Doctor Anthony Fauci on why he left the US government | BBC News

The BBC’s Katty Kay talks to Doctor Anthony Fauci, who served as Chief Medical Advisor to the US president during the Covid-19 pandemic.
Doctor Fauci reveals why he left the US government and decided to become a university professor.
He also tells Katty about his work leading the US response to the AIDS crisis and opens up about how recent threats to his security have affected his day to day life.
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00:06 Katty meets Dr Fauci
03:43 Fauci on religion
04:52 Fauci on being a divisive figure
10:18 On conspiracy theories and misinformation
14:25 On PTSD
15:30 Working with US presidents
17:49 Fauci's life in photographs
#Covid19 #USPolitics #BBCNews

[@Durka-Durka01]

Never forget what these people did.

[@tonystark341]

What they did ?

[@user-bo1ux2pv1l]

I think if you know and if you remember I don’t think this sentence is being respectful.

[@joannewilson6577]

@@tonystark341 They did what Trump want them to do to all who challenge him..bullying and harassing!

[@Mac-ku3xu]

@@joannewilson6577 Someone questions authority, and in Pavlovian fashion you belch the word "Trump".

[@lw1zfog]

@@joannewilson6577 😂 blimey, they’ve got you well trained eh. look out ! the orange jesus is coming to get you !!!

[@imnexup3577]

Why would a doctor needs to be surrounded by three body guards at all time?, wake up people.

[@LM-to5qb]

Trump

[@BrianBriCurInTheOC]

THE REASON IS THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY UNEDUCATED AMERICANS THAT LACK INTEGRITY AND THE ABILITY TO THINK CRITICALLY AT ALL!!! ANYONE THAT REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE HOW INTELLIGENT FOUCI IS AND HOW WELL HE SERVED THE USA; THEY LACK ANY - HONOR AT ALL, ANY INTEGRITY THEMSELVES AND LACK ANY INTELLIGENCE IN THE LEAST BIT!!! THIS MAN DID MORE FOR THIS NATION THAN THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ELECTED TO POTUS OR ANYTHING ELSE!!!

[@rabradley1701]

Because he's guilty that's why

[@wendyannh]

Because of the death threats he has received from so many MAGAts.

[@brentwelsh]

Because MAGA is full of unhinged lunatics who feel violence is justified.

[@afridgetoofar1818]

I’m shocked they left the comments turned on

[@rblanks2050]

he left because he knows hes culpible for millions of deaths

[@janeck.8695]

Who is culpable for your grammar?

[@philtate1029]

​@@janeck.8695what a genius you are

[@exposethenwo6491]

It could top a billion deaths by end of the decade

[@Mac-ku3xu]

@@janeck.8695 Who is culpable for your deranged priorities? More worried about apostrophes than mass murder.

[@cowboyup621]

@@janeck.8695man that’s all you got?? You internet grammar teacher?!? What a douche bag

[@brucetrombley6986]

Damage control for the corrupt.

[@cowboyup621]

Yep and his time is coming I promise you

[@Egoandpride24]

@@cowboyup621 Hope your wish comes true and very soon, as he is above 81.

[@christophercoffey5332]

She didnt ask if he is still "THE SCIENCE"

[@nielsturegroenlund]

The fact that a retired doctor and government official needs Secret Service protection 24/7 speaks some depressing truths about U.S. politics...

[@joshmartin1938]

And RFK jr was denied by POTIUS Bribeden.

[@franoreck]

You never answered the question? Do you have investment s in any pharmaceutical s?

[@reddryderwilkinson6217]

We know he does. It’s documented as are his lie and deception. Run rat run!

[@elisadinsmore231]

It is WELL known that he does. Research is your friend.

[@geoffsimpkins7650]

This fraud and money launderer gets the premium thumbs up from the BBC. Who would have thought otherwise?

[@Mac-ku3xu]

“When you question me, you’re questioning the $cience.”

[@ziofascistssuck]

This joke of an interview is the perfect reminder to why every Brit should cancel their TV licence.

[@bugattibezzy2927]

America hasn’t forgotten what all of you have done to our country. USA USA 🇺🇸

[@user-pv2xy1og8h]

He caused a massive outbreak of mental retardation in America, as can be seen from the comments here.

[@carolineinch9409]

Yes USA USA USA 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

[@Mr_Zod]

The USA has more mental health issues than any other first world country, it has schools that resemble prisons with guards and metal detectors, you have more mass shootings in a year than the rest of the entire world combined in the last 30 years, you have constant school shootings, politicians that are bought and paid for with legalized bribery in the form of lobbying and campaign donations, you have the most expensive health care system on the planet, literally the entire planet. Your country is rife with gun violence, crime and medical debt. But if you ask an American they will tell you "It's the greatest country in the world", your country is a shit hole and you are just too ignorant to realize it.

[@AD-gi9zg]

You are an embarrassment to your country. People around the world become prejudiced against usa because of maga morons.

[@lisasolis7399]

She didnt ask 1 real question.

[@ampamp999]

Fancy talks

[@ChicagoWheels]

Oh Yes She did...She asked if he would pull out before he blew His load😂😂😂d🎉🎉🎉

[@Koolade]

this is a date not an interview

[@exbronco]

It's kind of weird seeing a retired scientist have this kind of security. He looks like a King or a president or something.

[@cindymaceda2999]

Crazy people have guns.

[@Psybo]

@@cindymaceda2999😂if only

[@exposethenwo6491]

Hitler Stalin and Mao had security too

[@Yamasutra]

He orchestrated the biggest fraud in history, his handlers need to protect him

[@constitution_8939]

This "Federal Employee" even though retired has the Most S.S. and other Security than ANYONE ELSE on the "U.S. Government" payroll and books. He IS the Most Protected man in American History . . . and You need Not be told Why as You already know.

[@carolm1110]

How shallow could this interview be? Actually it looks more like they're on a date. Ridiculous. There are so many questions that could have been asked.

[@jeffbeck3777]

If they would have asked real questions he never would have did the interview I sure he told the BBC what questions they couldn't ask

[@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher-69]

Secrets and lies…..

[@gerardross2398]

He has Body Guards .....

[@doneag1]

He needs them...Lying sac o shit

[@3ATGL]

BBC you should be ashamed of yourself ! No longer the journalistic standard of the world.

[@Orf]

100%

[@briaredpath9386]

Half wit kisses golems ass 🤦‍♂️

[@onlyonewhyphy]

A lovely piece. You went very far out of your way to make him seem like just an elderly gentleman, who lived an exceptional life. Rather than a maniac who should never see anything but the inside of a prison cell, for the rest of his short life.

[@brentwelsh]

the lies you tell yourself are funny

[@exbronco]

he should be in prison. put in the general population. how about a maximum security prison?

[@onlyonewhyphy]

@@brentwelsh I see that, Brent.

[@bluepillreproductions5781]

Based

[@DarthLesbian]

@@brentwelshDid you make sure to say that in front of a mirror?

[@thook4242]

Dr. Fauci "Evil Personified" would have been a much more fitting title

[@ShapingFaces]

Could not help laughing when he said he has done this for public service: he is a multi millionaire with his entanglements between the state and big business. One has to recognise his ability to cold heartedly survive the deceptions and deviant scheming.

[@jemma6596]

He worked in the same job for many decades as a doctor in America. Along with his wife, who is also a doctor, he should be a multimillionaire. It would be shocking if he was not.

[@KatisonYoutube]

​@@jemma6596along with his wife who oversees the ethics and distribution of the funds.... How convenient.

[@JohnSmith-rr8hc]

This video gives me confidence that the media sucks, thank you 😢😂

[@user-zy3qj2hb2s]

The media are just paid actors ! No faith in them.

[@markmusto2527]

Loved all those hard hitting questions about the biggest story in a hundred years, Katty. Pulitzers all around!

[@iamacalmocean2080]

Despicable that this passes as “journalism” these days. Sickening propaganda piece

[@wildandbarefoot]

And they say sarcasm doesn't work on the net...😅

[@virgomachine9217]

Garbage

[@tannerengh2483]

Haha. How about how he had conflicts of interest in suppressing medicines that could have saved millions of lives.

[@dennisbouma7606]

Why isn,t this man locked up?

[@usmanusman-lv2hy]

What did he do?

[@vandreren4290]

"Its a big club, and you aint in it." - George Carlin.

[@Psybo]

@@usmanusman-lv2hy😂😂😂 good one I love a good troll

[@reddryderwilkinson6217]

@@usmanusman-lv2hyyou should really consider wearing a helmet whenever you leave your home.

[@usmanusman-lv2hy]

@@reddryderwilkinson6217 whats your problem man? im not supporting him or anything, I just wanna know why people hate him.

[@geoffbirchall7552]

One question I would ask “When did you know?”

[@KatisonYoutube]

And how much did they offer him?

[@phillhatton4492]

😂😂😂 do you work out a lot..? Well no i power walk.. well i walk from my private jet, through a million quids worth of security guards to my chair.😂😂

[@RichyFourVideos]

The "I cant tell a lie" part really got me😂

[@public.public]

The very last resort of a con artist being 'what's the matter don't you trust me?'

[@roybatty8366]

Name a lie he told in his 50+ years of public service for 7 presidents. 6 of whom were decent people.

[@jaaksavat7916]

@RichyFourVideos Dr Fauci is a scientist and bases his comments on the scientific evidence and proven facts eg data. You on the other hand only 'believe' what you like to 'believe'. "Nothing is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" Martin Luther King

[@joannewilson6577]

@@public.public You are talking about Trump the con man!

[@Psybo]

@@joannewilson6577😂let it go buddy Nobody is talking about Donald here but you. Get a grip your blind darts aren’t landing

[@renerene8766]

No one should be threatening the family! A trial must determine the truth.

[@ThatGuy-tx4vm]

yes they should. Trials are not justice. The US is a democracy therefore the people should decide. Not corrupt judges. Enough is enough. Fauci caused the death of millions therefore he must pay.

[@on-knee]

It’s not the family we should be after. It’s HIM

[@rblanks2050]

we live in an absurd world wherein people honor this monster.

[@reddryderwilkinson6217]

He’ll look over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

[@ibm_businessman6033]

Clown world

[@vandreren4290]

The inmates are running the asylum.

[@NickRavenscroft]

This 'interview' serves as a good reason to never pay your BBC licence fee.

[@tonipaulvir7754]

Don’t they ask him about the research he was doing?

[@DirtyWopBastard]

if we all made a list of the top 100 questions we would ask Fauci, you would have asked none of them. Good job, puppet

[@exbronco]

She asks him about his diet, and he says "I can't tell a lie." Yeah, you can.

[@stumblebiscuit99]

Yeah, Trump is a good example how easy it is to do.

[@kj5138]

How can you not ask even one useful question that would actually interest the public to the number one work enemy? And what he should do now, please retire… so sad how the media do what the media do these days…

[@cindymaceda2999]

British correspondent carrying an umbrella during an interview. I ❤it.😂

[@Jonathan-mt9up]

Funny how he says “My own personal ethics in life are enough to keep me going in the right path” as his face gets darker and darker.

[@TheLakingc]

Where can he safely go to church? Some Catholic parishes are full of trump whackadoos. I know personally of 4. I was scared to go to any of them.

[@joannewilson6577]

And your cult leader his getting closer and closer to jail.

[@Jonathan-mt9up]

@@joannewilson6577 I voted for Biden and hope he goes to jail. The buyers remorse is painful. Tired of his administration covering for Fraudci and his cronies.

[@Psybo]

@@joannewilson6577😂😂😂fail

[@exposethenwo6491]

He is definitely going to hell

[@justice4all_]

"how did it happen?", you lament... the moment you limit humans in their basic rights - like freedom of movement and freedom of choice - that moment you, basically, sign your own verdict

[@joemammyt6046]

Prayers someone gives him a Kenedy hairdo

[@petertone1616]

Its like spying on some kinda weird date. This "interview" is an embarrassment to journalism

[@IloveCamels335]

Cannot believe that there are still people out there after everything that has happened who believe that this man is looking out for humankind.

[@jaymevogl4338]

I KNOW! People are so uninformed and trust the media to tell them factual information

[@youflaw3285]

Do you notice all the comments? It’s pushing an agenda. It’s not real people. What are the odds most of the top comments are praising this old fraudster. I wonder who’s behind the comments and what’s their agenda

[@supadupachicafly]

This man's research saved my dad's life. So yes, he is looking out for humankind. If he wasn't, my dad would not be here today. People need to look beyond covid and look at all the other research Dr. Fauci has done.

[@IloveCamels335]

@@supadupachicafly Lucky you. My mum is dead because of the likes like him. Sellouts for money and power. She never needed a Covid vaccine but everyone of her age group was "force vaccinated" basically. Two days after she was dead. Heart attack. Back then they said ohhh it´s not related. Of course it was, I knew it right away. Only now they are starting to show the crazy increases in heart related issues due to mRNA Covid vaccine. Thank you Pfizer thank you "Dr" Fauci. Hopefully this explains why I have no sympathy for this man. Reading the book "The real Anthony Fauci" gives a lot more insights on this mans shady life.

[@DeFiDeveloperAcademy]

@@supadupachicaflydon’t bother, we know who he really is.

[@eileenkast4982]

Wow! So glad Katy really did hard hitting journalism! A PATHETIC JOKE!

[@danjdavison]

What is this headline? Hahahahaha. What a joke.

[@McKinleyMorann]

BBC - why the gushing, fawning tone?? He’s not George Clooney. Ask him some real questions ffs. Woeful.

[@Quest4224]

WOW! This was an exhilarating interview! This is what the public needs with our news stations. Getting out there and doing the work. I would say if there was ONE thing that would of made this interview that much better would be if bbc actually asked ONE REAL QUESTION....but hey I love to know that he works out everyday, and is a sex symbol, and his face is on donuts or some shit. That's a great service to the people. Well done bcc, your credibility is.....uhhh....yeaaaaa...............

[@MrKronz]

Is this a joke.

[@Sunshine-lo6vd]

The guy is a clown and a murderer. He’s a puppet for the pharmaceuticals companies and a coward.

[@joesacco9832]

It has to be… right?

[@reddryderwilkinson6217]

The Brits have become twits.

[@Dagoth_Ur_1]

Because his vast criminal actions that claimed many lives in exchange for $$$ were being exposed. He has a large and growing criminal case against him.

[@jaaksavat7916]

@Derangedxzo... your syntax sucks, go back to school instead of criticising a highly qualified and thorough scientist.

[@joannewilson6577]

In your sick mind

[@carolineinch9409]

He is responsible for millions of deaths, around the world. He will meet his maker eventually wgat will he say?

[@sahinozkan199]

Caroline, Caroline, Caroline.....

[@Sunshine-lo6vd]

100% ! He’s a sick sadistic murderer.

[@peanutbutterbruv]

Probably you're welcome for all of the help I gave your creation. Or nothing, because your imaginary friend in the sky is just that, imaginary. Just like your theories about Dr Fauci.

[@tremaineyourmind8326]

Its a yes and if you look at my bank account ill tell you its a yes smh

[@Mike-The-Polisher]

This is why people don’t pay there tv licence

[@BobBobber-pi3dc]

Talk about the Americans getting shafted without vaseline by this guy.

[@oogs]

an absolute dry fisting

[@solnahealthcare6343]

All science and medicine can do is to make the waiting room on earth little comfortable But science cannot cure death or ageing

[@soviet9366]

In 1918 life expectancy was arround 40, now its around 80. I would have ben half blind in the time before simple spectacles and died of a ruptured appendix at 14 years. Science and medicine are good things

[@cowboyup621]

This guy has his time coming 💪🏻 these security guards can’t protect this scumbag from Gods wrath!

[@cyndis5257]

They can't protect him from unicorns either. Pretty much the same threat level.

[@KatisonYoutube]

​@@cyndis5257You may want to read the Bible and note that every prophecy has come to pass and rethink your statement and your direction with God.

[@tedtedtedtedted]

because his treachery and incompetence were becoming public knowledge ?

[@roybatty8366]

You must be a Drumpf supporter with an idiotic comment like that.

[@naturenurture84]

You dont look 82, you look 70.😅

[@geoffbirchall7552]

All the child blood he consumes!

[@angelachalker1654]

The Great Barrington declaration

[@lorddavidlawrence]

Surely, being on a BBC curated list of "influential" people is not something to be proud of.

[@chrisgreen7725]

I'm watching the old TV series "V" and one of the first fascist acts of the visitors is propaganda demonising scientists. So perposterous but then, look at the reward for a life of service that. in retirement. requires body guards because he did his job.

[@user-jm3mo6sb6v]

His job was financing gain of function research in Wuhan that may have led to millions of people dying and then lying about it. He funded Eco health alliance after they were turned down by the Pentagon as the research was consider too dangerous, it was also banned in the US at the time hence Wuhan lab. I don't get your comment as Fauci was the evil slimey lizard man demonising scientists who pointed out the covid 19 looked like tweaked in a lab therefore its origin was most likely a lab leak situation.

[@Jonathan-mt9up]

Do your research. He funded gain of function research that created Covid in a Wuhan lab, then lied about it.

[@Mac-ku3xu]

He should be getting acquainted with the gallows.

[@awatchwoman]

We have a far better reward for standing for the truth, whatever - eternal life is ours!

[@Mac-ku3xu]

He did do his job, as the front man for the drug cartels.

[@Berley_1234]

sit back and reflect on how much money i made on all this

[@nezaetferati2490]

That years old my son got it. He was the only one that had to go back to work. The rest worked from home. It was bad. This November 2023 son got it again from a person at work. That tested positive but showed his girlfriend negative test to go back to work. Sin got it. In 5 days I got it then my husband from our son. My husband had just had heart surgery less then a week it hit him. Hard. , I was negative after 12 days my husband took 20 days it’s December 12 2023 and still have lose of smell.

[@jamesgilheany9624]

Why isn’t he wearing eight masks?

[@MH-pz8wf]

That's what follies would think, right?

[@angelachalker1654]

What about silencing Dr Jay butacharya?

[@lukasmiller486]

And Scott Atlas?

[@zabsol8819]

He's trying 😂

[@vibeonup]

Not a single question regarding his funding Gain of Function research, or his unethical ties to EcoHealth Alliance and Peter Daszak in this nauseating puff piece. This is advertising not journalism. At the very least it should be flagged as misinformation. Corruption has many faces and this is one of them.

[@amgry5461]

The creator of omnicron I presume

[@PC-tc5je]

Dawktah Tony lied under oath… facts

[@lorddavidlawrence]

Perhaps Miss Kay should now read and comment on Robert F. Kennedy Jr. book which tells a much different story.

[@ashandouglas2272]

Wow, this interview is real low even for the BBC….

[@curiositycloset2359]

They really are just taking the mic out of us.

[@w.urlitzer1869]

?

[@roybatty8366]

Yeah, how dare he work as a public servant for 50+ years.

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@roybatty8366 May want to look into this "work" he's been doing.

[@lightingbolt8148]

He should be in jail for fraud

[@Lennybird91]

Nah.

[@thelmarose2782]

What utter rubbish spills out of your mouth. Any relation to Trump?

[@vandreren4290]

and crimes against humanity.

[@Zack-jc9yb]

He will atleast be harassed till the end of his days

[@Lennybird91]

@@Zack-jc9yb you must be an alcoholic.

[@ChicagoWheels]

Where's MY $$$$ Money Fauchi??!!!

[@THENARRATIVTestimonies]

I mean why wasn’t he fired?

[@Velokat1]

What’s with all of these bot comments..

[@underarmbowlingincidentof1981]

some new scam campaign probably... but they are overdoing it a bit. it isn't really effective on that scale but hey.

[@johnsmith_treeler9031]

To keep the comments telling truth from being right beside each other making it easier to see a conspiracy lol

[@public.public]

It's a pedoring.

[@Kwippy]

they are not bots, they are genuine American knuckleheads.

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

indeed, so sad.

[@QuantumTV]

Keep up the good journalism, definetly to the point 😂. No scandals in here that's for sure!

[@CBEACH]

We took ArtemiC Rescue when we had it and it really helped within a few days - we were rescued. 😅😅 And we have used ArtemiC Support for prevention.

[@hjm3098]

South Korea will soon face a massive wave of impeachment protests to force the incompetent leader step down.

[@henrikandersson3286]

Cant believe he dare to walk the streets

[@thisismetoday]

Can’t believe you dare to threaten this man. Too many stupid people in US America engaging in conspiracy theories. You should be ashamed for causing this man having to walk around with security for the rest of his life.

[@oogs]

@@thisismetoday YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR SUPPORTING CORRUPT BIG PHARMA, GO GET YOUR BOOSTER WEIRDO

[@user-vh3fr3lb8w]

​@@thisismetodayit's sad a civilised country like us has ignorant people who can believe in stupid conspiracies.

[@BB-rx3kc]

The journalist is either a family member or soon to be a family member SHAME ON THE BBC

[@batiachazon6648]

Daniel fisher my son the last experment of death hiv aids thank you Dr Anthony Fauci

[@tremaineyourmind8326]

If government works for the people and the people dont like you nor want your help then….whats really going on

[@Theodisc]

Why is he walking free? "He's still doing it." COVID was his _pièce de résistance,_ his _chef-d'œuvre._ He needs to answer for all of it.

[@Theodisc]

@matrix_lines Oh no. That would be coming from a place of self-responsibility and owning it (yet not) with him. The body-minders are there because of the unhinged, the kooks, the conspiracy theorists, the hoi polloi, the fickle mob. None of any of it has ever been onto him, particularly because he *is* the Science, which comes with carte blanche to his having done all that he did over his career. Dr Judy Mikovits I salute you. *You* should have been the one instead in his chair making all of the decisions he *didn't* make over the decades. The world would be a better place if you had. 💙

[@spiritualcombatant]

If I were facing God's judgment in his state of moral decrepitude, I wouldn't want to die either!

[@jasonrobertson8487]

Journalism is dead.

[@stormtrooper3381]

Well he is 82…time will do the justice.

[@RichardPetrocelli-cd3yu]

“82… can I have what you have? Could you just sell what you have?” Those are exactly the two questions I needed her to ask this man before I lay down on my deathbed. “Thank you, lil puppet,” and said with a Spanish accent.

[@reddryderwilkinson6217]

This says a lot about the BBC. Tell us you’re part of the establishment without telling us you’re part of the establishment.

[@desigirlBea]

He loves the attention of cameras

[@mauroloyolaguerrero7189]

Kawhi's story is similar to that of Jordan, when he won his third championship, they killed his father and Kawhi, when he won his second championship, they imprisoned his sister; he who challenges the nba gets into trouble

[@steveb9226]

He left because people were waking up to his bull💩. Oh yah , the half million dollar government pension doesn’t hurt either.

[@geoffbirchall7552]

When is his trial beginning?

[@stacyMighty]

Very interesting

[@user-li7lh6wc9u]

Just cancelled BBC/CNN on all accounts

[@tanyafrida7380]

I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't know enough about Fauci to have an opinion. But I know one thing..... journalists should not be hugging interviewees. It's very unprofessional. Reminds me of Robin Roberts when she interviewed Jussie Smollett. She did not challenge him in a way that she could have because they were already on friendly terms. That's not journalism. That's advocacy.

[@jaaksavat7916]

@tan... you're the epiphany of ignorance.

[@reddryderwilkinson6217]

BBC is playing doctor… The Spin Doctor

[@JimbobSim-lv5cz]

The 77th brigade have hijacked the comment section. What a surprise said no one ever ………….

[@AD-gi9zg]

Report the comments for misinformation.

[@jacksaloman9513]

lol, he better have those body guards

[@SamuelWilliams-lk2yd]

He is guilty

[@BB-rx3kc]

The security is because he’s the highest paid USA government employee in charge of the bio-chemical weapons program With labs in the Ukraine and China

[@user-vi2dk1qz5f]

You are so correct about the labs in the Ukraine. Very disturbing.

[@BBBBBBBBBBBX]

Truly a sex symbol in his own mind. 😂

[@liamp.8826]

He belongs in jail! The fact that he's still free, is very sad...

[@lukaszzaremba7642]

True. Real Donald Trump is a sex symbol. And British Trump aka de Pfeffel Johnson, BBC-launched lying, sexist, chauvinist scum who "got Brexit done" by allowing bodies to pile high. Both are pricks. And prick is a sex symbol. Lol

[@roybatty8366]

​@@liamp.8826what utter nonsense.

[@Kareem-Baba]

​@@liamp.8826you need to get your head checked

[@soviet9366]

​@@liamp.8826why?