Brexit: Welsh independence 'is on the table' - BBC Newsnight

[@dforscher]

UK doesn't want to be governed by Brussels. Wales doesn't want to be governed by Westminster. Sounds a fair game.

[@SandyTheDesertFox]

it's the natural end conclusion of anti-union rhetoric.

[@cescargot]

But I've seen no Article 50 in the Act of Union or any other text that has built the UK, and I see little veto too 🤭 So I don't see how one could think the EU is a dictatorship on one side and think UK is the perfect example of a democracy 🤳😇 This is a own goal from Brexiters, IMHO

[@msa-tt4bg]

@Hauke Holst The EU can always kick Hungary and Poland out for not taking enough refugees.

[@Wtfukker]

Anarchy is the only solution , it will prevail in the long run as it always has :)

[@nomufftotuff4313]

@Jacky Walsh wacky jalsh

[@jensboettiger5286]

You know, if Estonia and Latvia can be independent countries, then so can Wales

[@hhs_leviathan]

I am from there, I wish it wasn't! The only good thing about it you can very easily leave.

[@telectronix1368]

@Frankly Frank "oppression" does not apply to people in any part of the UK.

[@telectronix1368]

@Frankly Frank "Oppression can be deployed in many various forms and shades." Yes and when it isn't present a nationalist separatist group can make up stories about it to get votes.

[@imanomad557]

They are not independant, they are taking the handouts from Brussels.

[@godawa-d9288]

Plus they are in the EU and the EU wont allow wales back in as 90% of wales voted for brexit so the eu doesn't want that

[@HungarianParagon]

2016 UK: The EU is falling apart, let's leave! 2019 UK: Falling apart.

[@cosifantutte1071]

The EU is falling apart, it is hated throughout the continent

[@ardakolimsky7107]

@@cosifantutte1071 Evidence?

[@duhust9050]

...cancer is a hard pill to swallow

[@Leeuwy]

The paradox is that one of the reasons the EU is stronger and more united than before is because of the UK's intention to leave.

[@ardakolimsky7107]

@@Leeuwy True

[@persimmon93]

UK: We don't want the EU telling us what to do! Brexit! Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland: u wot m8?

[@TheBRFCBEN]

Wales voted to leave though

[@taintabird23]

@@TheBRFCBEN Yes, but 12% of the population of Wales identified as English in the 2011 census. It is safe to assume that most brought their politics with them.

[@thomasdavid7364]

@@taintabird23 Utter cope, the highest voting Leave areas are in the Valleys where basically everyone is Welsh

[@rhob5730]

And? I think it's a separate argument, one that and independent Cymru can sort out.

[@thomasdavid7364]

@@pennantsheepdogs1442 They're still Welsh even if they don't speak Cymraeg

[@christopherhannaford6348]

If you would asked me in 2015 would i want an independent Wales i would have said absolutely not. If you ask me now i would say Yes. It is clear as day that Scotland are going. Wales now needs to make its own future

[@welshgit]

@Smokeango It's better to be in the EU than the UK

[@johnnicolson467]

@@lordzeusourgodoftruthstorm1669 it's rare I read such crap but it was so crap I read it to the end so I could have a real belly laugh.

[@syksgurillion5068]

John Nicholson don't see how it's funny. Muslims worship Allah. They control oil. What do the Welsh control?

[@johnnicolson467]

@@syksgurillion5068 You really are not the sharpest pencil in the drawer.

[@lordzeusourgodoftruthstorm8298]

@Syks Gurrillion nothing is above 'John'. You know what is funny! Soon Black Mus,lims and Chi,nese will over run his little island. He thinks that's not going to happen even though it already has. He's in denial

[@callummcgregorenthusiast5545]

Here's an idea, give independence to Scotland, Wales and England. Reunite Ireland and work from there. People who want in the EU rejoin, share this island as equals. Sounds good to me.

[@callummcgregorenthusiast5545]

AL AL in exchange for the oil, which we "give" to Westminster. If we get financial benefits over you, then this island isn't equal. It isn't equal for Scotland to vote strongly against brexit only for it to be imposed on us, likewise in NI who are genuinely on the brink of the troubles potentially breaking out again. That isn't equality from Westminster.

[@flatpancake2261]

ridiculous that the uk are sqaubling over this little island and scots are imagining scotland to become like a 'new america' when they become independent forgetting that the USA has a bigger 'union' than the EU or the UK as it's land mass is like 20+ UKs.... where's the 'take back control' there?

[@walesdoesntsuck6635]

@@callummcgregorenthusiast5545 You have hardly any oil you moron. Scotts are mongs

[@historicalweeabooandgamead879]

@@walesdoesntsuck6635 Still. It up to them if they want their independent. If they want it. Give it to them only if the Scottish people agreed. Maybe to them, England is like a tow track that draging them off the cliff via Brexit.

[@walesdoesntsuck6635]

@@historicalweeabooandgamead879 We already gave them to opportunity, they voted against it. That was a once in a generation vote, everyone accepted that fact. The only reason all these politicians love the EU is their MEP salary.

[@johnnicolson467]

The UK is breaking up and Scotland will soon be Independent. It also looks like N Ireland will get reunification with Ireland.

[@hatonhatsoff]

Tom G the uk need scottland

[@benjamindavis-rice1548]

Ben Heiman for what?

[@johnnicolson467]

@@benjamindavis-rice1548 For the ability to run our own country

[@lmao.3661]

@@benjamindavis-rice1548 haha imagine losing a quarter of your country lmao couldn't be me fam

[@telectronix1368]

No, Scotland would not have been 'independent' from the resr of the UK. It would have lost political representation, though, while still being inextricably linked to the rest of the UK, its currency, financial policy and decisions, trade..... Like declaring yourself 'independent' from the other half of a tandem bike.

[@chwilhogyn]

Iceland a independent island nation having 1/10th the population of Wales. Question is what has the number of the populous of country hast do with independence?

[@stephenburgess5109]

Dylan Thomas Iceland isn't connected together by another countries road and rail network unlike Wales.

[@chwilhogyn]

European countries that are bordering other nations with population less than Wales! ALBANIA, ANDORA, ESTONIA, LATVIA, LITHUANIA, LUXEMBOURG, MOLDOVA, MONTENEGRO, NORTH MACEDONIA, SAN MARINO

[@seerjc123]

@@chwilhogyn what a staggeringly illustrious line-up of independent states you present....Oh please!! Get real Dylan.... Wales benefits overwhelmingly from its union with England, Scotland and NI...just as the UK does(did) from EU membership. I speak as a Welsh speaking Cymro for the record.

[@chwilhogyn]

@@seerjc123 Dwi'n Gymro fyd! Be sydd mor frawychus o Gymru i gymrud yr awenau i fyd yn wlad sofran hunanbenderfyniad?

[@Mcmotherfuckingrory]

@@chwilhogyn Excellent move...

[@PaulMuzik]

Scottish independence, Welsh independence & a United Ireland.... Problem solved

[@vladescu3g]

And the free city-state of London

[@drench1580]

Paul Muzik and why should ni people be forced to join the republic. Should Ukraine also be forced to become part of Russia?

[@PaulMuzik]

@@drench1580 Ireland was and still is Ireland before the brits moved in.... shame on them

[@AWhileHanlin]

@@drench1580 Weak and useless analogy. The Rupublic state is not attacking N Ireland like Russia attacks Ukraine.

[@taintabird23]

@@drench1580 Nobody will force NI into a united Ireland, it can only be done with consent and agreement. Your analogy with Russia is beyond stupid.

[@greenrachel1005]

support Welsh independence!!! Everyone deserves their own independence!!!!

[@clivedrury8304]

unity is strength ,check your history these islands were never capable of self support,crack pot political dreams will not enrich the poorer areas what is needed is a fairer distribution of wealth and resources.

[@lilbrit1019]

@@HimselfIIam isnt it easier to fix things from the inside then outside

[@HI-gj1qn]

then Cardiff will get its independence from the rest of wales lol 😂

[@sacredpaladin5446]

It feels like the Union is on life support rn

[@johnnicolson467]

The union has long been broken Scotland wants out, N Ireland wants reunification with Ireland Wales wants out if you believe Plaid Cymru so the English nationalists will get what they want.

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

The last colonies of the British empire.

[@kryoboy36]

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 not for long though, Scottish independence polls are past 60%

[@Chirpingcherub]

@@johnnicolson467 Northern Ireland will pull the plug. Wales and Scotland will then go

[@now-semen-up]

Good.

[@hirobeez]

Well, since Brexit was all about "independence", why would that be a surprise?

[@1234smileface]

They said that we in Ireland could never sustain being independent, look at us now. We are doing better than the UK in recent years.

[@TranceElevation]

Don't forget your original language please, is good for the whole of Europe.

[@gloin10]

@Jack The Film Fanatic "That’s bollocks..."? No, it simply is not. Every comparative rating of countries by per capita GNP, GDP, or GNI has consistently placed the Republic of Ireland(RoI) in the top five countries in the world, while the UK struggles to make it into the top 30. "The U.K. bailed Ireland out not so long ago..."? The UK contributed LESS than 10% of the Irish bailout, and that was solely to protect the British financial sector from the risk of systemic collapse because too many British banks had followed the rest of the lemmings and became over-exposed to the Irish mortgage market. More than 90% of the Irish bailout came from the EU, the IMF and the European Central Bank(ECB). "...and the U.K. is still a much bigger a economy than Ireland"? Of course it is. The UK has a population of about 65 million. The Republic of Ireland has slightly less than 5 million. Interestingly, while we have less than one twelfth of the UK's population, our economy is about one sixth the size of the UK's. So we are, relative to population, about twice as rich/productive as the UK.

[@shanehughes3511]

@Jack The Film Fanatic eh ye bailed out Irish banks you idiot. Irish banks that held a lot of UK debt that you didn't want to reach the UK. Ireland paid back all that money to the UK too I should add plus interest. You do know the UK lives off borrowed money? You borrow from the rest of the world and pay back every day. Ireland has 5 million people and has a GDP of 340 billion. England has a population of 57 million and a GDP of 1.8 trillion. Seems we are the ones doing better by that math. We also have better living standards and are growing much faster. Simple fact is the mistreatment of Ireland was the beginning of the end for the union. Ireland always has 1/3 the population of the British Isles. But in the 19th century as Ireland reached 9 million and England 13 million, England realised the Irish and Scots together would take power away from the English in the Union. So ye let us starve to death. I'm not bitter it was a long time ago. But causing Ireland population to fall to 3.5 million in the years after and to then deny home rule in 1912 was the first nail in the coffin. If the English didn't keep the other food we had in plenty in ireland from the poor Ireland would have industrialised, become a major player in the UK and today would have 20 to 25 million people at least. That would make the modern Union a very fair one with Ireland having 25 million, Scotland 5 million, Wales 3 million. So about 40% the population being non English. Instead Ireland left and shrunk. You kept northern Ireland which was too small to be self sufficient and alienated smaller Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. Even in 2019 the Union is unfair as it upholds English power and dominance in politics and referendums etc. No fair system in place. The UK should have become a federal union in the early to mid 19th century with a huge England and huge Ireland balancing the Union. But England stopped that. The future will be a united Ireland of 7 million, an independent Scotland of 5 million and maybe but not gauranteed a free Wales of 3 million too. All 3 states in the EU and competing against England for investment and growth. England has shot itself in the foot and this century will be the death of England's role in the world other than in London. A celtic confederacy in the EU between Ireland, Scotland and Wales seems more possible now than Scotland and the other small nations staying in the EU. I'm Irish and can tell you Scotland being a similar nation to us will do just fine and the EU would support Wales and Northern Ireland too. The EU is planning for both irish unification and Scottish independence in the future. I should also add the island of Ireland will have 11 million by 2050 vs England's 62 million. So even our population is booming faster.

[@gloin10]

@Jack The Film Fanatic What is it with Brixiteers? Your default skill set doesn't include 'Reading for Comprehension', it appears. Please READ what I WROTE! "Every comparative rating of countries by per capita GNP, GDP, or GNI has consistently placed the Republic of Ireland(RoI) in the top five countries in the world, while the UK struggles to make it into the top 30." Please note the 'per capita', as in 'per head of population', or 'economy divided by population'. Economists use this metric when comparing the relative wealth or affluence of different countries. The UK, at best, is the world's sixth largest economy. That will change soon, downwards.

[@shanehughes3511]

@Jack The Film Fanatic youre so dumb. You're going by total wealth.... Its by wealth per capita. India is in the top 10 just behind UK and 90% its people are genuine peasants

[@cymro6537]

2:15 "But it's only about 3 million people - we couldn't run ourselves ." *There are no less than 89 independent countries with a smaller population than Wales* ...

[@Adroyo]

72 of which rely on foreign aid

[@nostear8261]

Let the Smaller nations leave if they wish

[@ycylchgames]

@@drench1580 Not true, it only happens if Westminster allows it and now that it looks like Scotland would become independent after another vote surprise surprise Boris regime wont let the country have a vote. Or northern Ireland.

[@samantha-janehood5045]

Steven Owen Scotland does not need permission. Section 30 is just important because it commits both sides to accept the result. The matter has never been tested in court although is currently on its way as we speak.

[@ycylchgames]

@@samantha-janehood5045 Yes it does, due to the nature of Section 30 Scotlands parliament doesnt have the power to hold a referendum on it's on independence. It was only able to vote last time because the UK government passed the Section 30 order, that essentially temporarily lifted any restrictions on Scotland's ability to hold its own referendum. Scotland could attempt to hold it's own referendum but this would merely be an advisory election and not legally binding. The reason being is that Holyrood can't legislate on ‘reserved matters,’ which are the responsibility of the UK Parliament. Paragraph 1(b) of schedule 5 of the Scotland Act 1998 states that “the Union of the Kingdoms of Scotland and England” is a reserved matter. This means the Scottish Parliament could hold it's own election but it would merely be that, a referendum. I couldn't then go on to declare independence even if it a majority voted in favour of it. A good example of how a non legally binding referendum can turn out is the 2017 Catalonia Referendum, we all know how that turned out. And they wouldn't do this anyway as Nicola Sturgeon has already stated she wont do this, she wants a legally recognised vote. Also, there was no legally binding rule in the section 30 order that stated only one vote could be held in any set timescale, only that a vote had to be held in 2014. That's a popular myth. The Section 30 Order was part of the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement, which was essentially just a basic break down of how and order would play out, the only mention of any timescale was that the vote had to take place in 2014. That's it. Plus all the Section 30 order is, is an order that just temporarily grant's Scotland the power to vote on matters beyond the agreed scope of the Scottish parliament. It's been used 16 times and whether or not the order should be granted is supposed to be democratic and passed in parliament. Basically whenever Scotland asks for the right to use thr Section 30 Order for something, it's supposed to be voted on by MPs in the house of commons. The last time Scotland wanted to vote on Independence it asked Westminster if it could do so and Westminster voted yes. Now, however the UK government wont even allow this vote to take place! The second time Scotland asked Theresa May didnt even let Westminster vote and simply refused, which is exactly what Boris has done again this. Basically, if the Order isnt presented to parliament to be agreed on (which is kind of illegal by the way) there's nothing Scotland can do besides going to court and trying to legally argue that it has the right of to hold a legally binding election itself but I'm pretty sure it would fail since that's not ever been agreed upon by the terms of the union.

[@samantha-janehood5045]

Steven Owen Hahahahaha. You we’re doing so well until you said it would fail. Its tricky for the Scottish Parliament to take this to court because they are the “parliament” not the “people. We have the Declaration of Arbroath 1320. I dont know where we would be without this Declaration and thank god King Robert the Bruce created it. This declaration declares the people of Scotland are sovereign above any parliament and above any Queen/King. Which means we have the right to a referendum if we so wish. A campaigning group (which im a part of) called Forward As One. Has gathered funds of over 40,000 and currently has hired a QC On the “Peoples” Behalf to take this to court. So it is already there. The “People” can challenge this refusal as we can use the declaration of arbroath however Nicola cannot. There is very very little chance we would be refused as WE the PEOPLE of Scotland are Soverign. She could, however, swoop in last minute when this is ruled lawful and use this to move forward on holding another referendum.

[@ycylchgames]

Look I'm not against Scotland having a referendum, you could vote for independence tomorrow if I had my way. But the reality is that the current system sadly doesn't allow for it.Plus trying to use the treaty of Arbroath to justify it is pretty flimsy, its centuries old and written in Latin so its extremely difficult to translate and interpert. I'd image the first problem would like be that the document states the decision is up to the people of Scotland but at the time when documents said 'the people' they were talking about the only people they considered important, that is to say the nobility not the people of Scotland as a whole. That's a modern understanding of the word people.

[@RobertK1993]

Welsh freedom 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Irish freedom 26+6 Scottish freedom.

[@kingofbadgers3019]

This is literally how Brexit started in the first place. "Why do you want to leave," "I dunno I think we'll be better off."

[@telectronix1368]

The fact that the eu referendum and "brexit! freedom despite having no plan or answers!" happened just after the 2014 'indy' referendum (that highlighted exactly the same flaws of nationalist seperatist fantasies) is just embarrassing. Equally, the fact that there are **still** the same unfounded claims made for 'indy' when we are **literally in the mire of all the flaws of 'split froma union with no plan or answers'** is nothing to boast about. It's as if nationalist seperatist campaigns, fueled by manufactured grievances and resentment......are not sound foundations for the future.

[@100geemo78]

But the Welsh would be better off. If Luxembourg, Malta Finland, Switzerland, Ireland etc, etc are all viable, small European nations, then why not Wales?

[@GonzoTehGreat]

@@100geemo78 No, they wouldn't and the examples you mention are evidence of why. If you knew the individual circumstances of those countries you wouldn't make the argument you're making. To a certain extent, geography is destiny, as Wales is much more tightly coupled to England than any of the countries you mentioned are with their neighbours.

[@polwong7716]

@@GonzoTehGreat Our tight coupling to England is exactly what we need to be free of!

[@autohmae]

@@polwong7716 then what ? You do know Luxembourg, Switzerland and Ireland are all doing well in large part because of their banking industry/tax haven. That's not gonna last and adding more countries to that list probably won't work. As we've seen in 2008 the banking sector around the world is already far to big and it wasn't fixed. The next crisis is already looming. The financial sector making money by moving money around is not a basis for a good economy which creates jobs.

[@brizlor]

I'm English and all for Scottish and Welsh independence. The question I have is the house of lords and the crown own more land and money than the people of England Wales and Scotland. So how do these 3 countries divide the assets??

[@gabbar51ngh]

Do what the french did to royals

[@Mo-hc9lc]

Engand gets all assests seen as it pays for all assests

[@theredraven]

@@gabbar51ngh Replace them with a military dictatorship?

[@harrywilliams576]

@@theredraven kill em

[@theredraven]

@@harrywilliams576 And then replace them with a military dictatorship?

[@malikkamal6017]

Why Brexit? Wasnt that Wales that vote for leave in majority?

[@jamied4106]

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/22/english-people-wales-brexit-research

[@agt155]

@@jamied4106 Got to love the Guardian scorning the immigrant vote.

[@jasonfaulkner8644]

The referendum was over three years ago. If Brexit was such a great idea, it would have happened by now. Maybe in the past three years Welsh voters have changed their mind over to a majority preferring to Remain. Honestly, just a guess on my part.

[@Pedantic_Brit]

@@agt155 yeah man, Fuck the guardian, they've spent years cultivating an anti English sentiment.

[@malikkamal6017]

@@jasonfaulkner8644 nah, if that what they thought they should start new wales only-referendum

[@franzsmith1561]

EU to UK: We are Stronger Together UK to EU: No UK to Scotland: We are Stronger Together Scotland To UK:... UK to Wales: We are Stronger Together. Wales to UK: No, I am tired of you. You just bullied me, all this time. If its Brexit, lets be a real Brexit.

[@walesdoesntsuck6635]

We dont want independence from the UK. Scotland voted against it too. Stop agitating

[@walesdoesntsuck6635]

@Alfa&Omega 00000 Dictatorship? Are you even from the UK?

[@walesdoesntsuck6635]

@@samuelmc0123 Barely anyone understands Welsh, they teach it so badly and there is literally no incentive to learn. If you want to gatekeep being Welsh then be my guest, but you'll find that the amount of Welsh people by your stupid definition will shrink rather quickly. I was born here, I've lived here all my life, is that good enough for you idiot?

[@ejones8360]

wales doesnt suck wales doesnt suck 855,200 people in Wales can speak Welsh actually, and they teach it very well in Gwynedd (where i’m from) . Twice in this ‘chat’ you have given your opinion and labelled it as ‘we’ and ‘they’ , don’t speak for others if you have no clue what happens across Wales (places that aren’t your area).

[@mrwelshmun]

I'm in favour of Wales leaving the UK and doing our own thing. We're stronger than the rest of the world gives us credit for

[@macker33]

A girl in the video doubt wales would be able to survive because of the small population of 3 million, ireland managed for years with a pop of 3 million. I think scotland has an advantage over wales because scotland has a lot of oil and gas.

[@DoktorLorenz]

Wales does have one resource in abundance that she already exports to England and that's water. I hope you get yur independence

[@northfolk6991]

You're in an echo chamber... Ireland is a bancrupt State who's national identity has been soldby their own cultural Marxist politicians

[@northfolk6991]

@@DoktorLorenz hmmm, I think you will find that the statistical data does not support your claim!

[@godawa-d9288]

@@macker33 ummm not they dont Scotland gave the oil to England as the English promised the Scottish that they will sat in the eu but once again the english lied to the Scots

[@BNSFGuy4723]

Love me some Welsh independence 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@angrywelshman7207]

@I swing the Hammer of Thor I am Hunter theres only 2 mosques in Wales you twit

[@phx24]

I am Hunter The fuck you on about?

[@Aron-ru5zk]

Angry Welshman there’s actually 40, and just under 4,000 churches

[@juanlucas5649]

Future historians will mark the beginning of the end of the UK on the brexit vote.

[@cueball6969]

The beginning of the UK's resurgence will be marked by Brexit

[@DrSteve660]

@@cueball6969 Dream on. UK is creaking at the seams. Brexit is failing at the ports. Small business face bankruptcy as EU customers are stung for VAT and imports have customs fees. Fishermen can't sell their catch. Northern Irish supermarkets have empty shelves .... At least Scotland and N. Ireland have potential escape routes from this English Tory madness.

[@stevendurrant1724]

Wales is the first and last victim of English imperialism, possibly apart from the English Lower class

[@joebowden4065]

li d working class

[@gaynebula6439]

If you genuinely think imperialism has stopped in other places around the world you're naive. I agree that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have suffered profound neglect within the union, but atrocities like Blair's prove that our imperialism is alive and well around the globe.

[@meadi6510]

China gives the UK criticism over imperialism while they are the biggest empire in the world. They are made up of 54 nations. Tibet is one

[@dean1039]

England isn't even a nation anymore. It has no Parliament, no independent representation, and even flying the English flag is deemed unsavoury. The majority of English people identify as "British" before "English". How can their be "imperialism" from a country that only exists officially and has no identity in the 21st Century. Perhaps it's the English that have been most suppressed by the formation of the United Kingdom.

[@gaynebula6439]

@@dean1039 literally none of what you just said is true, and the idea that England is the most suppressed country in the union is comically out of touch with reality.

[@jackryan2135]

Why not just have every county become its own country. Be a laugh.

[@100geemo78]

@@Jake-vn1hz Why? Every country should run their own affairs. Since the war, scores of countries have left UK rule and not one has ever asked to re-join. Why's that?

[@fka_the_body1542]

😂😂😂

[@FortoFight]

@@100geemo78 "every county".

[@ericafiore1624]

It is time for full Welsh independence.

[@tsarnicholasii274]

No, it isn’t. Because that means crippling austerity and uncertainty for decades and no guarantee that we’ll ever reach the amount of funding that we receive right now.

[@warseeker8122]

Wow, I never actually thought that the welsh really wanted independence but here we are. Support from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿.

[@jonathanhammerton9418]

Wales don't want to leave the UK and neither does scotland!

[@gethcreator751]

None of them do these are just opportunists seizing their best chance

[@bicyclemanNL]

Rachel White - lol, nowhere near a conclusion from any facts or sources of poling

[@bicyclemanNL]

SMEGY 89 - dude, people change their minds

[@richard-gn3es]

It's to scare people into voting for remain partys..

[@threemashup2662]

Union breaking up doesn’t mean the countries will never talk to eachother lol, we will still be allies. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Calleholio]

Free Scotland! Free Wales! And of course a reunified Ireland!

[@Elbe-Citizen]

Sterteböker After step 1 Scotland 2 Wales 3 Ireland you have forgotten step 4 and 5 to make the whole desaster complete. 4. Scotland, Wales and the united Ireland form according to their common culture a United Celtic Union UCU. 5. The UCU begins to start a rebellion in Celtic Cornwall to make also Cornwall want to leave England and become member of the UCU. Then the stupid Brexit nationalists have what they want. A nationalist but tiny and destroyed England that will be overtaken by Islam in the not too far distant future. The so-called "patriot" Johnson is in reality the UK's undertaker. lmao

[@Aron-ru5zk]

wild one 90% of England’s water comes from wales and Scotland, Wales' present export of water to England, from the Elan Valley to Birmingham and from Lake Vyrnwy and Tryweryn to Liverpool, would be worth £4.5 billion a year.

[@chairmakerPete]

Free England. You can all row your own boats. See ya!

[@tsarnicholasii274]

They’re already free you daft twat

[@mrwelshmun]

I think independence can work for Wales. And I want it to happen. But it's not something that would positively change over night

[@stephenburgess5109]

Aron Lloyd try driving flying or going by train from South to North Wales without going into England.

[@gwenstone8171]

Please explain to me how you’d make it work. I’m not trying to be clever or put Wales down in any way but I’m at a loss to understand how you’re going to do it.

[@mrwelshmun]

@@gwenstone8171 we'll build a wall. And England will pay for it

[@stephenburgess5109]

Gwen Stone you would have to move Shropshire and Herefordshire into Wales Shrewsbury is the kingpin to North and South Wales road and rail link it's probably easier to get to London than Cardiff if you live in Wrexham or the North wales coast .

[@johnnicolson467]

Welsh independence 'is on the table kzbin.info/www/bejne/haXSgGirZb1pgqM&lc=z23ox1uabva0ig1tm2hd0sk2ecg1420itp1u5a1ipj00u00c2.1579219928861147

[@davidallen4712]

Allow England an independence vote and they will get what they want.

[@cueball6969]

I live barely 15 minutes away from chequers, but I would like to see Westminster devolve as much power as possible to all constituent countries I believe in small government

[@Inquisitor_Vex]

I read a paper once that talked about how smaller countries, if they can avoid corruption, tend to have more effective and accountable governments. Switzerland was the given example.

[@joshkusiak7613]

People seem to forget wales voted to Leave

[@lisahiggins1876]

Take back control from Westminster wales deserves an equal voice and the right to make our own laws. To say we couldn’t make independence work is wrong, time to have the chance of an Indy Wales!

[@MikaelKKarlsson]

Just don't be shocked if you end up getting occupied.

[@SpitfireMLG]

Wales does make its own laws moron. They have a Welsh Assembly and they sit pro rata in the Westminster Parliament

[@briankelly8297]

Irish independence was won through war. 100 years on its has one of the highest GDPs in Europe. Wales could easily make indepdance a success.

[@jimgilsenan7624]

Ehm, why don't you look at the link you posted? Have you noticed that the Irish debt is decreasing and UK debt is rising?

[@zephergaming4437]

Bessie Belle We are the nation silencing the other nations

[@ironskej]

I live in London having been born here in Newham, one of the most deprived areas of the UK. But I have lived for many years in Chesterfield and Yorkshire. I have heard this 'London gets all the money' debate a million times before. But the simple fact is that it's not true. London gives away far more money that it generates, whilst also generating over double GDP than Scotland (this includes the north sea oil & gas). The education levels are far lower in London, having experienced both London and northern schools personally. I recently moved to a new area with my girlfriend this year, and 7 months after applying for various GPs, I am still on the waiting list. In Chesterfield and Yorkshire it took a day and the hospitals are far better. I live in a 1 bedroom flat, which is about 3-4 times more expensive than a similar size property outside of London, but my wage is the same. All the fancy houses and buildings you see here are privately owned (a lot by people who don't even live in London), not government funded. Although our transport is great, members of my mum's family died building the Tube in the Victorian era as it was a dangerous engineering project in those days.

[@johnnicolson467]

Thank you for proving me wrong......Last week I stated to friends I saw the most stupid comment on Utube.

[@shagforahobnob1432]

West Wales is the poorest part of Europe and London is the richest seems fair

[@philipjones4816]

There is no one talking about Welsh independence in Merthyr. The people in the rally you saw were all bused in and then bused out again. They go around from town to town. Its the same people. The rally was really about staying in the EU. No one was fooled. The Soros-sponsored crowd was largely Welsh-speaking. When they left Merthyr went back to normal again - everyone speaking Polish and Portuguese!

[@TheLewisLegend]

The last part of the sentence tickled me lol very true same here in my part of Wales

[@paulwild4330]

I am declaring my independence at my house. Passport control will be at the end of my garden path.

[@ardeshirkeshavarziarshadi906]

How can I apply for immigration?

[@YDdraigGoch43]

@@ardeshirkeshavarziarshadi906 From your name, Im expecting you're the wrong colour to be in this guys Independent House. That's England for you.

[@ardeshirkeshavarziarshadi906]

@@YDdraigGoch43 You wouldn't know.

[@lindasheard9107]

Got my passport ready! Get the tea on! xxx

[@timehike5645]

Wales don't belong UK

[@Kehua800]

Union - does not work because its not an actual union. To save the UK it needs to be more federal, in the current situation it will break up. I want Scotland to be independent so go on wales

[@Ukfairgrounds]

Wales dose not want independence

[@blameyourself4489]

Wow. Thank you Farage and Rees Mogg!

[@vladescu3g]

When a political game between 2 silly people end up destroying a country.

[@Leeuwy]

Time for a Wexit-party

[@edojaalexander]

Sorry that name is taken by the canadians. Try Welshixt

[@chrismattravers5434]

I think not....

[@jyvben1520]

they would have a Welsh name for this ...

[@夏夢アイ]

I don’t blame Wales. They didn’t put the dragon in the Union Jack.

[@stephenburgess5109]

Is that North Wexit Mid Wexit South Wexit all connected by road and rail by England

[@ifanjones1086]

Seeing A LOT of negative, if not insulting, comments on here regarding Wales becoming independent. I support independence 100% because it’s the ONLY way that we in Wales can free ourselves from the poverty and neglect that Westminster rule has ended us up in. A lot of people are saying that we are stronger together as a United Kingdom, but can anyone explain WHY we’re stronger together? I’m curious to know peoples thoughts.

[@501sqn3]

Ok..... The reason that wales is living in poverty and deprivation is because the billions and billions it gets from England is mismanaged and wasted by the ridiculous welsh assembly!!. England is very much disadvantaged by the union and massively undervalued and disrespected by the other smaller members . But Independence will come to Wales and scotland soon enough and then you'll be able to get and paddle your own canoe...and of course..... Pay for it!!! 😱

[@Asehpe]

It's interesting to think that it took WWII to definitely end the British empire, and apparently now Brexit to start the end of the UK. The parallels almost write themselves.

[@jonjack2754]

Wales voted to leave the EU not the UK

[@asicdathens]

Scotland voted to stay in the EU. They are the first to open the floodgates of dissolution . The Scots were tricked to remain into the UK under the false promise of remaining in the EU during their independence referendum. Also little Britain threatened to veto any attempt of an independent Scotland to begin the process of joining the EU

[@malikkamal6017]

@@asicdathens I believe Scotland should be kick out. They are dragging the entire UK. They contribute little yet receive lot

[@tsarnicholasii274]

That's true, but you need to think about the misinformation spread at the time. Also there's far too many English living in Wales so that contributes too.

[@gloin10]

@@malikkamal6017 " I believe Scotland should be kick out"? You are entitled to believe any nonsense you want. "They are dragging the entire UK. They contribute little yet receive lot"? That claim is complete and utter rubbish. But please feel free to kick Scotland out. Yeah, watch the Scots cower in terror as they take with them almost all the UK's Exclusive Economic Zone, because almost all of it is defined with reference to the coasts of Scotland. Hear them complain as they take ALL the income from the oil and gas fields. Enjoy the gnashing of teeth as Scotland exports huge amounts of renewable energy... I really don't think that you have actually thought this through...

[@tsarnicholasii274]

@@richierich1835 The fuck are you talking about? I'm fine with a few Englishman, but rich bastards buying up multiple houses became it's trendy is something I don't like. If they're doctors fine, but don't buy up houses which native welshmen should have.

[@matthewagland-williams850]

I'm for an independent wales, that's for sure

[@viennic8592]

Thank fuck you are in the minority🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@rosspatterson1233]

Viennic🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧 I’m English and I wish they were the majority. I’ve never come across so much hatred from any group of people before I started talking to the Welsh. I don’t hate all welsh people, but now I’ve had enough of their ignorance. I don’t want to share a nation with them

[@viennic8592]

Only reason I would want an independent wales is to stop immigration from the soon to become Islamic republic of England

[@rosspatterson1233]

Viennic🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧 do you actually know how many Muslims there is in England? It’s really not that many. Could I ask why you don’t want independence? It looks like it’s there’s more desire for it now. And by the way I’ve changed my mind on my original statement. I’ve had mostly negative experiences with welsh people, that doesn’t mean you’re all bad. I like this union, and think it benefits us all. Do you know why some people don’t think that way?

[@rosspatterson1233]

Viennic🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧 I’ve since changed my mind. Welsh people are fuckin great people long live the union and all that

[@mathemer24]

Uruguay has been doing just fine with a population of 3M people.

[@johnhobbes2268]

Who ever is currently running Wales, they haven't done a very goo job in the past. The GDP in PPS per capita of West Wales and the Valleys is just 19.900. This is the same as eastern Slovenia and less then Latvia or Western Slovakia. And almost 20% poorer than Estonia or the poorest German region. So I get the desire for change. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_regions_by_GDP

[@regmunday8354]

On the contrary, Welsh NHS is in excellent shape compared England: and the Welsh govt is currently led by Labour.

[@meihu92]

@@regmunday8354 And it works because the population is so small because nobody wants to live there

[@notorious3058]

@@regmunday8354 have you seen NHS Wales waiting times? They're dreadful

[@tsarnicholasii274]

@@regmunday8354 It’s really not, we just get more money given to us than England does.

[@Crick1952]

Honestly I never thought that Wales could ever get it's population to vote for independence, but if they can do it, more power to them! It's been nearly 1500 years coming.

[@Delogros]

It's not even been 1,000 years... :S

[@TheLewisLegend]

@@Delogros The Romans? and Anglo- Saxon and Scots invasions?

[@Delogros]

@@TheLewisLegend Romans didn't invade Wales neither did the saxons the Britons where client kingdoms, Wales was no annexed until after 1066.

[@Crick1952]

@@Delogros I'm pretty sure it was under Alfred the Great's control during the Danelaw

[@hersirivarr1236]

Delogros Wales was completely conquered by the Romans. Wales, North England and the West Midlands formed the Roman province of Britannia Inferior. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Inferior

[@eg4950]

I'm not from Wales or the UK but I sure as hell wouldn't want the very same people that call me a sheep fucker controlling the political and economic policies of my country.

[@likklej8]

About time Wales was independent.

[@likklej8]

SMEGY 89 don’t know what’s so good about a U.K. I think if countries broke up into smaller units more could be get done locally

[@Headwind-1]

@@likklej8 Can you pay for all of wales yourself though, no subsidies from the uk I mean England

[@Dannydantimpat]

“Cymru am byth “ “Wales forever “ As an Irish person , I can strongly recommend going the independence road .( you will never again look back and you’ll think “ why did it take so long “ Of course the answer to that is , It was mostly Westminster stogies who ran everything with their eyes fixed firmly on Westminster and what “title “ they may get if they towed the line . Ireland had been occupied by the Westminster ruling elite for many years. and then in 1800 the government in Dublin voted to become part of the UK ( yet not one true native Irish person had a right to vote at that time and it was Westminster appointed stogies who agreed to the union. It took us many years to throw off Westminster’s iron grip from most of our country . It was also during this time ( mid 1800’s ) that Ireland suffered one of the great atrocities of Western Europe , “ an gorta mór” ( famine) , when millions died and emigrated , even though there was plenty of food in the country .but pure capitalism ( the markets) couldn’t be interfered with according to the rulers . ( if people must starve to death because of this rule , so be it .”according to Westminster..” So yes , it will take courage , but you will be an independent small fish along with many other small fish , (Ireland , Scotland, and lots of other small countries..) It was only when Ireland joined the EU ( EEC) that we finally managed to shake off the jackboots of Westminster’s enforcers and manipulators The living conditions for everyone improved beyond recognition.. There are of course the usual ups and downs of modern open economies , ie 2008 but Ireland bounced back very quickly again and is once again booming because it was able to make and take decisions for itself in Dáil Éireann. When we were under Westminster rule , it was what was best for the southeast of England and tough on every other part of the “ union” Now , I’m sure that their may be some English people reading this and I want to assure them that we don’t hold the ordinary English people accountable for the dreadful acts of Westminster . Perhaps , some day England will be truly free and independent, not part of any union EU or UK . I do have a feeling however that the England ( land ) we know of today will need to divide into two ( at least ) separate countries as there are too many differences between the north ( more Celtic influences) and south ( more Anglo Saxon influenced) .

[@mrkitcatt2119]

Nah that big dna thing they found the north of England was more germanic/norse so viking saxon mix south more of a germanic saxon lowlands of Scotland the same as the North of England South of Wales was germanic due to influx of flemush settlers

[@mrkitcatt2119]

Oh and I'm Welsh

[@merryjerry4769]

Daniel Cronin perhaps Ireland will help subsidise an independent Wales?

[@skyriderize]

Not just looting all forms of sustenance from the population of Ireland. Their so & so queen dispatched battle-ships/britannica N an attempt to prevent convoys of cargo-vessels from so many Nations delivering all sources of food. Howcome nobody acknowledges this atrocity. A movie describing such barbarity & greed. Not to mention shamefulness will remedy the spectre of dunces abound!

[@Dannydantimpat]

@Ian Jenkins It wouldn’t need any , other than as a new independent nation it would be given lots of help from the established E U nations of which Ireland ( now that its a rich country) contributes to that funding . Ireland benefited hugely. from EU help at the beginning and this allowed. Ireland develop. pretty rapidly. So, no reason the hardworking people of Wales wouldn’t. make their homeland a bright and wonderful place to live . That won’t ever happen under Westminster rule .

[@Theresabrown1805]

Wales I hope you gain your independence I really hope it happens I really do. No more Westminster rule. Love from your Scottish friends in Scotland 🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺

[@jacobmacaree3063]

Imagine sacrificing £, NHS, free movement within the UK etc. For a visa free holiday to Italy. Cause that's literally one of the only main benefits of the EU. If you haven't noticed, if we stayed in the EU, we wouldn't have progressed so well with Vaccination. You're a delusional nationalist that uses the EU as a excuse.

[@jenko1949]

@@jacobmacaree3063 pal, the £ is falling in value so we would happily sacrifice it. The NHS was formed in Wales by a Welsh man. your point about visa free holidays is just a deluded view of brexiteers

[@kristenanderson1730]

The Celtic people have finally achieved true independence from England. As well as the Gaels of Ireland. It is my Welsh, Irish, and Scottish ancestry I am proudest of. The bloody English have held down and suppressed the Celtic people far too long. Particularly the Scots. Sadly unlike the Welsh it has taken this many hundreds of years for Scots to take their own independence. People still ask why Wales is not represented on the Union Jack? Seriously is this still a relevant question? I have always believed in complete independence for both the Celtic and the Gaelic cultures.

[@DoctorCymraeg]

We will win our referendum. ANNIBYNIAETH ✊🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@LordLorenzo834]

Hope so

[@JohnSmith-gj3hg]

Go for it can not wait to see it happen.. please do tell me what will Wales do once inderpendant to support your country..?

[@timehike5645]

wales independent

[@walesdoesntsuck6635]

Wales doesn't want independence, this is just another EU plot

[@robkemp091983]

I bet 100% scottish independence party is financially backed by either the eu , and so will the welsh independence party, they want power taken from the uk, what better way than doing this? Split the country make it weak, put up eu borders on scotland and wales take the land and power, are people blind to this? Were under psychological warfare attacks, they are hoping on our history and battles in the past to split us up

[@mattmcauliffe7126]

I want to renounce my British citizenship and return to the land of my fathers. It would be the greatest tribute I could ever pay to my grandfather. Cymru am byth.

[@clivedrury8304]

No need to renounce citizenship just get on with it and go, theres plenty of room and you will not need a visa.

[@willh1970]

Wales should remember that Ireland in 1916 was overwhelmingly for the Union with the UK. Within 2 years all had changed. That's how quick these things work. Good luck with whatever choice you make.

[@johnjames5587]

Ireland is not independent yet we still have 6 counties to go will

[@taintabird23]

An excellent point. In August 1914, Ireland sought Home Rule, not a sniff of interest independence. By 1924, Ireland had participated in the Great War, had an uprising, fought a war of independence, left the UK, had a civil war and joined the League of Nations. Big things can happen relatively quickly, all that is required is a catalyst...

[@ianhaddit4890]

@@tsarnicholasii274 Silly propaganda. EC membership was Irelands path to prosperity.

[@Theresabrown1805]

As a Scottish citizen I support Scottish independence and Welsh independence and reunification of Northern Ireland with the Republic of Ireland. I have no respect for Westmonster or its elitism rule.

[@dennis12dec]

Have a close look at Singapore to where it is today. We were part of the Malaysian Federation in 1963 after breaking free from British colonial rule but we didn't get the same equal treatment by the elite in Kuala Lumpur for 2 years until we separated on August 9, 1965 and chartered our destiny 56 years later you can see where we are now. Once you broke free from the shackles of Westminster you may follow Singapore's way how we developed and don't hesitate to get advice from us, we are ready to give you a warm friendship and a helping hand the way we got help from other countries during our early years of independence.

[@NorthernCoins]

The northern counties should come together and start to move away from Westminster

[@NorthernCoins]

@Another NPC you know 10 years ago I was laught at for say that now it does sound that bad the north as the same GDP has Denmark and they seem to be doing well

[@paulschannel8959]

Your very welcome to our Independence Group Wales. I’d love to see a Republic of Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 from your neighbor across the pond, the Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@thevelvetsociety]

And what Irish independence group would that be? The one where you take orders from Macron and Merkel?

[@user-hm8wf2jf1h]

Straight White Male Club hey dopey smurf, we’ve been independent for 100 years. We simply TOOK it. Wake up you brainwashed slaves 🤣🤣

[@gethcreator751]

@@user-hm8wf2jf1h you're in the EU that is not being independent

[@clancywiggam]

@@thevelvetsociety I don't think we do. Not like the UK takes orders from the US, poodle bitch dog.

[@smartyjones594]

@Al L more nonsense

[@barbarastevens3053]

Every country should be independent.

[@bca-biciclindcuaxel7527]

United States of Europe FTW ! :)

[@olivernorton6571]

How about independence for craggy island

[@Elbe-Citizen]

That means as a consequence that also East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Mercia, Northumbria, Sussex and Wessex should be independent from England, right ?

[@marcusaurelius2415]

Anglus Patria Anglo-centrists and their arrogance...you wouldn’t be anywhere today without the labour of celts that you’ve shat on for hundreds of years. Your coal was Welsh, your tin was Cornish, your roads and railroads were built by the Irish, your energy comes from the Scottish. The English have exploited the people around them and are now surprised that they hold resentment.

[@edmundoftheangles7977]

No Welsh independence is not "on the table" with the Tories riding high in the polls the UK government will not countenance it

[@SinnedNogara]

Break up England into regional nations and have a Federal UK.

No..each part should find its own way!

[@not_today_satan-wu2ib]

Yes break England north England and south England

[@jasonfaulkner8644]

Dumnonia!

[@jasonfaulkner8644]

Boudica would have Brexited. King Alfred the Great would have united crown, town and gown on the matter. But alas, in 1066 continental Normans took over and thus began 950 years of European immigration and loss of control of the borders.

[@carlosandresmunozalatorre4433]

Better a England independent...A English identity...

[@Shep-nf3wk]

As most Welsh people know Wales could never stand alone.As a Welsh man I would never vote for independence, it’s crazy to think we would be better off.

[@shuramasmusic]

Well said sir. Notwithstanding various govts decisions n problems things are wat they are. Wales cudnt stand alone.

[@ardakolimsky7107]

Good doggy

[@shuramasmusic]

@@ardakolimsky7107 be careful. Push gud doggies n they'll take ya head off. My late doggy wud

[@ardakolimsky7107]

@@shuramasmusic Na...wales is full of lapdogs. No fear there.

[@shuramasmusic]

@@ardakolimsky7107 lol

[@matthewparkes2336]

The major employment in Wales is local government , and the source of the money comes from Westminster. If we have independent there be massive job losses and the only natural resource we have is coal ! And I don’t want to be done the mines!

[@rachaelwatkins9570]

I think we need to. England take our money and use it on England.

[@bujin1977]

I think Carwyn is wrong to say that England will go for independence and kick Wales out. If Scotland leaves and Northern Ireland reunifies with the Republic, the more likely scenario if Wales stays is that it will get swallowed up by England. What's left will be called "England and Wales" officially, but just as with the cricket, that's too long to say so people will just refer to it internationally as "England". Devolution will be clawed back until everything is once again controlled by London. The Welsh Language Act will go along with that so the language will die out. Wales will effectively be a dead nation within 50 years. Maybe less. If Scotland and Northern Ireland leave the UK, Wales will either have to leave or accept its fate. And while I'd love for it to be the former, I suspect the people of Wales are just too politically apathetic to care. By the time they wake up to what's happening, it'll be too late.

[@blameyourself4489]

It's just amazing that it has come to this, all because of some lies about the EU from Farage and Jacob Rees Mogg.

[@robertgriffith8857]

@@blameyourself4489 Lies, what lies? Ah you mean those spouted by Remainers who think that only they had the intelligence to know how to vote in the Referendum. Sorry, losers!

[@blameyourself4489]

@@robertgriffith8857 Unfortunately you don't sound particularly intelligent. I'll give you this much.

[@robertgriffith8857]

Blame Yourself In other words you haven’t got an answer!

[@blameyourself4489]

@@robertgriffith8857 You're not worth an answer, is that answer enough?

[@dropperknot]

Wishful bloody thinking if I've ever heard any. Anybody would think we English have been keeping them under the cosh instead of keeping them afloat all these years.

[@maxstafford60093]

What did you do with all the mineral wealth you stole from them then..,

[@gethcreator751]

It's just misguided hate, England is not problem just London is, London is the problem for us in England too

[@jonathanhammerton9418]

@@maxstafford60093 England stole nothing we kept them afloat all these years!

[@jonathanhammerton9418]

@@gethcreator751 send a few million eu immigrant out of London and put them in scotland! problem solved

[@tsarnicholasii274]

@@maxstafford60093 Paid for it, they were privatised industries owned by Welsh people

[@nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978]

england: i don't want to be part of this group anymore also england: give me special treatment, daddy

[@tomwaller6893]

The Welsh-born voted to remain in the EU. English settlers who now live in Wales voted Wales as a country by 86,000 or so to become a Brexit majority. The people of Wales just like the people of Scotland are aware that Brexit will make us both a lot worse off than England and 'we' in 'our country' are simply not having it. Wales and Scotland can only be members of the EU now as independent self-governing countries. England can do what the hell it wants, but not with the other 3 member states of the UK. Those days are gone.

[@carlosandresmunozalatorre4433]

UK is a political union, not a country....Wales, England, Scotland are countries and they should be independent...And Northern Ireland reunite with the rest of Ireland....It would be a lot better....I would love to see a Independent England and a English parliament....Come on England for a English identity....The countries of the British isles can work together in cooperation.....Regrettably UK has never been so United as they want to show it...This is since before the Brexit...but the reality is that Wales voted for Brexit and they are a minority because a majority want to stay in UK..

[@sparticuzj19]

There are plenty of countries out there with a smaller population that are successful.

[@casperslaststandme5991]

this is true but you will find they share similarities that Wales does not possess, Wales is not a tax haven isn't full of billionaires and doesn't have tropical weather I'm afraid.

[@EliasRoy]

@@casperslaststandme5991 Ireland would like to have a word with you

[@jokester3076]

The UK could have survived if it was restructured as a proper British Federation, England should’ve been subdivided into different provinces each with their own local governments.

[@scootjockey]

England for the English...

[@dylanwalton837]

Yes let all UK nations have own governments.

[@carlosandresmunozalatorre4433]

@Mr. Cheesy Chips the Celts came from the Iberic peninsula to the British isles..

[@henddaer]

All the talk is about legislation and taxes etc. but nobody wants to mention our WELSH culture, something that has been drastically lost amongst years of United Kingdom nationalism and war time rhetoric. It is not about diminishing or even distaste towards the UK, but rather a longing for our own country with it's own vibrant culture and language making decisions on what is best for our country. As it stands Wales holds around 5% of seats in the house of parliament. Our welsh assembly is far from perfect but at least it is ours. It is not about segregation but about localised governing bodies that can better represent its constituents.

[@martindornan1667]

In an independent Wales the Welsh people would be governed by the government that they vote for and not be governed by the government that another country voted for.

[@gazoakleychef]

cymru am byth

[@niknoks7638]

If Wales got independence they’d have nothing else to moan about!

[@maxstafford60093]

I wonder why. Unintentionally perceptive, comrade...

[@YDdraigGoch43]

Well that seems like a very knowledgeable description of the matter.

[@bicyclemanNL]

They can blame brexit of course, after all nothing has to be realistic in our own universe

[@joebowden4065]

Niknoks go fuck yourself

[@SandyTheDesertFox]

I think the union is doomed to fall apart

[@user__100]

Britain killed 4 million Indians in Bengal in 1943 by imposing a famine

[@mickeyhernandez925]

You guys don’t need England.. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@runawayplane6166]

Why does every single Welsh independence argument include Scotland or Ireland? You can’t compare your country with them. They have proper tourism and resources to trade with. Most people outside of Wales doesn’t even know where it is.

[@googlebarbaralernerspectre2581]

Independence for England.

[@ogerpinata1703]

First they lost their Empire, now they are loosing what's left of it...

[@Delogros]

The Empire was exchanged for defeating Hitler, it was the largest by consent and peaceful handing back of an Empire in human history... As for loosing whats left we'll have to see but since Scotland's King became England's and not the other way around technically it's England gaining Independence from Scotland if they decided that way, I doubt Wales would go for independence but whether they do or not I am pro a vote in it if the people are.

[@BlazingBunny]

@@Delogros consent and peaceful handing... oh boy...

[@Delogros]

@@BlazingBunny You obviously haven't read much of the history of Empires, most fall apart in literal rivers of blood, most British colonies where handed back without a need to fight for it after WW1, this is well known history I'm not sure why your pretending it's not :S

[@paulgalligan1916]

@@Delogros you dont know the meaning of the words peaceful an consent get the boat

[@Delogros]

@@paulgalligan1916 Cry me a river, learn the history of what happens normally when an Empire falls apart. when your done crying in the corner feeling sorry for yourself for things that happened before you where likely born.

[@JohnSmith-bx8zb]

The lady at the Red House who said Wales is to small for the EU needs to realise that the Welsh population level would put Wales with a population of 3 million in 21st place of countries in the EU. Luxembourg has a population of 625,000 way lower than Wales and they make it work

[@jackjerram3550]

Why can't the UK be a political union? Wales is better off outside the UK, and so is Scotland (I'm English saying this). Support for a United Ireland is growing which would completely break up the UK.

[@jamesyboy4626]

OH THE UNION IS OVER, OH THE UNION IS OVER ,OH THE UNION IS OVER AND WE DON'T BLOODY CARE!!!

[@Mike_5]

Maybe Independence for Wales but as a condition of that you have to take Jo Swinson as your First Minister

[@owainphillips3793]

@SMEGY 89 Wales is the 17th richest nation in Europe out of 50.

[@owainphillips3793]

@SMEGY 89 There are people in the independence movement that support leave and remain and that can be resolved in an independent Wales.

[@owainphillips3793]

@SMEGY 89 Who are "these people"? Hardly anyone in the video expressed and opinion on the EU at all? Here is a source for my wealth assertion. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_regions_by_GDP I personally support leaving the EU and, providing there is no major reform of the UK, an independent Wales. I would be more than happy with Britain reforming into a federal republic and allowing Ireland the reunify however. For too long has the UK been structured as England and her colonies.

[@owainphillips3793]

@Smokeango ignoring how asinine this comment is Gwynedd would beg to differ.

[@stueymorris]

@@Older_Archer not with Labour they can't

[@James-ym7pw]

Long live the Wales, Scotland and Reunited Ireland, support from the US

[@joshwhittonmusic2381]

Breakdown of Westminster MPs by Country: England: 533 Mps Scotland: 59 Mps Wales: 40 Mps N.I.: 18 Mps Think thats unfair? Theres more! Minimum required number of mps to pass an act of law = 40 Mps Minimum required number of mps to *veto* an act of law = 60 Mps. If the UK was a union of equals, we'd have a uk government based on proportional representation by *country* - not populous, but its irrefutable that Westminster was created and designed to take wealth and resources from 'elsewhere' to where the people in power are. We wont even get into lack of law making powers - as Wales has th least amount of devolved law making powers of the 4 countries in the union. The Welsh practice something called: Chwarae Teg - which means 'Fair Play', to empathise and recognise we are of two different worlds but to come together at a 'mutual plane', to both grow as peoples - to call you my family and vice versa, to work together for mutual benefit... Just, Westminster by design was never made to be fair - just extort the resources from one place to another because a false monarch to these isles designed a system to say so [Owain Glyndwr was the last prince of Wales]. Os ydych am Annibyniaeth - rhoi i mi UFFERN IE! Cymru Rydd!

[@ddrid854]

hello welsh friends from France! we love you and I can assure you that all other europeans I spoke to (Italians , Germans , Spanish....) all love you and would welcome you in the european family!! and so we welcome the scots!! in the end England deserves being alone!!!

[@SpitfireMLG]

Anthony Burke Most Welsh people live in England now because there’s no economy there. My dad is Welsh and his family moved to England when he was a child. My dad’s welsh and voted for Brexit in England

[@jane2166]

I’m welsh. I want OUT of the EU along with all the other brexiteers in the rest of the UNITED KINGDOM 🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@jane2166]

Spitfire 2 back up rubbish. Plenty of people making a decent living in wales

[@jane2166]

Anthony Burke oh jeez you’re one of those ..

[@jane2166]

And when we’re down to England and France and Scotland and wales and Northern Ireland let’s all go for counties as independent countries as well. Why stop? It’ll be amazing

[@johnstreet8240]

English independence please.

[@laurenceraran4027]

Edward I and Henry IV are rolling in their graves.

[@Mr44andMore]

Wellington's Boot Owain Glyndwr is singing

[@laurenceraran4027]

Damn straight he is.

[@gabbar51ngh]

Hopefully UK breaks up.

[@HaroldWilson67]

Stronger together 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@mutav2166]

Commie. ONLY FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!

[@EliasRoy]

This is better. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@dianesicgala4310]

This is so sad. I have always missed England. Grew up East Anglia. Married a young American in 1969. I never thought it was a good idea joining the E. U. Way back in 1972 I believe. I had a very good childhood and teenage yrs. Northeastern Pa. saw more poverty. I had to work very hard to own a house. Culture shook when I came to the U.S.

[@jekkareighner]

To be honest, if Wales were able to move into a more economically viable spot suited to Wales over the UK, with more devolved powers, the economic arguments fizzle away. There is no reason for Wales to continue this way as a lot of the history is anglo-centric, a lot of the system has been set up to benefit London and it's suburbs and it will always be neglected when Westminster has 56 million to worry about in England over 3 million in Wales. It's simple, more of the same doesn't fix anything. Independence is a potential answer to that. Another potentially would be the decentralisation of power from Westminster/London. Any solution to this will be disruptive.

[@davidthewhale7556]

Finally the British empire has blown itself up

[@FarsightAE]

Brexiters: We want to leave the EU! We are stronger alone! Also Brexiters: Scotland, NI and Wales should remain in the UK! We are stronger together! Wat. So they want to leave one union because they think that makes the UK stronger, but they dont want others to leave their union because it will make the UK weaker. Dat logic tho.

[@Delogros]

@Mr. Cheesy Chips You seem to be forgetting the London and Westminster are massively pro remain not leave... What you said therefore doesn't make any sense in relation to the OP's post.

[@wolf4938]

Camon get out from London politics. Get separate congratulation Wells do it guys. 👍👍👍

[@angrywelshman7207]

Anyone fancy a Celtic Union of the Welsh, Irish and Scots etc?

[@Kerys23a]

I've been to all the Indy marches and I can tell you none of us in the Independence movement hate the English what we despise is Westminster I can't speak welsh but feel welcome within Plaid and the wider Independence movement.