1,200 Year-Old Ice Reveals Truth Behind Ancient Civilisation’s Collapse | BBC Timestamp

[@BBCTimestamp]

How do you believe the ancient Mayan civilisation collapsed?

[@malavoy1]

They watched a 4 minute video clip and died of shock when they found they would have to pay to see the rest instead of watching ads.

[@chacmool2581]

There was no uniform, single "Maya collapse". It was a complex patchwork of change and evolution, with different timings and dynamics according to location and region.

[@matthewmckinney5387]

Smallpox

[@LordBrittish]

It was obviously their alien overlords turning against them.

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

@@matthewmckinney5387 Nope. 500 years too early.

[@mospeada1152]

I truly hate the pop-ups at the end of these videos, cos most times they cut out viewable information!

[@Whichbindoesthisgoin]

Sadly this demonstrates that the priority is ads by the maker rather than the information you have been waiting for.

[@ShanghaiRooster]

In this case the precise symbol being talked about. You couldn't make it up.

[@nikiTricoteuse]

Glad l wasn't the only one annoyed and frustrated by this.

[@BBCTimestamp]

Thank you for the feedback, this has now been corrected.

[@earthlingjohn]

​@BBCTimestamp For the record, I am watching this video after your comment was posted and indeed the issue has been corrected 👍

[@sopwithsnoopy8779]

The Mayan calendar ended in 2012. Twinkies stopped being made in 2012. Coincidence? 🤔

[@peraperic-011]

calendar didnt just ended, it finished full circle and started again

[@Frisbieinstein]

@@peraperic-011 That's what They want you to think.

[@JS-jh4cy]

Are twinkies essential to civilization?

[@Toori5ky]

Now everything makes sense, and I mean everything 🤔

[@Matthew-ix1mq]

Twinkies can outlast the Mayan empire 😊

[@janerkenbrack3373]

When you think about it, a drought of just a few years could cause people to move. Ten years and they might all disappear. Relocating to better climates.

[@Kiyoone]

1200 Years is not old at all. You CANNOT call it "ANCIENT". it is very misleading

[@janerkenbrack3373]

@@Kiyoone an·cient1 /ˈān(t)SHənt/ adjective belonging to the very distant past and no longer in existence.

[@jandrews6254]

@@janerkenbrack3373in America 200 years is a long time ago. In the UK 200 miles is a great distance. Perspective.

[@chriswampler1]

4 minutes to end with there it is right there. Clickbait

[@polemeros]

Thanks. You saved me following the breadcrumbs to nowhere.

[@davidc.9933]

i'm more curious about 12k year old ice

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

The ice that preserved Ötzi was 5k years old just sitting in a depression on a col in the Alps. The ice packs on Greenland and Antarctica can be kilometres deep. Full depth ice cores can cover quite a bit of human history on the planet.

[@MikeAG333]

What aspect of it are you curious about?

[@mickhealy572]

Antarctic ice cores at more than a million years old are mind blowing ..

[@vindiesel1469]

Why stop at 12,000 years? JW

[@ipos1070]

​@@theoztreecrasher2647 you will not find ice older tha 5-7 thousand years old on Greenland. Greenland has a cyclical ice sheet and it was barren 10,000 years ago.

[@chacmool2581]

The problem here is that there was no homogeneous "Maya collapse". What we see instead is a shift with a paradoxical change and flourishing in the dryer areas, for example, the northern Yucatan. We need to get away from this unicausal, silver bullet view of the "Maya collapse" and break it down regionally as dynamics were rather localized.

[@chriswampler1]

people left areas. other tribes destroyed the migrant invaders.

[@jeraldbaxter3532]

Thank you! I was wondering about the flourishing of the Yucatan fit into this theory. Apparently, they make it fit by ignoring it.🤔

[@eastafrica1020]

Only one problem, the Maya lived in the Southern Hemisphere.

[@robsutcliffe6218]

Interesting stuff!

[@johnnorth9355]

I doubt that their elaborate underground and above ground water stystems and locations near cenotes were the result of an abundance of water given the labour and ingenuity involved ?

[@Whowinsthebillion]

The samples should be taken from many different places and should match togather otherwise you risk falling into local anomalies due to different factors

[@mrbaab5932]

They do that.

[@MikeAG333]

You don't think that's occurred to people? Sheesh. There are large scale core sampling projects in multiple areas.

[@matthewdudael1931]

It was dry and cold across the Northern hemisphere . The very conditions that would indicate drought in the Maya areas . Really ?

[@donaldduck830]

Truth is that the 1600s were a time of crisis all over. It is the end of a dynasty in China. The time of a hundred kingdoms in Japan with intense civil war. The Civil War in England. The Puritans that fled and tried to settle in New England. A drastic reduction in population numbers in North America. The end of the Eighty Years War in the Netherlands and the thirty years war in the rest of Europe. The church was in problems. French aggression was nearly unchecked. Europe was in a desperate defensive battle against the Ottoman Turks at the same time. The Russians beat up Sweden. It was a time of chaos. Mayans? Norway lost two thirds of its inhabitants from 1350 to 1650. In densely populated Germany there are totally abandoned villages. In France the revolutionary times around 1800 were worse, but everywhere else, the 17th century was a low point. All due to climate change. If we had global warming back then, a myriad of people would have lived.

[@paulg3012]

Anything to keep the grants coming.

[@nikiTricoteuse]

Please can the pop ups pop up a little later? In this case they completely obliterated the very reason for which we had come to watch the video!

[@BBCTimestamp]

Thank you for your feedback, we have corrected this now.

[@lazygardens]

But WHAT did they write about it? What was the context for that glyph?

[@lilashelton535]

I like the little bits of history except the beginning and end of the discussion seem to be missing.

[@ValdemarDeMatos]

In the description it says the this is part of “Ancient Apocalypse”. I think it is possible to find the full documentary here on KZbin.

[@earthlingjohn]

2:00 ... Seriously, these sound effects are absolutely NOT necessary !! and much much too loud

[@mariusenigma1783]

Three years of global drought and we ... TY

[@ragingjaguarknight86]

Whoa, they used sound effects from Age of Empires 2 @ 2:02, 2:10 and 3:47. 😳 But awww, nostalgia. 🥹

[@zzzzBadBoyzzzz]

Higher Green House content is a very beneficial to life on Earth.

[@ernestsmith3581]

Drought is not the only thing that would lower atmospheric ammonia levels. Would not a period of greening also deplete ammonia levels, as plants use nitrogen for growth?

[@stefaniasmanio5857]

Hi. So all this messy musics and pictures just to miss the important part and any explanation…. well done indeed…

[@Sq7Arno]

The thing about ice cores. Surely there were times when existing ice was melting, sometimes wiping out thousands of years of the record, as opposed to accumulating. I'm saying Ice cores likely paint a rosy picture where warming periods are concerned. Scary as that is.

[@eh1702]

That is why they take cores from the permanent ice caps rather than sea ice. There are areas where it doesn’t melt. In a warming period it tends to get more snow. True, “permanent” is not absolutely permanent, but the ice caps have been there since around the time dinosaurs went extinct. If they melted to any extent, then almost every city on the planet would be underwater.

[@Sq7Arno]

​@@eh1702 Not melt now. Melted say 10 million, or however many years ago. How would you know there are years missing? I suppose such events will rarely be across all ice deposits. And time periods can likely be cross referenced across various core samples. I brought it up more because I'm curious how such possibilities are handled in practice.

[@morebaileyskim]

@@Sq7Arnowe only know of ice caps going back 130k years. It is practically very similar to tree rings except they aren’t just counting they are also comparing chemical composition to other confirmed dated elements from the paleo record.

[@eh1702]

@@Sq7Arno Yes, cross referencing is the key. This includes cross referencing with an astonishingly placid Japanese lake which gets a lovely tiny layer of leaf-litter & silt every year. Dendrochronolgy is important, because it can tell you not only how many years very closely, but even tell what were good and bad years for different species in different places, which can help decide if there was cold, drought or what. Cross referencing not only with trees that live thousands of years, but with artefacts like sunken wooden piles and carbonised / vitrified beams of buildings whose rings overlap with those: and logs buried in permafrost after river floods thousands of years ago, and wood preserved in peatbogs. Cross referenced with carbon dating and other forms of chemical dating too. There are many resources online where you can find out how many different things are cross referenced, and how far back there is a very good approximation. For example, you have some Egyptian and Chinese and Sumerian observations of astronomical or weather events whose result can be seen in ice cores or in debris elsewhere. And these are dated according to which dynasty and king they reference. More recently you have things like the Roman accounts of the eruption of Vesuvius that left us Herculaneum and Pompei. Looking at some carbonised pieces of large wood there, you can say, “These tree rings must have been laid down before 79AD”. In fact our present “BCE/CE” formulation was invented by Kepler so that European, Jewish and Muslim scholars could be sure they were all talking about the same year when they were talking about astronomical events in particular. Before that, it was normal for people to date things by the reigns of kings and popes, which becomes really tricky when you’re communicating internationally. So the year Kepler did that, in the early 1600s it was close to a 1-in-400-year event where the planets line up in a striking way. So to not run afoul of the church, rather than start from THAT event in his own lifetime, he picked the one-before-the-one-before it - designating it as the birth of Christ. It actually was within four or five years of the birth that a sixth-century churchman had estimated from scriptural sources, so the church was fine with it. (It is customary for prophets and avatars of gods to be born in association with rare celestial portents.)

[@DanielStone-yw1rn]

Isn't that around the time of the missing 300 they changed the clocks in relation to what history

[@MikeAG333]

How about re-reading that, and seeing if you can edit it to make some sense.

[@oakfat5178]

@@MikeAG333 Possibly a misconception about establishing the Gregorian calendar?

[@geroldbendix1651]

​@@oakfat5178 The calendar change was in the 15hundreds, missing 300 is a speculation about 300 missing years earlier. You will find that on Wikipedia.

[@RobotB303]

Tell us about the civilization before or around the younger dryas.

[@markthomas6703]

A bigger truth is that all Amerindian societies have very brief reigns. They flourish for a few generations and then they decline

[@jeffsiegwart]

Fascinating!

[@Lily-flying]

What I did not see here is proof of indigenous peoples leaving Mexico across the Gulf of Mexico and setting up a civilization in modern Alabama and Georgia. They have dug up pyramids, pottery and jewelry worn. They did not disappear. They just moved on to better areas.

[@Klandagi]

Thank you .

[@markphillips7538]

So all that for 10 seconds of the Mayan expert to be cut off at the end and obscured by the KZbin cards. Thanks

[@Woopass90]

If only the Maya had reduced their carbon footprint!

[@jframe-os2zi]

Are they checking ice core samples from both North and South Poles?

[@Nope-r4y]

Only the bi-polar scientists. Fun fact: The earth is bi-polar.

[@oakfat5178]

I believe they're doing that.

[@BigShnarff]

There! Rite there one little text! See they often spoke of drought extensively!

[@erdschatz-detectinghistory7286]

Es ist wirklich unglaublich und erschreckend wieviel schwachsinnige Aussagen hier von einigen der Klasse Mensch an Kommentaren abgegeben wird. Was bitte stimmt mit diesen Leuten nicht ?

[@jeannerogers7085]

American education, or lack of it.

[@HowlinWilf13]

Yeah, who has the time to be doing time-consuming carvings in hard stone when they're starving?

[@travelerlane5542]

?? Mayans lived in the southern hemisphere, not the northern.

[@jose-luisgomez582]

Geography alert!

[@SunsetBoulevard111]

They all moved to Los Angeles

[@chriswampler1]

lol and started wildfires

[@oakfat5178]

@@chriswampler1 That'll happen in severe drought conditions. It happens a lot in Australia, influenced by many factors, among which climate change is a prominent force.

[@TobiasBritton-j9j]

Who would have the time the to write things down during a catastrophe, not many.....!!!!!!?

[@RamBeloeZlato]

Sorry Crixus Dragon's Dogma

[@danoneill2846]

Carolina Bays

[@ukestudio3002]

Good presentation, weak conclusion..🤷🏽

[@Kiyoone]

1200 Years is not old at all. You CANNOT call it "ANCIENT". it is very misleading.

[@Dutch2go]

Not very convincing, sorry.

[@edrcozonoking]

The ice cores are definitely more convincing than just the mention of a drought on a manuscript.

[@Dutch2go]

@@edrcozonoking there are disputes about that as well. In any case, unlike their claim, the north is, obviously, nowhere near the Maya area. It’s all just wild surmising without any evidence of causality. Period.

[@eb2564]

They died

[@A3Kr0n]

But not without a fight.

[@thekaxmax]

But how?

[@pyrsartur3675]

The end

[@oakfat5178]

@@thekaxmax With their boots on?

[@UpStreamLivn]

Well,.. it is all flat again,I guess? Mayan who?

[@shiddy.]

1:45

[@matthewmckinney5387]

1200 years old ice tells nothing about ancient humans because 1200 years is nothing compared to the at least 500 thousand years humans have been around.

[@chriswampler1]

blah blah lies blah blah blah blah more lies

[@lohikarhu734]

A meaningless attempt at negative correlation.

[@matthewmckinney5387]

@lohikarhu734 i agree this video is nonsense

[@theharper1]

What are you babbling about? The ice cores specifically showed the fingerprint of a severe drought corresponding with the collapse of the Mayan civilisation. It has nothing to do with the rest of prehistory.

[@michaelhills5978]

I love the First Amendment and free speech - it allows us to identify the idiots. If you’ve never studied science, you get the ignorance shown by these stupid comments.

[@A3Kr0n]

I'm skeptical when something confirms someone's hunch. I'd rather they had found it without a hunch, just looking.

[@radhesyamaji]

Hypothesis is a path in the darkness to start and try 👍

[@thekaxmax]

Hunches are applied expertise used to determine where to start looking. Without that you're poking randomly, a waste of time.

[@Threetails]

A hunch is just plain English for a hypothesis. The progression goes hypothesis>experiment>repetition>theory.

[@mikewakefield8994]

Empirical stuff causes problems with our low brains. Tell me if I am off base.

[@Dutch2go]

@@Threetails right and in this case only one glyph in one book may perhaps speak of a (local?) drought. So no repetition exists. It’s not convincing, period.

[@radhesyamaji]

❤❤❤

[@bingeltube]

This video awfully reeks of pseudoscience! Drought in the northern hemisphere and only the Mayans were affected! Please try again!

[@MikeAG333]

Have you no notion of history? Populations all over the world were affected.

[@duvelr]

It fails miserably to show or even suggest a connection between two possible events! It doesn't seem scientific in the slightest! It's more like a mini documentary about an opinion! Truth? 🤡

[@ecjtelevision]

What a load of Crap! lol

[@bigbird6039]

My fantasies are just that. No way would I want them to be real. They just help me get to where I’m going faster. Unlike forty years ago when I would think about work to slow me down.

[@Destry-q1l]

Dumb

[@-wotiu_77]

36kya, began the yunga dryas freeze .. before that the planet was perpendicular, an the Entire Planet was Tropical.😮.

[@chriswampler1]

firmament kept the climate stable like a terrarium

[@chriswampler1]

asteroids broke through the firmament and cracked the mantle releasing the secondary ocean beneath the earth's crust. there was ice above and water below the crust and a stable sea. everything about the climate changed in the blink of an eye. The firmament breaking and collapsing is why so many creatures have been found frozen with the contents of the stomachs being perfectly preserved. It was really the end of the world as man and beast knew it.

[@MikeAG333]

Your English is appalling.

[@fao7491]

For sure if the collaps is clmate change then the mayans payed to little Carbon tax,. The UN states that Climate change is only based on mans interaction. Mayans not only barbarians. but also major contribuatrs to pollution. Second reason is perhaps to little Climate Communism. Having climate communism above 90% for sure helps against the weather.

[@MikeAG333]

I'm sure this gibberish means something to you.

[@oakfat5178]

Does the IPCC *really* say human activity is the only contribution to climate change? It's probably a straw man argument.

[@rainyday2315]

The Mayan people should have stopped using fossil fuels❤