Beach Volleyball Rules - Overhead Pass/Hand Setting

Clarification of the rules regarding hand setting in beach volleyball.
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**This video is for educational purposes. I do not own any of the clips in this video.**

[@korachk]

Omg! Watching it in 2021 and I am a semi-pro beach volleyball player and a teacher; all I can say is that it’s the best educational beach volleyball video that could ever be… I just came here to check one single rule(the very last rule) but I watched it all and enjoyed the language, simplicity and the no missing of any single rule… well done! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@bradenhollis5840]

Possibly the best beach volleyball video to date, Mr. Leblanc has done it again!

[@vbsmith72]

Love it Dane, possibly obfuscating an already confusing situation, but love it all the same, good work Dane!

[@nyvarsitysports]

Dude. Sharing. With everyone.

[@MAMP]

Todd's push is totally clean. 0:27

[@spgtenor]

100% clean, she had no business reffing!

[@ondrejsoroka8170]

How is it clean? he was not squared down the line he can play it but not in that direction. He slightly rotated while he was playing the ball

[@MeepMeep88]

@@ondrejsoroka8170 No one can even tell from that camera angle. Need actual drone footage to get an eagles eye view and then change the rules to determine how much leeway there is to the super generic rule being "squared with the shoulder"

[@ondrejsoroka8170]

@@MeepMeep88 what? You can see that he rotates while hitting. What do you want more?

[@benjjjjamin283]

@@ondrejsoroka8170 it was called a lift tho

[@user-oo6ef5oj5l]

Wowsa. So glad I found this video, Dane. We just had this controversy at our beloved, getting too old, call your own, outdoor rec play. It's rare, but when it's used in our group, it's usually the third hit. I accept the rule (now) but as someone who can't get to 95% of those "set overs" when we're playing 2v2 or even 3v3, I'm amazed it's not used more often. As long as the hit is clean and square to the shoulders, it could be played short over the net or all the way to the court marker. What puzzles me is, apparently, good, fast players are wary of and capable of covering all that ground. So that's why you rarely see it, because good players can get to those balls ?? tnx again

[@daneleblanc4636]

Yes, I think that's exactly why we rarely see this play at the highest level of competition.

[@nicktokar2459]

lol Todd was hilariously disrespectful. But, that did look clean imo.

[@ondrejsoroka8170]

I dont think so he turned a little bit. When he touched the ball he wasnt facing the way he hit the ball.

[@yoboyyash22]

Nice explanation

[@GimmieCookie]

Nice with the screenshots thanks

[@darinyee1703]

HI, thanks for the video! We just had a discussion last night in a league about setting over. The part I want clarification on is when someone sets over purposefully, can do they do it forcefully (is this considered a "throw"?) or does it have to put a set similar to many of the ones in your video where it has more of an arc?

[@daneleblanc4636]

There is no rule about the ball's trajectory when using the overhead pass as an attack. As long as it's clean and through the shoulders it is legal.

[@andresgimeno8001]

@@daneleblanc4636 does this actually mean that meanwhile I’m facing in the direction I am throwing the ball and the touch is clean, point is good, right? I got a complain first because of slight spin = calling for double (touch felt good in my hands and the ball was coming with huge spin from first contact) and second because I was not 90° to the shoulder line (probably no one is, but the ball was 100% played between my shoulders and in the direction I was looking). Thanks in advance and awesome vídeo.

[@waltermelon5672]

Maybe it was adresser in the video. Can you set on first touch?

[@simonhwang4]

Could you add callout boxes saying whether a given example is good or bad? for instance, you don't explain whether 2:19 would be considered legal or not.

[@SimasSkilinskas]

Seems legal to me

[@Nath_CM]

Amazing! But so complicated

[@thumbnutz]

So the rule you posted says "hands/fingers simultaneous in contacting the ball" but then at 3:23 you boil a double down to "if one hand leaves the ball before the other". Why is the order in which they leave the ball more important than the order in which they contact the ball?

[@daneleblanc4636]

I misspoke. I believe that a double should be called if the ball doesn't enter the hands cleanly.

[@smokeypillow]

4:55 Imma start setting over the net tight and pretend I was trying to set my teammate LOL

[@utilid4lifefigureitout602]

On a double that has no spin... your 1st touch could make the ball spin for a fraction of a second, and then your 2nd touch stabilizes the ball to no spin. I think that's the case in 99% of double hits that have no spin.

[@eaz89]

One thing that I constantly hear different opinion on is whether or not you can receive the first touch (not the serve) as a volley. Could anyone help clarify?

[@daneleblanc4636]

Two of my other videos cover rules about the first contact. Part 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYm0XnqMfayCeNU and Part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqG4kn6Dd719i5Y See if those can answer your questions!

[@KP-dd2ci]

You can on both...i.e. serve and first touch, as long as it's clean, clean, clean, clean.

[@briang5753]

Can you clarify the last point you are making? You state "the last exception" in reference to a play where wind carries a legal set to the opponent's side of the court. But I'm not sure if you're saying that it's the setting team's point or the setting team's fault.

[@daneleblanc4636]

If a player uses their hands to set their partner and the ball unintentionally goes over the net to their opponent's side, there is no fault and play should continue. As long as the player is attempting to set their partner it doesn't matter if his shoulders are square to the ball's trajectory.

[@briang5753]

Excellent clarification, thank you Dane. There's some confusion on the rules where I play. On a similar issue, I've been told that every overhand set must be square to the shoulders, even if it's not at attack. I see from your explanation and the rulebook that this idea is false. An overhand set to a hitter does not need to be square to the shoulders, as long as it is clean.

[@bluepawn]

@@daneleblanc4636 As referee I will always say : fault ! yes there's so good comedians on the courts. The sudden wind and the bad set (correct set)... ok... otherwise : Fault. The referee will tell.

[@robertjones2496]

@@bluepawn you can not be a ref then....look up CBVA rule 12.4

[@Camiket]

Can we jump and attack using an overhand pass while in the trajectory of our shoulders ?

[@daneleblanc4636]

Yes.

[@SeanReyes]

lol @ 0:30 with todd rogers

[@abbacadabra6530]

What happens if you play at open rec with someone for more than 5+ years and they still can't figure out what a double or a lift is. Is that stupidity or just bad sportsmanship?

[@spgtenor]

Could be both.

[@pokemonmasta4831]

So is it a legal point when I set and the ball goes over the net unintentionally?

[@daneleblanc4636]

As long as the set is clean and you're attempting to set your partner. Here's a good example kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6CTYYOVqN6BfLs

[@cultsulth]

@@daneleblanc4636 How is this legal? It is clearly not perpendicular

[@ondrejsoroka8170]

@@cultsulth the set does not have to be perpendicular anymore

[@UseeUcan]

Is it OK to set like indoor volleyball in beach volleyball? Anyone could answer please.

[@daneleblanc4636]

You're going to have to be more specific. Some (but not all) sets that would not be called a double indoors would be called a double on the sand. Indoor setters tend to get a bit more leniency, especially if they set while making an "athletic move."

[@MeepMeep88]

2:24 lol sooooooo.... Is that a lift or not? Or are you agreeing with all the refs calls as being correct in the video?

[@daneleblanc4636]

Not a lift.

[@lupocci]

You say: " an important distinction is that the player's shoulders must be perpendicular when the ball is first touched not just when it is released". I do not find that rule anywhere in the FIVB rules...but I feel as it has to be it. Any way you can confirm it somehow?

[@daneleblanc4636]

Check out the FIVB casebook. Under attack hit, section 5.7.3. "... [the player can intentionally back-set attack] provided that the ball travels in a trajectory perpendicular to the line of the player’s shoulders, and that the player has established his/her shoulder position before the initial contact is made (either in a forward or backward direction)." The ruling is written kind of strangely, because the 'case' doesn't specify that this is for a handset, but it's really the only context that the answer makes sense. That and the reference is to the rule about attacking through the shoulders with open hands.

[@dondon98]

Theyre letting a TON of bad sets go in FIVB

[@dondon98]

Man... that ball WILL spin IF its DOUBLED People...

[@masonsherman22]

Great video except remove the language about a "Lift". There is no such thing as a "lift"in the rule book. The contact is either a "Catch" or a "Throw"

[@daneleblanc4636]

True, but it’s a very common term in discussion (both John King and Sinjin Smith use it in the clips I pulled for this vid). “Hand set” isn’t in the rule book either, for that matter.

[@doobiesith6339]

Directions confusing, hand stuck in toaster

[@BlankFile]

4:36 was a catch.

[@SimasSkilinskas]

Why? I think the contact was good, hands did not go low with the ball. It was an illegal attack, because it was not between his shoulders.

[@bluepawn]

The 2nd touch should be always a bump... no arguing anymore.