_________________________________ 00:00 - Start 01:06 - Ornette's Spirit Essence 01:33 - Ash Halfmoon Kagtunak 01:47 - Blood Wolves Rotation: 1 02:44 - Blood Wolves Rotation: 2 03:02 - Blood Wolves Main Rotation 04:58 - Sherekhan's Pancea 05:12 - Sherekhan's Necropolis Rotation Concept 08:34 - Sherekhan's Night Time Mechanic 09:12 - Ron's Tintinnabulum 10:11 - Ronoros Rotations 22:14 - Part 2 22:28 - Gayak's Courage Stone 22:46 - Musical Spirit's Sound Stone 23:11 - Potion Combine __________________________________ NOTE! In this video, I give an overview and an idea of how to go about the rotations. As you probably will notice when watching this, I did not spend much time at Blood Wolves or Sherekhan. However, I did spend many days at Ronoros, hence the disparity in quality lol.
@capkovf4 жыл бұрын
Do you think it's worth it using all drop rate buffs (tent,lootscolls, etc.)?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
@@capkovf I only used the loot scroll. 100% more drop rate of 0.005% is only 0.01%. Still damn low xD you either get it or you dont
@braylendylan17753 жыл бұрын
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@lorenzojabari64653 жыл бұрын
@Braylen Dylan Instablaster ;)
@braylendylan17753 жыл бұрын
@Lorenzo Jabari Thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and Im trying it out atm. Seems to take quite some time so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Theheartslove4 жыл бұрын
I want to comment that the tombstone you show at 6:52 is a Lateh stone. I personally prefer this mob is I spend time grinding at Sherekhan at night time. I recommend having at least 400 energy and be prepared to pop XL energy potions if needed when grinding here at night.
@johncondino36013 жыл бұрын
Lesgooo I got mine today. I don't know my hours during my grinding but I got 150k trashloot in sherekhan, 700k in blood wolves and 1.4m in ronaros. It took most of my time in ronaros but all are worth it after getting every piece. Good luck to all who grinds for that potion!!
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
Grats man!
@deezekii34792 жыл бұрын
Nah its not done you need the auto pot from a fairy
@easypro Жыл бұрын
For me it took 19x wolf pieces 21 sherekhan pieces and 30 ronaros pieces to get the rare drops so it wasn't even 40 hours total I had perma 270-300% drop rate tho.
@ozisike3 жыл бұрын
Bro ive been farming rona for 20 hours or so and havent gotten it, so i decided to switch it up and go to wolfs and got it within 50 minutes, couldnt be happier right now, 1 down 2 to go!
@francisbreton-cote12722 жыл бұрын
It's all random. I've been over 5 hours at wolf and still got nothing so far.
@Starhid123 жыл бұрын
17:41 i agree but you cant think with chance % but more like average hour of grind, for example going from 0.0001% to 0.0002% seems very little but in facts it actually divides the average amount of hours you have to grind there by two (and lets you spend the other half grinding somewhere you make more money) so I dont think tent buff is neglectable
@gandalfdegrey4 жыл бұрын
Nice, I’ve been looking for an in depth guide recently, and there aren’t many on KZbin currently
@Bvic33 жыл бұрын
It's not clear in the video but the guard wolf is a rare event, it's not a regular mob. So 99% of your kills are executionners. It's so fun on SeasonPvP. Everyone has equal stuff it's great PvP while farming semi-productively. Edit: Two months later, I finished it on Season PvP, 2 days before the season end! 1050k wolf trash, 310k sherekhan, 45k ronanos.
@michaeld26223 жыл бұрын
Finished the last part from Ronaros. Thanks man! Now have to gather 300 Peridot Leaves, duh!
@StarmanDX3 жыл бұрын
i switched to main rona rotation after watching this video and got the piece 1.5 hrs after, just need sherekhan now
@qatoxkils52803 жыл бұрын
there is one more rotation for blood wolfs wich is pretty good you go down the hill towards the blood wolf icon then at the split run left up the mountain again. Hard to describe but i always go to that spot.
@ackla8612 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pansy for another useful video
@raijolt78754 жыл бұрын
honestly your kagtums rotation is so wide you spill into other people's rotations VERY often. they respawn in less than 2 minutes, you can easily shorten up the loop and focus more on the heavier executioner spots.
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
yeah I wanted to give some space there because my Mystic obliterates everything. She's so much quicker compared to my striker, I saw quite a bit of difference between the two. From between my friends and myself, the class made such a big difference in these nub-grind spots.
@iankurnia26384 жыл бұрын
If you have good pets, yes. I set 1 x T4 and 4 xT3, my pets still left some of the loots which kinda bad if that loot it miss is H.A Kagtunak XD
@nelsonrodriguez89503 жыл бұрын
You mentioned it briefly, but what did you mean that pieces are dropped by other mobs during events? What are the events and how do we know when they are happening?
10 minutes sherrekahn 3 hours blood wolves 110 yours ranaros. There's always that one asshole that has to be different than the rest lol
@easypro Жыл бұрын
@@reeverfalls2069 Hes probably capping but it can happen so maybe
@ZeuZLoD3 жыл бұрын
I am at Moyamo and I have 300 peridot leaves but cant exchange it for the Musical Spirit Sound Stone, there is no option for that.
@charlottesplayground10963 жыл бұрын
any idea wich mobs drop dragon fang at night sherekhan or do they all drop them?
@knightfallzz4 жыл бұрын
Hey Pansy, you who play striker and mystic, do you know which of the two classes is better for 1v1 pvp and is good grinding but not tiring grinding?
@johnaguinaldos543 жыл бұрын
striker succesion deletes mobs easy
@AlexMac_TV4 жыл бұрын
nice guide and nice Discord info
@AliBaBa-vv3eb3 жыл бұрын
what is your succ striker combo for weak mobs bro?
@Animelover-jo3vp3 жыл бұрын
what was your ap and Dp
@reesejones61173 жыл бұрын
So can I grind on one character and then swap to another as I am leveling up at the potion piece spot and it counts as the same time spent
@rockresmalaya71463 жыл бұрын
how many hours u want grind 1 item
@KozzPop3 жыл бұрын
Does Garud and Belcadas really drop at night too?
@ria7063 жыл бұрын
200 hrs later, single piece, nope
@AlexR0w3 жыл бұрын
do pieces drop at olvia server?
@lmaocetong3 жыл бұрын
Thats funny because I wanted to see your Ranaros rotation and its almost the same as mine.
@maniekmariusz52644 жыл бұрын
Hey i need node lvl up to 10? i have t10 node sherekhan and 100h arsha lot scroll nothing
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
Man I think those node levels are a scam. I got the blood wovles and sherekhan pieces in less than an hour at 0 node lvl. Took me 20 hrs for ronoros with 5 node. RNG is RNG, can't do anything but keep grinding. When grinding Stars end and kratuga for money though, I seriously felt i was getting less rare drops with higher node lvls. Since then I stopped wasting energy on nodes.
@Noobster223 жыл бұрын
im bit unlucky looking on other ppl times which suxs, my times wolves - around 200hrs - no loot scrolls ronaros - 324hrs - blue loot scrools all the way sherek - just started 24h in and nothing - blue loot scrools
@cybusterx42164 жыл бұрын
Awsome Guide, like always :) Really enjoying your Videos, keep it up man. Ohhh yeah wanted to ask, can you drop those Pieces on the Season Server as well?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks! Yeah they drop on seasonal as well.
@Dr.Thanatos3 жыл бұрын
Ronaros piece in 4 hrs while doing Jetina daily, blue ls and doner's kebab (30% buff) no kama on arsha........ Going for the next two pieces now that I have unexpectedly got one. Wish me luck
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
grats dude! GL
@liptonx3 жыл бұрын
do you need any quest to be started? or can one go and grind directly?
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
No quests. Just go and start grinding yeah
@liptonx3 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy Thank you!
@Daffamalik1434 жыл бұрын
missed one spot for ronaros, in the white wood forest
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
Didn't miss it, I just didn't include it.
@Daffamalik1434 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy ahh i see
@ncoates2023 жыл бұрын
Do you need too increase your node management? For these specific drops? Will that help with the drop rate?
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
It’s supposed to but I have a tin foil hat belief that it’s all a scam lul
@ncoates2023 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pansy 🤟🏾
@ncoates2023 жыл бұрын
What was your node lvl when this piece dropped? I’m only lvl 1
@reeverfalls20693 жыл бұрын
For reference I got my Sher piece in under 10 minutes no loot scroll no node investment. Got my bloodwolves piece with no loot scroll and level 10 node-3hrs. Ranaros was with loot scroll and lvl 10 node-110 hours
@ncoates2023 жыл бұрын
Are you playing on PC or Console?
@d3rmie3 жыл бұрын
can i uncombine the parts if i accidentally combined them? i combined my sherekhan's panacea with a new everlasting water instead of with my greater spirit essence which has the other 2 T__T
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
Best you can probably do is send in a ticket
@jacobagustin29173 жыл бұрын
do you need the node for the grind spot to be lvl 10 or its ok if its untouched?
@mi_key3 жыл бұрын
Good to be lvl 10 cos more chance on dropping
@PanjolArt3 жыл бұрын
do you have to farm them in arsha server? or i can farm them on non pvp server? i'm new to the game, i'm not sure if i can compete with other players in arsha server
@chrischin5553 жыл бұрын
you can farm them on any server im pretty sure arsha servers just increases drop rate
@Xuch3 жыл бұрын
What would you say are like top 5/3 classes to grind pieces
@Nesot3 жыл бұрын
Nova awakening is probably the best. Fast class like musa maehwa etc are pretty good too. I think shai is one of the worst to grind with tho.
@holopolo14804 жыл бұрын
Is there a quest u need to accept b4 starting grinding the items?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
Nope
@theackermans-74794 жыл бұрын
"Just come to these pack right here...and delete these" yup they aren't alive, it's just data XD
@daleroxas32184 жыл бұрын
Since these drops are RNG, might aswell not use loot scroll right? Much better to save those for other stuffs?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
It's a personal choice. RNG is RNG
@Tediotic3 жыл бұрын
In theori, using loot scroll would halfen the time for it to drop
@beyqn37473 жыл бұрын
Can you miss the pot piece? (if you grind too fast with high ap) for example, kill the mob and not loot the pot piece cause you didn't let your pet loot enough nore did you press R
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
Technically yeah, you'd want to make sure you loot the pot-piece-dropping mobs without fail.
@beyqn37473 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy thank you so much, great content !
@itachi97863 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy What if my pets miss it? Never gonna get it again? No second drop?
@gdavesd3 жыл бұрын
@@itachi9786 I was told the pets prioritize rare drops over trash loot, when many loots drops at the same time. The only case you would lose it is if your pet's loot pickup is on cooldown...
@itachi97863 жыл бұрын
@@gdavesd I Didn't know about this thanks
@Nyxlosure3 жыл бұрын
Es necesario tener loot scrolls activos?, solo me queda la pieza de Ronaros y llevo 1 mes allí, aproximadamente 10 horas diarias y todavía no me dan la pieza. Estoy bastante frustrado porque es la última que necesito y no tengo loot scrolls.
@el_raso-08643 жыл бұрын
Los loot scrolls ayudan y también estar en arsha
@el_raso-08643 жыл бұрын
Si estás en NA o EU ahora hay un evento que aumenta el drop también
@Nyxlosure3 жыл бұрын
Juego en Ps4 🤦🏻♂️
@Nyxlosure3 жыл бұрын
De todas formas, muchísimas gracias por tu respuesta... ahora mismo también estoy grindeando, todavía sin resultado
@R3ar3ntry3 жыл бұрын
anyone knows the % for the peices, i am currently 98 hours (bw peice, and got it) 123 hrs at sherekhan (dont have it yet) and 105 at Ronaros (dont have ronaros yet)
@mi_key3 жыл бұрын
Update?
@yougietanoey25364 жыл бұрын
Nice guide! Anyway what is your keyboard? I love the click sounds
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
LOL Logitech G513
@aeterna33924 жыл бұрын
Stupid question? Should i use loot scroll and luck tent buff or not?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
Personal choice. All my drops came on loot scroll, no tent buff. Rng is rng. At the same time I saw someone spend over 100 loot scrolls with 0 pot piece drops
@aeterna33924 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy okayy, thanks for the info
@muhdhakimihusnihamzah25723 жыл бұрын
U grind non stop? Or rest abit aafter hours?
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
do which ever, makes no difference. it's all RNG
@muhdhakimihusnihamzah25723 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy aight bro
@thehodler12133 жыл бұрын
Got it today!
@d3rmie3 жыл бұрын
does this work on season server as well?
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
yes
@ferradar3 жыл бұрын
How many hours did it take you to complete the three pieces in each spot?
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
was RNG carried. 23 min bw, 28 min sher, 20hr ron
@ferradar3 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy are you fkin kiddng me xD I would say a little bit more than rng carried geez
@yoshiimitsu91263 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy you use loot scroll ?
@iG4mes4 жыл бұрын
Hey :) does it work on ps4 too ?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
yeah man
@ziomek123904 жыл бұрын
is that EU? is orzeca out yet ?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
No I think it's coming out with O'dyll part 2 or something
@TRNFloyd3 жыл бұрын
37 mins to get bloodwolf piece at cadry's, 40 mins to get sherekhan piece at protty, but 32h into ronaros spot, which also my rotation was shown in the video. Spot is fine imo, and I almost never see people doing it but holy hell.. 23h since they added the pity, 4h today alone and got a total of 5 pity items(sitting at 49 total right now). I'm very hopeful that the 5h I do tomorrow gets me the piece. xD I know its a low drop rate, I'm just very much wanting to complete it before Oct 6th, and it seemed like I was getting very lucky until I started ronaros.. Wondering if I should have done the event location instead xD considering how I got the other two at the event locations.... Edit: Thanks for the vid though! I only really know of my ronaros rotation.
@TheJennerman2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@arek21023 жыл бұрын
Time i got mine thx to Ur giude bro : 1st part -3,5h 2nd 15min 3rd still on(2h atm no part)
@EatWasteland4 жыл бұрын
Pansy: I am new Player. Does it make sense to grind the Potions even if it's not the best money per hour? I've TET weapons and TRI Armor. Thank you, Kind regards
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
There's no answer of worth for the infinite potion. You could get it in 1 hour, you might not get it in 400 hours. RNG is RNG. If you wanna roll the dice by all means, you can start farming
@easypro Жыл бұрын
Where the combine part? lol
@neroprintingservices4 жыл бұрын
Good day, its my 3rd week hunting for the narc tear grind 3 to 4 hours then back down to navarn for the valtara once energy if fill vice versa still no luck.
@gregi7874 жыл бұрын
I kid you not, i have 2 of it at altnova storage. The 3rd one which was the very first drop. i threw it away being oblivious onto what it was 😂 don't lose hope, like he said you get it or you dont. I got carried on that narc
@nelsonuzumaki41304 жыл бұрын
isnt it lateh that drop the piece at night?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Lateh and Nybrica drop it at night
@alinvornicu77342 жыл бұрын
I neeed sherikans to complete the hp potion grind plz heeeelp
@АнтонМеньшин-й8ы3 жыл бұрын
bw 120+hrs lonaros 25hrs sherekhans 1kk+ mobs still nothing
@negan40894 жыл бұрын
I'm 150 hours in at blood wolves still no peice lol my luck is terrible
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
oof. sorry to hear man. RNG is RNG :s
@EHASZz3 жыл бұрын
I used your guides and the rare treasures discord for entire hp pot farm; First Piece Ronaros: 280k trash Second Piece Kagtums: 60k trash Third Piece Sherekhans: +1.2m trash good luck for all... Lastly, do not forget to do Ronaros Node Daily Quests for Peridot Leaf Edit: In my opinion don't sell the Garmoth Scale you can use them for Krogdalo Horse gear or crafting garmoth heart.
@fernandoruiz49633 жыл бұрын
did you use boosters like loot scrolls and tent buff?
@fiveofknives3 жыл бұрын
hey does this item still exist?
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Nebulisreconx3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never even used an hp potion outside of my first character. Though sage doesn’t hold as well as my tamer
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
I used to be the same. I think after I started grinding at Sycraia it became a thing for me
@hometowndad32313 жыл бұрын
Where's the discord info???
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
In the description
@DeathWolfSaint3 жыл бұрын
Subbed
@spikechang5563 жыл бұрын
I am not sure if this is true, but someone mentioned this to me. Is it possible to un-assemble the Infinite hp potion by using simple alchemy on it? If so, is there a link or source where it says that?
@ChoJun69 Жыл бұрын
if anyone is wondering and havent read guides that say so, then yes, you'll just get the 2 uncombined pieces with simple alchemy.
@palladiumbang44424 жыл бұрын
Hii, nice video, I just wanted to ask, we need to grind pice on pvp servers or can be droped from normal server?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
Ye it’ll drop on any server
@mrkrzemo76154 жыл бұрын
200h on blood wolves on main spot 17k trash per h still no potion part :D
@Zanozza944 жыл бұрын
bruh
@eddikrose9664 жыл бұрын
same ...
@theackermans-74794 жыл бұрын
got mine while at the main spot the second time since it contested. Other than that, I'm pretty sure I've stacked at least 250k trash loot in total before getting it :/ thought I'm going crazy but u r more unlucky :(
@skex27044 жыл бұрын
170h on Ronaros, to no avail
@mrkrzemo76154 жыл бұрын
Edit 232h still nothing
@Animo20063 жыл бұрын
300+ hours at Kagtums main rotation and still don't have the piece. Already got the other two pieces. FeelsBadMan.
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
Damn man, sorry to hear. hope you get it soon
@Animo20063 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy Thanks brotha
@Vogtmen4 жыл бұрын
Well done, thx :)
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
Thanks :D
@xoxagony4 жыл бұрын
CAN THIS STILL BE DONE?
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
yes o.O
@MuffinTopsADTR3 жыл бұрын
Wolves took me 50+ hours to get and it’s just my first piece…
@Animo20063 жыл бұрын
I've got 300+ hrs there as my last piece. From what I've been reading online, most people are having the hardest time with Kagtums piece.
@Arkeologen3 жыл бұрын
Just started my potion grind today wish me luck! i wonder how long it's gonna take me. I'll make sure to comment back when i get it xD
@garygaray8363 жыл бұрын
I killed 32k bloodwolves(no trash. I'm counting with marnies). No kagtunak.
@Arkeologen3 жыл бұрын
@@garygaray836 I'm at 10 hours now, no luck yet
@kevinyu66153 жыл бұрын
@@Arkeologen I am at 38hrs at Blood Wolf, still no drop. I grinds 2hrs at a time to keep myself from burnout.
@Arkeologen3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinyu6615 all with loot scroll?
@kevinyu66153 жыл бұрын
@@Arkeologen Yes loot scroll, and j scroll for the last couple days
@DaviiD4853 жыл бұрын
Funciona genial , fue ir al nodo matar el primer grupo y tocarme xd
@scottseibert4675 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been farming Ron’s for months now and still haven’t gotten my first piece yet😢😢😢 RNGesus isn’t on my side with this one.
@Life-bh2lk4 жыл бұрын
how rare are the drops
@the_real_tac55334 жыл бұрын
@@ThePiranha77 80hrs are nothing.
@the_real_tac55334 жыл бұрын
@Moe Dude i'm 400hrs+ at Sherekhan, but that stupid piece dont drop. 😒
@Despond4 жыл бұрын
@@ThePiranha77 80 hours lol if you are lucky
@ciferffm63674 жыл бұрын
63 Hrs Bloodwolfs, 2 Hrs Sheerekans, 14 Minutes Ronaros all on Arsha with LS and Tent Buff
@the_real_tac55334 жыл бұрын
@@ciferffm6367 dude wtf!? Give us that RNG! 🤣
@mitsuharu16543 жыл бұрын
so i am at 450k mobs at blood wolf settlement 0,o
@imPansy3 жыл бұрын
big yikes x.x sorry to hear
@odw1n3073 жыл бұрын
The guide took you loner to make than actually getting your potions
@Marksmanship1014 жыл бұрын
Wow this video is about how long it took you to get the potion LUL
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
No it's how long it took for me to get Ash *
@chinweichu79174 жыл бұрын
imPansy how long it took you to get ash. I am on 50 hrs right now I still don’t get it all the way with loot scroll.
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
@@chinweichu7917 I was RNG carried, got it within 30 min. I've heard someone go over 180 hrs as well. RNG is RNG unfortunately
@messydaystv36094 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy 120+hrs here and nothing
@ohmleth3 жыл бұрын
@@messydaystv3609 did you get it yet? (your comment is 1 month old right now)
@Arufadorizuki4 жыл бұрын
Its all about RNG , one RNG is RNG, no guide can lead to get the inifinite potion, just RNG
@imPansy4 жыл бұрын
Guide can show you what you need and where to grind.
@Arufadorizuki4 жыл бұрын
@@imPansy yeah its right, but the truth is all about RNG
@AmbitiousPanda3 жыл бұрын
@@Arufadorizuki rng doesn’t matter if your focusing the wrong mobs or not killing as many as possible
@okysatria85074 жыл бұрын
LOL i just got ronaros piece only 40 mnt grind on SEA server
@dimasfirmansyah88483 жыл бұрын
I got my first piece only for 5 minute Ash Halfmoon Kagtunak and after i got that thing , many player aim me idk why
@ozisike3 жыл бұрын
sherekhan is cancer asf holy
@diostrueno85753 жыл бұрын
merrorr
@pustiulicapustiu3 жыл бұрын
i start whit ronaros... i colect aprox 460 k trash..guardian suucc 239 ap. 300 dp... i take the small rotation... idk how many h.. but i am veryy slow.. i play JUST whit qucik slot skills... dont kill me thats me= one girl from guild make here 2 piece in less then 1000 ronaros kill..we make one guuild mission and drop 2 pieces in less then 1000 kill..no lott no agris NOTHING=... next was shekhan aprox 190 k trash whit nova suucc 245 ap 320 dp, i found one small spot whit aprox 40-45 mobs ..again quick slots skill.. was perfect for me... but now i try kagtum on season server whit striker 222 ap. 270 dp suucc colect until now aporx 800 k trash + now after season ends hashashin 240 ap. 300 dp awak ... i colect 700 k more AND no piece .. also i take the small rotation near the castle... aprox 20 execuuutioner..... one guy from guild grind whit maewa -279 ap 350 dp succ, colect more than 2,2 m trash no loot scroll until he find that stupid piece by mistake... when we fooling around chasing one red player... he stay near one pack and he juust kill the pack and the player.. and BOOOM piece= after he make second infinte potion and find the piece after less then 100 k trash ,and inf potion no 3 in 1m+.... i help one guy from guild to make chars lv 56... on kagtums.. and he atack and kill one pack WAS his first kagtum kill whit that char , and BOOM..the piece ... so i tink its just about the luuck... you have... i use only at kagtums gold and blue loot scrool , buff from tent , agris .... and NOOO LUCK i fill up more than 300 marni stones ( was way more but at aprox 300 i stop couwnting)... sorry for my bad english...
@pustiulicapustiu3 жыл бұрын
aaa and i forgot i have lv 10 at node kagtum :p
@largodeeprose3 жыл бұрын
What kind of ap and dp do you need to clear these areas? seems pretty high