Battle of the PRC Rifle Cartridges (6.5PRC vs 7 PRC vs 300PRC)

[@backfire]

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[@miketyson8933]

Seriously dude, I have the Christensen MPR .300 PRC and my 8 year old son shoots it with a bipod the recoil is almost nothing because of that break and I didn't even take any of the top screws out. Funny how you guys talk about recoil.....STOP IT!

[@hantusmostert]

Neck the 300PRC down to 300WSM/PRC

[@JJ-iu5hl]

​@@miketyson8933He did specifically say put a brake on it. But a brake adds backward blast, which exacerbates hearing damage hunters have always faced. Minimizing recoil when a bigger round is unnecessary is almost always better for a number of reasons. But I'm glad the two of you do well with the cartridge. And most importantly, I'm glad you're engaging with your son. Well done on that front.

[@tman3831]

Hey after watching this I'm thinking it would be awesome to see you do multiple tests of the most common hunting bullets in a common powerful caliber (300wm) mostly focusing on how they hold together and how it can affect your hunt

[@tman3831]

It would also be a great addition to your website since you have favorite rifles, gear, ... would be nice to see your preference on bullets since that's more important than caliber most of the time

[@DJ-3551-1]

I would like to see a head to head with the 7PRC and the 6.8 Western. What a cool match up that would be.

[@mryang3644]

Vs 7LRM ....... I'm sure it's the same ballistics from Gunwerks creation.

[@lesliegreco-pool1960]

I want to see the 7 SAUM vs 7 PRC comparison video! Jim, you have both. When my SAUM barrel is done, what should I get?

[@tobyh3681]

Ron Spomer just did a recent vid on these two.

[@tec9944]

@@lesliegreco-pool1960 the saum is literally hard to beat. Flat hard hitting long range power house that can be loaded low or hi big or low recoil, favorite round ever

[@nohandle257]

I've recently started really using my 6.5 PRC and the ELD-X ammunition. Usually I spend most of my time shooting hogs at night with my Grendel but my land owner friend/neighbor asked me to help him with his Aoudad problem. The Aoudad are eating up at least half of the food he puts out for the White tail, Axis and Elk we have here in SSW Texas. I've now killed three Aoudad at about 160 yards and all have been bang flops. A couple days ago I had the largest hog of my life come in at that range and again, one shot one bang flop. That hog was old. He had not just massive shoulder shields but even down his rib cage. A real gladiator and came in at around 275 pounds. It was nearly dark and I had to opt for a shoulder shot. The bullet penetrated dead center on his shoulder shield and lodged under the off side shield. I would not hesitate to take an Elk with this cartridge. I hate recoil and don't care to go up in caliber and I don't hunt bears so this 6.5 PRC is all I'll ever need. Plus I'm a walnut and blued steel lover and this Winchester Model 70 from FN is the present love of my life. It's a tack driver with factory Hornady 143 grain ELD-X ammo.

[@haydenhumpherys1578]

The stopping power on the 300 prc along with the accuracy at long ranges, shooting heavy high bc bullets, it’s unmatched. Favorite round ever

[@phillycheesetake]

It is literally OUTmatched by the 7prc.

[@alexmills1329]

@@phillycheesetakeuntil you get some 230/250 a tips in that 300… if you really need a more consistent shooting round, which outside of bragging rights most don’t.

[@phillycheesetake]

@@alexmills1329 Sure, then you get it's ballistic twin...with more powder, higher-cost projectiles, larger action size, more recoil, etc. With anything lighter, the 7mm pulls ahead, with the heaviest EOL bullets they're tied in everything but projectile weight.

[@alexmills1329]

@@phillycheesetake it’s actually really impressive what some of those heavy .30’s are doing, not to take away from the 7’s because they are definitely the sweet spot, but these things look like they can go out and replace a good 338 even out to ELR depending on how they shake out. I haven’t shot them yet and I don’t have a range for over 800 yards but on paper they blow me away.

[@groundcontrol5365]

@@phillycheesetake Except 7 prc will burn barrels faster. And tbh the guys who want to shoot 300 prc are trying to replace 338 lapua and a 230 grain 300 prc does that better than a 195 7mm PRC. Trajectory is the same but energy on target isn't really close

[@jaredstewmelt]

How can they be the 3 most popular hunting cartridges on the market if one of them isn't on the market?

[@driftertank]

Because "Marketing Hype."

[@jaredstewmelt]

I mean... Based on Jim's own top 15 article from just a few months back, the 6.5 PRC isn't even top 5 and the 300 PRC barely makes top 10. And even IF we ignore 22LR and 223 Rem from that list (#1 and #2 respectively, cuz we are talking about hunting) and even IF we knock off 22-250 cuz we are nervous about shooting bigger game with it (#8) that puts 6.5 PRC in the #5 spot and 300 PRC in at #7 Sooooo... Still not even close.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

@@jaredstewmelt All a man has to do is look. What is on the selves right now? 308 is definitely leading the way. '06 is most certainly right there. And while it is not on the shelves in abundance at the moment 30-30 is most certainly more popular than any of the new wiz bang calibers.

[@donnysanner342]

@@jaredstewmelt Man you said EXACTLY what I was thinking. I like this guy however.....well enough said.

[@donnysanner342]

Brother I really don't see what your excited about.....yeah they're great if your shooting 1000 yards. However you said the best hunting rounds....Brother most of disagree I'm sure....

[@MattChat56]

ELD-X is a bullet I dumped and switched to the Federal Terminal Ascent. Holds together much much better.

[@mr.mr.3301]

This is why we don’t hunt with eldx. You are correct bullet selection is more important than caliber.

[@jordanjensen5428]

I would be very interested to see how different the penetration and wound channels would be between the PRCs loaded with monometal bullets.

[@marcmoore4115]

Yep! Personally, I'm really not a fan of the ELD-X - just look at the bottles.. core and jacket separation, fragments everywhere... not what I personally want from a hunting bullet. I'd love to see this done again with something bonded like Nosler AccuBond and a mono like the Barnes TTSX.

[@ryanconger5098]

I personally have shot elk with a 300 Win With the ELD-X 200 Grain two shots hit shoulder and exploded and they didn’t penetrate shoulder core and jacket separated not a fan of ELD-X bullets for game went back to Barnes and Nosler for hunting.

[@1148bucknasty]

Agreed, bonded and monolithic all day for elk

[@marcmoore4115]

@@ryanconger5098 I haven't tried ELD-X myself, but I have seen one used out of a .300 Win Mag (not sure of weight - I assume 212gr) on a Gemsbok at ~180m. Worked great even though it separated, the Gemsbok went down quick. Comparing it to my .308 with the 165gr AccuBond, the AB expands way more and keeps intact sp it has better penetration. I'm interested in trying Bergers, but I really think the AccuBond and Barnes are the way to go for such large species.

[@JosephWilhoit-l2x]

​@marcmoore4115 exactly no way I would use rounds that come apart like that I just bought a 7prc but I will not be using eld x it's basically a v max no thanks

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

Most popular? Never knew any of these outsold 30.06, .308, .270, etc

[@WayStedYou]

it was sarcasm

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

@@WayStedYou Poorly done then.

[@loganvictor3494]

I always get excited when I see a backfire video on my feed!!

[@hunteranderson93]

Really liking the 7 PRC videos! Can’t wait to see you use it on some hunts this season. Looking foreword to getting one for myself after they become available!

[@tomlarue654]

I want to see the difference between the factory 7 PRC and Jim’s ammo.

[@hunteranderson93]

Yes that will be interesting

[@kencleg7721]

Big fan of .284 lots of bullets I’ll probably loose all my .264 stuff I like the way they shoot don’t get me wrong just too much to deal with my v l s is rigged for 110 currently I like the way it puts down animals I am not shooting over 200 anymore so the 6.5 is really not needed

[@kencleg7721]

Let’s see some ballistics info 7 mm prc vs .280 a I ? Any reloading data out on it yet ? Always did like the ol . 284 ballistics very efficient

[@kencleg7721]

Hopefully it won’t like the really slow stuff like the 6.5 s that’s one reason

[@wyattgraham5711]

I do think the 6.8 western fits in that mix. It’s the same engineering purpose and design behind it. They all seem to push similar B.C. bullets for the caliber the same velocity. Even though Hornady didn’t design the 6.8 western, it hits that same spot the 7 prc does.

[@Liamisdead99]

The only thing it has at its advantage is wind drift and is a short action. But it is a great cartridge for deer up to plains game in africa

[@marcmoore4115]

@@Liamisdead99 here in Africa, many are switching from the .30-06, .270 or .308 they have to a 6.5 Creedmoor for everything up to the 1800lbs Eland. In my eyes, anything from 6.5x47 Lapua (even .25-06 and to SOME extent .243) up to .338 Win Mag will work great for Plains Game. So the 6.8 Western definitely falls into that category. If you pick a good bullet (most outfitters recommend mono or bonded, not something like the ELD-X) and make sure you can shoot the rifle accurately every time... you'll have great results regardless of what you pick, really. My personal choice goes to the .280 AI, but I wouldn't hesitate using a 6.5mm. I currently use .308 and it's plenty punch for Gemsbok.

[@Liamisdead99]

@@marcmoore4115 I’m currently using a ruger Mkii Hawkeye 7mm 08 with 140 grain Remington core lokts and I’ve taken 4 deer with it and they drop in there tracks so I also see no problem for it for a gemsbok but a little harder to find ammo for than 308.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@Liamisdead99 People seem to have a stigma of African game being so much tougher. Gemsbok weigh up to 240kg - I've harvested one that weighed around 230kg and have seen one that might actually top 240kg. They definitely are tough, but I don't think they are any tougher than an Elk. When I got my .308, I was actually debating whether I go .308 or 6.5 Creed - I wanted a 7-08, but it's near impossible to find any ammo or rifles for it here in Namibia. I only chose .308 because the only 6.5 Creed ammo frequently available was Match ammo, whereas with .308 I have 4 solid options that are always available... but now that I reload, it doesn't matter anyway 😅 if you ever come to Africa for ains game, there really isn't any reason to buy something bigger than your 7-08. Many outfitters are encouraging using what you are used to and can shoot well and loading it with a good bullet.

[@jfess1911]

​@@Liamisdead99 The 6.8 Western is 2.955" long and won't fit in many short actions. A typical short action is closer to the length of a 308 (2.81" long). Most of the time, they both will be put in a 30-06 (3.34") action.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

7mm PRC is the ideal new heavy hitter with reasonable recoil.175 grain is like a 195 grain 308 caliber with regards to sectional density parity.

[@nicholasdavis9849]

It’s telling how confident you are in your shooting with how close your truck is to your target. Nice video as always my friend.

[@redrock425]

From 100m away I should hope he doesn't hit a truck! Should be trying for sub 0.5MOA 😉

[@alumniduck]

@@redrock425 Hitting directly I wouldn't worry. However you never know where the bullet goes after it hits a target, especially something like a hammer.

[@albertlemont5471]

Nobody gonna comment on the decision to park the pickup beside the target? Edit... Now it is his truck. His rifle so have at it. My comment was more to poke fun at Mark than question His range safety habits. He is a smart guy and nobody was in trouble but his truck. I am sure he is more safe on the range than alot folks commenting. This channel has a lot of good information and I encourage folks to stick around.

[@JOSHUAGROY]

exactly

[@TurboToby]

I am absolutely dumbfounded that the truck was parked next to the target like that.

[@jerryk4320]

not my pickup

[@zacharyharwell351]

Range day + car wash day

[@stirlingshirah1513]

Pretty sure he was hoping the comment section would light up about this topic just to help his KZbin algorithms.

[@MaxairEngineering]

I was one of those recoil deniers, until I put a brake on my then 30-06 hunting rifle and saw the difference in my shooting ability. When hunting you rarely get the perfect position, for managing heavy recoil. I am now shooting the 6.5 PRC and I have to say I just freaking love it. I’m getting decent ballistics for everything from antelope to elk and the wind busting that is critical here in Wyoming. The recoil allows me to often times see my shot placement, even from an imperfect positional. I handload so I can make the most of the ballistics.

[@theblindsniper9130]

We really are coming to a new age of next generation developments in both firearms and ammunition technology. We seem to hit this evolution in each generation. Muzzle loaders to breech loaders. To repeaters with cased ammo, to bolt actions with spitzer bullets. To intermediate rifles and cartridges, to rifles taking electronic optics and ammunition with performances that absolutely blows the previous generations out of the water.

[@jeremychapman6468]

Confidence is high in shooting that close to the truck!

[@averyhartvigson4893]

I just want a ballistics gel video about eld-x vs eld-m. Can't find precision hunter anywhere, but Hornady match is falling off the shelves.

[@OB1F1]

You should do a video on finding ammo for them

[@YELLOWTA93]

If you needed any more reasons to not use Hornady ELDX bullets!

[@jayblemsin4226]

I thought everyone loved eldx

[@scottwinterton7210]

Very nice to see a video shooting out at distance with gel. Thanks for the work, enjoy the warmish weather in St. George!

[@US2A]

I thought this looked local lol

[@pedropistolas8497]

Exactly what I was hoping for!

[@adamgauldin5463]

It’s videos like this that convinced me to buy a rifle in each of these calibers.

[@darionvacher9841]

Just bought a 7mm PRC, already love it, recoil isn't bad, about the same as a 300 win mag. Would love a 300 PRC down the road.

[@erikleirmo9147]

Gotta watch this got my Tikka and my VX Freedom because of your channel and I trust your testing more than anyone else

[@TODinWY]

Good choice on Preferred Barrels for your 7mm. I have one on a sporter-weight .25-06 Imp. and it's a KILLER barrel.

[@paulcritchfield6958]

7 PRC wound channel in gel looked wicked

[@arnobigdog]

Would love to see the same test with Nosler accubonds or partitions.

[@54Rocketeer]

Would kill the ELD-X I bet!

[@StandForSomethingGood]

Totally appreciate the education you're giving me. I'm new to the guns and ammo arena and just deciding on which hunting rifle to get. So this is helpful. I keep coming back to the 7mm group so any other advice you wanna send me, I'm open. Good to have a fellow-Utahn on the channels.

[@niio111]

Hardly enough difference between the 6.5 and 7 to consider them a combo. I'd pick 6.5prc if those were the only choices; You can't get 7prc ammo virtually anywhere. My actual combo is the 6.5cm (lots of factory ammo) and 300PRC, which also has ammo available.

[@SquiresOutside]

You should use all 3 rifles to test out the new Hornady CX bullets 😉

[@ExF1Guy]

@@ronlowney4700 So far my go to for bullet testing has been Frontline Rejects. They don't have a ton of videos, but a decent selection.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@ExF1Guy I was going to mention the exact same guys. No opinions or 'this is better than that', they just shoot and show the results. I also like that they test at 100 out to 500, because it gives much better info than what many others do.

[@KC-7mm]

I agree but I think at the least the first ballistic gel needs to be changed out to give the test a fair comparison I think the gel is compromised after the first initial expansion upon entry.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@KC-7mm that could possibly be, yeah. I don't know the dynamics of the gel, but my brain is telling me that it makes sense that the gel woukd react slightly differently if it already has been shot.

[@buckaroobonsi555]

I have been telling you for some time that hunting performance is about bullet construction. Leave the ELDX bullets alone if you truly want to ensure you kill your game as quickly as possible. Stop worshiping at the altar of Hornady factory ammo! Get yourself some Nosler Partitions and repeat those test's with bullets actual designed to hunt and kill efficiently as opposed to being biased just to slip through the air well and produce tight groups on paper! Just like it would be foolish to chose a Corvette to tow and haul heavy loads it is likewise a fools folly to use bullets that are poorly constructed for hunting to hunt with or to do penetration testing. I would never use Hornady Factory ammo to hunt with unless it was deer sized or smaller and if that is all I can find for that cartridge time to either reload or find another cartridge. I do not think I have ever seen you shoot a decent bullet for hunting out out of anything Hornady has designed in regards to their proprietary cartridges and you seem to handicap a lot of other cartridges with their bullets as well! Surely you have heard of Swift A Frames, Nosler Partitions, Barnes Solid Copper bullets and the like! Berger's are terrible hunting bullets too. Fusion is garbage too as far as serious hunting bullet is concerned. It is even more important when you are looking at cartridges with fairly high velocity.

[@SiskiyouMountainman]

😅Jim, I have had a great experience watching and reading your content for years - just fun and informative. I am stoked about the 7PRC. It must have cost you family serious cash just getting ammo not to mention the rifle. Have you been seeing ammo for it yet? I hate waiting. Again thanks from So. Oregon

[@johncrenshaw1383]

I must admit that I am a little jealous of your 7PRC! I have a 6.5PRC Springfield Armory Model 2020 Waypoint w/ Zeiss LRP S5 5-25X56 And a 300PRC Fierce Carbon Rival w/ Kahles K525i 5-25X56 I hope to have a 7PRC soon!

[@lessforloans]

I mean you’re doing just fine on the rifle category lol

[@kurtglo]

@@lessforloans I agree. The difference between wants and needs is the size of a mans wallet

[@miketyson8933]

Same Christensen MPR I have! Beast I love it

[@LTVoyager]

Still nothing that impresses me enough to consider getting rid of my 7mm Rem Mag and 7mm-08. One for longer range and one for in the woods and I’ve pretty much got North America covered.

[@robburns5030]

Would be interesting to see it done with the copper bullets like a barns

[@jrhunt414]

More videos of ELD-X separating and exploding. ELD-X is a solution for a problem that only a few people have. Shooting animals at very extreme ranges. Yet the bullet is shoved down our throats and promoted as a real hunting bullet. There really should be a disclaimer on the box stating maximum impact velocity and a minimum distance for hunting.

[@backfire]

I can appreciate that perspective and I do see some weaknesses of the ELDX, but I don’t see how I somehow “shoved the bullet down your throat” by merely using it. Also, I should add that I’ve killed about 40 animals with the ELDX and haven’t lost one. Again, not really defending it because I don’t think it’s the best out there, but offering my experience.

[@jfox71]

The ELDX has been extremely accurate out of my rifles. I have killed 4 animals withit but I will never shoot it at a game animal again. I shot a pronghorn off hand at short range and hit bone. The bullet did not get into the chest cavity and i had to spend the next hour chasing a wounded animal before I finished him off at about 300yds. The first thing I did was apologize when I walked up to the animal.

[@jrhunt414]

@@backfire let me rephrase. You aren’t shoving the ELDX down our throats. Hornady is. They are an excellent company at the cutting edge of technology and they created something they are passionate about. But it has a very small use case. Seems to be the only bullet chambered in everything that is available from Hornady. All I see on the shelf from Hornady is ELDX and SST. Hornady has their own cartridges they designed and these bullets are what the are pumping out in them. People don’t research bullet construction and terminal performance. They see Precision Hunter and think, hey some accurate hunting ammo is available on the shelf. They buy it and shoot a moose or bear at 20 yards. Hornady knows that in these magnums the bullet will fail at high velocity. They didn’t design it for that. But nowhere on the box is anything telling anyone that the bullet will fail in the chambering at close distance. This is a long range bullet designed to buck wind and perform at extreme distance and it does that well, but that only solves a problem for 5 percent of hunters while creating big problems for the rest. Bullet manufacturers used to show pictures of bullets in their marketing at various impact velocity. When will Hornady show us cup and core separation and fragmentation at high velocity. If Barnes can show us failure to expand at low velocity so that the consumer can make the proper choice, then why can’t Hornady admit to bullet failure at the high velocity that the ammo produces? Hornady knows that they have a high profit margin on the ELDX with its simple cup and core construction and they know people will pay more for accuracy. So they put this very niche bullet in everything and pump out the ammo. People buy it because it’s what’s on the shelf and they trust the Hornady name and marketing. But they aren’t getting the full story and small niche the bullet was designed for.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@jrhunt414 This is by far the best explanation I've seen for this topic. Well said.

[@jrhunt414]

@@marcmoore4115 Thanks hopefully Hornady sees it and simply puts some fine print on the boxes of Magnums that says something like “jacket separation may occur at close distance impact velocities over X.

[@JTBULLOCK0187]

How’s the oryx chassis?

[@linkchen8245]

PRC exist because Hornady wants to make more bank lol but they are great, ty for the test it's fun to watch !

[@markcarew6724]

Hornady's ELD-X bullets prove across three calibers that they are not hunting bullets.

[@oneshotpete6.591]

“ today we’re testing the 3 most popular hunting cartridges ” oh and if ya haven’t heard about the 7prc , well that’s cause it’s not out yet … but it’s one of the most popular hunting cartridges 🤣

[@axxiom20001]

If I add a good muzzle brake (HAWG?) to a 7mm PRC, would that be comparable to the recoil of a 6.5 PRC without a brake?

[@RichGann]

Is your spreadsheet with ballistic info public? Of is there one? thx and keep up the content.

[@joelclark2130]

I think the 300 PRC, has its virtues. Being a 45-70 shooter. I think with practice. And getting a gun that fits you. I think it can be a great all-around cartridge.

[@xbsickness]

The 300 PRC is awesome..!

[@caseychristensen3216]

I am looking for bison and elk round. Should I go 7prc or 300prc? Is there one better to reload over the other.

[@ludok1551]

I currently use a 30-06 for Elk. Looking to upgrade to a custom light weight gun.. what would you choose? 7PRC? I’m struggling with this decision!

[@woodycartis7977]

It has been on KZbin. It is going to be the caliber in my first custom rifle. Great down range ballistics. Not too much but just right.

[@dimahunter1797]

Very interesting. 300 PRC is too heavy. For me personally is more useful to see comparison of 6.5 PRC, 6.8 Western and 7 PRC. Also, instead of 7 PRC we may include 7 SAUM. It will be the great battle of short action calibers.

[@chadperry4021]

As the owner of the 300 I’m glad it’s included, but I’m probably not going to hunt with it.

[@jfess1911]

George Gardner (the G in G.A. Precision) apparently prefers the case design of the PRC's over the SAUM, WSM and 6.8 Western. They all use the same rim diameter. He says the PRC's feed better because the body of the case body is same diameter as the rim. The bodies of the other cartridges are larger diameter than the rim. He said it is more difficult to get the fatter-bodied cases to feed well in a repeater.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

.280 A.I. continues to be a super capable cartridge.

[@jfess1911]

FWIW, the 7 SAUM will fit in most true short actions, but the others will not. The 6.5 PRC and 6.8 Western require a 3" long action, and most short actions are closer to the 308's 2.81" length. The 7 PRC is 3.34" long, the same as the 30-06 or .280 AI.

[@johnkillian5232]

So where does the 6.8 western fall? It's a lot like these cartridges ie short action, high twist rate, great bc (if you get the most modern+heavy bullets).

[@darinb4794]

love this channel. Thanks!

[@backfire]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@adampennington8954]

The 6.5 PRC is PLENTY for elk. I've killed elk at reasonable ranges with a .243 Winchester. Most "hunters" these days are overgunned and underskilled.

[@evanwindom]

LOVE the "For Narniaaaaaa....."

[@jfox71]

You're shooting those POS ELDX bullets that won't hold together at high velocity.

[@jfess1911]

The ELD-X is really a budget bullet. Not as complicated as a partition, bonded, or monolithic bullet. It is built for long range accuracy and decent performance at "cup and core" prices. I guess that it would be fine at lower velocities, but I would prefer something else if I thought I might be shooting at short range with one of these higher velocity cartridges.

[@jfox71]

@@jfess1911 i now shoot federal terminal ascent bullets. I will start handloading them soon.

[@jfox71]

@@jfess1911 they don't charge budget prices for them.

[@jfess1911]

@@jfox71 I shoulda probably written: relatively inexpensive to PRODUCE. What they actually charge is another matter.

[@jfess1911]

@@jfox71 The solid copper base should do an excellent job of penetration. This is the kind of bullet that I think works best when you have a relatively high-velocity cartridge but might also shoot at short range.

[@hxl6162]

I wish I had those calibers available here in Brazil,😢Best regards from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@texpatriot8462]

I worried one of those shards would deflect into your truck.

[@secondamendment8773]

I wish you would have discussed how they would work for long range target shooting. I know I’ll be able to find that info but it would have been nice if you had discussed their use for long range hunting and target shooting.

[@tomlarue654]

Try Accubonds

[@shooter8364]

I shoot the 6.5 pro and love the gun, i shoot distance and hunt with it. Love the gun

[@kurtwpg]

Everything I've heard about the ELD-X is that it pretty much explodes at short range. I'm assuming you used it for the water jug test because that was the only 7mm ammo.

[@Go__Birds]

Barnes lrx or nosler accubond are my go to. Those eld-x shoot as good as match bullets though

[@marcmoore4115]

Looking at the jugs, they had jacket and core separation and way too much fragmentation for what I'd want from a hunting bullet. Personally I use the 165gr Nosler AccuBond in my .308 Win around 2650fps and so far have had awesome results with it on Gemsbok - had one neck shot at about 80m, hit the neck vertebrae, scratched the heart, punctured one lung and damaged the other, hit the liver and eventually stopped in the stomach. Very impressive. I have found that within 100m they seem to lose about 40-50% of the weight and don't penetrate as far and further than 130m they retain enough weight to go right through, but they work really well so I won't complain. I'd love to try 168gr AccuBond Long Range - I wonder if they'd over expand too much at close range.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@Go__Birds can't go wrong with AccuBond 🤙🏻 my .308 shoots them under 0.5", best 3 shot group I've had was 0.16"... more than good enough lol!

[@kurtwpg]

@@marcmoore4115 I think the entire point of ELD-X (terminally) is to have good expansion at under 2000fps. You're going to have tradeoffs to get that.

[@jfess1911]

@@kurtwpg The ELD-X is an attempt to get a relatively inexpensive bullet to work over a wide velocity range. It open well at lower velocities. In order to get decent penetration at high velocity, it sheds a lot of lead to keep the mushroom from getting too large and acting like a parachute.

[@octanejimmy]

Sir..... Youre shooting towards my house!!! Great video. 7PRC is tempting. Thanks

[@randallwhite9015]

Well the 350 Legend will do 6 jugs. Lower fps drives deep. Very high fps rips bullets apart. Also killing better at long range.

[@mryang3644]

I'd put my 257 wby blackjack 131 against all 3 of them... I pretty sure I have a Waaayyy Flatter round!!!

[@samhouston5217]

I'd like to see ENERGY comparison max. 1500 Ft-lbs for elk... which one is more EFFECTIVE the farthest out.

[@jstraus34]

Test would have been a lot more interesting with bonded bullets. ELD-X is a killer but cup and core almost always separate

[@jordanemfield6973]

I'm not a fan of the eldx very accurate but do not like the fragmentation of it hits a shoulder and explodes and doesn't penetrate

[@beestoe993]

Have you done a video about the penetration of different bullet weights/velocities in the same caliber?

[@tonnapoppe1844]

Mr backfire can you compare 300prc vs 30-378weatherby

[@jasonbeary5771]

Really, the ;ballistic gel and mild jug is 'barking up the wrong tree'. You want to test the muzzle velocity, the accuracy over many loads and the chambering ease. Some people have questions or worries about chambering with these SHARP shoulders and nearly straight walls of the brass. The same bullet going within 200 fps will, of course, do the same thing upon impact.

[@MrRourk]

No 25 PRC? Well we been down this rabbit hole before with the 06' and the Magnums. So where is the 25 at?

[@vikp6115]

I'm amazed that shrapnel didn't go through ur car you parked so close

[@Saa45MIV]

Isnt a jacket core separation a bullet failure? Isn’t that exactly what these eld-x bullets do every time?

[@marcmoore4115]

I think that the ELD-X is mis-marketed as a 'do it all', when actually at close range they 'work'. Personally, I've only got one experience with ELD-X, which was a 200gr ELD-X on a Gemsbok at about 180m with a .300 Win Mag. Broadside, high lung. Recovered the bullet in the ribs, it had jacket and core separation. Comparatively my .308 with 165 AccuBond's on a nearly identical shot (also around 180m, broadside high lung) managed to go right through. The Gemsbok shot with the ELD-X ran roughly 200m, whereas the one shot with the AccuBond ran roughly 100m, but that will be different every time and far from conclusive.

[@Saa45MIV]

@@marcmoore4115 ya I personally am on a fan of these eld-x bullets. They are just cup and core junk no different than the interlocks.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@Saa45MIV you're pretty much right.. the SST and InterLock have pretty much the same internal design - just different BCs. I think the InterLock is the toughest of the 3 though and therefore sees the least separations, but I'm not too sure. The ELD-M is also pretty much the same, just no InterLock ring and slightly thinner copper jacket. Makes it arguably a better bullet for 800yds+ on game than an ELD-X, but I wouldn't be the one to find that out regardless.. that's like 3x too far for me lol

[@atAlyssabeth]

So if I was thinking of getting a 6.5 PRC over a Creedmoor, but now learned about 7 PRC, I should just get a 7mm PRC right?

[@robertcable3467]

Why are you more concerned about fps rather than energy down range? Isn’t energy what kills?

[@adamelam6385]

7mm PRC? Color me intrigued.

[@tedkoch357]

You should’ve gotten way closer to the jugs like 12 inches

[@nathanadams8207]

Load PRC with some Accubond, that would be interesting

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Great content. Thank you

[@lovethehuntOutdoors]

A 243 is overkill on a deer. The 300 PRC on a deer is...😲💥💥💥🔥

[@fredrikottesen1480]

Here in Scandinavia we use 6,5mm to take down everything from rabbits to large moose, this is the 6,5x55 Swede and has almost the same balistics as 6,5cm, hunters in Scandinavia has used this cartrigde for decades with great results from short to long ranges, Almost every American cartridge review is like "you`ll need an big 30`s or 338 to take down a moose, is it because "bigger is better" mentality? we focus on bullet designs/expansion and shot placement like #1 priority.

[@jcgardner5852]

Love the 6.5 swede

[@dylanschannel6275]

Been highly considering the 6.5prc only thing is I don’t reload my own ammunition. Not sure if it’s going to be worth getting the rifle just to shoot with factory ammos.

[@brentfleckner3294]

The hornady factory ammo is great. So is the Norma and it's more affordable.

[@dylanschannel6275]

@@brentfleckner3294 thanks will look into it

[@marcmoore4115]

@@brentfleckner3294 I will agree that Hornady factory ammo is great, but I am not particularly a fan of their bullets. On Gemsbok, with my .308 Win, I've had good results with the InterLock and the SST, but I've had much better results with the AccuBond. Although on Warthogs the SST and InterLock usually resulted in 'bang-flop' and the AccuBond I've had them tend to run, but only a couple steps. I don't like their famous ELD-X, because it seems to love to have core and jacket separation, but I know of many that use it and with great success.

[@brentfleckner3294]

@@marcmoore4115 I've killed two bulls with Barnes VorTx and been there to see a cow drop from my rifle as well. I've only (so far) shot the eldx at the range and based on that feel good about shooting vitals at hunting ranges - We'll see though. Thanks for you comments!

[@marcmoore4115]

@@brentfleckner3294 Bullet choice is everyone's personal opinion and it's so dynamic, everyone experiences something different every time, even on seemingly identical shots. I'd say a close 2nd to bullet design is shot placement and if you know that at the distance you're hunting, you can hit the perfect shot because your accuracy is better with X bullet over Y bullet, then it's probably best to take the more accurate one. I have the privilege of living on a farm in Namibia, so I get to hunt all year round, no limit. I've taken 11 Gemsbok and I think my worst experience so far was with SST's, but honestly that's most likely due to inexperience. Who knows - maybe one day I'll be a preacher of the ELD-X lol.

[@TheTonygong]

Super interesting thanks

[@MrJtin69]

Finally someone tests at range

[@thatoneguy454c]

300 PRC is insane

[@1mrgriz]

Most popular but hasn’t been on the market yet wonder how that works

[@TheShadiboy1]

Yep it's like 243 vs 6.5 vs 308 but 308 is the boss 25-06 vs 270 vs 30-06 but 30-06 is the boss

[@yusuf9272]

Please do a comparison to a .300WSM

[@bradyfeinauer7089]

Id like to see if there is difference in penetration after hitting something like a shoulder blade. I think it would be interesting to compare

[@marcmoore4115]

There is a youtube channel called something along the lines of long range shooting club or something like that and he uses hide and shoulder blades in his testing. He's also kinda proven that shoulder blades don't really make a difference and the difference in thickness and 'strength' of elk vs deer shoulder blades is.... well negligible, really. I was very surprised seeing those results.

[@llamawizard]

Not great using th ELDX. it just breaks apart. Can’t tell the true penetrating power of the rounds.

[@cottleful]

Probably won’t watch the video honestly but the .300 prc hands down 😂

[@edwardh1591]

I use the 6.5 prc with the Hornady 140 eldm. It’s great for white tail deer. They never walk away

[@chrisvonahnen3578]

Very good presentation 👍

[@milepetricevic7267]

Great video, I’m looking at getting a new rifle mainly going to hunt deer moose and black bear max distance of shot will be 400 yards but most shots would be within 200 yards. I’m looking at .308, 30-06 6.5 prc or 7.5 prc… with this said I would prefer something with less recoil but at the same time I don’t want to wonder if something comes out at 300 yards if I have enough juice. Any suggestions ?

[@joshjennings9140]

Sig cross Vs. Springfield waypoint, which would you choose?

[@backfire]

Waypoint

[@TheJimbo76239]

Short action ultra magnum saum please 🙏

[@US2A]

Wasn't expecting raid lol

[@feuerland81]

The ELD-X seems to me like it just desintagrates with little penatration. Not what I would call an optimal result for hunting purposes! Would love to see those same carthridges with nice high quality hunting bullets. Otherwise, I have to say, I am really hyped about the PRC carthridges in general. I want one! Nice vid!

[@Sean-pw3yr]

I’ve had disappointing results with the eld-x when hunting. Same with Barnes and HH. I went back to my Berger Hybrids and haven’t looked back.

[@waynemensen4252]

Barnes coppers have killed everything I've shot at for 30 yrs. Except, one hog with a 223, but I was having issues with my IR scope at that time.

[@shootingatshadow]

Yeah we have not had good results with the ELD-X bullets for hunting. Shallow wounds, especially at higher velocity impacts. I really like the Nosler ABLR.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@shootingatshadow I really want to try the 168 ABLR in my .308 at roughly 2650fps. At velocities around that, how's your luck been with them?

[@shootingatshadow]

@@marcmoore4115 excellent. I've used the 142gr in 6.5 PRC as well. I just took a moose in BC with the 175gr out of a 28 Nosler. Perfect mushroom, one piece. I'm interested in weighing it when I get home

[@jjdewet4406]

When do you review the zerotech scope

[@DDay336]

I worked up a load for my .30-06, but can't find more ELD-X bullets ANYWHERE! 😞