205 Жыл бұрын
I think those people for each day they spent fighting in the front should be given three months of life so they can enjoy a longer life.
@anibalcesarnishizk2205
@anibalcesarnishizk2205 Жыл бұрын
21:04, he gives the finger.
@robertsansone1680
@robertsansone1680 Жыл бұрын
I knew a guy who was there. He said it was worse than Guadalcanal. Thank You for an excellent documentary.
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@robertsansone1680
@robertsansone1680 Жыл бұрын
@@FromtheBattlefields You're more than welcome. Thanks again
@wes326
@wes326 Жыл бұрын
My Father-in-Law was an infantry officer in the 81st Infantry Division and fought at Peleliu. Thanks for sharing.
@db321g
@db321g Жыл бұрын
My grandpa - in law was in the 81st Infantry 321st Division. A mortar landed between him and 5 other soldiers. He survived and the others didn't. I learned this from his wife long after he died.
@debrathomas1904
@debrathomas1904 Жыл бұрын
This battle is very well documented in a book titled "The Old Breed" by Eugene Sledge ( Sledgehammer. He was a young Marine who fought there on Peleliu. This book is actually on the USMC Commandant's recommended reading list for professional development. Still debated today by military historians if this battle should have been fought. Unbelievable hard fought battle.
@herzeliedstein573
@herzeliedstein573 Жыл бұрын
Sledge who fought on Guadalcanal?
@madprofessor5966
@madprofessor5966 10 ай бұрын
"The Old Breed" is about the best WWII book that I have ever read. I highly recommend it to all.
@markstergios9851
@markstergios9851 Жыл бұрын
There's a legend circulating amoung the Marine snuffies that involve a grizzled gunny being interviewed by a young correspondant. The battle was finaly over and the Marines were being withdrawn. The coorespondant asked the Gunny for his thoughts about the campaign. The Gunny responded " Sonny, we've won em before and we'll win 'em again.... but on this one we got our ass kicked"
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
While I was making this video, I came across information that the 1st Battalion, 1st Marines had left the island with only 47 uninjured men. I didn't include that in the video, as I couldn't confirm that information in any other source. If that is true, then Gunny was right.
@OLDMANWAFFLES
@OLDMANWAFFLES Жыл бұрын
This is slowly becoming one of my favorite world war 2 history channels, just due to the in depth narration, pictures, diagrams, etc. it helps me to understand what my grandfather and great uncle went through in their part of the island hopping campaign. Thank you so much I hope your channel blows up. Edit: Also, it’s history (as painful as it is to hear) we MUST remember it.
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@psychosneighbor1509
@psychosneighbor1509 Жыл бұрын
I normally click away when robovoice kicks in but it worked well here. This was a great series. Thanks.
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!
@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists
@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your comprehensive detail. Dad was an Artilleryman in the 1st Marines on Peleliu. He prononced the island PEL-leh-loo.
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@douglasrice7524
@douglasrice7524 Жыл бұрын
Yes, the UK production series has an unfortunate habit of ignoring conventional pronuciations from documentaries made decades earlier in favor of using ridiculously awkward 'sounding outs' of names of both islands and personnel that make me grind my teeth with irritation...or as they might say, "eyerightation."
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
UK production. Thanks! BTW, I'm from Croatia and the narrator is a robot 😀👾
@honeyvanz1931
@honeyvanz1931 3 ай бұрын
So was my dad!
@tomdonahue8110
@tomdonahue8110 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding job with this video series. Your thorough research and description and narration of the battles had my blood boiling at times. Other time had my eyes watering. What our young men went through is heart wrenching. How so many were able to live productive lives after that...amazing. Definitely a different breed of men back then.
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I completely agree with you; a different breed of men back then.
@herzeliedstein573
@herzeliedstein573 Жыл бұрын
Don't let your blood boil too hard...hindsight and all that. Imagine 1940's intel. Although, it does seem that there was some ego involved not letting the Army take over earlier (coming from a Marine/Army Reservist)
@tomcrouchman
@tomcrouchman Жыл бұрын
Another great series created by "From the Battlefields". Thx for the hard work!
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!!!
@willikusche3587
@willikusche3587 Жыл бұрын
Finally, a commander that used up ordnance not personnel...
@jamespeck2852
@jamespeck2852 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately … it didn’t help my fathers brother out. He was KIA on the first day… RIP
@AlanMydland-fq2vs
@AlanMydland-fq2vs Жыл бұрын
and thats a fact use it up!!!
@marinecwby01
@marinecwby01 Жыл бұрын
If Geiger hadnt over ruled Rupertus on relieving the Marines, the 1st Mar Div would have been totally ground down to a nub. Senseless pride and glory seeking.
@debrathomas1904
@debrathomas1904 Жыл бұрын
General Geiger was a Man's man in every sense of the word. He had big balls & lead from the front. We need more generals like General Geiger today. I'd follow him to hell & back and kick ass all the way.
@RivetGardener
@RivetGardener Жыл бұрын
These Marines were incredible. What a country we have to produce men like this. I served with such in 2 wars 1989 and 1992, and was part of that Airborne Army. Let's pray for a continued America that does so much good for the world. And for you all that disbelieve that and hate our country: STUFF IT. None of you served or are willing to do so.
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Жыл бұрын
Rupertus had to have been the worst Marine General in the war. The 1st Marines were being annihilated and he was more worried about not sharing credit with the Army. He should have been formally relieved, but was instead quietly transferred to a stateside post.
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Жыл бұрын
24:31 Also, that's not true actually. The first battle where Japanese attrition tactics were encountered was during the invasion of Biak four months prior to Peleliu. Granted the fatality rate wasn't as bad as it was on Peleliu, but the defenses were just as sophisticated and the terrain just as nightmarish for the attackers.
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info.
@RivetGardener
@RivetGardener Жыл бұрын
Rupertus was an ass for not taking his fellow General's request.
@Chucky925
@Chucky925 Жыл бұрын
I think it was two things, first Marines don't like working with the army they feel they're the best and didn't need the army bailing them out. And the second thing, Rupertus hated that Geiger passed over him and became the Corp Commander.....
@Robert-py4ce
@Robert-py4ce Жыл бұрын
I got that same impression, when other officers came to help him and they had success with using siege tactics. He was still trying to send our guys on assaults right into the teeth of the Japanese defenses.
@diegocobosanchez4373
@diegocobosanchez4373 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this exhaustive documentary on the battle of Peleliu, From the Battlefields!!! Very much obliged indeed, I LOVE the story of the tough, long fight for this tiny island!! The detailed moving units on the maps are probably the greatest testament to your hard work! PS: In spite of their horrifying and damnable war crimes throughout WW2, I gotta Admire the Japanese soldiers' tenacity to the death on Peleliu! Holding out for 73 days when it was thought it would take 3-4 to take the little island!! And that group of 30+ which surrendered in April 1947, now that is COMMITMENT!!! I respect your bravery, defenders of Peleliu!!!! (Note: no disrespect to any nationality victim of Japan in this war was meant by my comment).
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields 10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@diegocobosanchez4373
@diegocobosanchez4373 10 ай бұрын
+@@FromtheBattlefields No, please, thank YOU!
@andresalvarez7664
@andresalvarez7664 Жыл бұрын
Excellent Video Guys!
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thanks again!
@Chucky925
@Chucky925 Жыл бұрын
That's funny because Gen Rupertus was Gen Geiger boss when they were on Guadalcanal. Gen Vandegrift was the 1st Marine division Commander, Gen Rupertus was the second in command and Gen Geiger commanded the cactus air force commander. in other words he was in charge of the division air wing. And now Gen Vandegrift moved on to become a 3 star. Gen Rupertus became the 1st Marine division Commander and Gen Geiger became the Corp Commander becoming Rupertus boss....
@annehersey9895
@annehersey9895 Жыл бұрын
The problem with the military planners for the Island hopping campaign was that it seemed all they did was look and see how small these islands were and assumed=always wrongly-that the entire Island could be taken in a matter of hours. This happened Island after Island and they never learned or even adjusted. Tarawa and this Island and Iwo Jima were the worst examples of not knowing what they were doing! Thank God for Geiger! As horrible as Flame Throwers are, we absolutely would have lost so many many more lives without them! There was no other way to approach the caves or sunken bunkers.
@OnYouGlenn
@OnYouGlenn Жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis and you are absolutely right. They underestimated the enemy/military objectives time after time, never learning a thing. Telling the Marines it would take a few days to take Peleliu couldn't have been more crazy. Battle went on for what, over 2 months?
@annehersey9895
@annehersey9895 Жыл бұрын
@@OnYouGlenn You are so right! And Guadalcanal-6 months! Crazy. They didn’t even know the climate and the navy and Marines which are the same branch were too protective-especially the Navy! ‘Uh oh, we’re getting shot at! Sorry we’re outta here!’ I could see that but they never came back with the other half of the supplies! Good thing the Japanese underestimated us too or we might still be fighting today! 😆😆😆
@oneshotme
@oneshotme Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! 😁
@oneshotme
@oneshotme Жыл бұрын
@@FromtheBattlefields You're welcome and looking forward to your next one!!!!
@christopherthrawn1333
@christopherthrawn1333 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Gentlemen. ❤
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Terry-hh3sx
@Terry-hh3sx Жыл бұрын
It never ceases to amaze me that the commanders would always take the cowards way out and commit suicide. They wouldn't join their troops and charge in a bonzie attack.
@maximilianodelrio
@maximilianodelrio Жыл бұрын
Fantastic content man
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@wilfredoUbatuba
@wilfredoUbatuba Жыл бұрын
the AI almost sounds like Dr Felton. Great docos, thanks
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@johnaugsburger6192
@johnaugsburger6192 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@finallyfriday.
@finallyfriday. Жыл бұрын
Peleliu- MacArthur's stupidity. He and Monty went thru Allied soldiers for no reason. Bypass it and cut it off.
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Жыл бұрын
Peleliu was Nimitz's baby, not MacArthur's.
@finallyfriday.
@finallyfriday. Жыл бұрын
@@redaug4212 Uh.... huh?! Mac demanded the invasion. The fact everyone else did the fighting and suffering compounds his crime. Don't pass the buck onto those who had to pull off his crazy ideas.
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Жыл бұрын
@@finallyfriday. No... Mac did not demand an invasion of Peleliu or the Palau Island group. That is a misconception. Operation Stalemate II was wholly a Navy plan and greenlit by Navy leaders. MacArthur could have cared less about a coral rock several hundred miles away from his area of operations. His only focus was putting boots on the Philippines. The fact that the invasion of Peleliu corresponded with the Navy's capture of Ulithi should give you an idea regarding the actual purpose of the operation.
@finallyfriday.
@finallyfriday. Жыл бұрын
@@redaug4212 You're the only place I ever heard that. Read from many sources that MacA wanted to "protect his flank" when invading Philippines. As if those soldiers could get over there from Peleliu.
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Жыл бұрын
@@finallyfriday. It's referenced by numerous histories that Nimitz was the one who greenlit the invasion despite suggestions from Halsey to bypass the island in favor of diverting the Marines to Leyte in support of MacArthur's invasion there. MacArthur himself had zero authority on whether or not Peleliu was invaded, and would have certainly accepted the offer to incorporate the III Amphibious Corps into his own army. The fact that you know how absurd the "protecting the flank" narrative is should tell you that there is a missing part of the story; and that missing part is Ulithi.
@jimvick8397
@jimvick8397 Жыл бұрын
21:03 charming guy...
@stanstenson8168
@stanstenson8168 Жыл бұрын
I went there with a man whose cousin was killed on radar hill. It's not as bad as the pocket, but it is still very defendable.
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
1:20 Thanks!
@stanstenson8168
@stanstenson8168 Жыл бұрын
@@FromtheBattlefields Makes me happy you used them. Is the one at the end mine also? I wish I knew you were going to include Ngesebus, I have some pictures from there also. Good job.
@kevinkimmel7685
@kevinkimmel7685 Жыл бұрын
How could anyone believe that an island could be taken in 5 days. The ferocity that japanese combatants were noted for, no american soldier could have believed those at the top. There's nothing more demoralizing then men who are about to die are misled or not given the facts. My heart goes out to the fighting these brave men had to endure.
@scarletcrusade77
@scarletcrusade77 Жыл бұрын
Another great conclusion video to a good battle FTB. Gotta feel sorry about the Korean Laborers how they'd get selected for such a far off conscription duty. Also excited for the next big Pacific campaign battle you'll cover :)
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Khan-1738
@Khan-1738 Жыл бұрын
I was hesitant about the AI voice, but because the script is tight, the information is good, and the footage and photos are relevant, I actually don’t mind the voice as much
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@rikijett310
@rikijett310 Жыл бұрын
I agree with the situation where cops decide that one person is guilty and they won't do any further investigating.
@martinjeffery3590
@martinjeffery3590 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a lot of men lost for the ego of an obviously inept commanding officer
@ricardolorrio8228
@ricardolorrio8228 Ай бұрын
@7:09 That boys and girls, is called "the 1,000 yard stare" . These men have just won a battle, but have lost their souls
@Vito_Tuxedo
@Vito_Tuxedo Ай бұрын
MacArthur eventually backed off from his original boneheaded notion that invading Peleliu was needed to protect his "right flank". Palau is *800 miles* east of Leyte. Halsey was against it too; too much cost for too little gain. OTOH, invading Iwo Jima in Sept. '44, 6 months before Kurabayashi completed his fortifications, would have provided huge strategic gains at much lower cost. But Nimitz insisted on Peleliu. He was mostly a genius for most of the war, but Peleliu was one of his blunders.
@randywise5241
@randywise5241 Жыл бұрын
The place where the million mile stare came from.
@coloradomountainman8659
@coloradomountainman8659 Жыл бұрын
Ah no. That was actually WW1.
@randywise5241
@randywise5241 Жыл бұрын
@@coloradomountainman8659 Both are correct. There is a painting with that name of a soldier from the Peleliu battle.
@coloradomountainman8659
@coloradomountainman8659 Жыл бұрын
Would have been nice if they could have razed the hills with 16" shells from the Missouri and other battle ships.
@Firedog-ny3cq
@Firedog-ny3cq Жыл бұрын
5 battlewagons, 4 heavy cruisers, 4 light cruisers, and planes from multiple aircraft carriers bombed and shelled the Bejezuz out of the island for three days before the landings with almost no effect on Japanese fortifications. The exact same result occurred prior to the landings on Iwo Jima. If the enemy is underground, you can turn everything above ground to smoldering slag, leaving him unscathed and ready to fight you when you come ashore.
@Compulsive_LARPer
@Compulsive_LARPer Жыл бұрын
"American forces failed to anticipate that the Japanese would prepare a complex and deep defense, much like on Peleliu in the fall of 1944 (...)" "(...)Maj. Gen. Harry Schmidt, commander of the Marine landing force, requested a 10-day heavy shelling of the island immediately preceding the mid-February amphibious assault. However, Rear Adm. William H. P. Blandy, commander of the Amphibious Support Force (Task Force 52), did not believe such a bombardment would allow him time to replenish his ships' ammunition before the landings; he thus refused Schmidt's request. Schmidt then asked for nine days of shelling; Blandy again refused and agreed to a three-day bombardment. This decision left much hard feeling among the Marines. After the war, Lieut. Gen. Holland M. "Howlin' Mad" Smith, commander Expeditionary Troops (Task Force 56, which consisted of Schmidt's Fifth Amphibious Corps), bitterly complained that the lack of naval gunfire had cost Marine lives during the entire Allied island campaign.(...)" - Wright, Derrick (2004) [2001]. Iwo Jima 1945: The Marines Raise the Flag On Mount Suribachi. Oxford: Osprey Publishing
@kennethcaine3402
@kennethcaine3402 Жыл бұрын
They did use battleships Heavy Crusiers and bombers, about all they killed was vegetation.
@adameckard4591
@adameckard4591 Жыл бұрын
Rupertus was a butcher, the real hero was BG Oliver Smith. A great general if there ever was one.
@astrogems
@astrogems Жыл бұрын
There was no need to continue without a siege to starve them out. One should never waste Marine lives.
@alanmoran-tp5fe
@alanmoran-tp5fe Жыл бұрын
My friend Doug Cole was there he is from Onaway Michigan and he's gone now
@steveclapper5424
@steveclapper5424 Жыл бұрын
Once it became obvious that this operation wasn't strategically of any use , it became murder.
@barryrammer7906
@barryrammer7906 Жыл бұрын
Those engineers are US Navy SEABEE's. Lets give them some shine.
@georgedoolittle9015
@georgedoolittle9015 11 ай бұрын
Not really sure why Marines wound up fighting for every inch of everything as they did but "by the book" anyways this is exactly what Japan wanted and Japan still failed. Every bullet bean and sparkplug counted by this point! One item absolutely clear is that the now massive US Marine Aviation still had not been able to ve put into effect for intended purpose of supporting Marines as was clearly necessary and should have been known as critical by the US Navy at this stage in World War 2. By way of specific example in Europe noted by German Field Marshall Rommel the US Army employed spotter aircraft to direct artillery fire to devastating effect as he had tried to do for German forces fight upon all their Campaigns. Today we would call this "drone warfare" and simply put the US Navy had no excuse not knowing about this by this late date in WW2. As the Battle of the Phillipines was now well underway starting at Leyte there was amazingly no crisis in supply but certainly a crisis in manpower could see as be created by this here. In the Philippines the US Military employed quite liberally napalm strikes, skip bombing into tunnels and well directed artillery combined with using local Filipino Scouts and "liberation forces" to absolutely annihilate Japanese Forces from a distance instead of this crazy intense approach employed to terrifying Victory here. "You go with the Corps you have not the one you wish you had" very much in display in this operation.
@katmandoism
@katmandoism Жыл бұрын
The biggest waste of American troops of the pacific war!
@finallyfriday.
@finallyfriday. Жыл бұрын
For no purpose. MacArthur said he wanted to protect his flank to the Philippines. As if the troops on Peleliu would swim hundreds of miles to attack Lyete.
@Robert-py4ce
@Robert-py4ce Жыл бұрын
Sounds like Col. Nakagawa was one hell of a leader, better than Gen. Rupertus, who just ran our guys into the ground.
@michaelfitzgerald434
@michaelfitzgerald434 Жыл бұрын
Why didn't we just bypass it?
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Жыл бұрын
The Navy considered it necessary in order to protect their new anchorage at Ulithi.
@kennethcaine3402
@kennethcaine3402 Жыл бұрын
Admiral Halsey wanted to bypass the Island but it didn't happen, Admiral Nimitz and General MacArthur and President Roosevelt decided it had to be taken before the invasions of the Philippines.
@jameskirk578
@jameskirk578 Жыл бұрын
Were the benefits of starving the Japanese out ever considered?
@kennethcaine3402
@kennethcaine3402 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that was what Admiral Halsey suggested but was rejected by Nimitz, MacArthur and President Roosevelt. So it probably wasn't considered a viable option. My Father was there with the 1st Marine Division, A battery 5th Marines 1st Marine Division Fire Direction Control Man.
@jameskirk578
@jameskirk578 Жыл бұрын
@@kennethcaine3402 Thank you Mr Caine. It hit home to me seeing the cemetary in Manila. Thousands upon thousands on neat white headstones to the fallen and one little wooden box on which to offer prayers. One felt insignificant and staggered by the huge losses. God bless our seniors.
@mgway4661
@mgway4661 Жыл бұрын
Rupertus was a bloody tyrant
@Carl-ht7cg
@Carl-ht7cg Жыл бұрын
Donate to the "Wounded Warrior Project
@brucepoole8552
@brucepoole8552 Жыл бұрын
We should have just isolated parts of this isl Starved the japanese out too many of our boys lost their lives in this shiatsu
@bobkohl6779
@bobkohl6779 Жыл бұрын
Be nice if you weren't slaughtering names
@denniscasey4967
@denniscasey4967 Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤. REMEMBER KEEP IT ⁉️💋 BLOCK THIS ONE ( APPLE PIE ) .👺🥀🚫🤡
@thomaswayneward
@thomaswayneward Жыл бұрын
Idiocy, wasting mens lives without a second thought.
@oldguy8177able
@oldguy8177able Жыл бұрын
i've often thought why did they even invade peleliu ,why not bypass it,and spare all those mens lives.
@David-wk6md
@David-wk6md Жыл бұрын
PAL LAY LU
@tankgirl2074
@tankgirl2074 Жыл бұрын
this is painful to watch and listen to. Computer narrator; massively repeated video footage from anywhere in the Pacific war (seen in almost each battle episode) so you never know what is actual battle location or not; minimal information; extremely repetitive script. You can do much better. Please!!!
@jpmtlhead39
@jpmtlhead39 Жыл бұрын
The common knowledge its that the Us Marines are superior soldiers to any other Units of the US Army. And that is a very wrong assumption. There where any marines on the biggest battle fight by US forces in WW2..??!!! No. Normandy and the Bulge. The Army and the Airborne prove to be an Formidable fighting force and against the Best Armed forces of WW2. The German Army. The Marines are super overrated. Just look at iwo jima,70.000 Marines ( with Relentless air Power, navy Big Guns,endless supplies of man,medicine,food,etc),and took 36 long days to eliminate the 19.000 poorly feed,without medicine,water,communications,but with an outstanding training,fighting spirit,sheer Courage and an determined mindset ,were able against all Human and Mathematic odds hold on for so long,and in the process inflict more casualties to the enemy than their own total Force on that island. They all died ( except a few dozen), but they prove despite their lack of proper Weapons of all sort that they could face any army in the world ,by an outstanding training,Discipline an sheer will Power.. And the Marines learn that an Lost their cocky "swag" in the beaches of Tarawa,Saipan and Iwo Jima. They realize that they weren't the Best Military force in the world.
@jwaller1327
@jwaller1327 Жыл бұрын
Not really fair to compare a battle such as Iwo Jima to Normandy or the Battle of the Bulge. Having been an infantryman in both the Marines and the Army, there's not much difference in the training or capabilities of the individual fighting man or small unit besides maybe some numbers and organization. But on a large scale, they are very different, with very different jobs, as one can see by studying their actions in WWII. The Army excels at large scale maneuver warfare. The USMC isn't and never was intended for that. It's an extension of the Navy, which does the maneuvering. Once the Marines are ashore, it's hey-diddle-diddle, straight up the middle. If the island is a hard target, once it's selected for taking, that's it. No room to maneuver. The Army fought a different type of warfare in Europe and North Africa. On large islands such as New Guinea and in the Phillipines, the Army was able to maneuver around hard targets to "hit 'em where they ain't". On smaller atols and islands that the Army fought on, their results were pretty much on par with what was experienced by the USMC. The only notable exception would be the Gilbert Islands. At the same time the 2d Marine Div. hit Tarawa, the 27th Infantry Div. hit Makin. Tarawa was far more heavily defended than Makin. Tarawa was taken in 76 hours. The 27th Infantry tried to use tactics more typical of Army fighting against 400 Japanese defenders, and finally took the island in four days, killing just about all the Japanese defenders at a cost of 66 Army soldiers. But on the last day of battle, the Navy, tied down supporting the invasion of Makin and unable to maneuver, lost an aircraft carrier, making the battle of Makin the only battle in the offensive against Japan in which more Americans died than Japanese. On the islands where Marines and Army fought side by side (think Guam, Saipan, and Okinawa), the Army did no better or worse than the Marines. I don't think it's worth criticizing the 27th Division at Saipan; they had to take Purple Heart Ridge in the center of the island, sort of like the Bloody Nose Ridge of Peleliu, while the Marine Divisions fought close to the coasts. I don't believe three Army divisions would have had any easier time taking Iwo Jima than the three Marine divisions there had. It still would have been a slaughterhouse. I don't think they'd have done any worse either.
@jpmtlhead39
@jpmtlhead39 Жыл бұрын
@@jwaller1327 yeah,fair enough.
@theycallmehoipilloi5495
@theycallmehoipilloi5495 Жыл бұрын
@@jwaller1327 Great reply. Two different types of forces fighting two different types of wars. Of course there is the age old argument of who is better, volunteers or draftees. Just esprit de corps alone made them elite. I think it was generally recognized that the Airborne divisions, volunteers, were probably the best outfits in the U.S. Army. The Marines, for most of the war, were all volunteers. As I said above, the Pacific war was much different than the European war. The differences in environments alone were extreme. The Pacific environment was almost as vicious as the enemy. How many European theater Army troops had to battle malaria, dysentery and the general stink of unburied dead bodies going foul in hours, in 100 degree heat, like Peleliu and 100 degree humidity on some islands for example. These are a little exaggerated but not by much. Also, the enemy the Marines fought was different. The Japanese were as much a death cult as a fighting force. That was a good point about the 27th division on Saipan. What a terrible spot Gen. Holland put them in. Freaking stupid. Would the Marines have just stopped like the Army did or would they have carried on? Who knows, but if they did, they would probably have disappeared like the 1st Marine division did on Peleliu. On a personal note, being pro Marine as I am, if I was Gen. Ralph Smith of the 27th and Gen. Holland Smith had attacked me personally and called me and my men cowards and relieved me of command, by a Marine no less, I would have at least punched him out, if not pull my .45 on him. Heck, his career was shot at that point anyway.
@DaveSCameron
@DaveSCameron 6 ай бұрын
Dreadful narration…
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields 6 ай бұрын
But regardless, you watched almost all of my videos and I thank you for that.
@brucewood1827
@brucewood1827 Жыл бұрын
Wish these narrators would take the time to learn the correct pronunciations of place names, events, people, whatever. Umarbrogul is pronounced oo-mar-bro-gull.
@FromtheBattlefields
@FromtheBattlefields Жыл бұрын
The narrator is an AI-generated voice - robot. If he starts to learn, I think we're in big trouble.
@piranhaattack4836
@piranhaattack4836 Жыл бұрын
Hand to hand combat? Using rocks and bear fists? Sounds like something you see in a video game like call of duty. Extreme.
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