Bear Spray Against Grizzlies?

[@gonagain]

I know some of you will want to know that I carry a G20 in 10mm while hiking and keep a 12 gauge handy in camp.

[@nodescriptionavailable3842]

G20 was my first, strictly for bear defense, once I became a father I decided to be proactive in preventing my face from being ripped off in front of my daughter. You may never need it but peace of mind is the real beauty, just watch out for lead in that g20 coated hardcast only unless your running an aftermarket barrel, I love my 100% stock gen4. Your message is important and politics has nothing to do with it.

[@hairydogstail]

I switched to a Gock 20 in 10mm along time ago, good choice..

[@robertmcclain5032]

Doing a kindness, for someone isn't always about being nice to them. Gonagain, no apology is warranted nor necessary for the harsh reality of your informative lecture. Many injuries, and fatalities fall within two categories. Ignorance, and complacency.

[@AlaskaErik]

@@nodescriptionavailable3842 In Alaska we use Buffalo Bore 220 gr in our Glock 20. It's a hard cast bullet, so lead fouling is not an issue.

[@David-e1b3t]

Sensible choices.

[@flyontop]

Finally someone with common sense on the subject. Right on 💯!

[@TOMAS-lh4er]

I wish he mentioned that we can always fire a shot or two in the air at first when the bear is still a way off, a friend of mine uses M-80s firecrackers,

[@RT-gv6us]

I am a backpacker. Love the outdoors. At the risk of sounding like I am bragging, let me say that I have put in MANY hours of research to determine the best way to keep myself safe in the woods. I have looked at both sides of this issue. I have looked at the statistics and taken my time to come to a fair and unbiased conclusion. My findings are as follows: In bear country a firearm is superior to bear spray. However, it is crucial that the person carrying the firearm is well practised and capable of making accurate shots in less than ideal circumstances. Many firearms owners do not put in the time to ensure that they are ready when the need arises. Get a firearm and practice. Also need to buy the RIGHT kind of ammo for a woods defense situation.

[@ANT18621]

100% agreed.

[@Rosakru]

I completely agree. As a former gold explorer staking claims and taking mineral samples, my defence kit consisted of bear bangers(a minor deterance shot from a pen sized launcher), a S&W 45 magnum revolver, and finally a 12 gauge shotgun chambered with alternating buckshot and slugs. After my stories of working in the north of BC, I had a friend who decided to go tree planting during university break. Sadly for him, his choice to be armed with only bear bangers cost him his leg when he ended up chased and treed by an angry grizzly. He was fortunate to survive.

[@mountainman7361]

Good advice!

[@wallacejeffery5786]

Amen

[@jonathanklisko4773]

I call bullshit. Show me one, just one bit of evidence to support that.

[@Volunteersunrise]

Great advice, Rick. Grizzly Bears are the Apex threat and we are wise to be prepared..

[@nancyst.john-smith3891]

Great topic. I’ve shared before that I lived in Alaska for 30 years. My friend’s dad, Mr Cates, used to hike the Funny River trail every day to get in shape for hunting. He would sit on a log and fire up his backpacking stove to have a snack. The last time he did it a big brown bear stalked him and killed him. Mr Cates was experienced and careful. You can find articles about this bear attack by searching Cates bear attack on the Kenai. Keep a clean camp! On a trip to the Kustatan River some bears had trashed a tent full of donuts and other food and drink that was set up for an international flight seeing group. We heard cubs bawling that night, off in the distance. They kept coming our way and we ended up firing a shotgun blast in the dirt in front of a sow and her 2 year old cubs, which deterred them and got us through the night. We had a fire as well. They were back in the morning on the Kustatan River watching us catch Coho/silver salmon. we left that day by float plane. After they trashed a different float plane in the fall they were put down. All because they were habituated to finding food in camps. It was sobering to see bear scat with candy bar wrappers in it all the while the river was full of salmon and ripe berries were covering the banks.

[@JohnSmith-pn1vv]

Yeah they love processed sheet. I was working in humboldt county northern cali one year. A black bear broke into my car and stole all my chocolate, but left the tuna😤

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@JohnSmith-pn1vv That’s too funny!! They know the good stuff!! 🍫 Sorry about your car though! That’s awful! :(

[@Bumblingdesertdweller]

Years ago, I saw a comic in a backpacking magazine. Mama bear, daddy bear, and two baby bears standing on a hill, looking down on a camp full of little tents. Mama bear said, I love how these come individually wrapped for freshness.

[@nancyst.john-smith3891]

And the Far Side one that showed a polar bear with an igloo behind him, clearly having been munched on. The bear said “yummm! Crunchy on the outside chewy in the middle”. (Paraphrasing)

[@brettharsanye5939]

Too many people drinking the coolaide. And the constant bs from the anti gun media. I guess self preservation is a dieing concept. Too many sheep. O I think I told you this before rick I carry a Glock 10mm. I just purchased a colt 44mag anaconda 4.25 barrel. Nice revolver little expensive. Carry on gunners

[@Harry-mp1tf]

I saw one years ago about a bear and a rabbit that were taking dump in the woods, side by side. The bear asked the rabbit, "hey... do you have problems with it sticking to your fur?" and the rabbit replied, "No. Not really". So the bear picked him up and wiped his hiney with him. 😂

[@cooganalaska3249]

Papa bears don't hang with mothers with cubs.

[@Bumblingdesertdweller]

@@cooganalaska3249 it was a cartoon skit. You know, a joke. Try not to take life so seriously.

[@H.pylori]

Sir, thank you for this video. It is about time that someone on youtube stood up and told the truth about having "protection" when out in the wilderness. The other travelers have videos about self-protection when traveling off grid, especially the solo campers, but when it comes down to having adequate protection they are afraid to mention the firearms that they carry as well. I suppose they are afraid of negative comments or youtube censure. And like you stated, the pioneers did not go out into the wilderness without a rifle. Also, I worked in Yellowstone National Park in the 1970s, and we were always told to be vigilant when hiking in the back country on our days off, and to make noise and make yourself look bigger and to slowly retreat when a grizzly came after you. Yet, every time a park ranger went out to patrol the backcountry, they had one or two rifles on the rack in the back of the pickup truck as well as their sidearms. So clearly the rangers knew better. It is unfortunate that in today's criminal climate, we, a "civilized" nation are almost forced to be armed, especially in the wilds. There are no police to respond when you are in the middle of nowhere, the two-legged creatures and career criminals are out there, armed, and will show you about as much mercy as the grizzly. Remember, firearms for farmers and ranchers in the West are tools for survival, and are a part of riding out to mend fences or check on herds. Better to carry and have protection and if caught, get a misdemeanor ticket than to be the object of a "breaking news" story about a hiker mauled by a grizzly on the local broadcast station. And of course, always use common sense and try to back away, and know how to shoot and maintain your firearm.

[@gonagain]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, hope it helps to convince others to be prepared in the wilderness.

[@jeffk464]

I think maybe youtube will demonetize them.

[@dogsarethebestfriends]

Not a rant but an honest response to why people need to think about the many ways to camp safely so you can enjoy this gorgeous country but stay alive. This is also why I choose to have a cargo trailer as I would never get any sleep in a tent. Between things that slither on the ground or want to eat my food or me and my dog 😮… nope

[@gonagain]

I totally agree with you! ~~Linda

[@IsraelonFoot]

I blame the Canadian authorities for their deaths…at least in part…for forbidding guns in the backcountry of their national parks.

[@frankhuggins9733]

I carry regardless of stupid human rules.

[@JoshSmith-du1sw]

They could a not went there

[@GE-pu8vt]

Finally, someone who is in the real world when it comes to dealing with dangerous predators. Thank you...

[@jerrycollison3929]

RIGHT ON, Brother!!!!! Right on!!!! The other thing is people “JOGGING” on forest trails. When we lived in Alaska, more than once there were folks “mauled” by a bear who chased them. They’re just like dogs, they chase anything running.

[@scottmcfarland2149]

💯 Rick!! Government doesn't legally allow fires in most places as we all know. Personally I don't travel where I can't have a fire or my firearm most of the time. The old ways weren't primitive they are practical and necessary for self preservation. They still are. Nuff said.😁🐾🙏🏻✌🏻🤙🏻

[@johnb1567]

Its the few that ruined it for the rest. You have people leaving fires unattended and irresponsible people carrying firearms. They had to ban them because of the id10ts.

[@TxVet1027]

Agree. I wouldn't camp anywhere that I couldn't legally carry a firearm when needed.

[@DontStepInTheGrease]

That was great information about a campfire. Never realized it's a natural deterant.

[@whittlingcowboy]

@@DontStepInTheGrease How ever where I used to live it was great entertainment to go to the local landfill and watch both black bears and grizzlies scavenge even when it was being burned!

[@DontStepInTheGrease]

We did that too when I was a kid in the Adirondacks.

[@InvisibleVisible793]

Great point. Pet owners taking their pets, as what, the sacrificial lamb? Going to the great outdoors, don't leave your brain cells at home, nor your gun.

[@bryanschwertner3585]

Agree COMPLETELY!!! I carry on our day hikes. As for the 2legged threat in town, you are exactly right comparing it to the wild. But I’ve heard “you don’t know his story….” Yes, I do! 34 years, 31 in patrol division, that’s how I know! Thank you for this video! ANY person’s life is worth more than a wild animal’s!

[@gonagain]

Thank you. Bryan!

[@glenpaul3606]

With exception of thugs, gang bangers and vicious criminals.

[@outdoorsinoregon]

You are correct, sir. The "experts" also used to tell you that playing dead was the best defense. I say it's the best way to end up dead. And bear spray might stop a brown bear that's just curious, but not one in full attack mode. Before tent camping in bear country some years back, I read just about everything I could find regarding documented bear attacks. The brown bear is unique in that it can and will continue an attack even with mortal wounds (Lewis and Clarke documented such an encounter). Carrying a rifle was not feasible in my situation, and I read about a couple of successful brown bear defense encounters using handguns. I recall one was by a forest ranger who used his service pistol - a .40 cal hand gun. It took 12 rounds to put the grizzly down. The .40 cal has a good combination of size and velocity, with more lethality than some larger rounds, and can be had with large capacity mags without much bulk. As stated, a high powered rifle or shotgun would be much better than a hand gun, but I'd take a high capacity .40 cal (or similar) hand gun over bear spray every day of the week. A more powerful round would be better, but the high powered hand guns are typically in revolver style with only 6 rounds, and you have to assume you're not going to land every round when the bear is a chargin' and your hands are a shakin'. Bear spray is just pepper seasoning for the human steak.

[@glenstribling6123]

Hiking and came across a lady with a toddler who was just crying and screaming. I kind of kept an eye on them until they got back to their car. Always wondered if she would have been upset to know a guy with a gun was protecting her and her kid. Some of these people are plain nuts.

[@will7its]

Lucky you didn't get arrested......

[@glenstribling6123]

@@will7its Yeah, that would be interesting. I'm more subtle than that plus I had my uniform on.

[@midwestmatthew9752]

My wife would have been glad to know it. (She also would know better than to hike in grizzly country with an uncontrollable bear call.)

[@bernardstevens3613]

Welcome to Reality! Our wilderness is not a petting zoo!

[@marktaylor8659]

Good rant. I worked for (and retired from) a large oil company. I spoke with several geologists who told me when they were working in Alaska in remote areas, they were each trained with and issued a Marlin 1895 in .45-70 while in the field. None had ever had any encounters with bears or other wildlife, but all were glad they had the rifle. That was back in the 90s. Things might have changed these days.

[@shilohandme3697]

In today’s world the life of the bear is more valuable than yours or your love ones. I respect all life but I will defend mine and my loved ones. Thank you for the courage to address this topic.

[@shilohandme3697]

@@geocam2 All of the American continent is bear territory. I don’t intend to stay out of it. It is as much mine as it is his.

[@denisekyle6603]

So glad , grateful and happy you addressed this topic!! Two hunters were killed in BC by a grizzly bear as they were field dressing a deer , their rifles were just a couple of feet away, one should have been standing guard and the other field dress . Also drives me nuts when people stop on side of highways to feed the elk , deer or other animals, not only very extremely dangerous but a “fed bear is absolutely dangerous bear “ but they usually have to be put down because they go from being afraid of humans to stalking humans, grizzly is a stealth stalker “ soon as a bear or other animals get food with human scent then there is no stopping them and they can go from 0 to approximately 35 miles per hour in a couple of seconds ( I know by experience!) important to keep a clean camp , never ever eat or cook food in your tent , nothing in a tent but clothing, no toothbrush or paste , shampoo or other toiletries , even more dangerous than a grizzly is Moose , they can be very far away and decide to attack you ! Normal healthy animals for the most part stay away from humans, if one is charging it means something else is up with it or you are between mom and baby

[@shortmeister4321]

Excellent advice thank you!

[@gonagain]

Thanks for sharing, all good advice that people should heed.

[@operationNOBO]

Moose cant turn quickly when running after you...bears can.

[@vangen08]

If attacked by a moose, get behind a big or medium size tree. Keep moving around the tree if the moose tries to get to you. It sure is not very flexible, and not very smart, and will soon give up after having been standing at the other side of the tree, staring at you, not knowing what to do. This worked for me...😉

[@kendesmarais9018]

I’ve had friends charged by moose two separate times. One was a rutting bull the other was a female with young that was not that close but decided to charge them anyway.

[@freeandhappy8562]

I absolutely agree with your views on security in camp/town and against dangerous animals 100% Great episode.

[@gonagain]

Thank you!

[@badgerpa9]

Sir you make too much sense, can't have that now days... I agree with you and tend to avoid places that don't allow self defense. Stay safe and healthy.

[@gregshuttleworth4465]

Agree 💯

[@airstreamer]

We needed to know this. Thank you for saying truthfully what needs to be said! - Michelle

[@nature10879]

Thank you very much. Its also a wise way to deal with the two legged freaks that might cause you harm. I have seen videos mt lions one trying to attack and one had to be shot to stop the attack. Dude literally shot it while on the air jumping at him after many warnings as per expert instructions. Personally I'll have 2 while hiking or camping in bear country. Also trailers provide more safety than fragile tents

[@Mrelindio42]

I have a Cabelas Alakanac tent with a bear door in it. Lucky I wasn't in it at the time. It was a black bear.

[@1greggideon]

I totally agree with you on this one. Sadly there’s a few or more people who don’t understand and can’t , for legal purposes, carry firearms. Some people are just plain ignorant about bears and other wildlife. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

[@dougjohnston156]

I hope everyone with bear spray on board considers your advice and acts on it. Thank you!

[@abeautifullife5303]

Great video! Only looney lefties would have a problem with this video! Apologies to any watching, but in what reality are you living...? I live in a constitutional REPUBLIC! Love you guys!

[@jeannemarcinek4575]

What is really sad is in this video Rick is talking about is using common sense in protecting yourself against bears. Not politics, this shows where your mindset is, as you make off splinter remarks that make no common sense, I will pray for you that you may stay on the subject at hand and do not go off on a RANT of your own. Watch Scary Bear Attacks you may learn something.

[@gonagain]

Thank you!

[@jacksherman7445]

I felt this video was a useful piece of information. Please note that it is possible to be a leftie around some issues, like health care, safety nets, school programs, immigration and also support the use of firearms for protection.

[@kevinstarski1598]

Unfortunately a lot of Americans will turn seemingly any subject into a political stance. @@jeannemarcinek4575

[@davec9244]

Point taken! thank you for ALL you do and sharing your knowledge and experience. Stay safe ALL.

[@adamstewart7465]

Unless your Jerry Mckulek you're probably just going to really piss off a grizzly with handgun. Incredibly tough animal.

[@janedelaney7]

I'm 69 and hike less than I did in the past. I haven't camped in a tent since the 70's. I do carry a revolver for protection. I grew up on a farm, so firearms were a part of life. It's common sense to have the means to protect oneself or others in any environment.

[@karenharker2356]

Well spoken Rick. And taken to heart, I love you practical , reasonable, truthful logic.

[@soundwave0125]

Agree 100 percent people dont think about every situation like wind direction ect and why spray annoys a bullet really hurts more & gets message across faster .

[@rogertemple7193]

Great to hear your information and tips on traveling, camping and this one about Grizzlies and the bear spray was really an important thing to talk about Thank You and God Bless You. 🇺🇸👋🤠👋🇺🇸

[@gonagain]

Thank you!

[@New-Mexico-Old-School-Proud]

Excellent info Rick .I agree 100%. What I may also add is it's not only the animals in the woods but truth be told there are also human predators that unfortunately roam the camp grounds and forests as well and look for prey.I personally have hiked up on illegal grow operations and other dangerous activities where they are least expected, not fun. Be safe,be prepared, and God bless.

[@gonagain]

Thank you!

[@falcon3719]

Hike & camp with armed friends.

[@jeffreykropp7664]

Although very few grizzlies in NH, Mr. Glock always accompanies me into the woods. Bear spray lives in my trailer in case of HUMAN intrusion.

[@debbynelson9600]

Like Montana guy said, there are NO grizzlies in NH

[@BackcountryTreks]

Grizzlies in NH? Sorry that’s incorrect.

[@T18skyguy]

Some bears actually like the bear spray. They have been seen rolling on the red spray on the ground. I'm with you. I carry an FN 10 millimeter and a 12 gauge Bullpup shotgun. A shotgun to the face will slow them down enough for you to get out your 10 millimeter. The issue with the pistol is if it's a full on charge, you have to hit them with the first round ,cause they can cover 30 yards in 2 seconds, and you might not have time for a second shot. Very sensible advice you have. Too many young people think grizzlies are like Yogi Bear.

[@jaredpeterson380]

Well said. Better to have and not need than need and not have!

[@nature10879]

We just had a mt lion attack in California which was fetal to a young man while the other one who it injured escaped away to seek help. It reminded me of this video why its important to be armed. They tried to look bigger and did everything they were thought but it still attacked. You just never know, stay safe out there everyone

[@robertgullickson8758]

Very sensible advice! A true outdoorsman. You make some pretty good points about firearms and being in "their country". Thank you for your good advice. Enjoy your next adventure.

[@Eric-4501]

I live in Alabama in the country on 11 acres. When I leave the immediate area of my yard to go further on the property I am always armed. We have coyotes, and bobcats that regularly show up on my trail cams. There have been reports of mountain lions and black bears not far from here as well. It only makes sense to protect yourself. I agree that the wind doesn’t affect a bullet as much as it affects a cloud of bear spray.

[@graciel3725]

I couldn't say any of it better myself! And while my husband carries, I decided I am going to purchase something more robust than my bear spray. Thanks for a dose of common sense!

[@gonagain]

Glad you're getting something more robust than the spray; you can carry both. Linda is always armed.

[@raylau7656]

I live in BC and camp in remote places solo. I was convinced by my RCMP friend many years ago that I was an idiot for going to these places armed only with a slingshot and a fishing rod! I now camp with a .12 gauge triple barrel shotgun and a .44 mag rifle close by my side. After spending many years hiking into Grizzly country armed with only a pocket knife, you need to be very smart on how to avoid confrontations! Make lots of noise, be wary of your food at all times, and then make more noise. Great video on bear spray vs firearms!!

[@applesbighatranch6906]

Rick, thank you for being a Voice of Reason. You have offered historical context along with valid reasons to defend oneself against dangerous game if they attack. Firearms in the hands of responsible citizens are strictly for DEFENSE! and never for offense. Seek training, practice proficiency on any regular basis. Enjoy the outdoors with a greater sense of security against all predators, four-legged or two.

[@shelbyburgey884]

Good to hear this from someone with common sense!! I will not go into griz country without a firearm. I will not sleep in a tent in griz country.

[@Steve-Goff]

Excellent advice. There’s all kinds of predators in this world. You have to always have situational awareness and stay prepared

[@krubbyscountrylife]

In Canada we have tight laws on firearms. We are not allowed sidearms for protection unless you are able to get special permiting and that is very rare. Unless your are law enforcement. For bush protection Long guns like a Defender 12gauge is your only choice or other rifle. If your in a Park Especially a National park its Zero Guns period. So Bear spray is your only choice other than. Being smart. Etc.

[@christhomas6419]

Carrying a very sharp spear, aka walking stick

[@MOTrav]

Good rant! It’s always smart to be properly prepared.

[@charlesglandon7840]

Great advice people think they would have time to do all the friendly things to that bear...that bear wants to kill you pull your large caliber firearm and stop him. People also think that they can just call the police if they are threatened in town by a thug, just how long will it take for the police to respond to come save you or someone else? Our right to carry a firearm has ben so watered down, every one should carry so thugs would think about not bothering you. Thanks for your videos.

[@gonagain]

Thank you for watching!

[@DavidCST-r4f]

I don't often comment, but I agree with you completely. Thank you for doing this video. You are right on! Keep the great videos coming. Thank You!

[@gonagain]

I appreciate that!

[@needparalegal]

Betting my life on a spray that only causes discomfort is not a bet I would ever make. Bear spray is a good deterrent to discourage the bear if you are confident enough you can draw a backup weapon in time.

[@prmath]

I salute you. 🙏🏼 God bless people like you that carry with good sense……

[@billroberts9182]

Truth is, most people cannot accurately shoot a pistol! Especially under duress! Bear spray is better suited for people who are not competent in gun handling. Ding bats enjoy the out-of-doors as much as people born with logic centers. While working in Alaska, I always carried a .44 mag and I practiced with it. I always hoped I'd never need it (I didn't). My son and I were charged in the Alaska Range by a sow with two cubs- luckily she stopped just short of us- we each had a .300 Win Mag with our fingers on the triggers. It happened so fast and was over in 5 seconds- thankfully she got her cubs and ran off.

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

Informed and common sense advice. Here in Wyoming, there is a very real chance of getting "self-sprayed"...we're the windiest state in the USA; 15-20 MPH breezes are the norm, 40-50 is not at all uncommon, and 80-100 happens a couple times a year. At least two of the most recent fatal grizzly attacks involved bear spray...obviously it wasn't as universally effective as many "experts" make it out to be. When I go into bear country I carry a snub-nosed 454 Casull, because I have it with me at all times, it can be used one-handed, and the loads I use will out-penetrate anything from a shotgun and any rifle short of a 416 Rigby. Be safe out there!

[@mountainman7361]

Last year while camping in a area where Grizzlies and black bears are very active, I was at the end of the road with a small camper when a older couple came hiking up the trail headed into the mountains. They both had small backpacks on and was clearly intending to be out for the day. I spoke to them briefly, long enough to ascertain they were not locals and I asked them if they had any means to defend themselves against bears? They obviously were surprised by the question. No firearm, no bear spray and no mental consciousness of the danger they were placing themselves in. I dug around and found an extra bear spray and gave it to them and they went on into the woods. It served to make me aware that a lot of people are not aware of the seriousness of the danger posed by the introduction of Grizzlies back into The Northwest by the Federal fish and Wildlife Service. These bears are increasing every year, making it more and more dangerous to venture into the mountains. A grizzly bear is extremely intelligent and fears nothing. To a Grizzly, you are nothing but protein, and if he is hungry, he will not hesitate to stalk you just like he does the elk or deer, or even black bears. (Yes bears eat other bears) I am glad someone finally tells the unvarnished truth about bear spray. While I may halt a bluff charge, if a Grizzly sees you as a threat or a meal, it most assuredly will not stop them.

[@tpo1342]

NOT A RANT. Common sense. You are dealing with an apex predator with no fear of anything. Up to 800 lbs and 8 ft tall. Good luck spraying it with anything.

[@martinbunn8366]

A357mag is m favorite bear spray

[@lzemo]

Might be a little light. Better than nothing.

[@gsp49]

And I prefer the Ruger GP100 357

[@Dav-S5658]

@@gsp49 Excellent choice with good ammo. I carry a GP100 Match Champion loaded with Buffalo Bore hard cast, in a chest holster. The best choice will always be the gun you shoot best.

[@will7its]

@@gsp49 I got the security six......

[@will7its]

@@lzemo Its a lot easier to shoot than the bigger ones.....

[@CommonSensePlease-1]

Bears spray is actually pretty effective. There’s countless examples of this. Yellowstone Rangers use it all the time to thwart charges. It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t carry a firearm as well. I live and spend a lot of time in grizzly country. I carry bear spray and a 10 mm M&P. Bear spray or firearm don’t work all the time. Bear spray can piss a bear off, but so can wounding a bear.

[@leonceboudreauxwolf]

Good , realistic advice, thank you. Too many people live in a Disney fantasy where their idea of a bear is Yogi Bear, not realistic at all, and very dangerous. You made some very good points and I won't go over them again but , hopefully your sensible advice, if taken, will save some lives. You don't owe anyone an apology . 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@rustyreid]

I would not place supreme confidence in your pistol against a charging Grizzly either. Read Lewis and Clark's journals and you'll find them incredulous at how many direct shots (in those days of heavy balls) a Grizzly could take and still be coming at you.

[@patricklondon962]

You're a wise man. I've never carried bear spray I just couldn't convince myself it would stop a bear. Firearm for me every time I'm in the wild.

[@timmanion2197]

I think it’s not unreasonable to say that carrying EITHER bear spray OR a firearm (especially a handgun (big bore or not) in grizzly country - both of which have been used effectively in attacks; both of which have failed to stop same - and thinking you’re good to go, is a dangerous mistake. Effective use of either requires training with the tool, and that’s way more true of a firearm than spray. Clearing a holstered handgun, presenting with precision, and hitting a moving target, all at an unforgiving speed - as anybody who’s spent any time trying to develop, much less master the critical movements of this skill knows. Now add an adrenalin dump nearly impossible to imagine, and difficult to train for….. I’m not arguing against responsible gun owners carrying in the backcountry, if they choose to do so. I am saying that a 44mag in a cool-looking Alaskan guide chest rig, in itself, ain’t gonna stop a charging grizzly sow busting out of brush 15 feet away by itself. It may actually give someone who hasn’t trained with it extensively and regularly over a long period of time a false sense of security that can dull the situational awareness that would have kept that same someone well away from that brush in the first place. At any rate, not arguin’, - folks are gonna do what they’re gonna do - just an encouragement to a little sober realism that, in the moment, is gonna serve much better than a fantasy. Sorry for the length… Be safe -and smart - Out There.

[@doskraut]

Only one time I hunted in the mountains and I had my Desert Eagle L5 44 Magnum , I'm quite happy living in the Mojave desert.

[@herbieschwartz9246]

Bear spray is good at two things: 1. Providing false security to dumb/naive/anti-gun city people who go into the wilderness. 2. Making a lot of money for the bear spray manufacturers who perpetuate the myth of efficacy of bear spray.

[@sasquatch885]

Excellent advise!👍🏻

[@gonagain]

Thanks for watching!

[@noryaa4194]

Bear spray is a camping gimmick fad. It was invented for sales. A bear will, if it decides it is going to attack, run right through a spray. With its mass and speed. Right through it. You must have a gun in bear country. If you just don't like guns, you must carry two tomahawks and a large heavy knife has a hand guard. I would also suggest everyone not using a gun in bear country to wear a mountain climbing helmet and use a heavyweight canvas neck wrap. Forearm leather armor "chaps" are also what i suggest. One should practice chopping motions with the tomahawk double handed, choked up with one hand, one handed, both close to the body and wide open swinging (both). The bear knife should be holstered in the center of your chest. I also go into areas that have bears with a walking rod ("walking stick") that has a simple spear point on the eabd of it. The walking rod can be a spear.

[@hairydogstail]

I'm 64 years old and grew up in the woods of western Montana..My home and work has always been in the woods..I never go into the woods without a firearm..Whether it is for 2 legged or 4 legged predators, I'm always armed and prepared..Real unbiased studies have shown even a 9mm handgun is a better deterrent than bear spray..The people in power care more for animals than people sad to say..Even this topic is political... I couldn't agree more with you..I knew you were smart!

[@gonagain]

Haha, thanks! We're always armed.

[@realist7190]

Sir you really need to review the circumstances of the grizzly attack and deaths of the very experienced back country travelers and their dog near our home in the Rocky Mountains near YaHa Tinda on the boundary of Banff National Park. The attack did not occur in Banff which is a tourist town within the park boundary about 80 plus kilometres away in Alberta Canada. The lone sow grizzly was very old and very skinny so starving, plus was not known to park rangers or local guides. Having been trained and supplied pepper spray (bear spray) training extensively, no instructor ever explains bear spray is the absolute answer to all bear encounters especially grizzly encounters. And quite frankly carrying a firearm is not the absolute solution either. It takes a very experienced shooter to leathally hit a bear who want to eat you for dinner as most of us train shooting handguns out to about 20 meters and an angered or triggered bear can close on you in less than 3 seconds. So don’t plan living through the experience. Avoiding bear confrontations is about understanding them and the several phases the bears will experience in a given year, mixed with their previous encounters with humans. (Which will be unknown to you) Examples like are they being fed by humans either on purpose or access to dog and cat food outside on porches, or human garbage left outside. The arrogance of humans is one of the biggest issues like photos too close or not getting off the trail when you see a bear. Dropping wrappers, cigarette butts, trail mix, carrying fish and raw meat and chicken in our backpack into the mountains, pouring meat fat into the bushes or rocks near camp. Spitting out toothpaste also attracks bears. Bears in the spring do not plan to attack live animals (including humans) they usually patrol avalanche run outs, train track rightaways, along highway snow banks looking for road kill, rivers, it is easier to scavenge than risk getting hurt actually chaising down an animal that is going to fight for their life. It simply takes too much energy after being weakened by hibernation. Make lots of noise and the bears will avoid you. If you see bear tracks in the mud don’t go looking for them, understand bears use rivers and creeks like humans use roads! Water drainages provide fresh grass, fish, bugs, and other animals that need to drink, so don’t camp at the waters edge. So avoid these areas again education!j

[@posteroonie]

Bear Hunting Magazine has an article on line titled "Firearm Vs. Bear Spray". It mentions the wind factor, accessing the weapon, carrying both spray and gun, and other points. Here's part of it: Statistically, bear spray is more effective at deterring a charging bear. In a study done in 2008 (Smith et. al. 2008), researchers analyzed 83 bear spray incidents (61 brown bears, 20 black bears and two polar bear). Red Pepper spray proved over 90% successful on stopping the bear’s “undesirable” activity. 98% of people involved in these incidents were unharmed by the bear. However, fourteen percent of the incidents resulted in negative side effects upon the human (they were effected by the spray) and three percent left the user incapacitated. In similar study on firearms (Smith et. al. 2012), they were effective 84% with handguns and 76% with rifles to stop bears from undesirable behavior. The study analyzed 269 bear-human conflicts in Alaska from 1883-2009. The study said, “firearm bearers suffered the same injury rates in close encounters with bears whether they used firearms or not.” Basically, firearms didn’t statistically keep people from getting injured by bears. This means that people shot bears that still attacked them.

[@Travelin_Man1]

At last some data. Thank you.

[@markandrews4818]

I would imagine it also has a lot to do with how good a shot you are under stress and what caliber firearms

[@posteroonie]

@@markandrews4818 Yes, Gonagain kept his cool and has a 10mm, a high protection combination. For me, who is below average in practice and skill with a gun, bear spray is probably better protection. Also accidental discharge of bear spray is less likely to be serious than a gun accident. I'm not so practiced with gun safety, and self-deceived, to think that gun accidents are just for the other guy. However I also agree that if a grizzly is enraged, I'm toast with just bear spray. I didn't spray in time.

[@jonathanklisko4773]

Someone with some science behind them lol, as opposed to "my friend's Dad...", or "that couple from last year...".

[@shaunblevins3303]

Great Video. I Agree with you 100%. The Real Gunsmith said in one of his Videos that Bear Spray is like a Card Trick, there is times it may Work but majority of the time it’s not going to work.

[@catpurrson3651]

As usual, great info. Thank you!

[@gonagain]

Our pleasure!

[@therealtashiro]

Great video Rick! Unfortunately, a lot of humans living in this World today lack common sense, logic and critical thinking... We are living in an Episode of the Twilight Zone!

[@scottt4081]

We came across bison fur on a narrow trail in Yellowstone. We always wondered since then if bear spray would work on a bison. They seem pretty forceful and determined when they want to be.

[@gonagain]

Good question. We avoid bison when we see them too.

[@paulmadkow9143]

I see these young solo female KZbinrs packpacking in grizzly country. I doubt they have adequate protection. They are just asking for it.

[@Rosakru]

I completely agree. As a former gold explorer staking claims and taking mineral samples, my defence kit consisted of bear bangers(a minor deterance shot from a pen sized launcher), a S&W 45 magnum revolver, and finally a 12 gauge shotgun chambered with alternating buckshot and slugs. After my stories of working in the north of BC, I had a friend who decided to go tree planting during university break. Sadly for him, his choice to be armed with only bear bangers cost him his leg when he ended up chased and treed by an angry grizzly. He was fortunate to survive.

[@HughButler-lb6zs]

What research have you done to support your claim. What research proves your claim bear spray is ineffective on determined bears.The original bear spray was developed and tested by a biologist at the University of Montana who had been attacked by a bear. I have read reports stating bear spray is 92% effective in preventing death or serious injury in bear attacks. When using a firearm, you must hit a bear potentially running 30 miles per hour in a vital spot. Otherwise the bullet will only penetrate muscle tissue. Most shooters can't do that. That is discounting the stress you will be under when being attacked. I think your post is irresponsible. I do agree that a shotgun with slugs is the best firearm defense. The problem with that scenario is traveling with a firearm. Our laws regarding possessing a firearm are so f'd up you can't get a straight answer on how to do it. Traveling by air with a firearm is a nightmare.

[@arthurdavis9715]

Totally agree with you. Had a friend years ago that was a ranger in Colorado. He had to go into a grove of trees to dispatch a wounded bear. He unloaded a 44magnum into the bear and thought it would never stop charging. Truly believe in self protection.

[@david_onthetrail]

Unfortunately your information is flawed. In Canada, especially in a Park, you are not allowed a firearm. Canadian gun laws are way more strict than yours south of the 49th, but I agree Bear spray is less effective than a hand gun in certain situations...

[@NoFeeArea]

Doesn't it seem like many or most people attacked by bear have dogs with them? I am beginning to think that a dog can continually aggravate a bear to the point that after the dog runs back the bear wants vengeance. Am I wrong? Thanks Rick.

[@jacko.6625]

A dog is a small prey animal that may even lead the bear to you.

[@klaatu368]

I’m not sure there’s any real comparison of any value between two thugs in a city alley & a bear encounter in the wild. Two different worlds, two different species. It’s imprecise to pointlessness… Two different worlds, and the argument clouds the bear spray vs firearm issue. Has no one done statistical analysis to see the outcome of spray vs. firearms in bear encounters?

[@doingitwithnothing]

Amen

[@LarryLMelton]

I follow several KZbinrs in Canada; they are insane about using bear spray and using a firearm borders on being a criminal. Of course, the good thing about these types of people using bear spray is it thins out the gene pool. Larry from Texas

[@glennpackert1725]

Thank you! Thank you! I'm so glad you are man enough to do that "rant".

[@stanokeefe2713]

Bear spray saved me so I disagree. As a park ranger told me once, 95% of people can't hit anything with a hand gun, especially when be charged by a bear.

[@anthonyb2334]

Very good points. I’ve encountered three grizzlies in my life and was pretty scared, even though they never came at me. Having a grizzly staring at you from 40 yards away will make you think twice about bear spray. 10 mm for me at all times when traveling in the Rockies. Plus Shotgun in the truck or RV. Thank you for the video.

[@NorrisNoggs]

I’ve been in the same situation. He never got particularly aggressive but he was staying close enough that had he charged I would have had no time for spray to have an effect on him. My .44 mag Ruger was a bit of comfort but it felt ridiculously puny compared to that monster. It was a bizarre situation in that he would not let me just walk away from his territory but stayed nearby “ghosting” me for several miles until I reached my vehicle. Since that day I carry a .45-70 Marlin whenever I possibly can.

[@anthonyb2334]

@@NorrisNoggs That Marlin is a good gun to have around. A buddy of mine who sometimes travels with us keeps his in his truck. Great gun. I’d love to carry a 44 but to be honest I can’t shoot them well. Single action first shot is okay for me but then it’s all bad from there. As Dirty Harry said “ A man’s got to know his limitations “. Cheers.

[@johnb1567]

Rick, I like your videos buddy but this is just a "me feel good with gun" video. I like to see some statistics that back up the claims you are making. This is a bit important. You may have a gut feeling that your firearm is the best but people have had spray and guns for along time now and I have a feeling there is info out there that may give us more insite into what is effective.

[@robertgullickson8758]

This is like me saying "I've driven over a million miles in my life (I have) and never had a wreck. It must be because I always wore shoes when driving". Sometimes the odds are just in your favor. BUT when and if you encounter an enraged grizzly or an aggressive mountain lion your history and statistics may not be on your side. It may be common sense and experience from another man with a broader horizon of knowledge and experience. Or blind chance...

[@johnb1567]

@@robertgullickson8758 , not even close to a good analogy. Anyway, its not like Rick has ANY experience actually having to fire his gun at a bear or lion to see what was gonna happen after he fired. But there is data out there on what has happened when other people have had to fire OR have used bear spray. Rick explains nothing in this video other than what he/himself "feels" is best. He doest take into account the amount of hours and continual practice it takes for someone to be profficient enough to be able to hit a bear charging your a$$. This is just an entertainment and opinion video and I recognise it for what it is.

[@grisseldog]

Always carry a firearm Always, weather in town, city ,hiking, fishing always have a weapon on, your life may depend on it.

[@jamespruett2849]

Excellent Rick

[@gonagain]

Thank you.

[@timomakelajobe4346]

Rick and Linda. You two truly are the salt of the earth voice of wisdom. Much love and respect. Blessings.

[@mtnphot]

How many people do you know can shoot any weapon in a panic situation. If I were carrying a weapon in the woods, it would be a shotgun. Most people can't hit the broadside of a barn door with a handgun and a rifle is a bit cumbersome at close range. Like using cn gas bear spray is best used at a range of less than 25 feet and upwind of the bear.

[@rickgotner7596]

Up here in Alaska, the bears seem to consider bear spray as "seasoning".

[@glennsweet1034]

I have lived in bear and mountain lion country for many years. I don’t like the thought of killing animals unnecessarily…but I hate the thought of being attacked and eaten by a large predator even more. My take on this, is if you think a can of spray is going to protect you, stay home and watch the outdoors on your subscription channel.

[@REB-forever]

You have alot of common since I agree with everything you said.

[@gonagain]

Thank you.

[@christianniem844]

Yes its my turf too I live on earth and every right to go where I please. I love it when some jackass says "its their territory" like people shouldn't be there, stick to the city then hippy I got places to be.

[@trishrobbins9942]

I’m ok with your advice, although I’ve encountered many black bears on trails in my home state of Colorado. I stopped, made myself look big and yelled at the bear. Every time, the bear turned and ran away. In my area, we can’t take our trash to the curb until we see the trash truck. I even have a bear proof trash toter. I’m fine with gun carry for self defense, but I’m strongly opposed to idiots who feel the need to use it to shoot trees, etc.

[@gonagain]

I totally agree with you. And you used the right word to describe those individuals who shoot trees.

[@carlmizell5930]

Good video, to any people set on their ass and past judgment on how to protect yourself when they have no idea about that they're talking about. People go outdoors and they think that wildlife is tame and docile, like in a zoo.

[@jedgens1]

This is great human survival. even when camping in the eastern US I carry protection. You need to protect from 4 and 2 legged animals. ❤

[@larryl603]

Great vid and you are spot on I have lived in Mt whole life and had more than my share of experience with bears and wolves and mostly mountain lions I don’t believe bear spray should be used as a weapon to prevent bears from attacking it will get you killed never go into the wilderness without a firearm that is not big enough to stop a bear and any animal that can kill you

[@North-of-the-49th]

1) The couple were camping in Banff National Park, Alberta (not BC); 2) We're not permitted to carry firearms in a national park; 3) The reminder to keep the fire burning all night is perfect; 4) Your rant is kind and empathetic sir, but not pertinent to us Canadians, as we're not permitted to carry firearms like our southern brothers and sisters. But that is our choice; 5) Finally, thank you for the passion for respecting all animals (including the two legged kind). Cheers from Canada.

[@justinw1765]

I'm curious, how is that "your choice", when I suspect that plenty of Canadians would like to have that *actual* choice/option, but are denied it by their government under the penalty of hefty fines and/or prison time? Seems like a bit of an illusion of "your choice". And I'm not your semi typical gun loving, right wing, America f'yeah, type US citizen. But I am concerned with the increasing disembowelment of freedoms and rights on civilians by governments all around the world. People should have the right to defend themselves while also enjoying nature. And btw, I favor bear spray slightly over fire arms, because research shows that on average, it is more effective in stopping bear attacks. But I also see nothing wrong with having both on you, and having a gun as a "in case, backup" in case the bear spray doesn't work.

[@timothyrepp4259]

I don’t mean to be argumentative because I love Canada and it’s people. It’s just odd that you used the word choice. Because every single politician in Canada has made the choice for their families and themselves to be protected by firearms. And I mean 100% of them. Canadian politicians,cops, judges and every other “important person” is protected 24/7 by firearms. In their homes and out. In their workplace and their children’s schools. It’s only the pesky citizens that don’t have a choice to protect their families and themselves anywhere. To be fair this is true for the entire world,not just Canada. Even in countries that are the most hostile towards firearms have 100% of their rulers protected with them. When you really think about it though it makes sense. Everyone knows that their lives are more valuable than ours. I mean come on, us and our pathetic jobs compared to the important things they are doing. Us and our ugly wives and dumb kids compared to their beautiful wives and all the wonderful achievements that their children are destined for. Hell they’re probably doing most of us a favor by not allowing us to have firearms. We’d probably just shoot ourselves so we don’t infect the air that the important people depend upon to breathe.

[@savio_Seth]

Sorry about your gov't.

[@North-of-the-49th]

@sethfarnsworth8276 Thanks for the kind thoughts. We're pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place because the alternative to the current PM is a little tRUMP-wannabe. We must choose between the lesser of two evils.... Stay well and have a great start to the weekend!

[@savio_Seth]

@@North-of-the-49th As you can guess, we down south DEFINITELY know what it feels like to have two bad options as well. Good luck.

[@willhamner4921]

Very well stated and very true. Here in the People’s Republic of East California (aka Colorado) our metro area granola eating voters have decided to re-introduce Wolverines and Wolves regardless of the 95% of rural, mountain, farm & ranch geography that makes up the State. My minimum “bear spray” has and is .44 REM. Magnum. BTW I miss your old original pre-woke u-tube firearm vids. Happy Days to all..

[@gonagain]

I wish I could make those pre woke videos again, but there's too many restrictions and a loss of income involved. Thanks for sticking with us for so long!

[@wdaniel9]

Sorry Gonagain, guns have the same efficacy as spray. Many people have been killed with guns too. A firearm doesn’t fire magic bullets that make your bear problem go away. In fact grizzlies hyper-adrenalize and can live for up to 20 minutes with mortal wounds. Unless you shut down the central nervous system or paralyze them, a wounded grizzly is far more dangerous than a sprayed grizzly. Many people can’t, won’t, or shouldn’t carry a gun. Non- lethal can be carried by anyone. Even children. At the end of the day, people should arm themselves with what works best for them. Many people have died trying to defend themselves with guns. They are far from foolproof.

[@ChollaJJ]

Now, how will bear spray shut down the central nervous system ? It’s good we have our priorities !..🫣

[@wdaniel9]

@@ChollaJJ It doesn’t, it just stops the attack behavior. It shuts down sense of smell and vision to a degree, but no, it’s not lights out . My point is neither one is perfectly effective, no magic bullet or magic spray. They both can be very effective. And for people who can’t or won’t carry a gun, spray is the alternative. I carry both. Another nice feature of spray is that you can use it on any animal, 2 or 4 legs without lethal consequences. When a cow moose charges you, you don’t end up with a dead or wounded moose.

[@ChollaJJ]

@@wdaniel9 👍 exactly, neither are perfect. I do not want to face a charging beast of that size and capability even with a 45/70 rifle !

[@wdaniel9]

@@ChollaJJ That’s why I challenge videos that say only guns or only spray. Neither are perfect. There are too many videos saying spray doesn’t work. Sorry, my family has worked in emergency response in grizzly country for decades, one family member compiles statistics on this stuff for the National Parks, and I know for a fact that spray works when properly used. In fact it works very well. Not perfect, but neither is a gun. When you consider how many can’t or won’t carry a gun, I believe you are doing a huge misservice

[@GraceCook-g1l]

Not a rant. Just common sense. I sure as hell wouldn't do what you do w/o a gun. We are starting to get black bears and mountain lioms here in CT and the animal welfare people are constantly doing their best to convince people that bears are ok. Just stay in the house. Last winter a black bear slept under some guy's porch. DEEP told him no worry. The bear will come out and leave in spring. REALLY!!!?? But nope, no bear hunt . Bears, moose, deer travel downtown Hartford unimpeded and DEEP thinks it's OK. I'm with you. Be safe out there and HAGD. For those who sit at home in safet you now know what a rant is.

[@gonagain]

Thank you for sharing. It's crazy but it sure seems like the life of a wild animal is more important than a human being.