Damning final report into Grenfell Tower fire published | BBC News

[@LS_jr]

Honestly shameful, this shows the hard truth that the government doesn’t care about the poor. It took them this long to just admit it. And still non of them will go to jail. Absolute disgrace.

[@V01DIORE]

The government which just came into power after more than a decade?

[@watzon151]

And ironically it was a labour government that started it

[@jedi-mic]

Well it's the government cutbacks and complacency when you cut back in health and safety ministers and other ministers what would you expect

[@hexusmexus6971]

Not the government but the people that work for the government there are such bad things said about our government but these are the results of a thew not all allot of good people still want to do good in our society and leadership of government unfortunately the management of fire safety in the tower is a result of many with in the business

[@V01DIORE]

@@LS_jr Took till labour to get this sorted so which government?

[@martinwyke]

Time in prison is the only thing that MIGHT bring about the fundamental change in attitude needed - lives before profits.

[@Goole1947]

No one was punished after that the 2008 financial crash. The wealthy are completely out of touch.

[@nickjames5366]

More than a couple years, a couple of years per life lost.

[@dimamatat5548]

The nobility in their House of Lords will block any law that damages their luxury lifestyle.

[@BonnieDragonKat]

Time in prison isn't going to teach them anything. They're just going to go back to cutting corners and putting people's lives at risk. I think they needed to have harsher penalties. The punishment does not fit the crime.

[@fredericklmeade2947]

@@dimamatat5548, are you even English? The House of Lords is legally required to vote for whatever the Commons passes. The Lords are nothing more than a rubber stamp now, just as the monarch is just a political figurehead.

[@Outdoor_Cycling_Adventures]

Death of the innocent because of dishonesty and greed, incompetence and a general carelessness.. I wonder if anyone will be held accountable and to what degree.

[@adenwellsmith6908]

Lots have already been jailed.

[@verzeda]

​@@adenwellsmith6908 I think they mean who was actually responsible, not fall guys. What about the culture of greed that encouraged this to happen.

[@adenwellsmith6908]

@@verzeda The ones prosecuted, all from the culture of greed. Derrick Peters was convicted and jailed for six years in August 2018. Eyob, 26, was given £15,918.20 on pre-paid cards, £60,945 in hotel accommodation (at the Holland Park Hilton between July 2017 and June this year) and £9,968.36 for laundry and parking - a total of just over £86,831. He was jailed for three years and four months over the fraud and a further three years and four months for five drug offences. Jenny McDonagh, 39, took £62,000 from a fund for Grenfell victims while she worked as a finance manager at Kensington and Chelsea Council. Anh Nhu Nguyen, 53, was jailed for 21 months after getting more than £10,000 from the local council and charities by pretending his family had died in Grenfell Tower on the night of the fire. .... it goes on and on.

[@adenwellsmith6908]

@@verzeda Elaine Douglas and Tommy Brooks claimed they had lived on the tower's 19th floor but had been staying with friends elsewhere on the night of the fire. The Jamaican nationals were illegally in the UK. Douglas, 51, was jailed for three years and Brooks, 52, was jailed for three years and three months after it was realised that their flat had not even existed. Douglas was housed in the Radisson Blu in Kensington for 276 nights at a cost of just over £55,000 to the council and, after complaining about the food in the hotel, she was given a pre-paid credit card, running up charges of more than £11,000. She was also handed a pre-paid Oyster card so she could travel free of charge. Brooks also started at the Radisson Blu before being moved to another hotel - 243 nights that cost the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea more than £49,000. He racked up charges of £9,000 on a pre-paid credit card and was also given an Oyster card.

[@edwardvalivonis23]

You mean Boris?😂

[@johannbraunstein1190]

Simple analysis regardless of the cladding - there was no sprinkler system and the fire brigade could only reach maybe half the height of the building.

[@flowergirlabc123]

I was told never to live in a place where the local fire dept ladder doesn't reach. It's true. Those people who lost their lives needlessly due to cheap, inappropriate materials. No sprinkler system? That's criminal. How did this pass code/inspection? Shocking. I don't want to think of what those people went through and the survivors etc.

[@fredericklmeade2947]

@@flowergirlabc123, more important is to never live somewhere without fire sprinklers. There has never been a fire with a loss of life in a building equipped with water sprinklers. It is perhaps the single MOST significant protective means of preventing the spread of a fire and loss of life.

[@TheStarBlack]

Never mind regardless of the cladding. A fire would never have engulfed the entire building without that cladding. Risk management is about understanding the risks and taking appropriate action. A concrete tower block with no flammable cladding would not catch fire therefore any fires would have been contained within the flat where they started.

[@charlesfaure1189]

Dishonesty by material supplier resulting in 72 deaths. In other words, murder.

[@fredericklmeade2947]

Murder requires intent. Manslaughter, aka third degree murder, would be the charge in a U.S. court.

[@charlesfaure1189]

@@fredericklmeade2947 Thank you for the pedantry.

[@lurekayaklrf]

It’s not pedantry, you got it wrong, he made the correction incase you were just genuinely uneducated on the matter.

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

What is the relevance of what might happen in a U. S. Court when we're talking about London?

[@marviwilson1853]

Airlines never ask you to wear your seat belt during the entirety of the flight they only recommend that you do so. Airlines know that turbulence is a common phenomenon at 38,000 feet and they know that sooner or later another passenger will die when they are thrown from their seat mid flight. How is this allowed to happen? It is ironic that the place where a seat belt is most needed is at 38,000 feet where turbulence occurs. Wearing a seat belt during landing and take off is not going to help you in a crash!

[@nickjames5366]

And there is no change. The building I am in, when they do a fire alarm test and I report that the alarm did not go off in my area, I got branded as a liar.

[@TheStarBlack]

They're not doing a proper test if they're not coming round to check that the alarm went off. Maybe have a chat with the local fire station about what they're doing. I'm sure a visit from the fire officer will make them pay attention.

[@nickjames5366]

@@TheStarBlack - thanks, got an appointment with them at 10:00 am.

[@jonaen24]

The cladding was against EU Regulations which were law; the Tories permitted noncompliance with EU regulations which would have prevented the deaths.

[@DanH-f3b]

And Lib Dem’s…why aren’t you including them? Or is it the anti Tory hard on you’ve got

[@Asdfgghhhjj]

Stop trying to policalised everything. The Grenfell Tower was completed in 1974, and has nothing to do with Brexit.

[@bwilliamson3887]

Funny as we were still in EU

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

That's the point isn't it 🙄 permitting the opting out of the regulations would mean nothing if we'd already left!

[@AxGerm756]

But those EU regulations were 'an infringement on British Sovereignty' as Mr. Nigel Garbage and Mr. BoJo would call it !!! Are you not happy, that the UK has now it's sovereignty back and every British city council can make the sovereign decision to use flammable cladding instead of being bullied by evil Brussels on using non-flammable material ?? That's true sovereignty for you.

[@scottl.1568]

What a bloody mess 😔

[@jules263]

LFB won’t take any ownership of this postcode lottery. The Guardian submitted freedom of information requests to all London councils on how many personalised emergency evacuation plans (Peeps) had been issued to local people since 2017. Of the 33 London councils, 29 responded to the request. The data found five London councils, Hounslow, Islington, Lewisham, Hackney and Tower Hamlets, had not issued any Peeps. About 18 councils had provided Peeps. Of those, Lambeth had issued the most since 2017 (2,529) and Wandsworth the least (35, many of which are no longer in place). Inconsistent?

[@Mattiewashie1]

Not to mention Boris Jonson shut 10 stations and removed 15 engines 3 were ALPS in the Kensington area the closes one was at paddington and was not on the standard PDA for the brigade cuz normally fires are contained to 1 unit

[@RichPober]

There was a similar fire in Slough in August 2024, 7 years after the Grenfell fire disaster. See BBC report: "Slough council knew about fire building's Grenfell cladding". A local authority knew that cladding on an area of a building that caught fire last week was similar to that which contributed to the Grenfell Tower disaster. Nearly 300 people were evacuated from Mosaic Apartments in High Street, Slough, on Thursday 22 August. The cladding was aluminium composite material (ACM) panels with a polyethylene core, which allowed the fire to spread at Grenfell Tower. Slough Borough Council has now said it became aware of the cladding in July this year, after the government asked it to investigate.

[@carmadme]

We have several buildings in Norwich with the same stuff it's still up there now

[@nm44Sergie]

Its not in London so that wont get reported

[@kevinkevin-ug9po]

Who is getting taken to court first, govt ministers or the corporate murderers.

[@stuc3195]

Which Government Ministers?

[@HenryLister]

Yeah i think today is the day to remember all of 72 people who died in Glenfell tower and including 18 children and also we can remember those who died in tragedy and also rest in peace 72 people 🪦 🕊️✝️

[@jeremyacton4569]

BBC, Where is the link to the report? You could and should include it in your Description section.

[@jules263]

@@jeremyacton4569 available on Gov website

[@sirgo0se97]

You could just… look it up lol

[@Roy-gi5ul]

Such a very thorough report deserves a rigorous follow-up to dictate a legal response to combustible materials in all buildings regardless of size and use. Regulatory bodies MUST be brought to book, for it was they who cleared the materials concerned for use in Grenfell Tower, amongst others. Many heads must roll, from a whole range of agencies: control just was not tight enough to ensure safety. Inexperience in most spheres is frequently fatal once thing get out of control!

[@connormurphy7028]

"lack of accountability" "dishonest marketing" "greed" "incompetence" "lack of leadership" "lack of training" "company x, now trading as company y". Just another day that ends in y for the UK. Lengthy prison sentences and asset seizure alongside huge investments in training and watchdogs/regulators that actually have teeth are the only way to fix this.

[@abpccpba]

Thank for the publication. Truly sad to hear here in Arizona.

[@THEchiQ]

The only surprise for me was the training failures of the emergency services.

[@cragmc8386]

And Theresa May said in her tearful exit speech that part of her 'proud legacy' was her government's response to Grenfell... Didn't she also sit on the damning report from the FBU re. this kind of cladding whilst Home Secretary?

[@TheGreenUpgrade]

I pray that the souls lost in the Grenfell Tower fire continue to rest in peace. Moving forward, implementing the necessary changes to prevent such a tragedy from ever happening again is the right thing to do. This report has made it painfully clear that human weaknesses-such as greed, favoritism over competence, and the desire to cover up mistakes-can lead to the loss of innocent lives. While we can certainly strive for change, we must also confront a deeper question: how do we prevent our own human flaws from leading to such destruction? Simply blaming the government is not enough, as we are the ones who empower it; in blaming them, we are also acknowledging our own collective failure. Supporting a public fund for voluntary donations to help the families of the deceased is a positive step, but it is equally important that we, as a society, choose a path that protects all of us-one that prioritizes human life over material gain. I pray that we find the courage and compassion to embrace this change, and build a future where disasters like Grenfell never happen again.

[@ChrisJones-hs6nj]

Someone in the civil service signed off on cheaper, more dangerous materials. They should have been arrested in the first week, not this 7 year sham.

[@fredericklmeade2947]

So we can and should ignore this report as it is, in your words , “a sham”? Apparently, in your view, this investigation was pointless and should never have been bothered with. We might as well have turned our backs and walked away: nothing to see or learn here, no investigation necessary.

[@edwardvalivonis23]

They were compensated in millions

[@adenwellsmith6908]

@@edwardvalivonis23 and many who weren't even there got compensation.

[@ElephantAwareness]

I live next to Grenfell Tower ! Nottinghill housing Genesis,The local Masonic fire brigade & undeclared masons members in K&C council & the environmental health are all behind the mass murder at GT… we have lots of proof…. Also… Remember the Stephen Lawrence case ? It’s much worse than you think Kensington & Chelsea council’s director of housing needs is Stephen Lawrence’s best friend - Kojo Sarpong - he has been hired to cleanse white people out of West London because he’s secretly racist against white single males ! He’s a very bitter person that is housing all his own people & placing white people outside London with very high immigration levels !!

[@xmurisfurderx]

What about the dead, how will those be compensated???

[@Dubjaxfilms]

Who will get prosecuted ?

[@DanteLovesPizza]

No one. The implications are so deep, no one even dares to try. Yay for cronyism! Yay for corruption! Just remember, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

[@RDCFemmes]

Exactly, who is going to jail?

[@markmonaghan2309]

Nobody , even with a pm that was a prosecutor and knows exactly what should be done. He will do nothing.

[@Clown_fighter]

Tommy Robinson?

[@weekendwarriorprospecting817]

Immigration control 101 😂❤

[@jonaen24]

If UK had complied with EU cladding regulations, Grenfell could not have happened. We are sick of lifesaving regulations being treated as a joke and just "red tape" when they are a matter of life and death. It IS the attitude of Tory Eurosceptics that the rules dont apply to them.

[@jonaen24]

@@jdchsdjhj We WERE at the time!

[@marviwilson1853]

When you get on a plane do you keep your seat belt fastened during the entire flight. Any time soon we will hear of yet another person dying onboard when they were thrown from their seat during turbulence. Do you put your health and safety first or do you unbuckle because it is so much more comfortable to sit in your seat this way?

[@AxGerm756]

But that's an 'infringement on British Sovereignty' as Nigel Garbage and his ReF*ckUK party would say. Are you not happy that you now have the Sovereignty to use flammable materials wherever you want ? That's true freedom from the Brussels dictatorship for you 💪🏻💪🏻

[@mutawadada6311]

Seven years to make the masses forget. This seven years can't take that away for the families and friends that lost their love ones.

[@Jessica_tdi]

I learned about this in a drama lesson today. I saw a photo of it before and a video of the fire . I saw a picture of the 72 people and one of them was a baby girl who looked like my sister…

[@jules263]

Firefighters seeing #Grenfell for the first time... "How the fluff is that even possible? How does that happen?" Regulatory incompetence, council indifference, ministerial neglect, corruption. Heads should roll but the establishment looks after its own.

[@Shadowhunter179xxx]

Imagine if they had to done real work regularly. 7 years to look into a a small circle of people involved… outrageous

[@fredericklmeade2947]

They aren’t getting paid to do this. They already have jobs and responsibilities they have to do while undertaking the investigation. Did you *listen* to what was said? That what they discovered was so much greater and widespread than anticipated that it added significant time to the length of the investigation. It’s also possible that parties of interest were not cooperative or dragged their feet to respond to questions and requests for information and materials. It seems likely that at least some parties would have been intentionally slow to respond.

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

Reading some of the peculiar critical comments here,I think that a lot of people haven't actually listened to the statement. It's actually quite distressing to hear. The inquiry have taken their role as seriously as anyone could hope for and were obviously distressed and angered by what they found. I don't know if I can remember a public inquiry that has resulted in such a strong statement of condemnation for all who were involved.

[@DessieTots]

I still take great exception when I hear that LFB are included in any criticisms or shortcomings regarding the Grenfell fire. I’m also appalled at the quick blaming of LFB at the time of the fire. There isn’t a fire service in the world that would have faired any better on that day. Only a passenger jet converted to tackle forrest fires could have possibly quelled the fire enough to allow more residents to escape, in my opinion. The LFB were not only fighting a horrific, accelerating fire but also government failures and corporate greed.

[@maszlagma]

No surprises here, the real culprits who out of greed caused this are walking free without consequences. Absolutely shameful.

[@fredericklmeade2947]

The report is a fact finding process. Prosecutions are suspended until the fact finding report is issued. If there are going to be prosecutions they will follow now that this has been completed.

[@vernonrabbetts]

Now they can start the prosecutions... ...the Inquiry will make that significantly more eady.

[@politicsinpink]

criminal charges NOW

[@johnsparrow261]

How can you blame the fire brigade they didn’t approve the cladding the blame should lay at the government the contractors door not the people that risk their lives to save people they don’t know

[@fredericklmeade2947]

You’re not paying careful enough attention to what was being said.

[@michaelatkins4501]

The Next thing…….Somebody has come up with the idea of turning the over a million square foot of unused offices into flats to solve the housing problem….. but these buildings were never designed for living in….. the floors and walls will spread fire everywhere ( basically they have used loopholes on planning permission so they don’t have to use extra money on things like fire safety )

[@dominicbrant1968]

A noble man indeed. He actually says it as it is. All those in charge failed. All the deaths were avoidable.

[@johnroscoe2406]

Everyone knows what happened and why and WHO. Blaming the firefighters is despicable.

[@csharpe5787]

They’re is not blaming the , what they’re doing is saying they’re training and practices were not suitable for the conditions. I think the firefighters would agree with that themselves.

[@johnroscoe2406]

@@csharpe5787 nonsense. This is deflection.

[@Duncan23]

They aren't blaming the firefighters at all, they are pointing out areas which need improvements so both the firefighters and the people they are saving have the best chances of success.

[@BenLaws-m9j]

If you don’t address possible issues with the fire services response for fear of “blaming firefighters” you would never improve things and the same thing would repeat itself eventually.

[@jules263]

@@johnroscoe2406 LFB won’t take any ownership of this postcode lottery. The Guardian submitted freedom of information requests to all London councils on how many personalised emergency evacuation plans (Peeps) had been issued to local people since 2017. Of the 33 London councils, 29 responded to the request. The data found five London councils, Hounslow, Islington, Lewisham, Hackney and Tower Hamlets, had not issued any Peeps. About 18 councils had provided Peeps. Of those, Lambeth had issued the most since 2017 (2,529) and Wandsworth the least (35, many of which are no longer in place). Inconsistent?

[@fintamaria2429]

How important are the quality or the lives of some people. In front of billions of profits, greed greed!!!

[@4362mont]

The same year as the biggest N. California fire close to us, IIRC. And ours was widespread & terrifying, but I remember thinking this tower fire was worse.

[@jamessmith84240]

Ok great. Names and criminal charges now please.

[@brickleyyard4966]

Thinks its a bit unfair to blame the firefighters who where only doing the best thay could

[@roywalsh9676]

They are giving a false impression that only this cladding has issues, not the true picture that all brands of cladding are combustible. An Australian tv documentary illustrates this point

[@aitordotco]

Come on. Just say it. Rich don't go to prison. They can get away with anything.

[@marviwilson1853]

The evidence does not support that emotional statement. Sorry.

[@melhiore]

So no surprise here; corruption, greed and more corruption....

[@edwardvalivonis23]

Expecially those who suppose to be jailed, yet investigating themselves

[@TaroChan-nel]

To the families and friends left behind, it’s not been 7 years. They have been stuck in the “day after”, and will not be able to move on until justice is served.

[@croneryveit9070]

So the report clearly leads to the fact that austerity is to blame. Which tories are going to jail over this?

[@Strawberryknight]

I still remember those nasty people at the local council refusing to meet the victims' families.

[@nanahamilton1101]

We all should learn a lesson, it is sad

[@tonil.476]

I notice no one mentioned the book that was published to help the survivors of this tragedy. He spoke of “community” organizations stepping in and helping the survivors. But that Grenfell book earned thousands of quid for the victims.

[@AnEnemy100]

Ignorance of the law is not a defence but ignorance of regulations appears to be the only defence these contractors have. I suspect it was wilful ignorance.

[@johnlawrence2757]

I still find it shocking that so many of the occupants of this council owned block were foreigners. It seems that homeless uk born British citizens (like myself) are way at the bottom of the queue when it comes accessing council rented flats: in view of events perhaps we are the lucky ones. I’m 83 now and still waiting

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

It was noticeable how fast the Premier Inn chain removed similar cladding from all their hotels and yet so many blocks of social housing are still left in a similar danger to Grenfell Towers. The money and the will was there in a commercial business, but not in social housing for poor people. That's what all this is really about.

[@maxfactor4209]

Hmm... A couple of years ago, there was a condo collapse in Miami, Florida, which led to over 100 deaths. All the involved parties (building management, security, contractors, etc.) and insurers sent their lawyers to court, and in less than a year, they reached a settlement of around a billion dollars. Can’t this be done here?

[@Rich.H68]

So greed and corner cutting. That sums up the UK at the moment.

[@fredericklmeade2947]

That sums up human beings at all times and places, not just Brits here and now.

[@ALEXSTORER-p2b]

But no one will be punished because before theses companies would even appear before this enquiry they insisted on being free from any prosecution rich people don’t get punished they get rewarded

[@shekofathy5160]

And what about Nw11 8NH , the building being burned with people inside it?

[@wamteng3790]

So... those who worked for the council escaped, along with their local government pensions intact?😑

[@ElephantAwareness]

I live next to Grenfell Tower ! Nottinghill housing Genesis,The local Masonic fire brigade & undeclared masons members in K&C council & the environmental health are all behind the mass murder at GT… we have lots of proof…. Also… Remember the Stephen Lawrence case ? It’s much worse than you think Kensington & Chelsea council’s director of housing needs is Stephen Lawrence’s best friend - Kojo Sarpong - he has been hired to cleanse white people out of West London because he’s secretly racist against white single males ! He’s a very bitter person that is housing all his own people & placing white people outside London with very high immigration levels !!

[@marviwilson1853]

The council are not designers, builders or architects. They hire "experts" to do these jobs for them. If you go to the dentist and something terrible happens with your teeth do we blame you or the dentist you hired to work in your mouth. Come on mate, get some precision into your arguments and statements. The councils job is to allocate their limited resources across all the services they provide. If experts told them that £800,000 could be saved with an alternative cladding then that would mean more money available for social care say. People seem to think that money councils save is put in a bank to earn interest or something! Can you imagine the fuss if several elderly people died due to lack of social care they were entitled to and then it was found out that the council had spent £800,000 more than they needed to on some decorative cladding!!!!!

[@wamteng3790]

@@marviwilson1853 But they are responsible for this mess as well and they could be potentially walking free with their pensions (Those who were managing grendfell). Writing a wall of text and trying to deflect isn't going to win your argument. You bot.

[@marviwilson1853]

@@wamteng3790 Well the tone of your response says it all really. Where in the Law does it say that an employee's pension is confiscated in such circumstances. Where is your evidence or explanation that backs up anything of what you have said. You are just making up outcomes that simply suit some sort of desire for revenge. If you are looking for revenge then as I said the engineering and design aspects of the project were rightly delegated to the appropriate experts. Direct your frustrations to them. The council would just have to be sure that those they picked were ISO9000 or whatever it is compliant.

[@wamteng3790]

@@marviwilson1853 Look, you playing the devil advocate for the council here isn't going to change the outcome to one that you seem to wish for. But please, carry on.

[@Ustp27]

Took 7 years???

[@keanubartolata3465]

Did I miss the part where he recommends reviewing existing buildings and its design to conform with regulations?

[@DeclanOKaneMD]

Lawyers are the only winners

[@charlessmyth]

This type of cladding was developed to offer an alternative to outlawed asbestos as a material for this purpose, and applicable to buildings of this structural class that are too weak to support the weight of concrete cladding. What ought to have happened for Grenfell Tower, was that new tower blocks would have been constructed in the vicinity, to expand the supply of housing; the occupants of Grenfell Tower relocated to the new towers; and Grenfell demolished and redeveloped. However, because of endless planning delays and social-impact and social inclusion enquiries, etc., this didn't happen. It also didn't help that the UK's economy was hammered into the ground by the US' subprime mortgage fiasco that led to so many years of austerity.

[@Sophiegunner]

It’s a pity the woman who was genuinely concerned and trying to work with a community of people by writing a book was pushed out of the country by racism and constantly being bullied by the British media and haters.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

That's the thing about fire, it can make rapid decisions.

[@Tommy-jl9dm]

Firefighters are there to help if they can , if safe to do so. They are absolutely totally absolved from any guilt as far as i am concerned abd would say so if this had hppened to my friends and family.

[@nickinthefield4202]

And no one gets jail time…

[@The-Cat]

Not even western war criminals get it

[@maykolee]

Where are the criminal charges ? 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@SarahTheNearlyInSP]

The contractors should be in jail. Simple as.

[@dorissim5012]

Every stage of building should be vetted and scrutinized by an expert independent 3rd party. Fire alarm practice should be held 2 a year in every building and the fire fighters need extra training for managing multiple fires in a building crashing down.

[@hitmaneast9815]

7y to say what everyone knew. Now get on with holding people accountable. Justice for the grenfell victims. Also too all the firefighters the public knows you done everything possible to save life’s and we thank you all.

[@DeborahMzDivine]

Disgusting....CLASS-ACTION

[@mollycooper-rg9zz]

They removed the Council Leader the day after the fire and replaced her with someone else to answer questions. Why was the original Council leader removed in the first place ? Why wasn't she held answerable ? Why has this assessment of the Crime of Murder taken so long? Why have the Murderers not been held accountable ?

[@devilzwishbone]

But we all know not one of them from the council will go to jail

[@hateclub]

It's absurd to say the report serves as something that relevant organisations should take note of to understand what went wrong. They already know what went wrong, the only thing they're waiting to see is how regulations change - the regulations they know they were pushing the limit of already.

[@zetamale]

Why publish the report? Who will be thrown under the bus? Justice never serves to those who most deserve it.

[@ColmVD]

So who goes to jail? Surely someone goes to jail.... (and not a suspended sentence)!

[@lw3646]

The police apparently need another 18 months to read it. What a farce.....

[@rmc9604]

there are certain individuals who need to rot in jail for the rest of their lives because of this

[@paulhiggins8774]

So no one person is to blame

[@yusufmunir3396]

Everyone related to that building has been thrown under the bus in this investigation except the tenants..

[@hazlemarina]

They were thrown in the fire

[@extrude22]

How is it the tenants fault that the building was incorrectly designed?

[@yusufmunir3396]

@@extrude22 not saying its their fault..

[@neilsmith5762]

And nobody will go to gaol for this

[@Ken-ps9ux]

Yet innocent Post Masters and Mistresses were fleeced of their life savings , imprisoned and driven to suicide in no time at all

[@rsimch]

72 lives burned alive, few days ago 7 lives lost on luxury yacht immediately arrested the crew, started integorations without allowing time for trauma recovery, because the dead were richer than anyone ever could be 😮😲😳🤔

[@justgeorge7218]

WAKE UP PEOPLE, WE ARE BEING PLAYED FOR FOOLS HERE

[@sianwarwick633]

What is the actual number of people who lost their lives

[@lw3646]

70.

[@aethellstan]

everyone knew all this within a week or so. hopefully now people will be brought to book. i won't hold my breath though.

[@popeymadethis]

If Starmer’s government don’t fully implement the recommendation of the inquiry then we have failed as a country. I have little faith in this government to do the right thing.

[@gravel7614]

It happend in 2017 and the most anyone has gotten in terms of compensation was £5,500 for each family. And a few regulation changes. We've already failed

[@user-cu5gc4qz8p]

I don't think its at all fair to blame contractors and consultants, the cladding manufacturer lied about the properties of their cladding and their fire safety tests and performance How is that the contractors and consultants fault??? bulding management for the poor status of fire doors, extractor fan, and alarms are also very much at fault.

[@DeclanOKaneMD]

Nonsense

[@lw3646]

The Metropolitan police 8 years on are......... still investigating.

[@alexdavies7394]

Why haven't the police arrested those who are responsible??? No one wants to assume any responsibility for this tragedy. Corruption still runs rife! Even the government knew of the dangers, but they brushed it all aside - as usual. My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

[@DaKiffster]

Is anyone going to serve any significant prison time or compensation to the victims for how they failed them though?

[@coventrypunx1014]

How many of the people who were in Grenfel were renting from the actual legal tenants

[@SummitSmile]

what's up with the background music at the beginning? anyway...

[@PeterMullinger]

All becauseThe Royal Borough could not be bother with their council tenants.

[@DavidGetling]

Am I the only one to notice that instead of this enquiry fattening the wallets of so many lawyers, millions of pounds could have been given to every single Grenfell victim?

[@pcaming]

Inquiries like this allow for improved construction practices, so this doesn't happen again. It will also be the ground work for those impacted to sue.

[@andrewjones-productions]

@@pcaming You are right, but only if MPs in the House of Commons follow this report up with enacting new legislation. It is also important that the media remain vigilant as any legislation proposed invariably gets watered down after initial draft, revised drafts, revision of the revised draft etc., etc., etc., until such time that the bill gets passed to the House of Lords for further scrutiny. By the time it gets to the King for ascension, without any external vigilance throughout, it can end up being an Act that is about as helpful as a chocolate teapot.

[@masere]

They already got put up in 4 star hotels and given non-repayable £50,000 credit cards. Over 80% of the residents were foreigners, many who came here illegally, and the vast majority of those 80% were claiming benefits. Don't you think they've had enough of our money already?

[@jackatherton7639]

@@andrewjones-productions they already have its called the building safety act 2022. specifically part b which deals with the new regulations to do with fire and means of escape.

[@Fab666.]

People need prison time. Paying out tax payers money, why? It isn’t the public that created this mess, why take from the public purse, those at fault should

[@iRiShNFT]

All the Rules and Regulations making everything unaffordably expensive don't even keep us safe ... quite the opposite. So Who is going to jail ? If I caused 1 single death due to negligence , I would go to jail ... Who goes to jail for this ?

[@sirgo0se97]

This tragedy happened because those in charge of the building did NOT follow the correct regulations in regards to fire safety. It does keep us safe, when bloody followed.

[@iRiShNFT]

@@sirgo0se97 Yeah dude , Regulation without enforcement is just Wishful thinking ... That's like having laws without police officers. If laws aren't enforced then lots of people will continually break them. EVERYONE knows you shouldn't clad a building with Toxic Flammable materials ... but nobody stepped in to stop it at any point

[@fredericklmeade2947]

Your cynical suggestion that regulations are useless is absurd. Without them the safety of our homes and offices would be non-existent and incidents like this would pass by like gun crimes in the U.S. Firearms are very lightly regulated in the U.S. - actually barely at all - and we see the result. Constant mass shootings, 35,000 Americans killed by firearms each year on average. Because of this Americans just go about their business the day after a mass shooting because there is nothing with which to control firearms, noting to change. Yes, someone to prosecute (if they’re still alive) but no regulations or policies to change. Your answer is to spread that laissez-faire insanity to the UK building industry too, a corporate nirvana of commerce without responsibility.

[@iRiShNFT]

@@fredericklmeade2947 shutup dude , you read and hear what you want to hear and project your delusions onto other people. Go back to bed

[@marviwilson1853]

@@sirgo0se97 What do you mean by "those in charge"? which people do you mean? As I see it, the council were in charge of the refurbishment project but they are not responsible for the fire. As non engineers they have to employ experts to do the job for them. Architects, designers, builders. If you go to the dentist and something terrible happens to your teeth do we blame you or the dentist expert you hired to work in your mouth?

[@dant-vj2gl]

The gaslighting, deception, and corruption continue! What is the resolution?

[@nellyb.9340]

Justice for Grenfell Tower victims ❤

[@vixenjunebaby]

The LFB warned the council

[@HOLYMOTHERGOD]

The tolerance of mistakes are too unimaginable in the UK. When one challenge someone for his or her ignorance, they call this bully or harassment and many people even make use of the trump card of racism makes UK fail. This could not be possible in the city I came from. No one is liable for what they have done wrong, in another words it punishes those do right. Gradually it lower the standard of the whole.

[@MsCharlieBrown78]

And meanwhile. David Cameron and Eric Pickles walk around without a care in the world! when are the police going to grow a backbone and arrest the guilty?

[@nanahamilton1101]

Failure Failure, and that happened under Conservative watch, badly.

[@TheMilford99]

So will there be `Corporate manslaughter ` charges pending, or is it the usual ` no accountability ` With the usual ` We will learn from this !!

[@ElviraCondomine]

No recommendations for people to be prosecuted for corporate manslaughter?

[@davecooper3238]

That’s a police matter.

[@ElviraCondomine]

​@@davecooper3238 It is, but the inquiry can make recommendations for a prosecution due to their findings in the report.

[@davecooper3238]

@@ElviraCondomine It’s an enquiry. Isn’t and never was a criminal investigation.

[@ElviraCondomine]

@@davecooper3238 If the leader of the enquiry finds that the law has been broken in their own findings, such as proven cover ups and dishonesty that lead to peoples deaths, than that goes into the report.

[@davecooper3238]

@@ElviraCondomine Still don’t make it a criminal investigation. Like an air crash investigation many whiteness are given immunity from prosecution.

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

Now I guess the process to decide WHO to prosecute will commence, a lot of people died in that fire, and it's important that some form of justice be applied, to mark the seriousness of the loss of life due to the cumulative decision making taken on by people unknown to the residents of the building and unknown to the people who perished as a consequence of choices made. This is not a process to rush, because the danger exists that 'sacrificial lambs' will be thrown before the public while the ones with real responsibility and decision making authority will get off scott free or successfully duck for cover. The hard truth to tell is that justice in the truest sense will never be achieved, because too much is at stake on all sides that compromise will be necessary to bring a respectable and decent level of closure.