Beat Up and Rusty Bike Restoration - Surly Troll

[@juanbanos5750]

I love your work with the 26r... They never die!

[@cedricclamaran]

Oldshovel + Surly? This is awesome

[@OjStudios]

For a bit "cleaner look" I would either dunk all the bolts to rust remover solution before reinstalling or changing everything to 316/A2 marine steel ones. It's the little details that sometimes are the most crucial.

[@simonm1447]

What do you think regarding bolts like the ones used on disc brakes? I also have an older bike I currently restored and I reused the old bolts since I didn't knew the grade of these bolts. It's less important on a bottle cage but the brakes are a different story where I don't wanted to do experiments

[@OjStudios]

@@simonm1447 Well new brake rotor bolts can be had for pennies. They do get a lot of heat circulation so I wouldn't install "whatever" on them. Stem, bottle cage, brake levers don't get the same stresses. Just a quality stainless bolt is fine.

[@kevinthomson6324]

I really like those park tool crimping pliers you were using…. Just what I need another tool to buy that I don’t need I just want.

[@oldshovel]

I’m surprised how much I like them too. They’re really awesome.

[@mattharding7649]

I love your bike restoration videos so much. Just everything about them. It’s sad to see how these old bikes are treated but you make them rad again. Inspired me to do two restomods myself!! More builds please!!!

[@LeFrere72]

Wonderful vid! Love Surly! 👏🏻

[@jacobmathis5686]

That generation of XT cranks always look good 👍

[@retrobikechannel2599]

With those long straight rear drop outs ... would have made an ideal single speed conversion

[@valonnia]

When I use bar end shifters, I've found that using tandem shift cables allows me to run everything under the bar tape for a cleaner look. Fantastic job getting that gold paint off. Awesome bike!

[@MrDanimalInstinct]

Great tip!

[@matthewsponseller]

What do you mean by “tandem shift cables”? I like the idea of running the cables under the bar tape with bar end shifters… Thanks for any clarification on this tip.

[@lastfm4477]

@@matthewsponseller "tandem shift cables" are much longer than the standard length. Normal shift cables often aren't long enough that you can add the extra length of housing needed to go around the entire length of the drop bars.

[@TheSlowworms]

Ah man I would love a Surly! I love all the options with the dropouts on this one. I think I would’ve been tempted to keep it. Great video and great rebuild 👌

[@TimmHuffman]

Just had the same derailleur issue. But had already bought a wide range Microshift cassette. Went ahead and bought the matching derailleur.

[@nameresu]

Impressed by the amount of work to clean the frame. Looks like days of work. Very nice restoration, even though I don't like the current trend of putting dropbars on everything.

[@ericl6460]

The power of marketing. Gravel bikes are too powerful to resist

[@ondrejmanych5688]

For a touring bike like this, drop bars can be a must. You have to change your hand positions or you will get some problems

[@tonymartin7010]

Drop bars are great, except no one ever uses the actual drops. I prefer a Jones bar, or a flat bar with bar ends (the original “alt bar”)

[@ondrejmanych5688]

@@tonymartin7010 it is true that I spend most of the time on the hoods, that means bar ends would do it for me too. But hey, I have multiple bikes and I can choose haha

[@graememorrison333]

@@tonymartin7010 So true! I see so many commuters on my way in to central London on drop bar 'race' bikes. They're never, ever in the drops though! (Mind you, they never use the correct part of their foot to pedal with either, but that's for another time.)

[@BordsCycles]

love the purple frame and seafoam green grip combo, sp easy on the eyes

[@mmbehlehmmbehleh-ut6yr]

might it be worth re-wrapping the bartape, with the gear cables underneath? for a neater look.

[@accorsistudios]

Incredible video - great cause, the biking community is really pretty cool. Thanks for all that you do!

[@cjohnson3836]

How awesome is your coop that you can find a random Surly? That eggplant purple with all the chrome trim was one of the best colors. I like what you've done with it

[@camt1818]

Very cool to see how well the acetone worked! I have an 88 rockhopper that the previous owner did some custom spray paint on. Been wondering how to get it off safely. Acetone is now the plan!

[@crapiecorn]

Be carefull with aceton. A lot of Surly bikes are powdercoated. So the aceton can't really hurt it (even paintstripper doens't). But with a normal factory 2K paint finish, aceton can bite into the paint and dull and remove it.

[@oldshovel]

Yes, the Surly is powder coated so be careful. I would test it in an inconspicuous spot first…

[@camt1818]

@@oldshovel noted! Back to the drawing board.

[@heathen-greaser]

Great job mate, gota say though I’m so glad those shifter being where they are never became the norm 😂 but hey if they work they work I guess. Gets someone out on two wheels

[@no_Ray_bang]

this was the one that got me to subscribe. great stuff

[@miguelantoniogonzalezaguia9784]

From México exelent work and beutiful bike congratulations, I like the oldshowel Chanel 🙋👍

[@30bones]

I am shocked the Surly logos stayed in place through all of this. I looked at mine and they peeled off. :)

[@cycle-safari]

Hey, I love the work you're doing...one tool caught my eye, and I was curious if you'd share what it is, as it looks terribly useful--that drill bit that you used with the sandpaper inside the seat tube...can you share a model or maker information? Thanks!

[@oldshovel]

It was just a drill it extension and sanding bit I found at the hardware store a long while back. I’m not sure the make and model. Super useful though.

[@StanEby1]

Beautiful. 😊

[@joaoc_PT]

why not use a derailleur spacer?

[@josemoure520]

Good job😊

[@jotikol6177]

Can you fit bigger wheels on that frame? There seems to be more clearance on the forks and with the horizontal dropouts.

[@oldshovel]

Probably.

[@nameresu]

27.5 - easy. 29 with narrow tire, like 2,0-2.1". Since it is older troll model, you can use 29+ wheel up front. Almost Every Surly is a bicycle Lego.

[@ernestbonanza]

would love to see if you can find a marin - bolinas ridge for a rebuild!

[@Ronald.1Rigas]

and i thought my shi* looked funky 😂 that anti theft camo disguise is top notch bro lol ✊ 😁

[@chrisfreer6329]

LOVE your videos and they motivate me to work more on my own bikes. I even did some bluing on my steel frame thanks to you! Seems like you either don’t show rebuilding hubs in your videos, or maybe you just don’t rebuild them. Do you usually rebuild the hubs, especially on a bike like this that saw lots of use and weather? Kind of a selfish question…I’d like to learn about hub refreshing from you! ;)

[@oldshovel]

I often do rebuild them but don’t always show it.

[@HeartPumper]

Lol I love how they've laminated that note with ? mark :D More fun for you and us, watching those restos :D

[@cycle-safari]

Also, I like the idea of using the cassette brush on the inner face of the rims...great idea! I'm going to borrow that next time I have a particularly dirty rim to clean!

[@glen3509]

I'm still using the Shimano M770 XT HollowTek 2 crank I bought in 2008. Same middle and top rings, too🤘🤘

[@bigflipflops3]

Reminds me of the one Iohan Gueorguiev used to ride. RIP man.

[@erenkonu847]

Me too. The name of bike was Deadhorse I think.

[@geo6111]

I got excited as soon as I saw the silhouette I knew it was a surly

[@JeffRevell]

Curious as to why you didn't keep the Deore derailleur? It would probably of had no issues handling that 36T cog.

[@elliott959]

If it was me, it's because Ultegra is prettier.

[@oldshovel]

It’s a good question. The reason for the change was to work with the 10 speed bar end shifters. The Deore derailleur was made for 9speed mountain shifters. Also Shimano 10 speed road shifters have a different pull ratio than their 10 speed mountain so to make things work correctly I needed a 10 speed long cage Shimano road derailleur, this the one I installed.

[@elliott959]

@@oldshovel The Shimano 9 cable pull is almost nearly the same as the road 10 so that combination could have probably worked close enough, but you don't seem to be the kind of person who would tolerate "close enough" on one of your builds. Nice work!

[@simonm1447]

​@@oldshovel was the old one a deore 591 or 592? I use a couple of 592s, they are good 9 speed mtb derailleurs and even if it's not used on this bike it might be worth to keep it for a future bike

[@lastfm4477]

@@oldshovel No. Please re-research this! The Shimano road 7-10 speed (excluding Dura-Ace 8sp, and new Tiagra 4700 10sp) have the *exact* same cable pull ratio (what matters here) as all MTB 7-9 speed. In fact a 9-speed MTB RD is what is used with 105 and Ultegra 10-speed shifters on touring bikes. The original Deore RD would have worked fine.

[@MrByrneyboy]

One of your best. What a satisfying transformation!

[@rainerunsinn4808]

Well done. Wax coating the frame would have made another huge difference.

[@matthubbard904]

How that frame is sloped would make a awesome dj

[@nickmassey9104]

Great looking bike .looks so compact

[@el_guapo87]

You could use longer b screw for this ultegra derailleur (or any short derailleur), and without problem can go up to 42t cassette.

[@elliott959]

you can only get so much out of the b screw before the end of it slides off the tab on the frame.

[@lastfm4477]

I'd *love* to see you get the Ultegra RD-6600-SG to work with a 42T cog. He was wrong - this RD is designed for 28T max. Shimano road wasn't designed around anything larger than 28T cogs until the RD-6700-A (with "30T" marking on the pulley cage) for the 12-30T cassette. 32T is the max you can push the RD-6600-SG to even with a larger B-screw.

[@el_guapo87]

@@lastfm4477 Okay I was wrong here, I thought ultegra was designed to work with 36t max as my zee, I use longer B-screw for zee with 42t cassette, and it works flawlessly.

[@schadlarry]

I have a four year old Karate Monkey and the weak spot is the paint. My hi-viz black dulls and wonder if bluing the raw steel would be a cool/practical option later down the road.

[@NoBrakes23]

QBP paint seems to be paper thin of late. My '18 Karate Monkey wasn't even fully assembled before it started wearing thin. The shop that faced the BB and headset marred the pain in the stand even though the wrapped it. I have paint chips where my frame has barely touched plastic components. I've heard similar complaints about All City frames.

[@schadlarry]

@@NoBrakes23 I don't have any chips on mine, it's just lost it's shine on the bottom side of the downtube and BB. I guess they don't clear coat over powdercoat. My 25 year old Fisher shines more.

[@stephenhickey8062]

Looking for one of the brown trucker hats with the OS logo. Where can I find one?

[@oldshovel]

I’m working on settling up my online store on Oldshovel.com

[@DavyHC-ty9jd]

I miss working at the provo collective. Was a fun time while I was at byu.

[@MrPhotodoc]

I can only imagine the line of old bikes there at the cooperative. Maybe a taste sometime?

[@oldshovel]

I should share that sometime….

[@wilsarno]

This is truly a Frankenstein build!

[@aliosha661]

The coolest and most beautiful frameset I've seen on your channel. Is it shippable to Germany?

[@oftankoftan]

sorry not to nitpick but whyyyy are you using the rounded head of the hex wrench to loosen bolts?

[@grigoryrechistov3040]

It is surely risky, one can strip the bolts. But 99% of the time, it works just fine.

[@richardbridges7664]

Are the canti/vee brake bosses welded to frame / forks. It looks a bit odd with mech disk brake fitted

[@simonm1447]

Normally it's a bolt which is screwed into a bracket which is welded or brazed. The bracket stays visible, but the bolt can be removed. It looks a little bit nicer if you put a flat head allen key bolt into the bracket

[@dazzasp3]

Fantastic 👍

[@fritzginger15]

Never seen someone wrap the bars from the top down before. Curios of why you do it that way? Or anyone else that does too.

[@oldshovel]

It’s for the Grepp bar tape. They are washable and have no adhesive.

[@paulywogtheburnin8r364]

To be honest with mtb tires and touring geo I would have kept the stock deore drivetrain along with the wider range cassette, however I guess this would have created problems with the bar end shifters. Overall early nice restoration. I was amazed by how much you managed to clean up the paint on the bike and I think the drop bars make a good addition. 👍

[@lastfm4477]

The original MTB rear deore derailleur would have worked fine with these bar end shifters. Shimano used the same cable pull back when all those parts were made. The front bar-end shifter is friction, so the original MTB front derailler would also have worked fine - as shown by using an even older MTB front derailleur.

[@MW-ud8zp]

Match made in heaven ❤

[@elliott959]

Is that the Ultegra RD-6600? I have a 3x10 setup on my Surly with a 32 tooth big cog and my RD-6500 just barely kisses the biggest cog. I've been putting up with it because I hardly ever use that gear but it seems like the RD-6600 would work? I dug up the Shimano specs for both derailleurs and they claim a max of 27 teeth for both though.

[@TomK32]

It must be, the 6600 has a sharp A in ULTEGRA while the 6500 has a round-ish one.

[@rendiresdiansyah4993]

god that was my dream bike 🥹

[@gurkpojken]

One of my dreambike 😍😍 here in sweden its superhard to find them. 😢 you could atleast give it some new sticker.

[@Ollie140]

The direction the bartape is going in is a big no no.

[@Bouwentjes]

Every surly is worth saving

[@oldshovel]

Built to last

[@Bouwentjes]

@@oldshovel sure is… Question: I normally wind my handelbar tape starting at the bottom, finishing at the top/middle. It was explained to me this would prevent slipping and opening up of the tape windings . So far I had great success. Just my 0.2…

[@cjohnson3836]

@@Bouwentjes This tape is different. He also wrapped it in this way so as to not need finishing tape.

[@andreyrozodominguez8050]

Yes perfect

[@kelvinsanchez3585]

First watching from Philippines ❤❤❤

[@xes2seth]

I like that frame. Nice work, Oldshovel. I personally would have flipped the stem upside down and shortened the steerer tube to a maximum of 1 or 2 spacers underneath the stem. The Drop bars are much too high to fulifill their purpose of drop bars. Anyways... Great work as usual! I love the little easteregg of putting the SRAM chain on a full Shimano drivetrain. Every mechanic would advise you not to do so, but here is the proof: If it is a chain, it will work! ;) EDIT: I have seen the other comments and why you have left the steerer tube and stem as it was. So dont mind. ❤

[@cjohnson3836]

To be fair, Shimano chains with a Shimano cassette does make a difference in shifting performance on the newer stuff with HG+ Also there's nothing wrong with drops that high on a touring bike. If you think this is extreme, go look at the bikes made by Tanglefoot

[@lastfm4477]

Totally disagree. This is a touring or "gravel" setup. One doesn't want a seat to bar drop, but the bars level or slightly higher with the saddle. This isn't a road bike setup. Everyone is *so* concerned with looks (form) over usability (function).

[@cjohnson3836]

@@lastfm4477 Touring is not the same as gravel and the geometry are nothing alike

[@jasenhansen6354]

Great build but I also don't care for the spacer sich. I think it would make it much more appealing for a buyer to have half as many. If they wanted a higher stem they could add and extension. Also the frame probably needed a clear coat after using the acetone. It definitely compromised the original clear and that finish probably won't hold up long now. Other than that loved the show!

[@lastfm4477]

When you drop bar a bike that is designed around flat bars -- you need much more extension right off the bat. You might *think* it looks better, but you would have made a very uncomfortable touring bike right off the bat.

[@iammarkstewart]

@@lastfm4477 Generally with you on this but having converted a few old mtb to drops, having road bikes and newer gravel bikes...this one is a bit much. If you need these bars this high on a bike this small you're either on the wrong size frame or this style doesn't suit your physiology. You could safely take out that non-matching carbon spacer, still leave one on top, and have the adjustability you need without the unnecessary cramping of the cockpit and additional torque on the headset. But, just one more person's opinion.

[@guardian_ironworks]

The only bikes I ride are surlys. Currently an ice cream truck, and a Krampus.

[@zlepszowak9090]

I don't understand why you put the bar tape on the other way round? That way it will quickly fall apart 😉

[@JeffRevell]

That tape is made to wrap that way. It doesn't have any adhesive. It uses gripper rubber bumps on the back to hold in place. It's also washable, which is a nice touch. I have seen this being used a few times lately in KZbinr videos. I think the company is pushing it out to channels to get some visibility.

[@McGowJobs]

From what I understand, Grepp, not being "normal" bar tape, is specifically designed to be applied in a reverse wrap like this.

[@johnnydoe66]

Like the others stated, Grepp tape is designed to be wrapped the opposite direction, can be washed, and reused.

[@nerdfacellc]

Why are you note clear-coating this? Just curious if there was a reason, or if you were just like... "nope"

[@cjohnson3836]

These frames are powder coated

[@NS-zv9qf]

rust remover gel and soak work better than sandpaper and wd40. wd40 still ok for some light rust.

[@NS-zv9qf]

I would oil the nipples too

[@NS-zv9qf]

and service the hubs with new bearings and grease

[@NS-zv9qf]

new sealed bearings in the bottom bracket and headset

[@NS-zv9qf]

I would switch over to 1x11 nx drivetrain.

[@NS-zv9qf]

oh I thought this was a restore for the original owners. I guess for donation it works. Thanks for the video.

[@Rootdown45941]

i liked it better with the gold paint flaking away

[@bosanderspublictheology]

So obviously I love your channel. And I have said before the the ASMR aspect is not my favorite ... I love hearing your explanations and details when you (rarely) include them. I sure that It makes for much easier editing doing the ASMR thing but ... that is for a different day. HEY :) at minute 16 why the bar end shifters? Why not use the integrated ones - even the super affordable knockoffs from like Microshift or Micronew ??? I use them on 1x and 2x and even 3x and they are great. Are you opposed to that or is there something that I don't know ... please say something about this Obi-Wan.

[@oldshovel]

In this case there were a few factors, the first was the parts that were available for the Salt Lake Bicycle collective and what parts I could donate from my parts bin. I guess we could have purchased new brifters but to find ones that worked with long pull disk brakes. What it came to was the collective had bar end shifters and I had the cane creek v levers and together we had what it took. Second is a matter of preference, I quite like the simplicity of bar end shifters especially for a touring type setup.

[@mahmudgabbi1401]

Қаңқасы алюминий ма немесе темір ме?

[@TomK32]

when they set aside bikes for you know you are into this far too deep...

[@oldshovel]

Lol I know. It’s always the crazy ones too.

[@johnnydoe66]

I have never criticized your work, but like other comments.....Why all those headset spacers? Is the frame too small to start? You literally put what looks to be 70mm of spacers, a high angled stem (17°?), and then put drop bars, reversing the reason for adding the spacers andvriser stem. It would have been better to just install less spacers and maybe some "Alt" bars with a bit of rise.

[@oldshovel]

There were reasons and it’s a good question. First the bike is an extra small, the spacers is the way it was donated at the SLBC and keeping them as they are and not cutting the steer tube allows whoever purchases the bike to set it to the size they want.

[@johnnydoe66]

@oldshovel I figured that when you returned the bike to them to sell or donate. Maybe it wouldn't have looked as odd with a couple of the spacers on top and a zero rise stem. Regardless, it's still a good resto

[@TheParsifal1]

Una volta facevi veri restauri...oggi forse devi fare troppi video

[@johnzee691]

👍

[@dj_anabel]

Troll тема

[@hausfreundsemanski9333]

was never in bad shape, only ugly, right

[@Bikeops2021]

Controversial bar wrapping... 🤔

[@oldshovel]

It’s the tapeless way to wrap the Grepp bar tape.

[@Bikeops2021]

@@oldshovel Ho I see. I’ve some Butterfly bars to wrap, such a contradiction in which way is the right way, I’m confused. Nice work on the Surly!

[@cityproofdad]

This bike is seriously A Troll

[@mikebax1459]

Lol im dying swag not schwag

[@kona0197]

A more appropriate title to this video should have been "Beat up and rusty bike refurbishment and upgrade". Restoration implies you removed the old paint from the bike and repainted the bike in the colors it came with from the factory along with applying the proper decals and then sourcing out the original components the bike came with.

I just don't appreciate all those spacers!

[@oldshovel]

It’s so the person who purchases the bike from the Bicycle Collective can have the full option to customize the height for themselves.

[@elliott959]

As an old man with a bad back I do appreciate all those spacers!

[@dgriffinm]

You do great work and bringing old bicycles back to life. The restoration process can’t get nasty and ugly. But the end result is amazing. Just like in life we can go through. Things are not easy for fun, but when we come out the other side, we are better.

[@daniellowe9537]

​@@oldshovel😂😂😂

[@michael61985]

Ruined a bike by putting on them stupid road bars should have went straight bar

[@nosurfenougheddie]

Yeah I agree 100%.

[@cjohnson3836]

You're welcome to go build your bike any way you want. Be more productive than b****hing on youtube

[@nosurfenougheddie]

@@cjohnson3836 Thanks Karen! I wasn't bitching, I was commenting. And that is being productive to help monetize the video for the KZbin creator.

[@michael61985]

​@@cjohnson3836i can build a bike better than most people could Karen

[@sgtgrash]

From a safety & ergonomics perspective, I would not have fitted drop bars. I sincerely hope this bike does not end up in the hands of a young, inexperienced cyclist.

[@bikebv]

Change the handlebars it's ugily

[@u1y55e]

Be nice

[@RustySprocket]

Shovel! Help! I need a recommendation for carbon bmx/riser handlebars for my 1998 stumpie! I'm pretty new to this bike(less than 100 miles), and the geometry has me too slumped over. I need 1" bars. Currently have flat carbon mtb bars. Need a more upright position for my dad bike/commuter. Btw, just donated two bikes, and all of my XT parts to the collective. Thank you for making me aware of them and their mission. Thank you --your fan from Wyoming!

[@DangerAmbrose]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6Gygodjh9iZmpY swag or schwag?

[@catsploitation]

I have this bike it’s great

[@cjohnson3836]

Never sell it. I love my ogre. But I wish I could get it a troll brother.