Battlefield Sword Fighting Vs Fencing: Hutton's "How to Fight an Uncivilised Enemy"!

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10 ай бұрын

In the age of colonialism there was a clash of technology and cultures on the battlefield. Towards the end of the 19th century authors like Captain Alfred Hutton sought to make swordsmanship more suitable for the battlefield. This mindset would result in the combatives seen in WW1 and WW2. The lesson contained in this video was originally recorded for the Dreynevent, hosted on Dreynschlag Channel: • MATT EASTON - Battlefi...
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@PalleRasmussen
@PalleRasmussen 10 ай бұрын
I like how we say of Hutton's age that they dismissed everything before them, and basically gave the Middle Ages a bad rep. Meanwhile Hutton is looking at Medieval and Renaissance manuals to become better swordsmen.
@EuanPABrown
@EuanPABrown 9 ай бұрын
I'm sure I read/heard somewhere that the British view of the Choora as a chopping/cutting weapon was a form of selection bias. Doctors were treating cut wounds, but not stab wounds and so assumed it was a cutting weapon. However anybody stabbed by a choora was going straight to the burial detail and not being seen or recorded by the Doctors.
@volodymyrwolodymyriv7150
@volodymyrwolodymyriv7150 26 күн бұрын
It happened before. Survivor's mistake.
@darthhodges
@darthhodges 10 ай бұрын
You could say they are recognizing that you can't expect your opponent in war to fight you on your terms. Therefore you must adapt how you fight (whether individually or as a whole army) to the war you're in. Not doing this has lost many a war over the course of history.
@dashcammer4322
@dashcammer4322 10 ай бұрын
Annoyingly, the enemy also gets a say in how any battle progresses.
@feudist
@feudist 10 ай бұрын
The US military recognized this after Vietnam. The Air Force instituted "Dissimilar Air Combat" training using jets that had performance envelopes closer to Migs. The Army created the incredibly elaborate National Training Center, where an entire military unit was trained to fight according to Soviet doctrine and act as a freestyle opposing force for visiting units.
@matthewlawrence7056
@matthewlawrence7056 10 ай бұрын
This was a great video, there are some rough contemporary spanish sources. A few decades before Hutton but Jaime Merelo y Casademunt's treatise on the saber addresses this topic! In his book he delivers his fundamentals of saber fencing but he goes on to have 3 interesting sections at the end of his treatise. He covers the spanish sword/foil vs saber , he covers the saber vs bayonet, and finally the saber vs short weapons mentioning the Spanish experiences in North Africa and the Philippine Archipelago. He has a series of rules he lays out and mentions how he would fence with shorter weapons so that a student would know what strategies would be employed against them. He also mentions that grappling is an essential part and that its something best learned in the salle rather than in a book. Similarly Maestro Roman Punzalan Zapata covers his take on the spanish sword vs machetes, lances, and knives.
@wildyracing1
@wildyracing1 10 ай бұрын
Great information! Any youtube video showcasing the Spaniard's take of battlefield use of the saber? It will be much appreciated! Or Mr. Easton is welcome to create one. :)
@JeremyRoyaux
@JeremyRoyaux 10 ай бұрын
Very good point. I'm currently reading the book you are talking about (the english translation by Jakelsy). The part talking about knifes is interesting. Too bad it's a bit short. I was planning a class with my students about it (i teach military saber from Roworth mainly, and a bit of Merelo atm). Some parts are a bit too incomplete : he says for exemple to use your offhand for parrying, but does not explain how. I was planning to fill the void with a few krav maga / self defense techniques because that's something i know, but i'm also trying to find other knife fighting sources at the moment. If you got any pointers, feel free to share :) I'll look up that Punzalan dude ;)
@matthewlawrence7056
@matthewlawrence7056 10 ай бұрын
@@JeremyRoyaux I’ve experimented with it but it comes with my background with other things and isn’t necessarily what Merelo intended which is just how interpretation works with HEMA lol we have separate baggage to Merelo. Imo I wouldn’t over think it. Punzalan Zapata isn’t in English (well I have a semi edited translation I’ve done) but I can share the bits on dissimilar weapons.
@matthewlawrence7056
@matthewlawrence7056 10 ай бұрын
@@wildyracing1 I don’t think so, I could give it a go at creating one but it might be a little bit. Would need to bug a friend or two and refresh my knowledge on his specific advice.
@wildyracing1
@wildyracing1 10 ай бұрын
@@matthewlawrence7056 That sounds great! Keep my fingers crossed to see it.
@JustGrowingUp84
@JustGrowingUp84 10 ай бұрын
I love it that you guys also used full speed in demonstrations! Yes, use slower movements and pauses to clearly explain the technique, but also show how it might look in actual use, preferably against a resisting opponent!
@Pupcan
@Pupcan 28 күн бұрын
Hello, Mr. Easton. A friend of mine directed me towards this particular video of yours, and I appreciate how you show the techniques first in slow motion several times, THEN at the chaotic full-speed several times. (Your method of HOW to educate viewers is as worthwhile as the subject matter.) Second, at around 08:50 minutes, you said, "In some cases, these things will just HAPPEN over the course of the fight." I agree! There are times in aikido classes where any student might be thinking, "Why are we practicing these elaborate, precise movements in class when IRL the odds of us contorting a chaotic mugger into this configuration is between slim and none when it's all coming at us too fast?" Some aikido techniques are more akin to: if we practice it enough times over enough years, eventually we recognize in a split-second when the assailant is in the proper position for us to use the technique. If we had scoffed at learning the technique and hadn't practiced it, the opportunities wouldn't be visible or available to us in the middle of a flurry of violence. Your mentioning of, "In some cases, these things will just HAPPEN over the course of the fight," strongly brought that to mind.
@braddbradd5671
@braddbradd5671 10 ай бұрын
Its good that Hutton combined other martial arts with it
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 10 ай бұрын
Excellent. Great presentation. I love the "practical application" aspect of this. Thank you very much. Top quality demonstration and explanation. Cheers!
@williambreazeal387
@williambreazeal387 10 ай бұрын
I think this would be a pretty difficult situation for the swordsman without a shield. These seem more like emergency techniques where you’re hoping the enemy over commits on the cut. I don’t think they are invalid, more like you’re trying to make the best of a bad situation.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
I don't really disagree, the swordsman with a shield has an advantage (well if you ignore revolvers and pistols). But the moment you get a good grab on their sword arm, the advantage now swings to the sabreur. Once grabbed, the shield guy is in big trouble.
@markthomason9723
@markthomason9723 10 ай бұрын
I especially enjoyed discussion of use of the pommel, and the apparent tradeoff between the fastest possible instant response vs the option of a slightly slower but likely more deadly strike, either point or more devastating cut.
@vostrosablin
@vostrosablin 10 ай бұрын
many different grips in the shinkage-ryu marobashikai where the interaction of two opponents dressed in armor is considered. therefore, they do not cut with a sword, but use it to overcome the distance and various ways of knocking an opponent to the ground. At the same time, both the impact of the sword of the performer of the technique on the body of the opponent along its weak vectors and lines, as well as various kinds of levers and tacks are used. in fact, this is a technical analogue of European fencing books on the theme of a two-handed or one and a half sword, but in the form of a living tradition and not speculative reconstructions
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
That's great. Do they spar and compete?
@vostrosablin
@vostrosablin 10 ай бұрын
@@scholagladiatoria is a traditional Japanese school of old martial arts. As a rule, sparring and competitions are not held in such schools. The documents of the school contain information that once such a practice took place. At present, in Japan, the technique is studied by the method of formal kata repetitions. Unlike the Japanese, I do randori (free fights) with my comrades.
@bjorntrollgesicht1144
@bjorntrollgesicht1144 10 ай бұрын
Hey, we did the exact same thing with Marozzo, Fiore and Leckuchner. I recognize those movements and actions. Grab, twist and strike.
@koljya
@koljya 10 ай бұрын
Both the footwork as well as the sickle-like motions of those defences bear a striking resemblance to Okinawa-style Karate. I am thinking of Uechi Ryu or Gojo Ryu . Great video, cheers🙂
@ScarabaeusSacer435
@ScarabaeusSacer435 10 ай бұрын
Very interesting as always. I am always surprised to hear the Khyber Knife was primarily a cutting weapon, but you have mentioned British army medical reports confirming this in one of your earlier videos. The ones I have handled have a rigid spine and would make powerful thrusting weapons; I wonder if those records have survivorship bias-- the soldiers who were stabbed instead of slashed didn't make it to the doctor?
@uncletiggermclaren7592
@uncletiggermclaren7592 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, pretty obviously the Tribesmen didn't decline the opportunity "Well, I COULD have stabbed him in the armpit before he had fully turn to me, but this is a slashing weapon it says so in ALL of the literature after all, there were Foreigners watching, wouldn't want them to think I was a noob".
@vroomkaboom108
@vroomkaboom108 9 ай бұрын
That's exactly what i thought since triangular make unstichable wounds, imagine a spined knife of that size! Only way you could possibly survive an encounter with it is by being slashed!
@RiverofGrassFencing
@RiverofGrassFencing 9 ай бұрын
Late reply of course but some were used for thrusting, but that is a quality difference of the weapon in question, a lot of the cheaper knives would be “soft”
@MarcusVance
@MarcusVance 10 ай бұрын
I gotta read more of these books
@wowismygame
@wowismygame 10 ай бұрын
The original video was very well presented. I love the demonstrations of "battlefield fencing" involving grappling and free hand manipulations!
@tando6266
@tando6266 10 ай бұрын
Great video, one critique is that its very obvious the "attacker" is not putting full force into the swing. With forward momentum on a swing they should easily be pushing the blocking blade, but in all these videos the attackers blade stops basically dead as soon as it makes contact with the attackers sword. This would definitely change some of these subtly as the 'defenders' balance will be different by trying to hold back the momentum of the 'attackers' sabre.
@chaimafaghet7343
@chaimafaghet7343 10 ай бұрын
These aren't heavy swords and the opponent is likely a small brown tribal person, so probably perfectly valid.
@Wolf-Wolfman
@Wolf-Wolfman 10 ай бұрын
I disagree. The 'attacker' is performing full force cuts. Properly executed parries with a sabre will stop the hardest hits. If you parry with the weak of the blade then certainly the blade can be pushed but parries using the forte are rock solid.
@derigel7662
@derigel7662 10 ай бұрын
@@chaimafaghet7343 valid.....till they still lost their empire to "small brown tribal people" lol
@chaimafaghet7343
@chaimafaghet7343 10 ай бұрын
@@derigel7662 Their empire was lost to international finance. The browns didn't do shit.
@derigel7662
@derigel7662 10 ай бұрын
@@chaimafaghet7343 wow thats racist as shit ty imma report that
@jamespuckett9753
@jamespuckett9753 10 ай бұрын
Probably not useful in my daily life, but very enjoyable. Changes in any system after analysis are always fun to me. Since there is currently very little growth in swordmanship from use, I sometimes get the idea that what I see presented was BEST, rather than another stage in development. Thanks for this.
@allengordon6929
@allengordon6929 10 ай бұрын
I disagree that all european martial arts held the bucklers at arm's length exclusively. Marrozzo himself says it's ideal but not strictly neccessary. Also most brassards (anti-grappling tournament armor that locks the arm in place) have the arms at a half-bend. In addition, KDF and non i.33 sword and buckler has the buckler as close as the indian fencer in the dreyschlang video as a resting guard, only going further as a reactive response (bucklers are a reactive defense after all).
@tiltskillet7085
@tiltskillet7085 10 ай бұрын
Easton didn't use the words "all European Martial Arts" or "exclusively" and IMO they weren't implied.
@ivanharlokin
@ivanharlokin 10 ай бұрын
You are disagreeing with a strawman argument, that Matt didn't make. Congrats to you and the dittoheads that upvoted your comment.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
I didn't say they did 😊
@thomaswilkinson3241
@thomaswilkinson3241 10 ай бұрын
I watched this when it premiered during Dreynevent. Thank you for bringing it up again. This is simply great.
@yantoshscollon9394
@yantoshscollon9394 10 ай бұрын
thanks Matt, been hunting for this for weeks
@williammashtalier479
@williammashtalier479 10 ай бұрын
This is an incredible video! More of this Matt! If you want to break down sword systems in this way, (commentary over video examples) I would want to watch as many videos of that as you could make!
@ChonkedaDevil
@ChonkedaDevil 10 ай бұрын
Fantastic video! Great analysis; thank you.
@mtgAzim
@mtgAzim 10 ай бұрын
That was all really interesting, thank you for making that available to us! ^_^
@Cre8sumthing
@Cre8sumthing 10 ай бұрын
Matt Easton, you're the best. Thank you for your earnest dedication.
@allanburt5250
@allanburt5250 10 ай бұрын
Thanks Matt I enjoyed that one. I can imagine that being very useful to young gentleman and when reading historical accounts of battles I can see how this instruction was used .
@fmsyntheses
@fmsyntheses 10 ай бұрын
Fascinating and important work.
@tedblackburn8679
@tedblackburn8679 10 ай бұрын
Great video. Very informative. ⚔
@johng1097
@johng1097 10 ай бұрын
GREAT video - more like please ! I look forward to part 2 where you talk about the better alternatives you alluded to.
@alexandremenard3833
@alexandremenard3833 9 ай бұрын
That was a really interesting video! Thanks Matt! Lots of what I see here is similar to the way we do fencing in Quebec's Scrimicie
@flamandbenoit7247
@flamandbenoit7247 10 ай бұрын
incredible, thanks for the opportunity to copy and work around
@imeditatetorelax1584
@imeditatetorelax1584 9 күн бұрын
Awesome video; very interesting. It would be awesome if you expanded and showed modern-day options for these types of attacks.
@user-bo7yp8lc6j
@user-bo7yp8lc6j 10 ай бұрын
Matt Easton, you're the best. Thank you for your earnest dedication.. Its good that Hutton combined other martial arts with it.
@Dannil1
@Dannil1 10 ай бұрын
I feel so grateful for your content great stuff, I will try to incorporate these techniques with my combatives, thank you.
@Eagle-eye-pie
@Eagle-eye-pie 10 ай бұрын
Fascinating video. Interesting to hear about guys still developing combat styles right up until the weapons become obsolete.
@ramibairi5562
@ramibairi5562 10 ай бұрын
Matt you're a legend ❤
@deamoncastle5584
@deamoncastle5584 9 ай бұрын
This improves my faith and love for HEMA. Thank you for covering this, Mr. Easton. I anticipate more coverage of this topic with electric enthusiasm.
@ryanmckenzie5918
@ryanmckenzie5918 10 ай бұрын
Amazing stuff! I was always amazed at Hutton's research into older swordplay. Is it too much to call him the "Father of HEMA"? Love the practical demonstrations.
@mgreen1003
@mgreen1003 10 ай бұрын
Dude this was awesome!
@MajiSylvamain
@MajiSylvamain 10 ай бұрын
You have no idea, how helpful this video is with some fight sceans I've been struggling to write... ❤ You channel 😺🐈👍.
@ws1435
@ws1435 9 ай бұрын
Intriguing. I'm Fascinated by sword work. Liked it!
@hadfordperformancetraining3411
@hadfordperformancetraining3411 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video, we are working on alot of these movments currently with my group, grapples are a very fun technique and should be used more often I think in sparring and tournaments.
@-RONNIE
@-RONNIE 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video it was very informative and entertaining ⚔️
@RiverofGrassFencing
@RiverofGrassFencing 10 ай бұрын
Lovely presentation, we are working with a local Scottish broadsword school due to similar interests. Your mate was cutting a bit more in the European fashion which I suppose is fine for the demonstration. But it would be cool to see it done more from the shoulder while spilling forwards. It might actually make the advice a bit more advantageous actually
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
That's a very fair comment
@rogerwilliams2629
@rogerwilliams2629 4 ай бұрын
I started Judo in 1967 and taught it for a couple of decades, I see all kinds of foot sweeps available., I wonder if anyone in HEMA utilize this art?
@user-ie1ij9nr7e
@user-ie1ij9nr7e 4 ай бұрын
These videos are awesome! It's cool to know more about swordsmanship. I don't want to just go to my nearby hema class and only learn about long sword.
@bluesdad54
@bluesdad54 10 ай бұрын
What an excellent video. Thank you so much, Matt. It is fascinating to see how swords were really used in relatable battle. I'm sorry, I love the medieval content you do, but this more modern look was just great.
@fmsyntheses
@fmsyntheses 10 ай бұрын
Modern swordsmanship is more interesting than ancient or medieval swordsmanship, at least in a military context. They were generally far more martial contests, and far more bloody and lethal, since armor and shields were seldom used in the modern era. Swords before the modern era are mostly just tools to accomplish some kind of specialized purpose.
@archaicanarch5567
@archaicanarch5567 10 ай бұрын
I googled "battlefield sabre techniques" yesterday and was met with a dearth of practical info. A lotta "light saber" nonsense. Yeah. Anyway, saw a Scholagladiatoria notification this afternoon and, lo! Ask and yea shall receive. Thanks, Matt!
@cmikles1
@cmikles1 10 ай бұрын
And remember to always restomp that groin.
@petar.dj98
@petar.dj98 10 ай бұрын
Does the person with the buckler have an advantage if they are equally skilled?
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
Basically yes, which is why if you're armed with a sword and revolver, once the revolver is empty and you still have opponents, you have to train specific techniques to try and even the balance.
@Sk0lzky
@Sk0lzky 10 ай бұрын
Onlineschlag event was amazing, hope I wish wish they continued the project even though lockdowns are over
@richard6133
@richard6133 10 ай бұрын
It kind of reminded me of some of the ideas that I saw in a demonstration of the Shawnee (Native American tribe) martial arts. Seizing with the off hand, grapples, using the tomahawk to first hook and then coming back around to strike with it.
@TheHorzabora
@TheHorzabora 10 ай бұрын
This is a very well written and presented video, at least from my perspective. I like to consider myself a quick learner, but I have very limited experience with HEMA, most of it in longsword and basic European sabre and I found the information contained within easy to understand and - if I wished - implement to start learning these techniques. Which, as an aside, strike me as eminently practical, particularly given the role of an officer in combat of the period and the likely opponents. Someone else commented that these seemed like desperation moves, as a buckler armed opponent has a considerable advantage, and I would somewhat agree - but the shield / blade armed swordsman has to reach engagement range through firearm fire, making these situations either applicable in surprise engagements, or in the closing elements of more conventional engagements - at least, I would assume that, without knowledge of the Afghan war of the day - and those situations are by their nature desperate and bloody.
@theeddorian
@theeddorian 10 ай бұрын
There is, or used to be, a YT clip of an Indian martial artist using a sword (tulwar) and a spiked buckler. The buckler was employed as a stabbing weapon, punching the opponent with the spike, while the swords were bound.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
Yes that would certainly make the buckler more dangerous, though once the sword arm is grabbed, the free sword is still going to be cutting and stabbing a lot, and is more agile than a buckler.
@theeddorian
@theeddorian 10 ай бұрын
​@@scholagladiatoria I can't find the clip, which is frustrating. I recall what struck me - no pun intended - was that the sword was employed as a very dangerous distraction that had to be honored, while the buckler was revealed to be the threat that finished the match.
@Wolf-Wolfman
@Wolf-Wolfman 10 ай бұрын
Fantastic!
@edwardbirdsall6580
@edwardbirdsall6580 10 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this video.
@stephengarrett8076
@stephengarrett8076 10 ай бұрын
Outstanding!!!!!
@user-vd7pn8le7t
@user-vd7pn8le7t 10 ай бұрын
As someone who practice sabers, that use hammer grip and blows with power of whole arm I can say that paring powerful strikes with lite saber and a this gentle grip is much difficult than it looks
@ScarabaeusSacer435
@ScarabaeusSacer435 10 ай бұрын
Matt, with your extensive reading, experimentation, and experience the HEMA world would greatly benefit from you authoring some kind of fighting manual in modern language-- not so much a history lesson as a practical textbook. A separate volume describing and summarizing historical sources techniques would also be extremely interesting. Edit: while I’m planning out your time for you, please make something that doesn’t look like crap on a kindle.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
I don't really feel qualified to. I feel like the older I get, the more I find I don't know.
@ScarabaeusSacer435
@ScarabaeusSacer435 10 ай бұрын
@@scholagladiatoria Well, this is perhaps a case of knowing too much: how does one select the very best approach out of all the old treatises, and what about the source materials you haven't read and will likely never read? Analysis paralysis. What if you lowered the bar a bit though: from Fiore to Hollywood? Instead of a Magnum Opus, what would you write if you only had 30 pages to keep someone alive... or only 10 pages... or only 3 pages? Finally, let out a sigh of relief when you realize that you're not actually responsible for keeping anyone alive, because no one these days walks around wearing a sword expecting to settle a dispute with another so armed. Rather, your primary audience is likely people who own some wall hangers and maybe cut a few water bottles on occasion, but otherwise draw a complete blank when they hold a sword and would like to have some idea of how to go about thinking about how to use it. Either the book is intriguing enough to get them to join a HEMA school, or it's a fascinating glimpse; both outcomes are a success. Mull it over, anyways.
@metwelve12
@metwelve12 10 ай бұрын
@@scholagladiatoria, age is corrosive. You have a wonderful store of knowledge and experience and it would be a shame if a lifetimes work is lost after you pass on. Better to get it down on paper now than to wait until your declining years. Besides, all the greats wrote books. Without them there would be no HEMA. Join the Great Conversation and help progress the art.
@malkomalkavian
@malkomalkavian 9 ай бұрын
You know more than I do :)
@dmills5755
@dmills5755 9 ай бұрын
Reminds me of the movie Rob Roy, the dueling scene at the end, saber versus rapier.
@j.f.fisher5318
@j.f.fisher5318 10 ай бұрын
It's "top gun" training (dissimilar combat training) for swords.
@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan
@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for another great video, this was the video I was looking for when I found the video where you talk about pistol. This is exactly what I was after and answers very well some thought and questions I was having in my own mind. I was interested you mention a French system that includes the use of the scabbard, as this was also a train of thought I was having in my mind, could you name the source so I can find it. Interesting what you said about small sword and 133. I will get hold of these. As I am realy more interested in the use of Saber on the battlefield, as like you said combative. Going to try this out with a friend. Thanks again for the Great insight. Dan.
@oliverlorenz8733
@oliverlorenz8733 10 ай бұрын
This is very interresting. I looked for one of the books and found one on eBay.👍 Regards from Limburg, Germany.
@realtachyon
@realtachyon 2 ай бұрын
Excellent info. Not sure if you have already covered “khukri” but would love to learn more about its origins. ❤
@edi9892
@edi9892 10 ай бұрын
I'd love to see the reaction video of a HEMA guy specialised in renaissance techniques.
@tombearclaw
@tombearclaw 10 ай бұрын
Indiana Jones knows how to end a swordsman quickly
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
In fact this of course was the main recourse of British officers, with 5 and 6 shot revolvers... but in war those 5 or 6 shots would be gone fairly quickly and with multiple enemies the sword does not run out of ammo.
@HebigamiShinobi
@HebigamiShinobi 9 ай бұрын
Not to disparage this at all - these are effective techniques - but this kind of parry followed by open hand grappling and then counterattacking are techniques I was taught in the first year of studying Eskrima. Because Eskrima swordsmanship involves mainly short swords and knives (there is some saber), grappling the enemy's limbs is very common, very fast, and usually results in a quick exchanges of grapples, counter-grapples, close range strikes or other similar maneuvers (including a lot of open hand blade deflection against the flat of the blade, or outright grasping - usually the false edge). Considering that Eskrima was influenced by Spanish swordsmanship, it's not surprising. but nice to see the same ideas appearing/being discovered elsewhere. Eskrima continues to develop to this day alongside modern weapons (in other words, firearms) and if you know the roots and can follow along the development paths of its various schools, you can find a lot of history in there.
@kveitehitmaker6316
@kveitehitmaker6316 9 ай бұрын
Again, tshirts of greatness! Do you have any bad ones? No!
@ulflidsman3064
@ulflidsman3064 9 ай бұрын
What I find interesting is that the ability to use the hand seems more advantageous than to have a buckler.
@danielmcelroy8533
@danielmcelroy8533 10 ай бұрын
Fantastic presentation. Did they include any moves or drills with a pistol still being drawn as well?
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
Not in this manual, but it is touched on in a few others.
@Nastymann1
@Nastymann1 3 ай бұрын
Hey Matt, big fan of your channel! I was wondering if the preference for primarily 'cutting' weapons on the battlefield like the saber, the katana etc. can be explained because of the tendency of stabbing weapons like the rapier getting stuck in the body of the opponent. There are witness accounts from the first world war where bayonets stabbed between the ribs got stuck when the opponent fell to the floor and apparently even stabbing someone in the lower belly can lead to a contraction of the abdominal muscles and prevent the weapon from being withdrawn. Not much of an issue in a one-on-one confrontation but quite a nuisance when facing multiple opponents. Is there any historical support to this theory? Thanks in advance for your answer and effort and I look forward to your next video, preferably on the Dutch colonial klewang.
@tsafa
@tsafa 10 ай бұрын
Nice Wrap at 7:24 followed by a draw. Amazing how practical it is even with a saber. It will also work to the back of leg to hamstring somebody. People who have never executed any of these cuts are going to come along and say it's not a wrap. Unless you regularly use back edge cuts you don't know what a wrap is and how flexible and versatile it is. 7:24 " inspired by earlier sources" 🙂
@toulminbrown9166
@toulminbrown9166 9 ай бұрын
The wars between the Danish vs North English were the earliest example of the behind the knee or leg attacking technique as far as I have heard of. The protection armour, interlocking chain armour, was vulnerable to the early Danes. The mercilessly aggressive Danish were trouble. This period was within the 13th, 14th century.
@sirbobulous
@sirbobulous 10 ай бұрын
How much do you find people successfully grab someone's sword arm when they spar? Not performing a drill but in spontaneous sparring practice?
@roberth721
@roberth721 10 ай бұрын
More techniques to add to my toolkit, yippee!
@allengordon6929
@allengordon6929 10 ай бұрын
Behold, the origin of all modern military martial arts!
@David-ns4ym
@David-ns4ym 8 ай бұрын
Rob Roy movie shows I think well what a dandy can do. It’s one of the best sword fighting scenes in all movies. Lots of contemporaries might look at him and laugh. But he was a rock star of the day and lethal. They practiced daily for hours and they fought dirty. Grappling an equal is one thing. But someone like a master would not allow you to close without obliging you with serious injury or death. Also if it’s life or death the stakes and mistakes are many. To remain calm in those situations is where the training comes in.
@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302
@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 10 ай бұрын
You were saying that the prevailing use of polwa [?] was for a chopping blow. I was wondering if the prevailing technique was more of a slicing manoeuvre as part of a larger combination of blows?
@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302
@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 10 ай бұрын
Or am I being too pedantic here?
@bskorupk
@bskorupk 10 ай бұрын
I wonder if the French sabre manual involving scabbard-parries has anything to do with the French involvement in the Boshin War? Do Vietnamese and Chinese swordsmanship involve scabbard-parrying?
@user-gh9ss2ri8m
@user-gh9ss2ri8m 9 ай бұрын
What manner of cleaning and oiling regiment do you suppose warriors who brandished swords had to have undergone for proper maintenance of their blades?
@carrdoug99
@carrdoug99 3 ай бұрын
A major flaw in the instruction is that when you step in to grab your opponent's sword arm, they will almost certainly continue to step to the left, and at the same deliver a hard punch to the face with their buckler.
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 10 ай бұрын
Very interesting vid - showing once again why context makes for better understanding of our shared world-history! 👍🏻 More often than not, however, the terminology of swordsmanship can lead to raised eyebrows: Like when we combine swordplay with "an appendix of the rear" (😳); How to pass the "Dutchie" on the lefthand side… And don’t get me started on "Fingering the Guard"! I’m sorry; but the jokes are pretty much writing themselves at this point… 😁
@user-bj5xr5ju4n
@user-bj5xr5ju4n 10 ай бұрын
im wondering why using an offhand combat knife along with the saber is not included in the combat manuals. probably most soldiers carried a knife and we know that e.g. spanish fencers frequently used daggers in conjunction with their rapiers for great effect.
@agogecoach8790
@agogecoach8790 10 ай бұрын
Interesting material. Matt you mentioned that you think there are better sources to draw from than Silver for this- it would be interesting to see you expound.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
Yes that could be an interesting topic to cover. I don't think Silver's grips and closes are bad, but these sorts of techniques are given more attention and shown with pictures in other sources which Hutton simply didn't have access to. For example Lecküchner or lots of rapier sources.
@jf5078
@jf5078 9 ай бұрын
Don't the Bolognese sources contain grips? I think Hutton had access to Bologness sources or at least Marozzos work. Also don't the Stage Gladiator sources also touch on grips a little? Lekuchner is a cool source but it's bloated with some pretty impractical stuff. Silver even though lacking pics is much more straightforward and practical imo.
@johnfrewin7717
@johnfrewin7717 9 ай бұрын
Just a thought...is there any reference to greasing the wrist or otherwise making the wrist grab harder?
@MarcRitzMD
@MarcRitzMD 10 ай бұрын
That head is nicely shaved and polished. Customers will know you maintain your blades well
@DanTrueHistory
@DanTrueHistory 10 ай бұрын
A lot of this looks a lot like medieval langesmesser. I love it :)
@brotherandythesage
@brotherandythesage 10 ай бұрын
Wow! How often would soldiers be one on one like this as opposed to a formation?
@Baron-Ortega
@Baron-Ortega 10 ай бұрын
One observation I had as a layman is the European swordsman would have to be wary of being bashed and stunned by the other swordsman with his buckler or shield?
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
Yes, but that's why the grabs are so effective - the grab enables you to use your sword freely on the enemy. So they could bash you with the buckler, but they are going to end up dead from being stabbed at the same time.
@braddbradd5671
@braddbradd5671 10 ай бұрын
Schol i used to do Kung Fu years ago and it was mainly unarmed combat but there were weapons training when you get higher up .They told me to get the unarmed combat right before you go onto weapons training because you can just substitute your empty hand with a weapon is that true ..Could this also be true in Europe 100s of years ago maybe with kids ?Edit :: Is this also true today should you do some martial arts like Fung Fu the basics before you go onto weapons training ..I think you did this right ?
@bitesyerlegs
@bitesyerlegs 10 ай бұрын
Thanks
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@PhuzzPhactor
@PhuzzPhactor 10 ай бұрын
Awesome
@pedroweisheimer6112
@pedroweisheimer6112 10 ай бұрын
Genuine question: why didn't troops (or rather officers) of 19th century powers carry shields (or shields) for these close combat occasions? Depending on the size or shape, it would not preclude the use of a revolver (either because it is a small shield or because it is attached to the arm) and would give an advantage (or at least mitigate a disadvantage) in these direct combat scenarios (at least in theory).
@derigel7662
@derigel7662 10 ай бұрын
the use of guns became more and more present......real hard to block a bullet, better to be faster and more mobile or just carry a gun also
@elijahoconnell
@elijahoconnell 10 ай бұрын
i quite like to have a bind established with their sword on the right side of mine (held in my right hand, theres in their right hand), letting my sword then rotate along their on that connection point. my sword is now in prim with the point down and their sword is on the left of mine. i grab their wrist, slide the guard to their fort, and then push against the fort. the group should come out of their hand from the pinky first. if it doesn’t work, you can still stab them or whatever.
@jameslecka8085
@jameslecka8085 10 ай бұрын
The tank general, General Patton, had a looong career. He started as a cavalry officer. Designed the last official for combat use sword. Held the unique title "Master of the Sword". Bronze in the Olympics. I heard a rumor of a short manual for cavalry by him from this time before WWI but can't research this point. I have seen a return showing 40,000 of this pattern sword in the far east in 1940: 18,000 cut down and issued as machetes in the Philippines.
@S.A.M.S.2017
@S.A.M.S.2017 9 ай бұрын
Patton wrote an official manual in 1914 and also published his "Diary of an instructor in Swordsmanship"
@jameslecka8085
@jameslecka8085 9 ай бұрын
Thank You!@@S.A.M.S.2017
@haynesdevon0
@haynesdevon0 10 ай бұрын
Like how when they're going full contact the shield user doesn't just let himself be manipulated. You can see he struggles when his arm is grabbed and uses the shield to evercome and block the counter several times. Vary good techniques.
@Sir-Cyr_Rill-Nil-Mill
@Sir-Cyr_Rill-Nil-Mill 10 ай бұрын
_The Dread Crochet_ please write this book.
@szancso79
@szancso79 8 ай бұрын
We do unarmoured sparring on a weekly bases with blunt olimpic fencing sabres usually towards to the end of our regural HEMA session. I would say one needs huge balls to attempt a wrist grab / grip in a situation where sharps and no armour involved. Great video though.
@battlereed4708
@battlereed4708 10 ай бұрын
The offhand weapon passes remind me of what I have been taught in FMA work. Very good video
@nilsd2112
@nilsd2112 10 ай бұрын
All the arm trapping in the first moveset is really similar to basic chinese dao moves
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 10 ай бұрын
Yes, a lot of these techniques are found all over the world across several centuries.
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