2 videos in the same month, what's going on?! In this video I look a topic which is surprisingly controversial: BC/AD or BCE/CE? As stated in the video, I received backlash for using BCE/CE in a video in 2017. While some of the comments were needlessly insulting, many also raised some interesting points. The more I looked into the subject, the more I began to come around to the opinion that BCE/CE seems unnecessary, and doesn't really do what it set out to do - remove reference to Christianity. I'm interested to hear some of your thoughts and opinions on the matter. I know many think that this is a complete non-issue, and yeah, that's fair. I don't really think it's all that big of a deal, but I thought it was interesting topic at the least. Link to orginial video that made me aware of this whole controversey: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKmXh5eEhc2JY5Y Thanks for watching!
@zacharyhandy96065 жыл бұрын
I use bce:ce
@theart-theist60495 жыл бұрын
I think people should use BCE and CE, I'm atheist, why on Earth would I agnolage some fake wizard named Christ, nor should I be forced to use it, just because old people are used to always being able to boss around other people with their religion. Think of it from my perspective, if I don't believe in "Christ" then what on Earth would I be saying if I say before Christ or in the year of our Lord.
@kookvik5 жыл бұрын
I'm just surprised with the quality of videos and the dedication you put in, I just want to say thank you, keep it going. :D
@SumDumGai55 жыл бұрын
@@theart-theist6049 Fuck your perspective.
@davidp25375 жыл бұрын
The Art-Theist Your entitled to your opinion but us Christians really have much proof of Jesus Christ, I don’t have it in my mind right now but search up some debates and preaching and the evidence are substantial. Let us use our only way to talk to atheists by having a way to show them the years. Also if us christians are forced to learn evolution then why don’t you guys just accept using BC/AD
@navtium5 жыл бұрын
I propose a compromise. We should use either: BCE/AD or BC/CE That way we piss off everyone and we can all be miserable together.
@Abdisa-sj2fq5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@dragiblast51285 жыл бұрын
HOW DARE U MIX THE TWO!!
@theophanyfd54225 жыл бұрын
Get this man a fucking happy meal 👏👏👏
@goyonman96555 жыл бұрын
You sir are a genius
@DanishCamp5 жыл бұрын
Let's do the last one so be have to type less letters then.
@Catishcat5 жыл бұрын
In Russian it's simply "before our era" and "our era", if directly translated. wait OH GOD DAMN IT THIS WAS AN UNINTENTIONAL COMMUNIST JOKE
@Thrna_15 жыл бұрын
It is our era comrade!
@liamnacinovich82325 жыл бұрын
Let me guess we’re in year 102 of our era right now
@sudonim75525 жыл бұрын
"Common Era" ❌ "OUR Era" ✔️✔️☭☭
@reginaldbentworth91595 жыл бұрын
am i the only one still looking for his joke
@Artur_M.5 жыл бұрын
It's the same here in Poland. Despite our image as super conservative Catholics (which I don't think is 100% true, but that's another topic). So yeah, I don't really see the issue too.
@TheNathanchavez965 жыл бұрын
Just waiting for everyone else to catch up to my level and use BBY/ABY.
@1701spacecadet5 жыл бұрын
Totally agree!
@Bronasaxon5 жыл бұрын
I understood that reference! (Star Wars)
@beph135 жыл бұрын
I use this on all my history papers and I get points off, smdh when will colleges catch up to Galactic Imperial Units? I also convert dollars to the Galactic Credit Standard like ₹300 for a good wookie fur coat, and I use the Standard Galactic Coruscant Calendar (10 months a year, 7 weeks per month, 5 days a week, plus the 3 festival weeks and 3 holidays for 368 days total). People think I'm weird but I'm just ahead of the game amirite?
@1701spacecadet5 жыл бұрын
@@beph13 👆 this guy gets it!
@thegreatbutterfly5 жыл бұрын
But how do you know how to convert to that system? You would have to know when the Battle of Yavin took place, and the movies and books never tell us, except to say that it was "a long time ago." My gut tells me you would need a _really_ high number for the year.
@KhAnubis5 жыл бұрын
I only use BC/AD because it's what I originally learned, and I actually agree with the sentiment that BCE/CE is a poor attempt at fixing a problem I think doesn't exist. That being said, I have no problem with others using BCE/CE, just please don't yell at me for using BC/AD.
@andrewwinslow93155 жыл бұрын
Love your vids KhAnubis. I agree 100%
@devinhigoy2215 жыл бұрын
I agree its not really a big deal if you use BC/AD or BCE/CE .
@markpapenfuss11115 жыл бұрын
This is my sentiment. I would also add “also don’t pretend your more intellectual than me because you use BCE/CE”.
@MatthewTheWanderer5 жыл бұрын
@@markpapenfuss1111 And don't get mad at people for using BCE/CE, then. At the beginning of this video, most of the comments shown were opposed to BCE/CE, calling it "heresy" and "revisionist" like idiots.
@ilo34565 жыл бұрын
@@MatthewTheWanderer I personally have never gotten mad at people over it, it irks me and annoys me to high hell sure, but honestly I don't see why we should take Christianity of a system made by Christians, it is never going to get anywhere and we just end up with a slightly more annoying system that has the same religious origin but with a slightly less pretty coat of paint. XD
@cerberaodollam5 жыл бұрын
nah. -2019 and +2019. easy.
@PokeNebula5 жыл бұрын
This man is the only wise one in a sea of fools
@15098D5 жыл бұрын
Nani!?
@abdisaniini5 жыл бұрын
Now this guy gets it
@doublex855 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, that's perhaps a bit misleading, as the next year after 1 BCE is 1 CE, there is no year 0, unlike the integers.
@PokeNebula5 жыл бұрын
Make a year zero.
@JontyLevine4 жыл бұрын
"Just look at the days of the week. Most are named after Roman or Greek deities." Norse gods: Am I a joke to you?
@MaceLupo4 жыл бұрын
He meant the planets and not the days.
@vladprus40194 жыл бұрын
Germanic gods are here only becouse English just switched Roman gods to their Germanic counterparts. Iike Day of Venus = Day of Freya = Friday or Day of Jupiter = Day of Thor = Thursday
@MaceLupo4 жыл бұрын
@@vladprus4019 What do you mean? It is not only for the english but also here in germany that the days are named after the germanic gods. But yes, the roman god counterparts also play a role in that somehow. Like monday the day of Tyr or Mars.
@vladprus40194 жыл бұрын
@@MaceLupo Well, I should say "Germanic people" instead of "English". I do not know German.
@MaceLupo4 жыл бұрын
@Matteo Tironi Which is the original week and how do we know?
@enbychichi5 жыл бұрын
What year is it? 356 BC? What BC mean? Before Christ Who's Christ? I don't know
@bencevarga35085 жыл бұрын
Checkmate atheists! :D
@Niom_Music5 жыл бұрын
pretty rad pony This is so shitty without the pictures
@junwang56965 жыл бұрын
What year is it? 356 BCE? What BCE mean? Before Common Era What's Common Era? I don't know
@enbychichi5 жыл бұрын
@@Niom_Music ikr
@fpsgod30285 жыл бұрын
junhao Wang checkmate christians?
@liamcolvin58755 жыл бұрын
8:35 who tf writes an E like that lol.
@AndrewVasirov5 жыл бұрын
Must be a Chinese or a Japanese. They usually write the horizontal strokes first then the vertical ones.
@hypeninja47865 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewVasirov that makes zero sense, considering that the entire paper is in english
5 жыл бұрын
@@hypeninja4786 People can learn other languages besides their native. People tend to use their writing habits from their native when writing in other languages.
@AndrewVasirov5 жыл бұрын
Hype Ninja So what? The entire comment section is in English. It doesn't mean that we have to use the same writing techniques like what people use in the UK or other English-dominant country. There are even more ways to write the cursively Latin alphabet too! I also make the E like that and something similar happens with my t, T and + (plus sign). When learning their writing systems, I began using this method and honestly my writing is more beautiful than what it used to be and people have an easier time to understand it. But that is beside the point, what matters is that he got the answers right!
@chase11465 жыл бұрын
People who feel the need to correct something that’s right either way
@alabaster60055 жыл бұрын
I use AC⚡DC because Im Thunderstruck
@mendel75755 жыл бұрын
Well played!
@kaioocarvalho5 жыл бұрын
That's literally what we Brazilians do. "Antes de Cristo" (before Christ) and "depois de Cristo" (after Christ).
@matthew81535 жыл бұрын
Dave I’ve been looking for this comment.
@jears5 жыл бұрын
@@kaioocarvalho I want to move to Brazil now
@harbingerofsalt5 жыл бұрын
Music⚡Band
@Nick-kz6dg5 жыл бұрын
"Backwards Chronology" and "Ascending Dates" is actually really clever! Names the years AND explains the separation in one.
@MrNateSPF5 жыл бұрын
"Before Counting" and "Advent of Dates" ;-)
@Jame5man5 жыл бұрын
Lindy Beige is fantastically clever
@josephsheldon85825 жыл бұрын
Gotta love his unchecked English bias in regard to the French. Very amusing videos
@digitool59445 жыл бұрын
that sounds even worse
@_robustus_5 жыл бұрын
It allows two sides to consider their themselves to have won with nobody actually changing the letters.
@thehoosher93225 жыл бұрын
I propose: Before Ya Boi(B.Y.B) After Ya Boi(A.Y.B)
@randomguy2634 жыл бұрын
Can't we just short it to BB and AB?
@pauljones30174 жыл бұрын
@@randomguy263 : No.
@kthayer6843 жыл бұрын
Use BYOB and hum System Of A Down tracks at the same time. :-)
@hierarchyofroyalty66953 жыл бұрын
@@randomguy263 But what would the year Ya Boi be then?
@islooboyrashid59275 жыл бұрын
I thought it was about Tesla and Edison rivalry and AC/DC
@preettygoood77745 жыл бұрын
BACK IN BLACK. I HIT THE SACC.
@Chaika19745 жыл бұрын
BACK IN BLACK. I HIT THE SACC.
@dolantrimp16915 жыл бұрын
Why would an electric car company have a rivalry with a utility company? Wouldn't you need Edison to supply power to charge a Tesla?
@pepsdeps5 жыл бұрын
In spanish it actually is "Antes de Cristo y Después de Cristo" so it actually is AC/DC
@sohopedeco5 жыл бұрын
@@pepsdeps In Portuguese too! Antes de Cristo e Depois de Cristo.
@Trinity_Primaris5 жыл бұрын
2 videos in 2 weeks?? Wonderwhy is on a roll!
@joseph-sj5qj5 жыл бұрын
I... WonderWhy?
@ShadoZP5 жыл бұрын
@@joseph-sj5qj you've ruined my day
@devinhigoy2215 жыл бұрын
.
@PinkENBlue5 жыл бұрын
@@ShadoZP stfu puns are life
@billywhitmore57845 жыл бұрын
Everyone at 8:35, "Who writes the letter E that way!?" Me at 8:35, "Hey you idiot, Henry VIII had six wives, not seven!"
@AvrahamYairStern4 жыл бұрын
I noticed the 7 with a tick next to it as well.
@Inescapeium4 жыл бұрын
The teacher needs to learn history
@andalilbitqueer3 жыл бұрын
Teacher couldnt even write sentences right. Who are Napoleon's last defeat and battle and how did the latter lead?
@estren43 жыл бұрын
7 wife's is ok but bc is not, get out of here lol
@billywhitmore57843 жыл бұрын
@@estren4 I'm definitely on team BC/AD, not a big issue really but that's what I learnt, and new ones always trip me up. 😂
@lucaselting29465 жыл бұрын
I personally prefer AC/DC
@daltonmiller55905 жыл бұрын
Alive Christ / Dead Christ?
@igamingmp15265 жыл бұрын
After Christ / Dead Christ
@josephang99275 жыл бұрын
Anti-Christian Era / Decent Christian Era
@ls2000765 жыл бұрын
@@josephang9927 doomed
@dillonharrison14555 жыл бұрын
I only like it when I am drunk... But still works... We're ALL "... on the highway to hell" Particularly those snowflake "Christians". SMH !!! REMEMBER Matthew 25 !!! selfish, self-diluted, jerks.
@angusyang59175 жыл бұрын
And then Kurzgesagt tries to popularize the holocene era calendar. Edit: popularize is a better term than introduce.
@GuiSmith5 жыл бұрын
Angus Yang Easier to use than the backwards counting system!
@Jay-kx4jf5 жыл бұрын
@@GuiSmith thats the one thing i hate about BC.
@angusyang59175 жыл бұрын
@@TheBabaloga yeah, popularized would be a better term, I used "introduce" because kurzgesagt is such a huge channel, so they have a prominent presence on youtube, and I think that's probably where many people here learned about the holocene era system.
@williamnorris61845 жыл бұрын
It's not an era..
@Demostravius5 жыл бұрын
As of 2021 there is a good chance we officially move to the Anthropocene.
@user-yk7dc9hu2k5 жыл бұрын
Neil degrass Tyson talks about this on Joe Rogan. He uses BC/AD because the Catholic church created it and that's what THEY used. He also recognizes that it is an impressive marvel of science (the calendar) and so the people who created it should get credit
@genessab5 жыл бұрын
Scout i just use the academic notation because I always try to use academic notation :/
@ruifigueiredo54865 жыл бұрын
@John Toas just because god might not be real doesnt mean we should take away the achievements of the church
@user-yk7dc9hu2k5 жыл бұрын
John Toas Man U sound angry. Calm down bud. Just because Roman Catholics created one of the most important inventions of human history that we STILL USE TO THIS DAY UNCHANGED doesn't mean you have to get super butt hurt
@GenMaj_Knight5 жыл бұрын
@John Toas lol ok edgelord, "because Amazing Atheist told me so grrrr"
@sailor75375 жыл бұрын
@John Toas Don't cut yourself on that edge.
@ramg21125 жыл бұрын
AC/DC in portuguese!!! ("Antes de Cristo"/"Depois de Cristo"). 'cos we rock, of course!
@davidozab27535 жыл бұрын
Ok, that's the best one by far!
@kaziiqbal72575 жыл бұрын
🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘Does Portuguese have an equivalent to BCE/CE as well?
@andrewwinslow93155 жыл бұрын
Best system!
@kaioocarvalho5 жыл бұрын
@@kaziiqbal7257 No, we only have AC/DC, so this debate doesn't even exist here in Brazil.
@profilepicture8285 жыл бұрын
That’s ãmãzing
@Corporis5 жыл бұрын
I had no idea about the use of "christ/Christ" as a title as opposed to a name. Fascinating
@MateusAntonioBittencourt5 жыл бұрын
His name was Yeshua (Jesus). Christ was a title... Since he didn't had a last name... people identified him with the name of his father, Yeshua ben-Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph), or where he was from... Yeshua haNotzri (Jesus of Nazareth). Like people say Leonardo da Vinci, da Vinci is not a last name... just the city he's from... Vinci. Later people called him HaMashiach Yeshua (The Christ Jesus or The Messiah Jesus), Like "The King Edward". Christ meaning "the anointed one". BTW... Christ and Messiah are the same thing. Just that Christ is Greek and Messiah is Hebrew.
@drewbucher42105 жыл бұрын
Christ comes from the Greek title to describe the Messiah afaik
@6zeekoe95 жыл бұрын
Both the Hebrew Messiah and the Greek Christos mean “anointed one”.
@D_Marrenalv5 жыл бұрын
Mateus Bittencourt: Very good & accurate explanation. To me & to my generation, all that you wrote is & was "common knowledge", since this was something all of us (and our ancestors) grew up learning & just knowing, whether we were very religious or leaned secular. But now we live in a much more secular, hedonistic, and increasingly ignorant world (ironically so), so I find more and more that this has to be explained, most especially to Millennials & those younger.
@Seethenhagen5 жыл бұрын
That would be why there is a such thing as "Anti-Christ" much like Anti-Popes and Anti-kings. This is why there is no one "Anti-christ" but rather anyone who seeks to represent themselves as "Christ" instead of Jesus being the Christ. A lesson within the text of christianity is to always be ware of those who proclaim themselves as the sole arbiters of god or existence.
@misseli13 жыл бұрын
One point I'm glad you brought up is how saying BCE/CE repeatedly can trip someone up, while there's little confusion when someone says "BC" vs "AD." There's also the fact that BC/AD flows better. By contrast, while saying "BCE" or "CE" the speaker has to make an awkward voice stop between the "cee" sound and the "ee" sound.
@MichaelSidneyTimpson5 жыл бұрын
BC can just mean "Before Common (Era)" and AD can just mean "After Dat"
@joel76475 жыл бұрын
ad means anno dominni
@redwings1645 жыл бұрын
r/woooosh
@stefanetienney26665 жыл бұрын
@@joel7647 wooooooosh
@stefanetienney26665 жыл бұрын
@@inactive6200 Okay.
@novalyfe692 жыл бұрын
@Delta i dont see whats an L about that
@jacobchurchwardtruered1165 жыл бұрын
I wrote a paper that switch between them my teacher got angry and said "just use one I dont care witch one but one!" It was pretty funny.
@alejandropinedarojas485 жыл бұрын
I would have give you a 0% grade.
@carteradams435 жыл бұрын
@@alejandropinedarojas48 a little dumb. he wrote the rest of the paper
@diegonatan63015 жыл бұрын
@mPky1 yeah, and if he wrote witch in his paper we should even burn the paper! Burn all the witches!
@jo-jowei61475 жыл бұрын
If I was a teacher and had seen that you did that, I would begin to suspect that you plaigerized the paper. I'm not implying that you did in reality, but if I was a teacher I would be concerned because using two different dating systems like that could lead me to think that you took the words directly from your sources including the preffered terms.
@mendel75755 жыл бұрын
My homosexual sociology professor marked me down for using BC.
@elmohead5 жыл бұрын
As a dinosaur person, I'm more familiar of MYA.
@boilledwater_33065 жыл бұрын
Million years ago?
@elmohead5 жыл бұрын
@@boilledwater_3306 yes
@FuliCuddlesFangirl5 жыл бұрын
elmohead Or you can use MB/BM MB = Memes began BM = Before memes
@FuliCuddlesFangirl5 жыл бұрын
Emperor Of Wall 2000
@thehoosher93225 жыл бұрын
My Yummy A*s
@IkeSan5 жыл бұрын
Wow what an upgrade in your editing. Great video as always Wonder Why.
@devinhigoy2215 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@sailingwhisper1495 жыл бұрын
Taking advantage of Skillshare most likely ;)
@wolf71155 жыл бұрын
I prefer BC/AD because I'm lazy and it requires less effort to say or type.
@Hopesedge5 жыл бұрын
If you say C like SEE then you can just say B SeE and SeE. That's make make things even more controversial.
@AndrewVasirov5 жыл бұрын
Ironic, using the Christian way because you're indolent. Sloth is one of the seven deadly sins, cousin.
@Qumayopotatosalad5 жыл бұрын
Andrew Vasirov and so? Some of us ain’t Christian.
@ryanratchford25305 жыл бұрын
Should just do B/ A Before After
@Evenst3vn5 жыл бұрын
I'm an atheist and couldn't care less about the Christian reference.... I'll choose BC/AD every time.
@squashgoogolplex93925 жыл бұрын
Is a year like, a week now?
@deet0109mapping5 жыл бұрын
I prefer B.C. and A.D., but I don’t mind B.C.E. and C.E., because it’s just the same numbered years with different names for eras.
@ergegr82105 жыл бұрын
Yeah, same here. I'm just tired of people trying to push BCE and CE on me.
@dolantrimp16915 жыл бұрын
I'm with BBY/ABY.
@HeyWhatAShiteUsername5 жыл бұрын
Nicholas McKay wE LIvE iN A sOCieTY
@ergegr82105 жыл бұрын
@@fios4528 I'm an atheist. I just think that it's completely unnecessary to change it. Besides, BC/AD is strategically better, because BCE and CE sound similar anyways.
@deeznutz321085 жыл бұрын
@@ergegr8210 I agree and I'm also an atheist
@Inescapeium4 жыл бұрын
Lmao I was taught that BCE and CE also meant Before Christ Era and Christ Era.
@e9cw1963 жыл бұрын
Lol
@kthayer6843 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@laique87973 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Breakfast2215 жыл бұрын
BTW in case you're curious about the days of the week: Sunday - Obviously, Sun day. Monday - Moon day Tuesday - Tiw's day (Norse god) Wednesday - Woden's day (Odin's day, Norse god) Thursday - Thor's day (Norse god) Friday - Freya's day (Norse goddess) Saturday - Saturn day (Roman god)
@pellaw80115 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Didn’t know so many days were based on Norse gods.
@trident11255 жыл бұрын
didn't know Tyr was also called Tiw
@karenlimongelli17185 жыл бұрын
knew all this besides Tuesday
@mendel75755 жыл бұрын
Maybe Jews should get on changing the days of the week too. I am sure people would be foolish to object.
@DanishCamp5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Danish Vikings for giving the unbelievers danish weekdays. Mandag, Tirsdag (God tyr) Onsdag (God Odin) Torsdag (God Thor) Fredag(God Freja)
@cameroncaws85065 жыл бұрын
BC/AD or BCE and CE.Forget that the year is 2772 AUC. Long live the Roman Empire.
@TU-mf2ut5 жыл бұрын
Death to the Empire! Restore the Republic!
@boilledwater_33065 жыл бұрын
@@TU-mf2ut Death to the dictatorship! Restore the Soviet Empire
@TU-mf2ut5 жыл бұрын
@@boilledwater_3306 a few centuries too early, chap
@boilledwater_33065 жыл бұрын
@@TU-mf2ut yeah I know, *chap*
@HVLLOW995 жыл бұрын
Hah!
@drjong26515 жыл бұрын
I always went with BCE/CE in high school (despite being a religious school) as a pretty secular person myself, but honestly this video made me realise just how unnecessary and forced that change is. It does seem incredibly disrespectful of the early Christian scholars who devoted their lives to historical records, with the only motivation to change being Jews and modern atheists (like myself for that matter). Seems like a similar issue to saying 'Prophet Muhammad' when talking about the Muslim prophet, I'm not a Muslim but it still seems like a necessary sign of respect for history and religion.
@fluffly36064 жыл бұрын
@PuraguCryostato, I'm (mostly) an atheist and I capitalize God when referring to the Abrahamic God, for several reasons
@IcejjfishTbone3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention both Christians and Muslims both believe Jesus is the messiah. This change had no purpose what so ever and really annoys me at times, because the only reason they are doing this is to remove the back ground which in turn just throws someone’s life work in the bin. Personally I’m Christian, I have no problem with BCE or CE, but as the points brung up in the video, there is no point, they are to similar, a bit to long when reading all day. Honestly, they got it right the first time with BC/AD it ain’t broken
@mhk69433 жыл бұрын
@@IcejjfishTbone If a non-Muslim doesn't want to say "Prophet" Muhammad then he doesn't need to because he doesn't believe him to be a prophet. It's a similar issue with AD as it implies your saying Jesus is your Lord. I know it seems trivial but for some people it really has a big meaning if what you use contradicts what you believe.
@JackDSquat3 жыл бұрын
@@mhk6943 atheists use the Lord’s name in vain by saying “oh my God” all the time even though they don’t believe in him
@mhk69433 жыл бұрын
@@JackDSquat That's an Atheist. I'm talking about the perspective of a Jew and Muslim.
@TrialByDance5 жыл бұрын
I use them interchangeably and I really don't care at all.
@ThePhoenixMapper5 жыл бұрын
Yo
@tacticalfall45055 жыл бұрын
I just use BC/AD all the time since I’ve always done that, but I don’t really care which one I end up using either.
@Aiba2715 жыл бұрын
Same!
@osric17305 жыл бұрын
Yeah you would if you were expected to say the Year of Mohammed Peace be Upon Him wouldn't you?
@videogamebomer5 жыл бұрын
@@osric1730 No itll pretty much stay be the same. But keep strawmening
@ilFrancotti5 жыл бұрын
AC/DC in Italian - Avanti (before) Cristo/Dopo (after) Cristo. Or just get back to use Rome's foundation as the beginning.. 753 BC.
@sciblastofficial98335 жыл бұрын
ilFrancotti Me: What's your favorite year? King David of Israel: 1000 BC. What's yours? Me, an intellectual: 2772 AUC David: What's AUC? Me, an intellectual: It stands for "from the Founding of the City" David: What city? Me: It's Rome. You know, that city in central Italy. David: What's Rome? And what's Italy? Me: ...
@DanishCamp5 жыл бұрын
That's Dopo man. Dope.
@tacokoneko5 жыл бұрын
actually i think i prefer "third year of the presidency of Donald Trump"
@3st3st775 жыл бұрын
@@tacokoneko Yeah, but then let’s also write our dates as: “2 days before the 5th day of January”. That would solve all the problems.
@Ratich5 жыл бұрын
It's also before Christ and after Christ in Greek (Προ Χριστού, Μετά Χριστόν)
@haasholistic99795 жыл бұрын
If you're going to use Christ's birth as a starting point, you might as well use BC/AD and refer to Christ.
@cmconley334 жыл бұрын
I think you missed the point. Using Jesus’ estimated date of birth to establish eras is an explicitly Christian idea that has become widespread due to the influence of largely Christian nations over recent global history-prior to wide-scale globalization, BC/AD was common only in Europe and European colonies. Would surprise you to know that the first 8 months of the year 2020 are year 5780 in the Jewish calendar, and the last 3 months will be 5781? Muslims also have a different year, based on Mohammed. The Mayan calendar has a different year-and yes, descendants of the Mayans do live in Mexico. The Gregorian (Christian) calendar is just used a common, international reference, in the same way that English is the international language of aviation. Finally, maybe you didn’t hear the part about “Christ” not being a name, but a title similar to “Messiah.” Non-Christians do not deny that Jesus lived, preached, and was killed. We’re just not sold on his divinity. So maybe you could take BC/AD and make it “Before Jesus and “After Jesus.” This has exactly the same meaning, but leaves the subject of human divinity out.
@defaultusername11454 жыл бұрын
@@cmconley33 I mean why does it matter BCs time isn’t even right considering Jesus was born in 6 BC and no one even knows what AD means so I wouldn’t understand how that could offend people
@cmconley334 жыл бұрын
Colton Moore I’m not sure anyone *really* knows when Jesus was born; Roman Empire record-keeping in Judea were a bit sketchy-as they were in all outlying areas of the empire. As to your second statement, AD means “Anno Domini,” or “year of our Lord” in Latin. So I can see how AD is not exactly neutral; that said, I’m Jewish but am not offended by it. AD was thought up by historians from largely Christian cultures. So it is nothing more than a reflection of their culture.
@defaultusername11454 жыл бұрын
@@cmconley33 that’s kinda what I meant BC isn’t even the right time and ask people on the street what AD means they won’t say that
@seanvasquez5233 жыл бұрын
@Sean Gibbons, This means that Jesus was born a few years before Jesus. Yeah this is why I just don't agree with this system at all and just go with either astronomical year numbering where the current year is +2020 and it has a year 0 on the BC year 1 BC or the Human Era which is based on the start of the Holocene era in the Holocene calendar which has a year 0 and that the current year is 12,020 HE.
@julkohon5 жыл бұрын
It's interesting. Where I come from (Ukraine), we say 'our era' and 'before our era'. There is, however, a pretty outdated way to say anno Domini in ukrainian, but it is not used widely (especially after soviet years). In schools we are taught to use BC/AD in English. So it was a bit confusing for me to see BCE/CE for the first time:)
@johnchessant30125 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, WonderWhy uploaded twice a year.
@rubenlarochelle18814 жыл бұрын
Little kids: learn positive and negative numbers in elementary school Grown ups: still debate over BC/AD or BCE/CE as if it was even important
@seanvasquez5234 жыл бұрын
Even more grown ups: Still debate whether or not should we count from 0 or 1.
@محمدالامريكي-ج9م5 жыл бұрын
I'm Muslim and I don't mind using Christian era. On one hand I'm not saying a blasphemy by saying its the "year of our lord" but on the other hand I'm acknowledging where this calendar comes from.
@decem_sagittae5 жыл бұрын
It would be retarded to change it. Why not change the names of the months or the days of the week then?
@Annadog405 жыл бұрын
@@decem_sagittae Just throw the whole thing out and make a new calendar.
@elizabethlebeau8665 жыл бұрын
Constantine's Revenge FRENCH REVOLUTION
@paulwalker24125 жыл бұрын
Didn't muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet too?
@karimm.elsayad95395 жыл бұрын
@@paulwalker2412 We do, but we don't consider him a lord or above human or something, he is just like Moses or Mohammed: a human. Here in Egypt though (and probably other Middle-Eastern countries), we use (along side the Hijri calendar) what I can consider BB (Before [the] Birth) and AB (After [the] Birth) which is a much better solution in my mind. it refers simply to the year of Jesus' birth without other implications (like calling him a lord or something) an event that happened just like the Founding of Rome or the Hijrah (immigration)
@Wired4Life25 жыл бұрын
*Changing the initials but keeping the numerical division barely makes a dent on the calendar's connection to Jesus Christ of Nazareth.*
@RedBull34xxxxx5 жыл бұрын
I was reading a particular history book where the author said that using BCE/CE seemed pointless to change, because you're still basing it off of the Christian dating system. Seemed to make sense to me.
@albanian_barcelona_fan5 жыл бұрын
What the hell do you want?Change it to holocene era?No thanks
@LucidFL5 жыл бұрын
If you’re going to use BCE/CE you may as well throw out the entire Gregorian calender.
@albanian_barcelona_fan5 жыл бұрын
@@LucidFL Never! We have been using the designations for 1500 years and the calendar for 500 years.Too late to change.
@kinch88375 жыл бұрын
I mean... the change was just so that people don't have to refer to Jesus as their lord, not so that the actual basis would change bases.
@AvrahamYairStern4 жыл бұрын
Ahhh Lindybeige! Also, when I first heard 'Common Era' about 5 years ago, it was BCE and ACE, eventually they must have removed the A.
@MortyrSC25 жыл бұрын
lmao people really have nothing important to worry about?
@Clandsom5 жыл бұрын
Mateusz Kotowicz it’s more about the erosion of judeo-Christian culture by multicultural “inclusivity”
@TheRandomBiscuit5 жыл бұрын
@@Clandsom the "erosion"? Seems a little strong there...
@jakexd55245 жыл бұрын
MN purp it’s really not a big deal, and not everyone is Christian, so it makes sense to use BCE and CE because it makes no mention to religion.
@Alien_Bob5 жыл бұрын
@@Clandsom good riddance
@MikhaelHld5 жыл бұрын
@@Clandsom what are you on about? The "Judeo-Christian" culture is still very much prevalent everywhere, even here in the Muslims parts of Southeast Asia... Even two of the most important things to humanity - our standard calendar system and the "weekend" are still very much based on the "Judeo-Christian" culture.
@Alex2Buzz5 жыл бұрын
Alternately, just use negative numbers for BC/BCE.
@muhammadfaruqabdrazak59815 жыл бұрын
There is no year 0 though
@CheCheDaWaff5 жыл бұрын
@@muhammadfaruqabdrazak5981 In the international standard date format (ISO8601) dates prior to year 1 can be signified with a negative sign. In this situation, the year 1 BC is represented by +0, and 2 BC is -1, etc.
@ReddoFreddo5 жыл бұрын
@@CheCheDaWaff oh no
@Hollywood20215 жыл бұрын
Best idea so far
@user-vn7ce5ig1z5 жыл бұрын
Muhammad Faruq Abd razak> There is no year 0 though So? 🤨 Dates aren't numbers, they're dates. They don't have to follow the rules of integers. They can go from -1 to +1. No problems.
@shacharraz91295 жыл бұрын
Here in Israel we use them but call them after counting and before counting
@iloveyoushima5 жыл бұрын
Why?
@adrianblake88764 жыл бұрын
Isn't it "to Christian counting", not "after counting"!?
@fds74763 жыл бұрын
@@iloveyoushima Because to Jews, Jesus was just a guy, not the son of God.
@iloveyoushima3 жыл бұрын
@@fds7476 I know that, not sure how that answers my question.
@DontMockMySmock5 жыл бұрын
If we really want to fix the system, we've simply got to do one thing: embrace negative numbers. 2019 AD would simply become 2019, and 2019 BC would become -2018. Why is it off by one? Because year 0 needs to exist for the system to make sense, and it doesn't currently exist. So 1 BC becomes 0, and 2 BC becomes -1, and so on. Then, figuring out how much time there was between dates would get a lot simpler - you just subtract them, following the normal rules of arithmetic that when you subtract a negative number, you add a positive number. And figuring out date ranges that include the BC/AD crossover would become a lot easier: instead of remembering a special rule that you add them together and then subtract 1, you just follow the same arithmetic rules you've learned in elementary school. And this would also strengthen and connect our intuition about both negative numbers and BC/BCE dates, since they both count "backwards" as you go forwards in time. This also easily admits any kind of offset in the zero point we want to choose; it has been suggested (and I think it's a good idea) to add 10,000 offset so that the year zero is approximately coincidental with the Agricultural Revolution and the dawn of the earliest human civilizations, such that 2019 AD becomes 12019. And for prehistoric times, we've got negative numbers. Seems like it works pretty well to me!
@yoelontop83645 жыл бұрын
Is it really exacyly 10.000 years?
@volvok77495 жыл бұрын
That's how we do in French, the battle of Actium happened in -31, of course you can say "avant Jésus-Christ" too, but the minus works pretty well for numeral dates.
@SWLinPHX5 жыл бұрын
There was no "Year Zero" nor would there have to be. 1 BC was followed by AD 1. One year BEFORE Christ and then come the years OF Christ, "Anno Domini". 1 year before, and then you start the FIRST year. Year AD 1 means you are IN the first year but have not completed it yet. Just like we are in 2019 but have only completed 2,018 years + a few months (as of this writing). Come New Years Day 2020 we would have finished 2019 years. Remember how people kept reminding you in 1999 that the year 2000 is still in the 20th Century because in 2000 we were working on completing the 2,000th year, which we did only on Jan. 1, 2001, the start of the 21st Century. BTW, for birthdays it is the opposite. We celebrate someone COMPLETING 21 years on their 21st birthday. The next day they are still 21 but in their 22nd year of life (such as "21 and one day" or "21 and a half", etc.).
@sciblastofficial98335 жыл бұрын
DontMockMySmock Kurzgesagt would like to know your location
@DontMockMySmock5 жыл бұрын
@@volvok7749 The Battle of Actium happened in -30, though, unless you're using some sort of broken number line where -1 and 1 are one unit apart.
@AlexSh7895 жыл бұрын
I usually use AD instead of CE because, despite it being the "Common Era," it's not as common as people make it out to be. There are still cultures which use different calendars with different epochs to our own. We use Anno Domini to distinguish it from other epochs, like Anno Mundi, Anno Hegiræ, and Anno Urbis Conditæ, among others.
@OptimusPhillip5 жыл бұрын
I personally agree with the "changing the names doesn't change the fact that it's based on Christ" school of thought. That being said, I am Catholic, so I may have some bias
@CybermanKing5 жыл бұрын
I agree and I’m also a Catholic. The new nomenclature just begs the question what major event ushered in the common area. That being said, I think using CE instead of AD makes sense because it’s not in Latin and of course CE also means Christian Era (which is English)
@MrJustinUSCM5 жыл бұрын
Im probably the least religious person and I agree. Its just a name, I think changing it to b.c.e/c.e. is just unnecessary and overly p.c., lets just leave it as bc/ad
@nicholashodges2015 жыл бұрын
Not christian, but that's the way I've always looked at it.
@6zeekoe95 жыл бұрын
The problem wasn’t that the calendar is based on the birth of Jesus, it is that he is called Christ (Messiah, Anointed One) of Domini, our Lord). The Jews were mentioned. Just remembering how Jewish people have been treated in Europe, because they didn’t accept Jesus as Messiah or Lord, should make any believing Christian embarrassed. Jesus, for sure, wouldn’t want any of that persecution in his name.
@macker335 жыл бұрын
@@6zeekoe9 I'm not defending what happened to the jews but the jews did start it.
@danathurnell51775 жыл бұрын
I say BC and CE because BC is easier to say than BCE and CE because I actually know what it means
@henryeaton85155 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that's literally the only way you could possibly say it incorrectly
@laurencefraser5 жыл бұрын
@@henryeaton8515 no, no. There is one other way. Use BCE and AD. I mean, its wrong for the same reason, but its still a different way of being wrong.
@TayIor.Swift.5 жыл бұрын
@@laurencefraser Even better, use BCE and Bc
@adamamaru45355 жыл бұрын
Honestly B.C and A.D are just to classic for me to give up.
@TheWolfboy1805 жыл бұрын
Julius Memer I’m disappointed that you’re not using the Roman calendar.
@shhac5 жыл бұрын
If we're honest, the only way of counting time that really matters is milliseconds since the unix epoch
@jeffirwin78625 жыл бұрын
Bro wyd after 2038 CE?
@shhac5 жыл бұрын
@@jeffirwin7862 don't worry about something `long` away
@Roxor1285 жыл бұрын
Or the GPS epoch. I wouldn't object to having that made official either.
@jeffirwin78625 жыл бұрын
@DeadLink 404 Y'all are `floating` on thin ice.
@user-vn7ce5ig1z5 жыл бұрын
The only correct solution is to use a UINT128 to store nanoseconds since the big-bang. That gives us high resolution and plenty of time to move to 256-bits. Duh. ¬_¬ (If you're hurting for space, you could just use 80 bits and microseconds. 🤷)
@constantinexi96675 жыл бұрын
Just use BC and AD. We all know why and when BC starts and BC starts.
@chicknorton88395 жыл бұрын
The fact that this apparently consists as a controversial topic is, to me, baffling and a waste of breath. Barry's Tea vs Lyons Tea is a more worthwhile argument, and they are both black Bengal tea
@decem_sagittae5 жыл бұрын
WonderWhy isn't Christian. Dislike and unsub.
@BlueFury25775 жыл бұрын
@@decem_sagittae Lmao that's pathetic.
@decem_sagittae5 жыл бұрын
@@BlueFury2577 no respect for apostates, heretics and unbelievers!
@emperortgp24245 жыл бұрын
11:23 Lol read the comments where people say BCE/CE is an attempt at historical revisionism or how they stopped watching midway because WonderWhy used it. Peak snowflakery. EDIT: OH SHIT I DIDN'T REALIZE I USED THEY PLEASE DON'T KILL ME
@chicknorton88395 жыл бұрын
@Proud Bangladeshi গর্বিত বাংলাদেশী okay....... Do yee sell tea to Ireland?
@cellscribe5 жыл бұрын
AD does get confused with After Death. When I was young I had a teacher give us a math problem. How many years between 10 BC and 10 AD. I answered 20. The answer she wanted was 53 as Jesus lived 33 years. I disagreed and this led to a discussion with the Principle who didn't know the teacher was teaching this. This was in a public school.
@hotdatedave4 жыл бұрын
You mean Principal.
@jk-jl2lo4 жыл бұрын
i'm gonna go out on a limb and assume this was an american school because that definitely sounds like something an american school would do
@cellscribe4 жыл бұрын
@@hotdatedave Yep, I lean on spell check far too much.
@cellscribe4 жыл бұрын
@@jk-jl2lo Toronto.
@hitemwid1t4 жыл бұрын
We just casually have 33 years in hustory that is unmarked by a number
@AtricosHU5 жыл бұрын
There is a perfectly viable solution to this, called negative and positive numbers. I find it way easier to understand the year "-100" than "100 BC"
@AtricosHU5 жыл бұрын
@Noah Dominic Silvio That's entirely fine, I just like the simplicity of +/-.
@niceColdWuhta2 жыл бұрын
the only person i've seen so far that uses -/+ is bill wurtz but ngl is pretty genius
@TXnine7nine5 жыл бұрын
Use whatever one you want just so long as you’re consistent in using it. This goes for whoever. Don’t use BC/AD in one paragraph and then in the next paragraph use BCE/CE.
@medes55975 жыл бұрын
My mother is an academic historian and archaeologist and she uses BC/AD in both her teaching, academic and other work. She finds the use of the phrase "common era" troubling (and has written about that) and thinks the BCE/CE thing is a ridiculous attempt to politicise a system that doesn't warrant it.
@JohnSmith-ey6zy5 жыл бұрын
I cringed when i saw someone commented you being heretic for not using B.C./A.D.
@mendel75755 жыл бұрын
A heretic to what? A heretic to Christianity or a heretic to who worship globo-homo mutliculti soyocracy?
@randybentley26335 жыл бұрын
Heretics, send in the Adepta Sororitas! :)
@JohnSmith-ey6zy5 жыл бұрын
@@randybentley2633 i prefer Rogal Dorn's angry boys though but not the Imperial fisting kind but more of the Templar kind
@sivartus66925 жыл бұрын
It sounds like a sarcastic reply honestly.
@Subosi5 жыл бұрын
I suggest BC/AD over BCE/CE because it saves one letter, which in the larger scheme of it all saves a lot on inkt and digital storage. Which would be better our resources.
@aishvaryapujar94604 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! great voice too! LOVE your accent! Could listen to you for hours
@AuthenticDarren5 жыл бұрын
I'll give you another two good reasons to keep using BC and AD. 1. Before watching this video I really didn't know what BCE and CE meant or stood for. This may have something to do with the second VERY good reason to stick with BC and AD 2. BCE and CE are abreviations of English terms!! I've been living in France for 20 years and hardly anyone you'd ask would know what these terms mean HOWEVER EVERYONE would know the term AD which is a Latin derived term. I'd say this would be the case in nearly all non English speaking places. SO to stay truly international (and understood for that matter) KEEP USING AD ;).
@blaki01085 жыл бұрын
Makes sense but as an American jew I didn't know what AD meant or what it was derived from for a LOOOOONNNG time. Anyways, for me it makes sense to use BCE/CE
@Jayyy667 Жыл бұрын
@@blaki0108 I bet it does rabbi, talmud has alot to say about christ and goys in general
@Inari_the_Fox5 жыл бұрын
Why do people care? The "common era" is still based on Christianity. It's literally impossible to avoid the religious aspect of it. So it doesn't matter. You can't make this Politically Correct. Why get salty if its said either way? The two term sets are interchangeable.
@kauske5 жыл бұрын
Christians are just looking for an excuse, they're salty AF that people are tired of bowing to them and can't handle that people in any way want to move away from their omnipotent sky-daddy, especially in the US.
@scottwillie63895 жыл бұрын
If it doesn't matter, why are Jews pushing BCE so hard? Of course it matters. We are in a cultural war, and we either "get salty" fight back against the Jewish media or they destroy us.
@thetrueglasses4 жыл бұрын
"the days of the week... are mostly named after roman or greek deities." sunday, monday, thursday, and friday: am i a joke to you?
@h-Qalziel3 жыл бұрын
Really it’s only Saturday that’s named after a Roman deity. Monday and Sunday are named after the Moon and Sun, respectively, while Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday are named after ‘Norse’ gods. Tuesday - Tiw’s Day Wednesday - Woden’s Day Thursday - Thor’s Day Friday - Freya’s Day
@thetrueglasses3 жыл бұрын
@Matteo Tironi "civilized" and "barbarian" are extremely subjective
@thetrueglasses3 жыл бұрын
@@h-Qalziel oh i didn't realize that for tuesday and wednesday! thank you so much!
@deeiks125 жыл бұрын
As a non native english speaker I prefer BC/AD sicne anno domini is more of an international term (can be seen on old buildings for example). I actually hadn't even heard about BCE/CE before this video.
@marcusbierman53105 жыл бұрын
@deeiks12 What country are you from?
@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw87915 жыл бұрын
Lmao. It's in no way international. Outside the Western world it is not used, and in the modern Western world most modern textbooks, scientific papers, academia in general, wikipedia and governments use BCE/CE.
@deeiks125 жыл бұрын
@@marcusbierman5310 Estonia.
@deeiks125 жыл бұрын
@@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791I said it is _more_ international, which it IMO is. Understanding BCE means you have to know the meaning in English, but understand AD is at least in my opinion a bit more intuitive because as I said at least in Europe you can see the phrase written all over the place.
@geopixels68865 жыл бұрын
asdsdjf asdjxajiosdqw I’m pretty sure Asian countries wouldn’t use an English term for their dates. Many historic European text contains BC/AD as well as early North and South American colonial buildings.
@ChloeAriT5 жыл бұрын
I'm fine with either, I personally use AD and BC because it highlights how arbitrary our dating system is
@howardbaxter25142 жыл бұрын
I’d also argue that it makes the years more distinct. It is far more eye catching and understandable with AD/BC than CE/BCE.
@micshork5 жыл бұрын
I prefer to use BC/AD because it makes sense in the reasoning and origin of the definition.
@joshmonster945 жыл бұрын
Even though it's wrong on both accounts?
@christopherhamm31815 жыл бұрын
Oh and people seem to forget the Gregorian calendar is really just the Julian calendar, the calendar of Rome modified for the first 2 Caesars of course (and Christian year counting too), with Gregory's change of adding in leap year to stabilize it and keep important church holidays from drifting into other seasons as was beginning to happen by the 16th-17th centuries. Plus it wasn't fully adopted in Western Europe until the second half of the 18th century, and not fully in Europe until the Russian Revolution in 1917, as the Russian Empire stuck with the Julian calendar as it was also the Russian Orthodox Church calendar as given to them by the Byzantine Empire. Protestant Europe didn't want a calendar from Catholic Rome, so clearly nothing is a predetermined outcome, and history could have easily gone another way.
@SianNadine5 жыл бұрын
Actually The Julian calendar added the leap year the Gregorian calendar actually removed some to try limit the drift so the rules are : a leap year every 4 years except for every 100 years but still on 100 as power of 4
@peteryepremian55955 жыл бұрын
I always thought BCE was Before Christ Existence and CE was Christ Existence :/
@peteryepremian55955 жыл бұрын
@Emir Mohamed Al-Bergha My man
@splaar4 жыл бұрын
My main thing with this issue is the fact that BCE/CE is secular, academic notation while it still acknowledges a religious event as the one point of human history important enough to split human history into two distinct eras. I say, either find an event that all academics can agree was important, and set that event as Year Zero for BCE/CE notation, or just go back to using the religious notation of BC/AD. That's what I like about the Holocene calendar. It sets Year Zero at an event that marked a monumental achievement which all people can appreciate as part of their history, while also maintaining relative consistency with Western religious calendars by simply adding exactly 10,000 years to the calendar date. For example, AD 2020 on the Gregorian calendar is 12020 HE (human era) on the Holocene calendar. Likewise, 11000 BC on the Gregorian calendar is 1000 BHE (before the human era) on the Holocene calendar
@MarloTheBlueberry Жыл бұрын
BC Before Civilization CE Civilization Era
@jamesdeininger37595 жыл бұрын
What’s the difference between “Colored People” and “People of Color”? Aside from the latter sounding like a poor translation of the former?
@splaar4 жыл бұрын
They mean exactly the same thing. The latter is just a pathetic attempt at appeasing those who get offended by the former.
@noticedruid49854 жыл бұрын
Well they are a little different colored people generally referred to black people and people of color is a recent progressive term for anyone who's shade is darker than white.
@jk-jl2lo4 жыл бұрын
"colored" is an outdated term that was used for decades in the US. it almost always referred to black people, who asked to just be called "black" instead. "people of color," often shortened to "POC," just refers to everyone who isn't white. it's less of a mouthful than saying something like "ethnic minorities" (which is also arguably incorrect because, while white people make up the majority of the US population, they're not the majority in the rest of the world). basically, one is an outdated term for black people that's generally regarded as offensive, while the other is a modern and less-wordy term for all non-white people.
@noticedruid49854 жыл бұрын
@@jk-jl2lo that's not entirely true while agree with most, but not every black person asked to be called black it wasn't just white people that used the term colored blacks have used it before too just like the other term Negro. But the POC is being used as a identifier to be a sense of belonging for everyone that isn't white and to show your non-whiteness to use as a club against those who are white and enable them to voice with a lesser fear of being attacked or to gain a sense of superiority over whites. Common themes are like your white so you don't have a say or your white so you shouldn't have a opinion or I'm a POC so my opinion matters more than yours ect...its basically a with us or against us mentality your one of the tribe if you are a POC if you are white you are lesser than us. You have seen many who strive to find anything like I'm 1% Native American so I'm a POC and the like just as it seems it's not a good thing to be white these days.
@SWLinPHX4 жыл бұрын
@@noticedruid4985 You can also use Negroid and Caucasoid.
@effectively05 жыл бұрын
Wow, did you suddenly learn Adobe After Effects? This video has a lot of nice animations and there is a very noticeable improvement in the general video editing quality here.
@thiesschroder55875 жыл бұрын
Probably through Skillshare.
@christopherhamm31815 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you got so muchflack, appreciate this video. I am Jewish, and use BCE/CE, also built the habit in college and grad school as both my degree are in the social sciences. Curiously when I was studying anthropology, many in the field used a Before Present (BP) system, so if you were talking about something in 11,000 BCE, it was 13,000 BP. Granted then everything is just so many years before today. Personally I am a fan of the human era calendar, as it begins counting at the very beginning of the development of settled life, so encompasses all of human civilization, but still has a weird backwards chronology to deal with. I am a proponent of changing that, as that's not how we count, and I feel it makes it easier for people to kind of ignore everything which happened before some arbitrary date because those times were leading up to it, and people seem to value it less. All of history is important and should be celebrated. Anyway these are my thoughts, and I encourage people to use more inclusive language, but mostly to question why things are as they are, don't blindly accept something "because it's always been that way." Trust me, it hasn't .
@jonelbondyingnuezca742 Жыл бұрын
You Jews are snowflakes. Just use BC and AD instead. First and foremost the Gregorian calendar is based on Jesus.
@HunterRodrigez5 жыл бұрын
in my language we just use for example -1200 when we talk about years before our calender
@sciblastofficial98335 жыл бұрын
Hunter Rodrigez Reference point for the calendar? Don't tell me it's AD otherwise your calendar is fake (sarcastic, duh)
@minuda3 жыл бұрын
I’m an atheist and I use BC/AD. Religious affinity should not be a reason to degrade history and terminology.
@giuffre7143 жыл бұрын
I'm Christian and I'm fine with Thursday : )
@Cornelius-yk6oy5 жыл бұрын
As a Christian, I don't mind calling Fridays Friday. Even though, it is named after the Pagan "Goddess" Frija. The same applies to many other week day names. Why should a non-Christian in turn have anything against measuring time in reference to Christ?
@osric17305 жыл бұрын
Thats's easy. Norse gods are extinct and not representative of a current competitor. Norse gods may well be out of fashion but they have a place in Western culture, have always been named such, and you have dissociated the names from the gods over time. However the year date is alien in many parts of the world, they don't have "cultural" christianity, in fact no point of reference for either the date or the term. If you're going to have a year date standardisation across all cultures of the world it seems only reasonable not to insist on your own parochial terminology predicated upon a medieval superstition particularly when the term AD and BC is inaccurate as nobody knows what year Jesus of Nazareth was born. You would of course appreciate this were the boot on the other foot and you were expected to alter your date system and apply After Buddha, or the Year of Mohammed. You'd not surprisingly find this cultural and religious imposition somewhat insulting particularly when the phrase Anno Domini implies a religious affirmation of the deity of someone's else religion. How many Americans would tolerate their year name with an affirmation of Mohammed being Gods principle prophet? You'd go nuts at the affrontery of it.
@Cornelius-yk6oy5 жыл бұрын
@@osric1730 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2PMpZ-LoalkZq8 Maybe this perspective might be interesting for you. The AD/BCE debate starts at 3:30
@donovanfausette85215 жыл бұрын
CE/BCE is just the secular version of BC/AD. Many cultures have their own calendar and it's fine to make a universal one, but don't erase a cultural calendar to do it.
@anders97485 жыл бұрын
But noone is telling anyone to stop using BC/AD. This is simply debating whether it should be standard.
@laurencefraser5 жыл бұрын
@@anders9748 oh no, plenty of people do just that. It's where half the arguments start. (The other half, of course, the same issue from the other direction)... With some small margin for error, of course.
@tobyblack95355 жыл бұрын
The problem with using BCE-CE as a secular way of organising dates is that it still relies on the birth of Jesus as the defining event between the previous and current era. Regardless of which system is used, our way of organising history is still defined by the events of Christianity.
@diogoneno89645 жыл бұрын
Even if you're to think Jesus never existed, you must still recognise the world existed 2019 years ago. The bce/ce notation is in my view reflective on that, whether some people believe that pivot date to coincide with the birth of their Messiah is up to them.
@MrJoeyWheeler5 жыл бұрын
The only alternative is to pick another event which would put us in a completely different year and thoroughly annoy future historians. Plus, how would we even pick a different arbitrary point to use as "Year 1"? The birth of Rome? The foundation of the United States? The fall of Saigon? No matter which way we look at it, there is simply no way to have a year -X-through-X system that doesn't rely on an arbitrary point.
@36thgallardo5 жыл бұрын
It's a historical fact that Jesus existed and was crucified by Pontius Pilate. Everything else is up for debate.
@diogoneno89645 жыл бұрын
@@MrJoeyWheeler no especially particular event happened on January 1 for it to be the year's start, it just is and that's where we start counting. Likewise there needn't be an event for grouping years, an arbitrary point in time will do.
@whyyoulidl3 жыл бұрын
HOW. COME. i'VE. JUST. COME. ACROSS. YOUR. CHANNEL? DAMN, I GOTTA HIT THAT SUBSCRIBED BUTTON!
@Crick19525 жыл бұрын
I'm a Christian, grew up using BCE/CE, and don't get what everyone is getting worked up about. The ease of usage argument is the only one that holds water for me, and even that isn't really a problem in most situations.
@kaioocarvalho5 жыл бұрын
@Crick1952 Well, I'm atheist and use BC/AD, mainly because when I was learning English (it's not my native language) the first time I was using it was when I was playing Chrono Trigger, which used BC/AD. By the way, the story of the game happens in an alternative universe without Jesus or Christianity. Why would anyone even be triggered by this or that year notation choice?
@mendel75755 жыл бұрын
It should really show how much your language has deteriorated that you now use BCE/CE. Other religions tell you to change your language for them and you happily submit.
@kaioocarvalho5 жыл бұрын
@@mendel7575 Sorry, but how is not subjecting a language to a religion a failure? It doesn't even imply you'll be less religious in such a language. As for submitting to a religion, it's also not a failure, as languages adapt to which about you are talking.
@mendel75755 жыл бұрын
@@kaioocarvalho Thanks for the apology. Jews/Muslims tell you to change you language and you do. That is a failure. And historically speaking such changes usually occur after losing a war or after an invasion or suffering under a foreign power. Such a small change is the tip of the iceberg.
@cubiusblockus39735 жыл бұрын
I am an Atheist, I use BC/AD. I use that terminology because thats when the year changed over. Christ is what our measurment system is based upon. It had a profound effect upon western society, why deny it, why try to cover it up? It is part of our history and if non-western peoples dont like it, then too bad for them, they chose to come here. I dont give a flying fuck about Christianity today, but i do give a fuck about manipulating our culture to 'modernize' it for soft cocks. Chistianity was part of our culture and those soft cocks just have to get over themselves and accept that we have a history too and that history involved christianity and is what helped shape our civilization into what it is today. Its an attempt to manipulate our history and culture by using BCE/CE. Cultural Marxism at its finest. It's really no wonder non-westerners claim westerners have no culture, we are literally wiping it out ourselves to 'modernize'.
@9638795 жыл бұрын
It's 12019 HE, baby Team Human Era, represent.
@HVLLOW995 жыл бұрын
How do you date B.C. years Add a 1 in front for A.D. years but what about B.C. ? I wana know😣
@9638795 жыл бұрын
@@HVLLOW99 you subtract from 10,000. So 356 BC would be 9654 HE, and 5200 BC would be 4800 HE
@HVLLOW995 жыл бұрын
@@963879 Dude thnx!
@Cjnw5 жыл бұрын
The Holocene Era
@XFC8564 жыл бұрын
fck yes
@crystalkittycat85175 жыл бұрын
You can use either, it doesn’t matter really. It’s just your choice both are correct. But in my school we use bc and ad. So yeah either is right. Great video by the way.
@vanadium60215 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna go for BC/AD cos i think it looks good to have the letters ABCD rearranged, and CE/BCE looks weird
@dozog5 жыл бұрын
CE/BCE looks like products quality certificate.
@thelasttruepatriot3 жыл бұрын
Neil deGrasse Tyson explained on Joe Rogan why he uses BC/AD despite not being a Christian or believing in God, because the Catholic Church created our current calendar and it's the most accurate calendar man has created, so he thinks they deserve the right to use BC/AD
@Rosey58585 жыл бұрын
BC/AD even tho im not religous im just used to it
@Craznar5 жыл бұрын
The other practical issue with BCE/BC is hand written: 238CE vs 23BCE
@Wouter101235 жыл бұрын
Put a space before the CE/BCE, problem solved. 238 CE 23 BCE
@CaptPatrick015 жыл бұрын
I prefer BC and AD because there are fewer syllables and sharpness to get around. If the years hit the quintuple digits (Or WWIII destroys everything), we should have a new dating system that abbreviates to EY or something.
@joermnyc5 жыл бұрын
Also remember for a while some European nations used their own calendar that was completely separate from their neighbors and it was a long while before the Julian calendar (and the Gregorian (Russia was the last to switch and that was in 1918!)) were widely used.
@Listless_Robin5 жыл бұрын
Backwards Chronology and Ascending Dates is actually a really smart coincidence. Nice one Lindybeige.
@qwertyuiop.5 жыл бұрын
We here say Old Era and New Era
@dolantrimp16915 жыл бұрын
I wear new era hats.
@carydum9356 Жыл бұрын
We're ok using Roman names for the months, Norse names for the days of the weeks and Hindu-Arabic numerals for the dates but certainly, let's not use Christian terminologies for the eras or the name of the calendar itself because yeah, it's not neutral at all...
@tkdmike934510 ай бұрын
Well said
@Abdul54cp5 жыл бұрын
People: BCE/CE, BC/AD Me, an intellectual: BH/AH
@Abdul54cp5 жыл бұрын
just before someone corrects me, yes i know the islamic calender doesnt start at the same time
@samtownend67445 жыл бұрын
That is actually a big problem with the common era idea, it still bases dates on Christian doctrine. The actual year 1CE was not at all special if you ignore the birth of Jesus
@Niom_Music5 жыл бұрын
Blackwolfgoogol (Abdul54cp) Before Hesus / After Hesus?
@Abdul54cp5 жыл бұрын
@@Niom_Music before hijra / after hijra
@RealCadde5 жыл бұрын
Before Humans / After Humans because humanity will argue this until MAD happens.
@DavidSharpMSc5 жыл бұрын
Changing the term AD to CE and yet still basing the system's zero year on Jesus is mental.
@nicholasrose81735 жыл бұрын
That's my problem with changing it. If its BC and BCE then why should it be based on that certain date
@DavidSharpMSc5 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasrose8173 Precisely - the sheer arrogance of saying to the world "oh we are going to call this the "common era" but obviously it is based on a cultural/religious event that is of no important to, say, most Chinese or most Maori, etc. and is central to the development of our culture, but we are going to claim it is central to all cultures". It is like if the Japanese calendar kept all its dates the same and just changed its name to "the modern world calendar". Bizarre.
@nicholasrose81735 жыл бұрын
@@DavidSharpMSc exactly and it's not like the whole word uses AD/BC either many muslim nations will prob always use their calendar based around Mohammad and places like China use their own along with not using time zones. The calendar we use is based on a religious figure that like it or not is a major part of the bases of our culture
@DavidSharpMSc5 жыл бұрын
haha, yes well, next time someone starts hassling you to use "2019 CE", just politely inform them that actually the current year is "reiwa 1", and see what happens!
@killerqueen1524 жыл бұрын
In the video he did say that Jesus’s birth date is disputed. So it might be that neither system is actually based around him.
@LyricalDJ5 жыл бұрын
First and foremost, I'd very much like us to just use one. Using the two while they're exactly the same (apart from their name) is needlessly confusing. Secondly, if I had to make a choice I'd suggest just using the older one because it would again, as it has been used more in the past. I'm a Christian, so I may not be as familiar with how sensitive some people may be regarding AD/BC but I don't see it as a Christian thing. I think if there were emotions to come into play it'd be habit rather than religion as I'm used to using AD/BC. But yeah, can we just not pick one?
@asAbsolute5 жыл бұрын
I use BC/AD because that’s how we’ve been doing it and there’s no reason to change it. Christ was a real person and we are basing the date off of his life and death either way, so might as well say it how it is.
@billybobjoe1985 жыл бұрын
It's a cultural thing. To anyone in the west, "BC" has a very distinct cultural meaning. And it has nothing to do with Christ. And to maintain consistensy through works there is no reason to change it to a more confusing longer culturally insignificant set of letters. I hate the argument of secularity being used when it's being pushed because of other religions. You can't have a secular society purging itself of its traditions in the name of another societies religions beliefs. That's not a secxular society, that's just a religiously shifting society. Secularity pays no mind.
@LetsGoGetThem5 жыл бұрын
I mean the French even tried to have a new calendar and it fell on it's face pretty hard due to people just being fine with the old religious one no matter how religious they are,
@Sg-ih2cl5 жыл бұрын
The issue I have with BCE/CE is that it refers to the same distinction as BC/AD, therefore implementing BCE/CE makes no meaningful change and just obscures the origin of the distinction.
@omeganinjaboy5 жыл бұрын
BCE/CE I have never heard of. It sounds slightly odd to me, but then again that's just because I have never heard of it or seen it in a book except for once before and I assumed it was a typo (as was rare but happened a few times before in my geography/history book) that they accidentally hit an E.
@michaeltnk11355 жыл бұрын
How old are you? There’s no way you’ve your whole life without once hearing BCE/CE
@omeganinjaboy5 жыл бұрын
@@michaeltnk1135 **Shrugs Gargantuanlly** I did see it once before in that geography book, but it must be regional. (also, other history books used AD and BC in previous years of my school because most teachers just reuse the same old books for years. It is public school BTW.). From what I see in the comments several other people have never heard of it either.
@michaeltnk11355 жыл бұрын
Omeganinjaboy *Shrugs gargantually*
@HerodotusVon5 жыл бұрын
We should all just adopt the French revolutionary calendar
@andrewlynch41265 жыл бұрын
Why not go back to the Roman calendar instead
@billybobjoe1985 жыл бұрын
Fuck France, and fuck anything that the French ever had anything to do with. France is a cancer and the root of all problems in the world today.
@deargodwhyme5 жыл бұрын
@@billybobjoe198 I should have known. It was France that caused my flat tire this morning!
@billybobjoe1985 жыл бұрын
@@deargodwhyme Stupid ass Michelin man and his bullshit flat tires.
@akselst5 жыл бұрын
When you pointed out that BCE/CE doesn't remove us from christianity since we use the same numbers, that reminded me of one of my earlier professors, who wanted the system to change so that we are now in the year 10019. This would make more sence in the view of an historian, and still be easy to remember and get used to, since still using the last part of the old system (the "19" part). Is this a good idea maybe, or just crazy/stupid.
@poe_slaw5 жыл бұрын
I have not been swayed from my long-held position that this whole debate is pointless and caring about it is stupid