Battlestar Pegasus vs 6 Basestars Using Zero Vipers Battlestar Galactica Deadlock

Battlestar Pegasus takes on 6 basestars without using any vipers. This is what Lee should've done if he was a half decent commander.

[@MRCruise24]

Confirming what every fan of the series already knows, Lee made the single most idiotic strategic decision in the entire show!😢

[@shepherdlavellen3301]

Wasn't the only thing he destroyed, there's also his dad's viper (lost a wing in mini series), the Olympic Carrier and the Blackbird (on its second sortie no less), Lee is more of a CAG and a politician than decent pilot or commander

[@SteelWalrus]

@@shepherdlavellen3301 In fairness to Lee, I think he knew that, especially towards the end.

[@shepherdlavellen3301]

​@@SteelWalrusgood thing Cylons didn't give him the rebel basestar after Athena shot Natalie, guess they do have a plan

[@TemplarGamer56]

To be fair he had to make the sacrifice so galactic could escape with those on new caprica . The admiral was on board . Also he was not a trained battlestar commander and was unseasoned . He went from cat to commander . Way too large of a jump .

[@manwiththeredface7821]

1. I used to blame Lee too but would you trust Tom Cruise's Maverick to command a freaking aircraft carrier (and do it well)? I wouldn't even trust the writers' favourite (Starbuck) to do so (even on the Demetrius all hell broke loose and one officer lost a leg). 2. This was a sign that humans were not only losing numbers and tech but invaluable knowledge and experience too. Officers of the Pegasus (morally corrupt but experienced) died left and right without proper replacements until a freaking CAG from Galacticahad to be put in charge. 3. Blame the writers and the studio. The studio made the idiotic decision that having sets for both battlestars was too expensive and the writers made the idiotic decision to write Pegasus out in a way that would put the blame on Lee. Yes, the Pegasus could have been saved but no one really cared to write a tactically sound scenario where it couldn't have been saved.

[@CrazyChemistPL]

One small potentially redeeming factor for Lee is that he didn't have nearly the full crew so Pegasus was unable to operate at peak efficiency as it presumably was able in the video.

[@tophercaesar5375]

Pegasus was highly automated. The weapon systems especially. Not like the galactica with people in each turret. There was little excuse to lose the Beast like he did

[@CrazyChemistPL]

@@tophercaesar5375 Damage control parties. You cannot really automate that.

[@michaeltward2859]

@@tophercaesar5375 I think the issue was he fought with the intention to save Galactica vs fighting to win the fight and come out alive. If he had fought with the intention to keep Pegasus the chances that it would have come out the other side was high, and it would have been an interesting shift for the series having Adama survive but Galactica fall to save the people and then Pegasus takes up the mantle.

[@nerobernardino88]

@@michaeltward2859 Hell, it's a nonzero chance that he would've managed to save Galactica without losing Pegasus.

[@n5syr01]

Cylons, never getting very creative. 6 base stars vs 1 Mercury class battlestar w/zero fighters. Position one base star port forward, starboard forward, port and starboard aft, one on her ventral side, and one below. Swarm raiders, and incessantly pound the hell out of her. Go all in at once, not piecemeal like a cheap kung fu movie where everyone comes in one at a time and gets their asses kicked.

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

This is what any smart player would do given the situation *and* Basestars' OP ability to do a tactical jump. Unfortunately, the AI in this game is kind of braindead.

[@rybsmith]

Human controlled basestars would have won that fight handily.

[@deathstrike]

I always wondered since the only Battlestar of the Mercury Class that we have seen in movies, was Admiral Helena Cain's own ship, the Pegasus. Did the Mercury Class also have pinpoint jump capability? We know that Pegasus has the most advanced computer systems and networks short of an AI (still forbidden). But I've wondered due to Helena Cain's own spotty morality, if Pegasus could have either had a basic AI installed, or even had stolen a Cylon Computer Node? And reverse engineered it? They could have achieved a pinpoint jump capability to dive right between a vanguard of Cylon ships and overwhelm them. If they could have, it would have given the Mercury Class an incredible advantage over the Cylons ,as their philosophy is "strike with huge numbers." Cylons seem to lack a fundamental "finesse" in combat. While the Colonials seemed to enjoy a greater flexibility of thought and actually give the more advanced Cylon ships a run for their money. A "strike hard, strike fast, strike first" ability to Colonial Ships that could have changed the tide of the war.

[@gravis2000]

Well in the series finally of BattleStar Galactica, The Galactica jumped right in front of the Cylon Colony. The ship was much older so if they could do it you can imagine the Pegasus could as well. It was a little weak that one jump put them in front of the Cylons and the next "last" jump took them to Earth after 2 years of flying in Space but.....

[@jakeg3733]

Provided you know where you want to go, it's implied that you could jump any colonial or cylon ship to that spot with pinpoint accuracy _if_ the guy plotting the jump knew what they were doing. The cylons had greater FTL range because their ability to calculate safe jumps was better (they are computers after all), but that's what the red line is... maximum range for computing a jump, not actually executing one. I think it's safe to say that since Pegasus has more advanced computers she'd be even more accurate in plotting jumps with scary precision. There does seem to be some randomness involved, we see multiple mis-jumps in the show (usually from raptors). Jumping inside of mountains, accidently discovering New Caprica being examples. It is stated that highly charged particles can corrupt jump calculations and there's also the possibility of operator error

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

@@gravis2000 These jumps were only possible because they plugged Cylon tech (and Sam) into Galactica's systems. They couldn't have made the necessary computations otherwise, and indeed this was the Colonials' biggest technological disadvantage - relatively poor FTL capability.

[@michaeltward2859]

The problem with pinpoint jumps and even jumps within a single combat zone has never been the issue of the jump drive but the ability to calculate the jump fast enough. It was stated early in the series when Galactica was being chased through those 30 min jumps that they are struggling to do the jump calculations in that time and that's where the Cylons have that advantage they can do the jump calculations faster. Now you wouldn't think speed would increase accuracy but if you want to jump in a combat zone you need to calculate fast as everything is moving and like with the final and jumping near a black hole everything is moving so much that by the time they would have finished jump calculations normally everything would have moved to much to make the jump anyway. it's also implied that its a line kind of course in the fact that the further you go the harder the calculations get again why the Cylons can jump farther is the higher processing amount.

[@jakeg3733]

I'm impressed. Here I was bitching about 2/3-to-1 odds against my vipers in the late game, and you pull this off without _any_ vipers

[@frederalbacon]

in Deadlock, Modern basestars vs pretty much any battlestar above an Artemis class is an easy battle, since modern basestars have very little in the way of ballistic weapons, relying almost entirely on missiles, which the flak walls produced by the battlestars render useless. As long as you can drop that flak wall sometimes to get some missiles off yourself, focus on the fighter squadrons with your guns first, and then for the capitals use the punishing main guns with posture fully toward attack, and everything pretty much gets shredded.

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

The Mercury class had very big ballistic weapons on its front as it did in the game. You aim that sucker towards a base star it wont last very long in the game.

[@frederalbacon]

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 We saw that in the battle over New Cap, Pegasus just shredded one of the basestars with its forward guns on the first salvo.

[@Traven158]

I beat a modern basestar with a Valk the other day. It was tough, but made easier by the fact the AI is programmed not to launch fighters if being attacked by enemy fighters.

[@garrusvakarian4300]

Modern basestars (ironically) are usually better used by actual human players. They can be super spooky with the pinpoint jumps and flanks.

[@jovanblackman2608]

I wish they had the heavy bow batteries that were used in the series used in the battle for New Caprica and when Commander Garner was in command.

[@hendrikdreyerhendrik9305]

I love this, from Battlestar Gallactica

[@Brian-pz3wh]

The loss of the Pegasus in the reboot TV show was totally unnecessary.

[@CJR-wv8kc]

It all came down to money, they couldn't afford to keep both sets so Pegasus had to make way

[@Brian-pz3wh]

@@CJR-wv8kc Foolish is what it was, Pegasus being the more modern ship, even able to build replacement vipers made it a much more important vessel, but the show was called Battlestar Galactica, so i get that.

[@malekskirata8446]

I think she had to die in ionoan nebula instead civilian ship

[@n5syr01]

What the frell is the cloud? Chaff or the flack wall?

[@MathyPlaysGames]

That's Anti Missile defence flak yes

[@domidoggames]

I think the cloud is the debris mine

[@Remaagen]

WTF Pegasus missing half her shots.

[@Lukes501First]

Sadly that's developer logic these days, players have to miss half, if not a third of their shots

[@evobsm2328]

@@Lukes501First and even on full attack mode it says: increased accuracy.... most of the time it feels the same and its just the guns firing a bit faster

[@nordinabselanal-lal4691]

No sé cuántos fans tiene Galáctica pero desde que vi la serie que estamos viendo, para mí es la mejor serie de ciencia ficción que se a echo.

[@emersonalencarjunior8291]

Please try with Argos! Btw: nice battle!

[@ryanserdan4267]

One single modern base star has the ability to jump in to point blank range and hack a mercury’s fire control before the mercury can kill it, with 6 this battle should be over very quickly

[@LordDarthHarry]

Well yes. But The AI is too dumb to do that.

[@andreaslockher5901]

Without Baltars program they have no backdoor entrance and can not hack the control that fast

[@HuntingTarg]

@@andreaslockher5901 Well, Baltar was the architect of their entire Planetary Defense Network, so while he didn't intentionally design any weaknesses in, they were transparently identified by the Cylons by infiltration and espionage. Any current-era vessels would need a systems audit and overhaul to ensure any vulnerabilities were eliminated.

[@jakeg3733]

@@HuntingTarg Baffles me that the Colonial MoD just deployed all of this apparently unaudited code fleet wide, no questions asked. Actually, taking into account all the lore I've seen/read this is the biggest plot hole in the series. "Well, Baltar's a genius I'm sure it'll be fine". Either that or they used the word "backdoor" incorrectly in the show, just because it's easier to understand for most people than say "zero-day exploit". Especially in 2003, a decade before cybersecurity started grabbing headlines and people became familiar with some of the lingo. Idiotic either way considering humanity was nearly wiped out by killer machines who demonstrated the ability to compromise anything more complicated than a calculator, and here they are switching to the equivalent of Windows XP

[@chief117s15]

You're 100% wrong and it's embarrassing.

[@FanRailer]

Try doing this with a full load out of modern raiders and heavy raiders on the basestars, and it gets much harder.

[@kennethbranche1412]

this battle is intense . But , practice leading your target and you wont miss so much .

[@shepherdlavellen3301]

Does the game even have manual leading? It's an RTS

[@kennethbranche1412]

I don't know . I never played it . However , those that I have like G-Police , Colony Wars, and Armor core Silent line Don't . It's easy with lots of practice .@@shepherdlavellen3301

[@garrusvakarian4300]

It does not, all turret gunfire is automatic

[@kennethbranche1412]

Is the clip gameplay or game cinema .

[@damionnefelsch6546]

It looks like a really slow version of the death blossom attack on the gunstar.

[@michaeltward2859]

I think a lot of people in the comments are forgetting context with comparing this to the fight the Pegasus was lost in. When the Pegasus jumped in it went headfirst into the battle firing it's fore guns like the Mercury was built to do but after that he went right into the middle of the formation and that was the wrong call right? Well, it's not if your goal is to save Galactica by any means, he went into the middle to draw fire off Galactica and save the ship. If he had fought properly, he would have gone around the outside of the formation broadsiding and possibly turned in again for another run with the fore guns but with that tactic Galactica would have continued to take fire and with her inability to jump would have likely been lost. I for one would be interested to know how the series would have gone had Galactica fallen with crew evacuated to Pegasus and the Pegasus taken up the mantle of leading the fleet but the shows not named Battlestar Pegasus and of course it takes away from the theory that the dying leader in the prophecy was not Roslin but Galactica herself.

[@andreaslockher5901]

Why are the base stars not firing back

[@mustlovedragons8047]

They don't have guns. Only missiles and raiders. Once they're out they're out.

[@DanielRMueller]

The Modern Basestar in Deadlock only carries a limited amount of missiles and has no way to replenish them. Since that was basically the "farewall" update for the game, unfortunately they never rebalanced it. There are other Basestars in the game that have the ability to slowly replenish their missiles, and I th ink it should have been used here. Of course, the AI should also use its jump abilities better. It would easily be able to circumvent the flak cloud and attack the Mercury from two or three angles. You can activate only one cloud and neither protects front, rear, top or bottom.

[@supsup335]

Now do it with 6 old basestars

[@nathanielbielawski936]

I killed 5 out of 6 cratus basestars but lost the pegasus on the 6th. Might keep going for a successful run

[@highlander723]

Okay a few nitpicks. I don't think the Pegasus had chaff ability. So if you really want to do this right missiles only guns only and flack only.

[@garrusvakarian4300]

It's a debris mine, they never used these in the show but it would have absolutely been possible for Pegasus or even Galactica to make them. It's literally just a scrap metal bomb designed to kill fighters faster

[@pjherald6096]

I wish Battlestar Galactica Deadlock Has TOS instead of TNS

[@chief117s15]

No. TNS is so much better than shitty TOS.

[@garrusvakarian4300]

You mean the ships? It does, the "Artemis class" is literally the TOS Galactica just adapted into the RDM universe. I guess the Celestra and the Defender count too.

[@bruenastralith5404]

Bro, the AI looks so dumb in this game

[@Fordo007]

Cylons: We've used our all missiles... we've lost all our Raiders... we have no offensive options left... should we... retreat? Cylons: No... that's just what they'll be expecting...

[@garrusvakarian4300]

The modern basestars require a human player to properly be used, but most of the FCW cylon vessels are pretty to fight against, even in the Pegasus

[@highlander723]

whenever I watch this series I always skip the part where the Pegasus shows up to save the Galactica.... I just can't stomach it.

[@headlessfool7050]

IFf only it wasnt so badly stuttery...great fight though .

[@mcclanfly]

The only issue about this game .... The Colonies are simply OP compared too the Cylons.

[@mcclanfly]

As a side note - Baystars are just glorified aircraft carriers, packing a lot of missiles.

[@alexnavarro6941]

Dumb AI...

[@DoremiFasolatido1979]

See...this is why I get annoyed when a franchise or whatever tries to give the impression that they're "hard" sci-fi because their ships LOOK like they use Newtonian mechanics. But here (and in all the shows) we still see ships in a stationary place relative to the planet, but clearly far too close to be in a synchronous or stationary orbit (assuming the planet's rotation isn't so fast or so slow that there just isn't an orbital distance where that's possible at all). And craft and missiles are still catching up to targets by just flying straight at them, and instantly turning around and burning the opposite directions. Now...if that's how they wanna do things, fine, whatever. It's stupid, but it looks exciting, and plenty of people in the audience are too dumb to know better. But don't turn around and claim that it's fucking "accurate" at all. This is as much pure bullshit as Star Trek or Star Wars.

[@nerobernardino88]

Here's the thing: This is a problem exclusive to BSG Deadlock. Try looking into the defunct BSG Nexus Mod

[@garrusvakarian4300]

Hey pal, it's fiction. Cool ya britches