Fantasy Wargames assembly - Tavern

[@bigyaffe]

my favorite part about buying this stuff was trying to assemble it from these videos- THAT FAST FORWARD THROUGH THE ACTUAL STEPS OF THE BUILD! seriously, it's like trying to put together IKEA furniture without the instructions. i have to keep pausing and looking carefully..."did he put that cross clip on the left or right? was it the t clip? oh my gawwwwwd"

[@Battlesystems]

Sorry, we always fast forward for time, it's assumed (probably wrongly) that everyone 'gets' what's going on. I'll ask Col to slow the next vids down a bit :D

[@meme-otherapy5572]

RIGHT?!?!?! Fucking dogshit video. I enjoy these products, but their shit videos have prevented me from even considering buying more!

[@gregmurray9641]

Close ups would be really nice too along with step by steps even if you gotta make multiple videos

[@KonradPezler]

(Cherry on top moment is when he assemble chimney. Hide his hand behind the roof and.....tada! is your chimney!)

[@kengc3]

Who decided to suddenly fast forward through the actual build process of each segment? Seriously, this takes a good idea and turns it into a constant pause, rewind, high frustration process.

[@Battlesystems]

Colin has promised not to fast forward through future videos!

[@kengc3]

@@Battlesystems Thanks for replying and changing it going forward. My daughter and I have building these buildings and are loving it, and the videos work well other than that. Great work!

[@Battlesystems]

@@kengc3 Thanks :)

[@sumerandaccad]

It's hard to follow sometimes with the speed of construction and not showing which piece goes where. I had to disassemble some sections to redo them when parts were shown later. Much cheaper done this way than printing instructions but a little lacking in instruction!

[@andrewcleverley6785]

Sorry to hear you had some trouble with this. The first time building it can be a little daunting - I find the best way for me is to pause the video when the components for each bit is laid out (eg. here kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6fKoWmJZ5efmrs).

[@jaymiescott96]

Just got my Fantasy Village from the Kickstarter and it is great. Keep it up!

[@akildaniels3062]

Please make a version without the fast forwarding this one is hard to follow

[@goprochef6352]

Classical guitarist?

[@trojaborg]

All of your videos suffer from it, but this one in particular: The whole "Here's everything you need to build it, and then you just BUILDTHISOVERHERETAKETHISTURNTURNTURNNOTTHISWAYTHENGOOVERHEREICHEATEDANDCUTIT AND IT IS DONE" with the horrible fast forwarding over the most important steps. Literally the "How to draw an owl: Draw two circles, then finish the rest of the fucking owl" -meme come to life.

[@HunterEste]

Also, these kits 100% need some glue, especially for the larger floor and balcony sections. Despite how it appears on this video, the kits are extremely wobbly and come apart easily.

[@izzan3084]

Dude. Love these products but you need better instructions to build. Please don't fast forward through your build process

[@madquest8]

LOL Fast forwards through the critical assembly parts :D You can still get the gist of it. I guarantee you that after you've built this, you hardly need to watch any others since basic principles stick in your head and are the same across numerous builds (walls, roofs, which clips to select etc. Amazing design.

[@CashThulhu]

Just got my Fantasy Village set and it looks like it's going to be awesome after I get it put together. But it seems a bit silly that there aren't any instructions in the box and the only video walk throughs are sped passed some important steps.

[@Battlesystems]

As a very small company we can't afford the time and resources for written instructions for hundreds of products, particularly as most people prefer video anyway. We will definitely stop speeding up vital points in later videos though!

[@CashThulhu]

@@Battlesystems After I got through the video and build for the Tavern, all of the other ones were much easier. I think it was just a bit daunting but my village came out great and got much easier to follow along with the build videos. Thank you!

[@Battlesystems]

@@CashThulhu You're welcome :)

[@thejoneses4322]

Has anyone added a drop of glue here and there for a more solid build? I wonder if gluing in the floor tiles would further strengthen it.

[@andrewcleverley6785]

If it's not something you plan on taking down at any point there's no reason why you can't glue it.

[@Orchestration1983]

Bought the Fantasy Village and it is great, brilliant value for money. You do need to be careful though, you can be as gentle as possible and things seem solid and then suddenly give way. It happend to me for the small roof over the Tavern entrance and for the Cottage chimney. Luckily it creased in areas you can't see. My biggest compliment would be that the floors don't attach, it can get annoying. Also some of the internal furniture doesn't seem to line up with the holes on the walls, so you just need to let it sit free. I managed to get the tables to attach on the lower floor of the Tavern after rearranging some of the walls but the beds are just floating about on the upper floor. I also bought the Roads and Rivers set and unlike the Village I feel it's poor value for money, very over priced at £17. They need to either halve the price or double the contents of the pack. I've also order one of the large 3x3 gaming mats but still waiting for it to arrive. It looks nice in the pics but I wish there was a grided version for D&D combat.

[@Battlesystems]

Hmm, we did used to have some gridded 3x3 mats, it's possible that we may have a few left over knocking about in a warehouse, give Stew an email at [e-mail] I've got a feeling that they were a special custom order, but you never know.

[@darrenmurphy480]

I just got the fantasy village set. Love it. I will say I wish I hadn't started with the tavern ....😂

[@Battlesystems]

It's a bit hardcore, I started with the small house, all the build principles are there but not as intimidating!

[@darrenmurphy480]

@@Battlesystems ya I started with the tavern because it was at the top of the box 😂

[@lordbahj]

These would be much easier to follow if you literally didn’t fast forward through the actual assembly...

[@izzan3084]

This! I have no idea why he did this

[@cadiastands8]

Top floor doesn’t line up properly with the bottom floor, due to clips and notches not lining up properly. These instructions probably need to be on paper and not a video.

[@Battlesystems]

Everything should align properly, if you think you have a faulty set please email Stewart at [e-mail] with photos.

[@Battlesystems]

[e-mail]

[@Revelryproject]

So, will there be a version where we can see the actual construction? :'(

[@Battlesystems]

We are looking into alternate ways of making the videos. Often much of what is sped up is explained in the Essential video which explains the broad concepts.

[@Revelryproject]

@@Battlesystems honestly I would be totally fine with this exact video without the speedup. Couldn't you just out one longer version up if you still have the source material? We'll be building alongside anyway. And for those who are quicker you could simply add markers to jump to for the different section. That should be an easy fix shouldn't it? :)

[@Battlesystems]

@@Revelryproject There's no such thing as an easy fix with youtube! (seriously it's a horrible interface). We've got the First Born vids to do so hopefully we can deal with it then.

[@Revelryproject]

@@Battlesystems I know KZbin has a horrible interface. But come on, uploading a new video without the speedup is really not that hard...

[@PoppaRocks87]

@@Battlesystems This is honestly a joke of a tutorial, you guys can't be bothered to show proper instruction of how to put the shit together? I mean come on.

[@TheLegoGhost]

I'm trying to build the fantasy village set with a lot of different buildings, and I'm beginning to realize I don't have enough sprues to connect everything together the way the videos are telling me to. I've got three buildings done, the town house, thatched cottage, and lake house, and I'm trying to work on the tavern now, but I don't think I have the parts to complete it. I still have the storage barn after the tavern to build too. Is there a way for me to get more sprues so that I can complete what I have?

[@Battlesystems]

It's possible that your set wasn't packed with enough clips (the plastic sprues), if so contact Stewart at [e-mail] and he'll send you a pack. Or, you're using too many clips, you'll be surprised how few you can get away with. We also sell the clips on our website in brown or grey: battlesystems.co.uk/product/plastic-terrain-clips-brown/

[@madquest8]

Looks amazing. However with my manual dexterity it would end up as scrunched up bits of card after I rage quit assembly in frustration. :(

[@madquest8]

Update!! Bought the village set, and (apart from the barrels) it's absolutely fantastic and easy to assemble. 10/10. The tavern is so realistic I got drunk in it and thrown out in the street.

[@wayofthewicked]

@@madquest8 like a filthy prostitute 😂

[@deepjoes1072]

I wish you had some WW2 Terrain 🥺

[@samuelmanlangit7407]

So will the floor just fall off if you lift it?

[@1974greymalkin]

only on the ground floor. During a game session there would be no reason to be picking up the entire building. Certainly lifting the roof, and the second floor. But, the ground floor should be staying in place.

[@Fulgrim_The_Phoenician]

I just use some scotch tape and problem solved.

[@Aftonrhodes]

I've followed all of your instructions for the fantasy village, got this far and ran out of L clips. I have a mixture of some clips that I don't even know how to use, as they haven't been on the tutorials. I've counted the amount and it matches what the box contents says. Can't attach the upper floor or the apex onwards now.

[@Battlesystems]

Most likely you've used too many clips on your early builds, for example using two clips when one would work, clipping the floors to the walls etc. You'd be surprised how stingy you can be with clips and it still works. The clip packs are generic so any that you don't recognise are for different sets (for example the giraffe clip is used only for elevators in our sci-fi kits).

[@Aftonrhodes]

@@Battlesystems hi, thanks for the reply. I have followed the videos and copied which clips were used in those. The only one I used clips to attach the floor was the thatched cottage. My other buildings have loose floors. May I check, how many L clips are supposed to come with fantasy village set? I can count them and check then. Failing that, I will have a go at glueing. Would you recommend hot glue or pva/tacky or superglue?

[@Battlesystems]

@@Aftonrhodes So, officially there's 92 clips which is a bit vague so I opened up my own set and counted 40 L clips. The clips come in little bags that are packed in the factory, it's possible that you might have not got all of the bags (for example there's one little bag with 8 L clips in it). If you're short then drop Stew a line a [e-mail] and he'll arrange to send you some extra clips. Other than that you can cannibalise other clips (Ts can be cut into Ls). If you do decide to use glue we always use Superglue.

[@olirich9253]

These products are great and usually so are the videos. but this is quite a complex build and it goes so quick

[@Battlesystems]

Sorry, Oli, we will be replacing this particular video in the future, we're just drowning in work at the moment!

[@jons5478]

@@Battlesystems we "get" what's going on, but sometimes you fast-forward then move the piece out of the frame so quickly we cannot see critical things such as the orientation of the clips, which wall was used where ect.

[@hollowvoices1268]

Geeze man... why would you speed through the physical assembly? lol I can't keep up with that. Gotta play this is slow mo

[@einherjer6293]

Please, PLEASE! For the Love of god make some PDFs we can download. I have the village Set for three months and i have no Patience to Look all those Videos. Its a nice idea but in no way are they better than a PDF i can Look at.

[@Battlesystems]

The reality is, we just can't do it. When we first started we were two guys. Now we're a handful of guys. We realised early on that there's no way we can afford the time and resources to make PDFs for the hundreds of products we've created. Also, the vast majority of people prefer the videos, it's only a tiny percentage of people who want them. So, unless we become huge and can employ designers to work full time just on the PDFs we can't possibly do it.

[@einherjer6293]

Well, thats a bummer. Your stuff is really great though. So i hope you guys grow in the future. Thanks for the reply.

[@Battlesystems]

@@einherjer6293 No worries, thanks for understanding.

[@mauton]

so this video is 4 years old - 101 complaints about the speed... and you never redid it? Can you imagine the frustration that we are going through ... ive rewatched the first 2 minutes about 30 times - even tried slowing it down with YT controls. If I could I would ask for a refund ... what alterantives is there to this video in help on how to build it ? ... nothing I appreciate the quality of what you guys do - but the video just lets you and the experience down. Appreciate what you says about PDF's being difficult to do, but over 4 years - would it have been that difficult to redo this video?

[@Battlesystems]

Sorry about that, it is on our list to update this vid. You have to remember we're a tiny company, we're expanding very slowly but each time a new person joins they have a tonne of high priority tasks so it keeps getting pushed back.

[@goprochef6352]

I have to say - a pdf would have been easier to follow

[@Battlesystems]

You're probably right but not easier for us to make, we're a really small team and the logistics for PDFs for every product is a nightmare, particularly as the vast majority prefer videos. We're always trying to make them better though so take on board any suggestions. And yes, in reply to your other comment, Col's a guitarist and the fingernails led to his nickname the Ginger Claw!

[@goprochef6352]

Thank you for responding!!! I play guitar too. My only feedback is that the Ginger Claw could spin the object around a little more - but we can all figure it out I'm sure. Love the village and castle set, will be getting sci fi next year as I regularly host wargames events here in Kent. Cheers! @Battlesystems ​@@Battlesystems

[@Battlesystems]

@@goprochef6352 No worries, a little twirl of the components is a good idea. Funnily enough we're originally from Kent (both Men of Kent if you wondered!)

[@thegimpygamer]

For further videos please don't fast forward through assembly. Kinda defeats the purpose.

[@Battlesystems]

We hear you, we'll do any new vids a bit differently (and probably replace the older vids as well).

[@thegimpygamer]

@@Battlesystems awesome. Thank you. Actually let me know if I can help.

[@lorcoops]

We bought this set at games expo and absolutely love it, but goodness me this video is hard to follow. You fast forward through the actual build! Either some written instructions or some slower videos would be really appreciated guys - this sort of tainted our family’s build experience a little bit, I have to be honest.

[@Battlesystems]

Ah, sorry about that, this is a pretty advanced set so you've dived in at the deep end for your first time. If you bought it as part of the Fantasy Village box you'll find the smaller buildings much easier to follow and will give you a good understanding on how to do the bigger buildings. We will definitely do slower vids in the future.

[@lorcoops]

Thanks for the reply. We managed it in the end 😊 We do absolutely love the set - we’ll definitely be getting more of them.

[@Battlesystems]

@@lorcoops Yay!

[@handleofvecna2443]

Had a really easy time building the frontier and shanty town core sets from your instructional videos, this one is a nightmare though. Should really be redone imo, you fast forward through every important part not showing the actual components you're assembling. Hopefully there's another tutorial video out there, even with pausing constantly this one is rough to follow.

[@Battlesystems]

Sorry about that, this particular video will be redone (it won't be for a while though as we have work coming out of our ears).

[@ramza813]

Whats with the long nails on right hand???

[@Fulgrim_The_Phoenician]

probably a guitar player who uses finger picking technique, that would be my guess ;)

[@ramza813]

@@Fulgrim_The_Phoenician my guess was a guy that tucks it back in front of the mirror insisting it would fuck himself with Wild Horses playing in the background

[@Fulgrim_The_Phoenician]

​@@ramza813 Whatever floats your boat man...

[@kingpin3357]

Why on earth do you fast forward through the actually putting it together

[@Battlesystems]

Normally it's just through the basics that are shown repeatedly or explained in the early how to guides but in the future we'll just keep the vids long form.

[@kingpin3357]

@@Battlesystems that would be appreciated. I look up the video because I dont know how to put it together and you say this is everything you need so I pause the video get everything I need then hit play and now its put together. Thats the part I needed to see.

[@dinichthys7763]

well... this could be so much faster with some numbers and simple drawings...

[@LeBigsou]

You know what doesn't help in a tutorial? Fast forward through the actual assembling of the kit, I have to slow down the video, pause it, come back multiple times

[@Battlesystems]

Sorry about that, we'll do better next time.

[@bentech25]

Your products are great but this is a terrible way to explain how to build it. Show us every side slowly, stop fast fowarding what piece you put where, that's impossible to understand some steps :(

[@andrewcleverley6785]

Thanks for letting us know. We'll bear it in mind with future tutorials! :-)

[@vintosanv7109]

What’s the point of a build guide if you’re just going to fast forward .. seriously ..?

[@rhuugh6438]

fair warning: the product is worst then this tutorial is to articulate: most of my notches are cut wrong across multiple sets, those that aren't mispalced are either tight or loose with the latter occurence beign worst because the clips will sway and not hold the shape properly. The caurdboard is flimsy af i expected them to be 5mm instead it is but a couple making the slightest wrong move result in catastrophic damage (bends, rips , tears), even the print easily comes off. in summary an overpriced heap of junk if wargaming is wht you are after (clever paper stuff is much better for that pourpose) but if you are looking for paper models then they are but "OK"

[@robfox9527]

I'm usually not one to complain about these types of thing. But this video was making me contemplate a refund. This is just super frustrating with no explanation on some things? Why are there 2 different L clips? I don't know there is no explanation? I had to actually go back half way through the video and just see how many things I could have missed when it wasn't "setting properly" I have it built now and my ultimate judgement will come when I play this this. But if I knew the process and tutorial was going to be this bad. I would have not bought this product.

[@Battlesystems]

Sorry you found it a frustrating experience, we're taking all comments on board for our next tutorials.

[@sheppN7]

So I was super excited to get my terrain, and then I realized there are no principle or written instructions? Not even an overview of the layout you can follow? I appreciate the videos - in fact it's a preferred method for me - but these videos are NOT laid out like they should be. Should go over each step so we can follow! Not fast forward through the actual setup! What are you guys thinking?! And no overview of 'ok, here we'll be putting a t-clip on the right side, and one on the front, the rest will be l-clips, totaling 4'! So now we have to watch, slow down the video, then try and follow, and inevitably disassemble when we've put the wrong kind of clip on. It's a shame, because it's left a poor taste in my mouth about the product from the get-go

[@Battlesystems]

We actually get complaints about the videos being too long when we don't speed up parts. We're considering different approaches for future videos (talking through what was just done, making unedited versions available, etc). If that works we'll slowly replace the current vids with updated ones. You have been heard!

[@sheppN7]

@@Battlesystems Awesome; it's amazing to see the work you folks put into these products and the videos

[@samwiseweezy7250]

Please redo these tutorials. They are helpful but also kind of useless. When certain clips need to be in certain positions, and that is not called out, it makes it cumbersome to follow your instructions. Also, UPDATE THE BARREL TUTORIAL TO REFLECT THAT THEY ARE STILL DEFECTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@333tvl]

vos tuto sont tres mal fait. beaucoup de blabla et on ne voit rien. il faut constamment démonter pour réparer l erreur faite par la non visibilité

[@HunterEste]

Christ, can't you just have PDF instructions for us to use? This video nonsense is ridiculous. I like assembling models because it's time away from a screen.

[@TheUstican]

I love your products but you should re-record this and take this video down. It's a bad look to acknowledge that this is "one of the more complicated sets to put together" and also to admit that this video is confusing and flawed, but yet still leave it up.

[@TheDreadAlarm]

Yeah why don't you try to go faster through the details 💩