Battle of the Ports - Star Cruiser (スタークルーザー) Show

[@GTXDash]

Is nobody gonna mention how the x68000 version has polygons with ant-aliasing? 0_o I couldn't believe my eyes when saw that.

[@Royameadow]

Star Cruiser (I988/I989) is, to my knowledge, one of the only titles of its era to get Eight different versions of the same soundtrack (PC~8800 (YM2203 and YM2608), PC~9800 (YM2203, Alternate Score), Sharp X One (PSGAY~03 and YM2151), Sharp X68000 (YM2151, Alternate Score), Star Cruiser MD (YM2612/YM3438), and the Arranged Soundtrack CDs), making it one of the most impactful titles on the grounds of how expansive it is for remixing (though at the same time, many tracks do have some form of Tempo Inconsistency; some of the Sharp X68000 tracks that need rigorous tuning in Post~Production); Gameplay~wise, the best port out of the bunch is the Sharp X68000 version when the system is running on a Motorola 68000 or 68030 clocked at 025 Megahertz, this is the frequency that is equipped for Speedrunning and anything higher will become too fast for you to feasibly complete the game without needing TAS resources; this port also has the added benefits of refined maps, a significantly expanded Enemy Roster, the ability to purchase and sell items in Bulk (note that, akin to the original Final Fantasy and Phantasy Star, Star Cruiser's original I988 build and pre~X68000 ports forced you to do transactions One Unit of an item at a time, so Bulk Transactions truly made a difference), Ronn Moss playing the role of Brian Wright (at least we can presume he served as influence, due to his impact on The Bold and the Beautiful; Brian's redesign is a virtually perfect match to how Ronn looked in I987), and a series of unique Game Crashing glitches that have interesting workarounds that make the game an incredible Research Piece. Star Cruiser MD (I990) is a Retelling of the original I988/I989 title that was intended to attract Japan's younger demographic, Masaya's ambition was to bring Arsys Software's game to the Megadrive in hopes that those who couldn't get an NEC or Sharp computer would be happy with an Easy Type~esque version of the title and still get the most out of the plot in spite of its gameplay changes; Namcot (Namco) was given the job to localize Star Cruiser MD under the Star Quest moniker, the intended release of this for International audiences in I994 was axed when Nintendo Research and Development 04 had come out with Star Fox and it is clear that this relatively early Megadrive title saw less of a chance at defeating Star Fox in the Performance and Mindshare categories that I can understand why Namco cut its losses before Star Quest became a financial burden for the company. As it stands today, Star Cruiser (I988/I989) does not have a lot of coverage on the Online front from start to finish: Only three people have covered the game in full with commentary, those being Spolan Sergey for Russia (Sharp X68000, English Localization Prototype), Ichiro Tanaka for Japan (Original PC~8800 Build), and Roya Rockwood (me) for North America (Sharp X68000, English Localization Version 00.99 by Celcion and Nebulous Translations); it has been an incredibly combined effort to get out the game to a significantly wider audience and I appreciate that we also have folks such as Scarlet Gryphon and Justin Hill (Master Jace and MasterJaceBeats) who helped its influx in the Remix scene before the rest of us came in to boost its presence and impact, more people truly deserve to experience this masterpiece because of how it affected the development of future Open World Multigenre RPGs and thus I am happy that good folks such as yourself are ultimately aiding the cause. For anybody who might want to see Longplays and other major contributions to the original Star Cruiser over the past Nine Years and change (at the time of typing), I have provided a list below for outlets that have delivered major coverage, my own included; when combined, this is well over Seventy Hours of programming that viewers can marathon, it is incredible as to how much this game left a mark on the International audience over this past decade and wishfully this will fuel more attention to it and an eventual remake of the original trilogy soon enough. (: ~ Royameadow Commentaries: Star Cruiser (I988/I989): kzbin.info/aero/PL1Iq6pRBvcw6fIBruc4Ibomr3uAYocEYk ~ Spolan Sergey: Star Cruiser (Sharp X68000, Translation Prototype), Part 0I of 04 (All Episodes available on Twitch): www.twitch.tv/don_spo/video/305678414 ~ Ichiro Tanaka: Star Cruiser (PC~8800): kzbin.info/aero/PLYIgUu5UH9OkYuWe-DVcKppN1zumnZ_52 ~ Wanderer of Road: Star Cruiser (Sharp X One), Part 0I of 022 (No Playlist Available): kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4PWpXdng5Ksa5Y ~ Master Jace: Retrograde from the Stars: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3y7dXiqrLerodk ~ Scarlet Gryphon: Star Cruiser ~ MIDI Sound Edition: kzbin.info/aero/PLFuruGxp4rsK-lIMi-PaGbq6TxSFiEtyC ~ Roya Rockwood (featuring Cait Fairbanks and company): Star Cruiser ~ VOIDed Journey: kzbin.info/aero/PL1Iq6pRBvcw4aCLfEVYqlnFbU8aEoT5j6

[@Spark010]

That sharp x68000 version looks fantastic! ❤️

[@TheDutchGhost]

@@tolani05 That makes me sad that we never had it in the West though most us or our parents would not be able to afford it. But darn, really accurate ports of some arcade games, and games with art quality much better than the home computers or IMO the megadrive.

[@icedlain]

Totally underrated game, unfortunately not released outside Japan. A technical milestone with great music and gameplay,

[@Holothurion]

Fortunately, nowadays we have fan translations. Better late than never!

[@DonnyKirkMusic]

One of the earliest trans devs in the industry that I can think of, as well, who programmed this and Wibarm and a bunch of other extremely-unique games for their time.

[@m0rvidusm0rvidus18]

@@DonnyKirkMusicAnother lauded female programmer turns out to have a dude brain.

[@PlasmaSnake369]

I tried playing on a genesis flash cart and it immediately killed me before I could figure out what I was looking at

[@Elrinth]

Remember hearing Star Cruiser music first time on the Game Sack episode on X68K and instantly fell in love with the music. So damn good! Very nice choice of music for the ending

[@newtypepunk9967]

Never played this game but the sound track is amazing.

[@thrillington2008]

PC8801 is a technical marvel despite hardware limitations. X1 is easier on the eyes and ears. X68K is massive improvement. Genesis is breathtaking for the system, great music and streamlined controls but I really missed out due to Namco pulling the plug on the western release in 1991.

[@RetroCore]

It is a great same Namco didn't release the English version yet they released Rolling Thunder 3 in the West only. Very odd.

[@justusbowman]

Yeah, seriously, what a game for Genesis that would have been! (meaning if released in the West)

[@Midekai]

I love finding out about games I never would have heard of if I hadn't looked at this channel

[@RetroCore]

Glad you can be introduced to new games via the channel.

[@davidmuldowney]

Imported a copy of for cheap a while ago, really impressive game for the Mega Drive. Still hoping the rumoured English proto resurfaces. Glad more people get to hear about it from videos like this

[@Colin_Ames]

Thanks for another great episode. Loved the sound system check in the 68000 version!

[@Sakf504]

The X68k version looks so impressive, it even has anti-aliasing

[@sheppo]

The sharp x68000 has anti aliasing on its polygons! Wow!

[@WMARUoriginal]

Love these obscure games! Great video

[@RetroCore]

Thanks.

[@墓守-o4v]

この動画で抜けてるPC9801版 キャラクターとタイトルロゴがPC88,X1から変更。後に出た68000とも違う UIはPC88,X1と同じ MD版はMegaDriveminiに入る予定でROMも完成してたようですが 販売元のメサイヤの許可は取得出来たものの 大元の権利保有者が所在不明のため、最後の最後にリストから外された。

[@ProbableKoz]

That Sharp 68000 sound test screen is chefskiss.gif

[@johns6265]

I wasn't familiar with this one, it's interesting to see what was happening outside Europe and the UK. There were various 3D games that predate this, but none of them have this level of attention to presentation, in comparison they generally had no soundtrack or barely any sound at all. Probably due to the hardware and bedroom programming being the standard industry model for years, somebody with the skill set to handle the programming was unlikely to also have skill sets and resources allowing them to compose full soundtracks and create portraits and other pieces of art to represent characters etc. That only really came along after the transition to larger teams and spending a lot more money to hire people for specific roles which seems to have happened a lot later in Europe.

[@GamayObera]

It's funny to think about how this game and Slipheed shares the same theme aesthetics between each other. StarBlade & Shadow Squadron (Stellar Assault) also used similar approaches, but those games were made with actual 3D graphics in mind.

[@apollosungod2819]

Be careful of such comparisons...

[@SomeOrangeCat]

The first person sections remind me of the countless hours I wiled away with Domark's VR Studio(had a different title in Europe) back in the early 1990s.

[@amerigocosta7452]

3D construction kit, if i'm not mistaken. Super sluggish on a poor PAL C64, but impressive to see entirely 3d worlds. I guess other versions fared better.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

@@amerigocosta7452 MS-DOS's version ran like a dream.

[@killerb2099]

You weren't kidding when you said this was obscure. Not only is it a Genesis game I never heard of, it doesn't even have a review on Sega-16.

[@RetroCore]

Now that is odd.

[@Mamiya645]

9:00 makes me think there's staff overlap between this port and Phantasy Star 2. Good vid of a quite unknown game!

[@TheSonicbandicootX]

The Mega Drive was planed to release outside Japan, as named to Star Soldier, but was canceled.

[@jonespianist3189]

No, it was "Star *Quest*" that Namco wanted to release this as. If it was "Star *Soldier*", they'd have Hudson to deal with.

[@jonespianist3189]

@@mastersproutgamer9327 What are you talking about? Star Cruiser released _long_ before Konami absorbed Hudson.

[@WeskerSega]

I wonder why the random necessity to change the name, had that been released (apparently localization was 100% done). Star Cruiser seems perfectly fine to me as a title.

[@AvengingEnder]

I don't know if I'll ever get around to playing this one, but I applaud their ambition. However, I'm digging the soundtrack, listening to it on KZbin right now. I prefer the X68000 version.

[@RetroCore]

I'm also a fan of the soundtrack. Classic FM Synth.

[@jollyrogerxp]

This is a game that was so ahead of its time, it didn't get the success it deserved. The main developer Kotori Yoshimura (née Katsunori Yoshimura) has been one of the pioneers in the usage of 3D in games in the 1980s, and it shows in pretty much all Arsys games. The music in their games is also amazing (check for example Knight Arms). By the way, recently she has asked people on Twitter to motivate her to write a true sequel to Star Cruiser...

[@RetroCore]

Katsunori is a guys name but you wrote, "her". A typo? Personally I don't know about this person.

[@jollyrogerxp]

@@RetroCore good catch, it was not a typo, it's correctly "her" now. She was born male (Katsunori), but a few years back she changed gender and name to Kotori.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Damn, the X68k version is SEXY. The Mega Drive version is actually pretty impressive too.

[@jbmaru]

I like the music in this game.

[@angelriverasantana7755]

Yes! I love this game to bits. And the Genesis version is nothing short of an achievement, plus the fuckin' soundtrack rocks, with that high quality synth and those kickin' PCM drums. Like, anything Toshiya Yamanaka worked on was always great. One of my all-time favorite OST's was the one he made for Prince of Persia on PC-98

[@RetroCore]

Toshiya Yamanaka 👍

[@psychicengineering]

That toshiya yamanaka ost be bumpin

[@amerigocosta7452]

Great episode, Mark. I always like to know about obscure Japanese computer games.

[@DeskoDev]

Huh, this looks neat. I wonder if X/Lunar Chase was inspired by the game's ground battles; it definitely gives me those vibes, shaded polygons aside.

[@RetroCore]

Possibly. Many early polygon games king if look like this though

[@jamesburchill7522]

Great video, Mark. On my way to your timezone tonight.

[@RetroCore]

You mean your coming to Japan? They won't let you in though. The country is still kind of closed.

[@jamesburchill7522]

@@RetroCore Nah. Korea.

[@reagandow850]

Wow! What a neat game. I’d really love to play this. I had no idea it existed. Thanks for another great episode. Hope all is well?

[@RetroCore]

Try the Mega Drive version. It's the only one to have an English translation. It's also the best game too due to the arrangements. The X68000 looks and moves the best but it is based upon the original game

[@zanegandini5350]

This is one of those games I desperately want to complete, but just find way too difficult to motivate myself to actually do it. It's way too tough to tell where enemies are when flying in space, and I end up dying before I actually find them. It's a shame too, because this game is technically outstanding on the Mega Drive. Full polygons with no special cpu on the cartridge, and a decent enough framerate to be playable. Unfortunately, I haven't played the other versions, which is a shame because the X68000 version is leagues ahead of the others, which is to be expected on what was the most powerful PC of the time. I'll check and see if that one has a fan translation. If nothing else, I've listened to the Mega Drive soundtrack many times. As a matter of fact, the amazing intro theme has been my wake-up alarm for the past couple of years now, just as a testament to how good it is. The way it slowly crescendos before its main chorus is enough to get me out of bed without being overly loud or irritating.

[@CarBitGTSaxen]

OH YEAH !!!! Star Cruiser !!

[@baroncalamityplus]

Nice. Never knew about this game. Looks great. The sega port has some good music.

[@giovannibenedetto9937]

Looks a very interesting game for the time

[@RetroCore]

It was. I loved playing this is the early.

[@shotgunl]

Another great BotP. I'd say I'm 99% sure I first heard about and saw footage of (the Mega Drive version of) Star Cruiser in the first season of Retro Core. I definitely thought it looked cool for the system, though I never tried it, since there was no translation patch back then as far as I'm aware. I'll have to grab the translation patch and give this a shot sometime. I checked the old Retro Core video, and you gave it a Retro Corse score of 5/10. Do you still think that score holds, Mark, or do you like it more or less today?

[@RetroCore]

I think I'd rate it higher now that an English patch it available. While I can play games in Japanese it's much easier to do so in English.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

[I have never played star cruiser but I have always known about it ever since the 90s but at the time I didn’t know what it was I knew it was probably some sort of space shooter but all of the versions seem really good but I think I’m the most impressed by the MD version good grief the soundtrack in the MD version is amazing and has some of the nicest FM even so early in its lifespan I’ve listened to it soundtrack so many times it’s a shame that this was never released outside of Japan because even though the MD version doesn’t look as nice as some of the other ports it was impressive that they managed to make it look as good as it does and I noticed you played the fan translated version for the MD port which is a technical Marvel running on hardware that has no business rendering polygons which it was designed to do which makes the order more impressive.

[@MarvMavro]

Is it weird that I always skip to the first console so the comparison at the start doesn't spoil it for me?

[@nekononiaow]

Yes, it is weird. But it is ok to be weird. 😉

[@jonespianist3189]

Apparently, Arsys was formed by ex-Tecnosoft employees.

[@RetroCore]

Interesting. I didn't know that.

[@leonardoantonio8756]

spectacular game for the time, by the way for the pc88 the gameplay was emulation or with the actual hardware??

[@RetroCore]

It was emulated but PC88 emulation is incredibly accurate so it was represented correctly.

[@leonardoantonio8756]

@@RetroCore yess it ran and looked pretty good, that's why I tought it was actual hardware, thanks man! can't wait to retro core put its hands on a pc98 hardware!! :D

[@thefurthestmanfromhome1148]

Great choice 😊 Only really aware of this one, as it was often used by Sega fans as an example of the Mega Drive doing Polygon 3D without the need for any DSP chips (long before the Sega SVP or Nintendo FX chip) and to shutdown idiotic claims by likes of Argonaut's Jez San, that the Mega Drive could only handle 2D sprite-based titles. A few Magazines reviewed the Japanese M. D title, hammered it due to the Japanese text. An official North American. Port was announced wasn't it?

[@thefurthestmanfromhome1148]

@Diskun Falcon was converted to PC Engine. Fanboy wars were stupid even back then. I had a MD at the time, later picked up a SNES, but there were always games on PC Engine and SNES i longed to have on the MD

[@thefurthestmanfromhome1148]

@Diskun The MD fared well with it's 68000 CPU and Z80 used for 3D titles like Block Out, F-22 and LHX Chopper, but it's soundchip wasn't all that. Just ask Sensible Software who had to reduce speech in Megalomania to Atari ST levels. Or Capcom with SF2/SSF2, Speech was terrible. Fanboy bias is a terrible thing in any era, i was gutted the PC Engine never got an official UK release, if it had, i would of gotten into the MD much later. As much as i enjoyed MD Alien 3,it wasn't a patch, atmosphere wise on SNES Alien 3. Clever coding routines and palate swapping techniques helped improve the look of many MD titles, but there's only so much you could do when you only had 512 colours to choose from. People should appreciate the era for being one where often games on MD and SNES were completely different, rather than the minor differences between platforms these days on console 😭

[@RetroCore]

Yes, apparently Namco were going to bring it to the West but it was cancled for some reason.

[@ravagingwolverine]

@Diskun don't let the fanboys ruin any of the fun, even if it's just a tiny bit. Though I know the feeling, but in my case, it's the Super Nintendo fanboys that have annoyed me and that seemed to me to be most common, which makes sense considering Nintendo's long-term success. The most common things I've heard are that things that aren't even Mode 7 are claimed to be, or they compare some of the very best SNES music to the very worst Mega Drive music as proof of how "bad" the system's sound chip is. I've seen that kind of evangelism for all the major systems really. I just hate when lies or misinformation are spread. Or the double standards like you described. It's hard to defend the version of Sunset Riders on MD when it's missing so much and when the SNES version is impressively accurate(and I'm not as fond of Konami's SNES stuff as some others). On top of all that they cut from the game, I can barely see the bullets, so that basically ruins the entire MD game for me. The only way the SNES port can be considered boring due to its accuracy is in a modern context when the arcade version is now easily available, but that's a silly argument if you're comparing ports. In addition to Falcon, I believe Gunboat is also partly real-time 3D on PC Engine(in a window, which was common at the time). SNES has some games that are 3D without Super FX like Race Drivin'. There's even a Game Boy version of that.

[@solarflare9078]

​@@ravagingwolverine As a Mega Drive fan, they're beginning to piss me off too though. Especially when they consider Phantasy Star 2 one of the best RPGs ever made (even though I think it's a fucking HORRIBLE, unbearable, and nearly unplayable game) and slag off RPGs like Final Fantasy 6, Chrono Trigger, and many other great ones over PhS2 over the dumbest of reasons, like its plot for being "unique" (which isn't even good and can be described as a MD version of YIIK). @Diskun Also, if you think Sunset Riders was bad, LOOK AT THIS ^^

[@skins4thewin]

What game is that opening song from? Is that from this game? I have always loved that track!

[@RetroCore]

It's from the Mega Drive version of this game.

[@thepirategamerboy12]

I got a real copy of the Megadrive version before there even was an English translation because I loved the music in it so much. The X68k version also has an English translation. Btw, there's also a PC-98 version with a somewhat different, higher-res interface than on the PC-88, but it's otherwise similar. The PC-98 exclusive sequel, which thankfully has an English translation, is also good bad sadly imo the music doesn't compare to the original.

[@WeskerSega]

Star Cruiser II is not exclusive to the PC-98, it's also on the FM Towns.

[@thepirategamerboy12]

@@WeskerSega Well, computer-exclusive then.

[@justusbowman]

Thanks for this video. My only question left is about story - does it differ drastically in certain ports? I can, worst-case scenario, use my phone translator to play any version. For anyone interested in gaming history, the MD port has non-instanced FPS combat with strafing. 1990! Add in towns, story, different planets and even galaxies... This is an incredible game in FPS history that far too few people know. Great music as well. Blew me away in 2020. Thanks, translators!

[@RetroCore]

The story between the versions is pretty much the same. I can't really speak for the English translation of the Mega Drive version that was made a short while back.

[@justusbowman]

@@RetroCoreThanks. That's the one I played. I'm not worried about small dialogue changes, but I'll look up the plots now! I'm big on story.

[@ugzz]

I actually prefer the intro music on the Mega Drive to even the X68000.. A sentence I Never thought I would write!

[@RetroCore]

Sometimes the Mega Drive can sound really nice 👍

[@apollosungod2819]

Polygon graphics are definetly possible by skilled game programmers using the limited resources and their experience at coding on NON-3d chipset hardware via pure software coding... this is actually true even on certain PC-DOS games made before Microsoft's nefarious direct X launch. There were many skilled Brittish game programmers who made amazingly revolutionary 3d games that the mainstream PC gamer media did not really focus on like the 1995 or 1996 F1 championship racing game which did not use any 3d chipset on PC-DOS... so image if that programmer had been instead working on the Sega Saturn with its custom 3d chipset and dual CPUs. The key difference is that Namco's StarBlade used a very expensive and custom dual CPU 3d chipset powered arcade hardware while Star Cruiser and Silpheed were made custom coded for Japanese proprietary PC hardware CPU software coding... Meanwhile Shadow Squadron aka Stellar Assault, being a Sega created game, ran on Sega's custom hardware and the first one was wasted on the 32X thanks to the greedy, arrogant ideology of Sega of America's management staff who did not care about supporting the Sega Saturn and when the Saturn version released, refused to support it. Further a key difference is that outside Japan, you were left to rely on the subsidiary branch effort to get people aware of these games, where they came from and why you had to know about them to play them outside of the very few hardcore gamer magazines that managed to know any information directly from Japan. Nintendo of America had been fully tapping into Japan and doing some of the best possible marketing hype using their Nintendo Power Magazine which was not only official but was a monthly publication while Sega of America simply did not treat their official Sega Visions Magazine or the Sega fanbase with any amount of respect so even when Shadow Squadron released, very few knew about or were hyped about the game other than being told to buy the 32X by Sega of America in 1994 and 1995 despite wise adult and late teen gamers who had working income and were highly numerous and ignored by SoA, were fully aware that the Sega Saturn and Sony PlayStation and Ultra 64 were in the pipeline and should have been prioritized and focused on.

[@RetroCore]

There's a super smooth poly racer on the Mega Drive called F1 by Domark. So impressive.

[@apollosungod2819]

@@RetroCore I gotta check it out... I was thinking about Star Cruiser, if it had been properly localized back when it first released (obviously requiring a full translation) that it would really need the marketing staff from Nintendo of America to actually push the game since Nintendo of America was just much more effective at this than Sega of America ever was. I do believe I played the Domark F1 game but not sure atm...

[@JorgeAraujo97]

It certainly looks more interesting to play than Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen, that's for sure.

[@johnebbs3819]

Good vid

[@pgodwin]

Does the 68000 port have some anti-aliasing? Or is that a video artefact?

[@RetroCore]

It seems to have some sort of anti-aliasing.

[@pgodwin]

@@RetroCore that's pretty freaking amazing for the time and the hardware!

[@solarflare9078]

Wow. That's impressive. I'm the type of person to try and stay far away from anti-aliasing though. I always hated it.

[@fulgenzio1973]

My unattainable dream is to be a Japanese teenager living in the mid-1980s.

[@bhirawamaylana466]

Not 70s ?

[@Ashura96]

I've always been impressed with this game. Japanese PC gamers seem to have had it better than what was available for DOS based PCs in the west in the late 80s. This would have also been an amazing game to release in the west on the MD, I guess not even Sega wanted to bother with localizing it.

[@RetroCore]

Namco had the rights to the western release. They'd even translated it but for some reason the game was never released.

[@Ashura96]

@@RetroCore wow that's a real shame. Would be amazing to find a prototype rom of their translated and localized version.

[@alexbrookner5331]

Why would the European micro computers limit themselves to 1 button

[@amerigocosta7452]

Not only European but also some American micro computers had this horrible thing about the one button (Atari, Commodore..) I think it's because of how influential was the Atari 2600 at the time these machines were conceived. Too bad game design would progress very quickly, leaving that type of controls behind. Said that, later Amstrad CPC models actually had 2 button controllers bundled. Talking about non European micros, the Amiga supported three different buttons from the get go, but it's safe to say most developers never cared and the few ones that did, at best supported two. In Japan on the other hand they figured out pretty soon what had to be done, and even a primitive machine like the MSX-1 had many games using two buttons.

[@spacefractal]

havent heard of this game, property because its very japanse and would not find around it at all. Anyway generally 3d graphics fps was quite very slow back in the days generally on 8/16 home machines. Also its look like its "cheated" quite a bit on mega drive, but if its works then its works. here its works extractly as intended. So..... Howover im did played a 3d maze game where flied a similar plane and tried to shoot each other in a maze. Its was a Mac game and was quite fun as im remember it.

[@RetroCore]

The 3D for the environment on the Mega Drive is quite odd. It would be interesting to know how they did it.

[@benbreeck3363]

So, basicAlly, it was _Elite_ for Japanese home computers, right?

[@RetroCore]

Hmm, in away but a bit more advanced visually.

[@NP-ip3nj]

So it's No Man's Sky, but good?

[@RetroCore]

For its time, yes, very good.

[@IuriFiedoruk]

If Starfox isn't inspirated in this game, I am a circu's monkey! Even the music style is similar.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

So you're telling me a bunch of guys from the UK copied a game no one outside of Japan even knew was a thing?

[@RetroCore]

Actually, that would make sense because nobody could say it was a copy 😋. I don't think they did rip this off though. Many basic polygon ships kind of looks like this.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

@Diskun I forget us dumb, inferior Westerners cannot POSSIBLY have developed or innovated anything without it being a copy of our superior Japanese counterparts. /s

[@SomeOrangeCat]

@@RetroCore There are people who seem to be conditioned to think that only the Japanese could have made...anything. The rest of the world just copies their homework.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

@Diskun Yeah, Nintendo HATES getting showed up by second party developers, ESPECIALLY Western ones. Its why they made Metroid Other M. They couldn't STAND that some guys from Texas did Metroid better than they did. Its also why Retro isn't being allowed to work on Metroid Prime 4.

[@MahmoudEhab2023]

hey mark could you do a battle of the ports to street fighter 3 3rd strike?

[@RetroCore]

Maybe. Getting later versions of the game after Dreamcast is a problem.

[@MahmoudEhab2023]

@@RetroCore oh is it rare to find the stteet fighter anniversary collection or the standalone ps2 version? i mean for the ps3/xbox one i can understand thanks to the current state

[@bhirawamaylana466]

Never hear this game but consider it's never left Japan I guess that no surprise I never hear of this game as I always avoid early 3D-ish game coz how choppy the frame rate and how ugly the graphic.

[@RetroCore]

Yeah, they're not like they are now but so e of the early stuff can still be good.

[@ProbableKoz]

First!