BEAUTIFUL NOISE (2014) Shoegaze Documentary

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Beautiful Noise is a documentary about shoegaze, a subgenre of alternative rock that emerged in the late '80s. The film features interviews with members of the shoegaze scene, as well as clips of their music.
If you're a fan of shoegaze, then you need to watch this documentary! It features amazing music and some incredibly interesting interviewees. If you're a student of music or just looking for something new to watch, then be sure to check out Beautiful Noise!

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[@etoquette]

All the misundestanding about it at that time breaks my heart to this day. It was really a dimension not everybody could enter, as some arses in brit music journals, but for all of us who did... just an everlasting life saver joy, even for me living in the other side of the world. I'll forever thank these bands. My first Slowdive concert was yesterday, over 30 years waiting... Much love around, as they deserve. ❤

[@holloify_tensa_zangetsu]

Similar to Jeff Buckley, Shoegaze won't get any credit

[@etoquette]

@@holloify_tensa_zangetsu Jeff and his father too (Pleasant Street is crazy good kkk) ❤️

[@dee_seejay]

@@holloify_tensa_zangetsu Jeff Buckley _does_ get credit though, he's revered around the world like his dad, whereas Shoegaze is a genre.

[@demo3456]

I was in middle school in the early 90s every one liked Nirvana I listened to these bands. In my 40s now still listening to these albums with a bittersweet sense of time passing things lost and wasted years. Cheers

[@TempleOfTheMartyrs]

OUR BAND WOULDNT EXIST WITHOUT THIS BANDS

[@markschroeder5559]

I was so frickin' excited to hear Robert Smith say cocteau twins album Treasure was so special to him. It holds such a dear place in my heart. I had read somewhere that the band hated that album and I had to order my vinyl copy off ebay years ago from Russia because the band had not been reissueing records yet and when they did they held out releasing Treasure. My tape was worn out pretty bad.

[@BrianMcCallpopolvuh]

Reissuing records wasn’t the Twins responsibility

[@talkingmudcrab718]

The guy is a real one. I love how he's one of the biggest and most talented rockstars of all time but is also a total fanboy of smaller artists. Dave Grohl is another huge star like that. A couple years ago, the night before a show in my Midwestern city he was at a small, local music venue rocking out with us regular joes. Everyone was super chill and didn't bug him but after the last act he stuck around to have drinks with everyone and signed autographs for anyone that asked. Of course most of the musicians got their instruments signed by him too 😅 Super nice guy.

[@eboethrasher]

@@talkingmudcrab718 I mean, The Cure and the Cocteaus were not that far off of each other in 84. Honestly I'm surprised that the Twins never opened a tour for The Cure, though I'm sure it had more to do with album cycles than anything else. But Robert also liked Paula Abdul at one point. Or at least he SAID he did, lol.

[@TheTastefulThickness]

Robert Smith is def a shoegaze fan. He nominated Scarling. for The List back in the day and they had shoegaze tracks.

[@robashton8606]

So true about John Peel. He gave so many bands their first real national exposure. JAMC, The Cure, Siouxie And The Banshees etc. all did sessions for him when nobody have a damn about them. Listening to Peel was when I first heard Napalm Death, Nirvana, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, The Strokes and countless others. The music underground lost its main champion when we lost John Peel. He is still sorely missed.

[@yaboyreege7158]

I especially love The Smiths album hatful of hollow (comp or whatever people consider it) those songs all sound amazing and way better than their self titled. That’s how I see it at least

[@GT380man]

At 64, and unusually interested in non mainstream music all my life, I remember most of this from my twenties, most of which was spent at university (7 wonderful years) & into my early thirties. I’ve been a Cure fan since the seventies, which astonishes me. Love Robert. Lots of bands, i didn’t even know their names, but there were clubs and pubs (dives, really) where the music was what the staff wanted and they played what their clientele wanted. I do remember the first time I heard Loveless, I was hooked. I still listen to that & to Disintegration more often than my wife can stand. She does like them, but she says they bring her down. I cheer her up with the Roses, which have become more relevant as time goes on. I wasn’t someone who saw bands live. Far too withdrawn for that, ha ha. So I missed ear bleeding MBV. Special mention for Joy Division. I remember listening to the end of Closer on repeat in a damp, cold flat in midwinter on the south coast, utterly stoned, drunk and freezing because I’d run out of 50p coins for the gas meter. The cassette was so badly recorded off a mates LP that I didn’t realise what was JD & what was my player mangling the recording until the late 90s! I came out of punk and “alternative” rock from the seventies. Embarrassed now to have been a Bowie fan until recently, when I discovered things I wish I hadn’t. You’ve got to know about Tavistock and then filter stuff out to realise what was genuinely grass roots and what was manufactured to f*** with our young minds. The brilliant gift of living off centre bands and genres (though I don’t even like the intense need the mainstream has to categorise everything) is that most of it was real. A huge amount of stuff, for example, most of Britpop, was so heavily pushed by bodies linked to government and deep agencies that it’s tragic. This whole documentary feels solidly real to me.

[@anyotherdayortime]

Alan McGee talking about someone else being a problem by believing their own press made me laugh out loud.

[@bobdobalina838]

Heaven or Las Vegas was a time in my life, a very good time, the best of my life,. I absorbed and breathed it in in full strokes., It is a part of my personal history. It is a part of me. thank you so much guys.

[@tiyanawilliams5070]

I love Cocteau Twins as their music feels spiritual to me. It's astonishing to drive into as there is more to delve into even on the songs that I've already listened to. A band that is unique and a reflective experience to listen to.

[@tiyanawilliams5070]

It is their gut and/or the universe that told them to hand in their demo tape. That's spirit when you know you should do something, that is the universe urging you to do it.

[@seamusmalarkey759]

Shoegaze is my heart. Great job on this

[@seamusmalarkey759]

Ride : most underrated band

[@sergioflores3440]

Elizabeth, Miki, Toni,Belinda....beautiful women with beautiful voices.

[@dee_seejay]

Without the feminine there would have been no Loveless, Cocteaus, any of that stuff. It also allowed Kevin Shields to express his feminine side just like Thurston Moore did within Sonic Youth. Without being too much of a hippie, I have to say I think the _Goddess_ was strong during that period, including within all male groups like Ride and even JAMC (despite the machismo that plagued them on tour), and The Cure of course are the classic example.

[@roolaing]

I live 20 mins from where the Cocteaus started, and grew up where the Mary Chain did. Scotland is the most beautiful place on earth, but in the 80s, Thatcherism meant unemployment and disillusionment, set against the collapse of mass industry. That helps explain the beauty and the noise of the movement. A new noise. A new beauty.

[@jock77stuff]

well said

[@yaboyreege7158]

The 2 bands that kicked off this amazing genre of music

[@HOMEMADEMIXTURE]

not a word about Spacemen 3, Spectrum, Sonic Boom.... what an omission

[@CD-yr8tw]

Sonic Youth was also not mentioned.

[@yespls4184]

Yeah they really did Spacemen 3 dirty by not mentioning them

[@brianlucas9370]

did you even watch this? sonic boom is at 45:52...

[@Saintdream3]

Love Spacemen 3 but they also really pioneered neo-psych

[@Bewar3them00n]

Lucky enough to see most of these bands live, it was a great time. Shame A R Kane didn’t get the recognition they deserved.

[@mikeschieffer4206]

loved AR Kane, 69 is still totally out there on its own. I wish there was some 80s live recordings out there, I saw them supporting SWANS in 1988, they were mindblowing!

[@crisha721]

I agree. They didn't mention their first EPs

[@dillongstaff5625]

They got a number 1 single (Pump up the volume) with Colourbox - as M/A/R/R/S

[@stacym5135]

It was frustrating to see the Cranes name on the map and the pic but nothing more. Loved them.

[@1anwrang13r]

Yeah, Cranes were magnificent - and they're playing some gigs again!!!

[@stacym5135]

@@1anwrang13r Good to know. Thanks for the info!

[@katdroidd]

In the US the goth scene considered the Cocteau Twins to be part of what we called “ethereal “ music

[@maryburke5423]

Yep, trying to tightly box music into genres is a thing of people looking backwards. At the time there weren’t such boundaries. Lol Tolhurst writes extensively about CT in his book about Goth

[@brysimm404]

The best sub genre of Indie music ever - full stop.

[@TeslaNick2]

Swervedriver never broke up and carried on touring and making records until 2019. Such an under appreciated band and in my opinion, by far the best band to come out of the shoe gaze era.

[@xcx8646]

Raise and the singles around it were great, as was Duel, but the second album onward was patchy, and the singer had trouble staying in tune live. That and the musical sands shifting (bloody Britpop) did for them. A lot of good bands from the early 90s were stuffed by Grunge and then Britpop.

[@rogert.belger3990]

"by far the best.." that's kinda rich ,over the top statement

[@jasonwilcox6637]

I'm 48 and into many types of music, and for some reason, shoegaze completely missed me.

[@krisscanlon4051]

I got 6 years on you and I agree 100%...didn't have to post it! I'm just completely uninterested on a musical level but more on a trivial knowledge level...I don't feel there was a shoegaze scene...its all post punk and or alternative to me...

[@loganvf8718]

⁠@@krisscanlon4051grunge is just post punk then

[@RadicalRoots23]

Good to see this. It is odd that the 80s indie scene has not been focused on more in terms of documentaries, drama and books. There has not been that much on it so far. I think that in itself tells us something about the nature of the scene/type/people. I was 16 in 1986 in Scotland when i started getting into all this, and Scotland was one of the key places for this music and style, obviously, especially Glasgow. I considered making a documentary about it myself quite a while back, after making a few documentary films on the mod/1960s scene ('New Mod Generation', 2000, 'Mod Originals', 2003 and 'Ready Steady Sew', 2004). But i felt it was still too close to me then...perhaps i could try it again now, 20 years later. This here is about the more well known bands, and a specific style of the music then....but a wider range of less known bands should be considered in another documentary, including The Clouds, The Thanes, Talula Gosh, The Pastels, the June Brides, McCarthy, the Soup Dragons, Spaceman 3, the Shop Assistants, The Stairs, The Vaselines, and a whole bunch even rarer bands... Also there should be a focus on the general people into this scene, their haircuts, the 1960s influence (which was very large but not mentioned here almost at all), the focus on retro fashion style from charity shops (a significant sociological thing of rejecting modern fashion and materialism)...and something that is very 'big' now but at that time was a very subculture focus, and touched on in this documentary: a mixing of gender images and behaviour, since the men into this indie scene were distinguished by a feminine appearance and a rejection of macho male stereotypes (for which they often got a lot of abuse from more macho guys then)... and the women into it had a very active part, doing fanzines and playing in bands and (in Glasgow anyway) being very spiky and ballsy. Again, its surprising considering how this gender fluidity is such a thing now that these 80s indie style is not a bigger influence on how people talk about it now. Plus at the time I never called the scene shoegazing or twee.

[@djinnmagik]

Please let me know if you decide to direct a documentary about this period of music or any other documentary about muzik. Thank you for your sophisticated comment. 😁💖🎶

[@erichfischer8064]

We never called it shoegazing either

[@kalevala29]

My first boyfriend played Treasure for me in his dorm room. Alas, no marriage proposal. We couldn't have gotten married then anyway. Eventually, Curve became my favorite of the genre.

[@privatename123]

Add to the awesomeness one of the greatest remixes ever: Soon, by Andrew Weatherall, RIP.

[@javakidnyc1]

Weatherall and the crossover between shoegaze and madchester was not really addressed. The other omission, albeit a nit pick, is not mentioning The House of Love.

[@stuartfishman1044]

When I first heard Loveless, by probably the third song I said to myself, "Sonic Youth, move over". I was a big Sonic Youth fan at the time (still am). Now, I find myself thinking how unfair it was that the best guitar album of the 90's came out in 1991. And MBV's Isn't Anything (which I picked up much later) was a beautiful ride on its own terms. It codified what they would become on Loveless. Wonderful band.

[@avedic]

First time I heard Loveless I was thoroughly confused. I was/am a huge smashing pumpkins fan and had heard Billy cite MBV as god tier music. But my 16yo brain heard undifferentiated static and no melody and terribly mixed drums. I literally returned the CD. Now I'm 40, I've heard Loveless at least 300 times, and it's easily in my top 5 albums of all time. There's universes of beauty in that harmonic ocean. Strange how often truly genius music fails to connect on initial listen, at least for me. But it was destiny...shoegaze will always be my favorite genre ever..

[@BOARMoto-bm2mh]

Dumb. SY and MBV not similar ilk. SY did not need to nor did they ‘move over’. SY>MBV.

[@stuartfishman1044]

@@BOARMoto-bm2mh Where did I say they were similar? I was simply saying that MBV were doing something with guitars that surprised me like Sonic Youth did in the '80s. MBV sounded to me like the next step, which is why I said "Sonic Youth, move over". Lighten up, dude.

[@Dunbar0740]

I bought Loveless in 1991 on the strength of a memory of a snippet of music that had appeared on a television music show over a year earlier. As a 16 year-old with limited access to culture of any kind, I didn't know, at the time, the song was called Soon from the Glider EP released in 1990. My heart leapt when I listened to the last song on Loveless, I'd finally found the source of that mysterious noise. I played the album to a friend of mine who couldn't make heads nor tails of it, but concluded "we'll be listening to this 10 years from now...". Here we all are, 33 years later.

[@avedic]

@@BOARMoto-bm2mh Oh look...a person on the internet who a) incorrectly assessed what another person was saying and b) thinks their subjective opinion is objective fact. You do realize you're a literal trope, right? 🙄

[@foto21]

They show the singer from Catherine Wheel, but don't discuss their contributions, which were HUGE to this genre. It's where I heard the name in the USA. Also, other bands fit this title, like Siouxsie and the Banshees, but didn't fit in the nice genre box.

[@alexanderyaroslavich2703]

Catherine Wheel were a guitar rock band. Great songs, and Rob's vox wre wonderful, but even back in the day, I think they weren't really part of this scene, and their sound (like Swervedriver) was much more hard-hitting

[@avgmaster1]

Shoegaze is the highest form of music.

[@deedeekong7161]

relax

[@r.w.bottorff7735]

This is such a cool doc! Happy that it popped up.

[@robertoanthony6228]

Drop Nineteens , Swirlies, Bowery Electric, Lilys the US had some amazing shoegaze bands. Good documentary but it’s missing some great bands

[@dillongstaff5625]

You can't feature everyone.

[@aggviralbenbow834]

Cocteau brilliance! Still got my 80’s vinyl albums and still play ‘em! Loved that 4AD V.Oliver art work.

[@jimmiejohnson6099]

Thank you so much for this resource.

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[@ncurri]

Great documentary. I can see why Spacemen 3 and Spiritualized were left out, as they seem to be more influenced more by blues and gospel than pop, but I expect that some of the members of the bands covered here would name them as an influence.

[@jodyvance1554]

Blues and gospel??? Have you listened to them? How about psychedelia and postpunk acts? They even covered some psych bands like 13th Floor Elevators.

[@marsoblivi0n945]

Bull crap they’re who did it best. Gospel? What a conclusion. Haha

[@markuspboeddeker5930]

The covered The Staples Singers as well. Take a look at the Spacelines compilation Sonic did of their influences. Lots of Blues and Gospel on there. And besides, it's rather obvious.

[@markuspboeddeker5930]

They

[@stevenharvey1447]

Great documentary. The Lush live track though is "Etheriel" and was broadcast on BBC2 "Snub" on the 26th February 1990. Probably recorded in London. Also, the Cocteau Twins formed in 1981, not 1979. Apart from that, excellent!

[@newforestpixie5297]

Thankyou for this presentation. I must look up those ‘ new ‘ bands listed near the end ❤️🏴😁

[@focuspullermusic6725]

Given that the filmmakers have dedicated a chunk of this documentary to the legacy of Cocteau Twins, you’d think the research would stretch to establishing that Song to the Siren is a This Mortal Coil track. Otherwise really enjoyed reliving my formative years! Nice to see so much detail around so many great bands ❤

[@eboethrasher]

Sure, but in name only. It was just Liz and Robin.

[@focuspullermusic6725]

@@eboethrasher No, it was Ivo’s project, predominantly featuring Liz and Robin

[@dillongstaff5625]

Song to the siren originally by Tim Buckley...but the first released version was by Pat Boone!

[@dillongstaff5625]

No mention of Clifford Ward's band Penny 4 Ur Thoughts - their debut album Shoeglaze was an instant oddity - a debut album issued as a 4 LP box set - surely a first...but sank without trace.I treasure my copy,long overdue a Cd reissue.

[@slavestudios47]

that was exceptional. i was lucky enough to catch that era. still listen to MBV & Swervedriver on a regular basis. great doc.

[@mheberling5939]

Thank you for posting.

[@HanzeLorenz]

You're welcome! great content coming!

[@shaneturner9336]

It was cool that you even had something SO obscure like flying saucer attack ! I LOVED FSA and had EVERY release he ever put out ! “Shoegaze” at its most ambient and experimental and beautiful . Should have been used in so many soundtracks by now

[@MrKGHunter]

No one talks about Spacemen 3 enough. Fucking Gods.

[@ultrajayme]

Honestly surprised Bowery Electric weren't included in this toward the latter half of bands in the original cast of groups to leave their imprint on the scene. Next To Nothing and Fear Of Flying. Without Stopping are all excellent examples of songs worth adding to your Playlists.

[@dillongstaff5625]

Chapterhouse - 35 minutes mark - Check out their version of Lady Godiva's Operation which i reckon gives the V.U. original a run for its money.Chapterhouse (a Reading band) played at the 1991 Reading Festival in the afternoon but had the misfortune to follow Nirvana and their set was ruined by fans shouting for a return to the stage by Nirvana.What a shame for a band playing to a home crowd.

[@daskleinegluck4553]

This documentary is greater than brilliant.

[@tzt1182]

Needed more on Swervedriver but still and incredible documentary. Cool to see Medicine get some love. They were freaking amazing.

[@lanterns]

Yeah they glossed over them and Slowdive. Just a silent fart from Corgan and let's move on. The Swervedriver story is not written.

[@oliviernaud7529]

The Cure was obviously an influence on all these bands, how they approached the guitar in unconventional ways and how they tried to build a mood or a soundscape. And I love how Robert is just there to give love back. Loveless definitely influenced Wish

[@MikeSchismX]

This documentary is awesome

[@Aiur]

Always loves this doc

[@jonesybones13]

Frigging great documentary about great music!

[@considerthis410]

Most beautiful lovely melodies swimming together in the sea.

[@AnthonyPi1999]

Fantastic doc!

[@dawidklucz849]

Scotland is a headquarter of great British music!!!!

[@yespls4184]

Bruh there were only like two Scottish bands mentioned

[@samuelblinne6040]

Great documentary

[@u.kw1461]

Enjoyed this alot. Thanks for the upload

[@HanzeLorenz]

I glad you like it!

[@MrJmawiseman]

Great documentary. Love all the bands on it, but the Telescopes are my true heroes 👍

[@alexandrefirminocoelho8066]

Ainda bem que consegui ver a minha banda favorita, Cocteau Twins, ao vivo, aqui no Brasil. E também, The Jesus and Mary Chain.

[@SaintMartins]

This Doc focuses on bands from the UK but those new to the genre seek out bands from other countries. My personal recommendation is..... *Rose Chronicles from Vancouver Canada* 1993: Dead And Gone To Heaven (ep) 1994: Shiver 1996: Happily Ever After *Signed to Nettwerk Records which gave us Skinny Puppy, Sarah MacLachlan, Moev, Severed Heads, Delerium and the Lilith Fair touring festival* *Won the Canadian Juno Award for Best Alternative Album 1994 (Shiver)*

[@privatename123]

Everything has a lifecycle, music genres included. This one or two was not popular enuf to have an extended cycle. Sad, but true. Vapour Trail, indeed. Some more good songs would have been wonderful. But, I’m thankful for the ones we got, and they still sound fresh 30 years on!

[@tbwatch88]

the black watch love you for putting this up!

[@matthewbeumer3168]

A lot of it was born out of post punk Joy Division Magazine and the more florid music of Siouxsie and the Banshees especially their album A Kiss in the Dreamhouse from which the band Slowdive took their name from the last track on that album and Kate Bush of course.

[@giantrhizomes2470]

bailter space would've been a good addition to this line up.

[@thrrobb]

shoegaze was huge when i was first at uni ["post-rock" when i was post-grad, funnily enough] but i somehow missed the first 3 slowdive eps

[@fboness368]

The first shoegaze song was "All I Wanna Do" by The Beach Boys in 1970.

[@MikeSchismX]

This is amazing

[@dawidklucz849]

Without "Loveless" there will never happens "Siamese Dreams","Mellon Collie and Infinite Sadness" ,OK Computer","Kid A" ,"Amnesiac" and many more

[@ahanga]

I have to say I was a Ride snob and could never get into MBV but upon watching this video I gave it another try and Loveless is such an amazing piece of art! I've been listening to it at work all week!

[@neilyoung5029]

The problem was that the press and record companies were always far too concerned with the ‘new’…..they should have realised that you can have ‘as well’…..Yes blur, Suede, Oasis etc were drawing on more traditional indie rock, 60s and 70s, punk sensibilities….but that was always going to be more accessible than Shoegaze…. I love Shoegaze…..but it isn’t commercial in the same way….BUT it’s massively worthwhile as we now know, it hasn’t died, it’s continued to be vital and influential….just like it was always going to be.

[@woodybalfour8213]

So important...Saw Ride on shrooms last year...Was transcendental

[@MrKGHunter]

Jesus and Mary Chain and Spacemen 3 is where it’s at. They actually furthered the true underground of the VU, Stooges, Red Krayola, Can etc. It’s weird how everyone talks Cocteau Twins, MBV etc all great bands but no one mentions Spacemen 3....even though there’s hundreds of groups ripping them off today.

[@danwilson1040]

Jesus and Mary chain great sound

[@philiprichards7240]

Strictly speaking, A Song to the Siren was This Mortal Coil, not Cocteau Twins, but either way, it's bloody brilliant.

[@toddvw1]

Elizabeth Fraser and Robin Guthrie of the Cocteau Twins performed it...

[@philiprichards7240]

​@@toddvw1On the first This Mortal Coil album.

[@Jeff-by9de]

Song to the Siren was written and performed first by Tim Buckley on his 1970 album, Starsailor. You may want to check it out; he was way ahead of his time.

[@philiprichards7240]

​@@Jeff-by9deChecked him out thirty five years ago, but thanks for the thought. I love Happy/Sad and Dream Letter is terrific too.

[@crypttonite]

we phoned jim & william up in their room at the hotel, we told them we had a pizza for them, they came down, very high end hotel.

[@InParticularNobody]

3:23 Song To The Siren - version by This Mortal Coil - cover of an original song written by 60s folksinger Tim Buckley (father of Jeff).

[@dollarsaurus01]

Interesting fact about this doc: the word shoegaze is never once said by anyone.

[@tommyapocalypse6096]

Except the Japanese translator. lol

[@ostsillyator]

@@tommyapocalypse6096 that's Chinese

[@davedennison7386]

A whole lotta boring/irrelevant labels tossed about in these comments....they were this n they weren't that....its just great fucking music, well some of it...

[@feralfoods]

SPACEMEN 3

[@seamusmalarkey759]

I fell in love to a girl while listening to whirlpool at 14.

[@chriswheatley3146]

It's funny that at the time I thought they were Jesus and Mary Jane (not Chain) as in a drug reference and thought they were just some stoner band. I had also thought at the time that Lush was part of the women's alt-rock scene (post riot grrrl) that got popular with bands such as Veruca Salt. I never really listened to them outside the rare time I'd see them on MTV. The biggest problem is that when Nirvana had hit big, all hell broke lose in the rock music scene and so many new and ignored genres finally got mainstream attention; mainly via MTV. Shoegaze really didn't attempt anything to really be noticed as a genre (in the USA at least) and kind of got mixed in the shuffle with everyone else. Even the name Shoegaze is kind of a bad term if you didn't know what it meant as it sounded like something you'd do while sedated. The first album that I got that could be initially part of that scene was Catherine Wheel's Happy Days; who by that point had completely left the scene and went mainstream alt-rock. Outside that, it'd be Swervedriver's Duel from the Road Rash video game soundtrack; which I assumed was just another alt-rock band like the rest of the bands in that game. I'm only now really noticing most of these bands in this video; mainly due to the influences they've had on bands/people such as Devin Townsend.

[@jamesvevers5462]

I'm like about halfway through this documentary and its pretty cool but I have to say it's really weird that they haven't given at least a shout out to Rowland S. Howard from The Birthday Party / Crime & the City Solution, These Immortal Souls etc. thus far, considering he played a unique wall of noise / untraditional noisy reverb drenched style of guitar before all of these bands (as well as being one of Kevin Shields big influences). I noticed they even mention Cocteau Twins going to a Birthday Party show the night that they handed over their first demo tape before getting signed to 4AD haha.

[@maryburke5423]

The backward looking folks still have no idea where to put The Birthday Party.

[@WhiteWizzard]

I’ve always angrily stated, that shoegaze was a horrible term for this incredible genre …..it was better called the new wave of British Psychedelia. Possibly the best genre ever made. What a run of music, sounds, production amc creativity.

[@catbwoy]

I recall that the term started as a music press insult? Typical of the NME / Melody Maker at the time. Sounds was the only good paper out of the three weeklys.

[@WhiteWizzard]

@@catbwoy it was for sure belittled. I think it was purposefully made to look like a joke due to its power and scope. Those in control of the masses don’t like art that has the ability to move emotions with this kind of force. Happened in the 60s as well

[@galetinm]

​@@WhiteWizzardoh come on. Leave conspiracy theories out of it.

[@joevazquez4653]

I so agree about the term… I prefer the term Stargaze

[@WhiteWizzard]

@@galetinm lol I don’t think you need to be a conspiracy theorist to see how the masses have been purposely dumbed down over the years. But hey you go believe what you want.

[@crisha721]

I remember seeing this when it came out at a film festival, it was so cool to finally have a documentary about dream pop/Shoegaze history. My only critic is that A.R Kane should have gotten more recognition and that Spacemen 3 & Kitchens of Distinction weren't mentioned. That was very direspectful to these bands and their great contribution. Loop was basically a rip off of Spacemen 3. And A.R. Kane and KOD are usually overooked because of racism and homophobia, respectively

[@davedennison7386]

Loop were "basically a rip off of Spacemen 3"..........good lord,are you a music journalist or summat??..what a lazy fxxkin comment..

[@tommyapocalypse6096]

Oh, fer God's sake.

[@crisha721]

@@tommyapocalypse6096 How curious that my comment has moved you, when the only objective has been to make visible the pioneering contribution of other artists who have been unfairly treated. This does not affect your privileges or those of the other bands included in the documentary, which by the way, are all excellent

[@crisha721]

@@JoeHairsprayBand I quote what you said: "Kitchens lyrics are so overwhelmingly queer that it turned off a lot of those who even heard them at all" WOW. And don't you think that is terribly homophobic? .... and then you side about a.r, Kane "they likely alienated most" , "far too many weird". In general, the bands of the time were celebrated for being "weird" (e.g. JAMC, Cocteau twins, MBV), but curiously the weirdness only bothered you when it came from A.R Kane, why is that? because they were influenced by "bland R&B", which is, black music!!!. That's clearly racism. This documentary is about the contribution of bands to the development of a genre not about which one people liked best. In that sense, it is a lack of respect for these bands to have been overlooked since their great contribution to the development of the genre. Everything hyoumentions betrays your prejudices. The Jimi Hendrix example doesn't make any sense. According to your theory, because a black person, in this case Hendrix, did not expect to have status, all other black people should behave the same way and not expect to receive it? Would you say the same about someone white? I know that it is difficult to recognize that one is homophobic and racist, but it would be very good for you to see it. Sometimes we don't want to see our bad side.

[@cristiancarrascohartard8397]

​@@davedennison7386they were considered a rip off by many journalists of the time and also by S3 themselves., with great reason. Spacemen 3 interviewed in Lime Lizard magazine, April 1989, "Yeah, they really ripped us off!! Their first record sleeves, their sound, their live shows, just about everything. Their first few gigs were supporting us. The first time they had acid was when we gave it to them. Then they started calling themselves Loop. The first album was alright but it wasn’t anything we hadn’t done already.". Having this in mind, is very disrespectful to have ommited Spacemen 3 on the timeline of important bands chosen on this documentary, and having included Loop. This is not to say Loop are bad, bad or that ripping off is inherently bad. What is unfair is that Spacemen3 were not recognized as the pioneers

[@ThreadBomb]

40:23 This song is actually 'Etheriel', not 'Nothing Natural'. Cranes were never a shoegaze band. They were industrial post-punk, then goth, then indie pop. They did have one shoegaze song, "Pale Blue Sky".

[@mheberling5939]

I dislike trying to categorize them. They are a fav, but in my opinion, are just a creative group of musicians. Industrial? No way. Post punk? After punk? Nah. Goth? I guess you could say that. "Indie", I'd agree with the record "4" Love that record. Then they went a little meditative/ chilled out. Not being a jerk and I appreciate anyone into The Cranes.

[@tomasmachacek7733]

Also, definitely not 1992, but 1990 I´d say.

[@djskum]

@@mheberling5939 Beautiful friend is my ulimost fav. Got to see them at a small club and they blew me away!!!

[@mheberling5939]

@@djskum same here. Saw Cranes in a small club as well but n Cleveland. They always seemed to enjoy what they did. That was always admirable. Not pretentious or stuck up.

[@MrJawzwa]

I love all these bands. I discovered the Cocteau Twins from a guitar teacher from when I was 14. Took lessons with him for about a few months and discovered them and was blown away. years later I discovered the only American band mentioned her; Medicine. Strangly Brad Laner only has one interview here but according to the credits did the score. saw them twice in Boston, MA, USA and it changed my guitar sound again. Thanks for this doc!

[@seamusmalarkey759]

Slowdive. The guitars are keyboards

[@SeanNaNaNa]

The Lush song at 40:21 is Etherial, not Nothing Natural.

[@WhiteWizzard]

I liked this Doc a lot but how Verve A Storm in Heaven was left out, which is only rivaled by Loveless in the genre, is criminal. I know that they went on to change, grow and become big….but not unlike Iron Maiden in the NWOBHM Verve we’re one of the bands that came out of this scene and became huge. They should be celebrated by fans of the genre. A Storm in Heaven is a crown jewel in this incredible movement of music in a special time. Should have had the same focus of Loveless.

[@galetinm]

The EP they released prior was better.

[@tzt1182]

Nick McCabe is a brilliant guitarist. I think they were skipped because they changed out of shoegaze quite fast. For The Verve it was short but I am thankful it happened.

[@stevereid6557]

@@galetinmThose early EPs and live shows were things of beauty. However, I understand why they aren't included. Perhaps Richard Ashcroft was too ambitious for his own good. The band changed their sound to align with Britpop's (malign) influence, which is how most people recognize them now. It's unfortunate; I particularly missed Nick McCabe's shimmering guitar sound in their later work. They sold a lot of records, but they had so much more to offer.

[@phizzz6111]

Spacemen 3!!!! What about them?!!!!

[@lanterns]

Garage really. Not shoegaze.

[@phizzz6111]

@@lanterns meh. You could say the same about JMC

[@yespls4184]

Yeah Spacemen 3 have been done so dirty.. they're never mentioned as pioneers of this subgenre 😬

[@gustinian]

Er, excuse me... ...Spaceman 3?

[@milanalexich6149]

Soon the utimate

[@LegPuppy]

Excellent documentary. This was a great era for music. Then Brit Pop and the Internet killed it

[@Bewar3them00n]

Alan MGee sounds like a massive tvvat

[@tzt1182]

He was a massive coke head and control freak.

[@edwardmulholland7912]

Lol, maybe he is - but at the end of the day he did release “Loveless”, even if he doesn’t like it. His loss.

[@newforestpixie5297]

I think The House Of Loves’ Love in a Car would’ve made a great tune given more of a Shoegaze twist.

[@crisha721]

I love that track

[@newforestpixie5297]

@@crisha721 the BBC radio 1 session is my favourite version. same with the song Safe - the production has more depth unlike the 1st album which seemed ‘ tinny ‘ in my opinion 😁👍

[@crisha721]

@@newforestpixie5297 I love that version too

[@davedennison7386]

Psychocandy is a great fucking lp...they also sound like early Disorder...did they pinch their sound??

[@ForARide]

Their sound reminds me of The Velvet Underground: John Cale's screeching viola and Mo Tuckers monotonos drumming.

[@holloify_tensa_zangetsu]

When i talk about shoegaze and say experimental noise. People say oh ...like this..and puts onscrulyx

[@paulorta8621]

When so-called "Alternative" bands such as Gin Blossoms and Third Eye Blind come on the scene wearing trendy clothes and pretty boy type haircuts while dating supermodels, that kills the aura, edge, and everything else that defines the genres and sub-genres like shoegaze. The big picture does have a bad habit of impaling what makes something special. And eventually, you start looking for something else. I did during the 90's.

[@tzt1182]

Bands like Oasis killed the genre in the 80s.

[@NZappone53]

send me to an island with only Psychocandy and Loveless and A Storm In Heaven - I'd be a happy boy

[@davedennison7386]

I'll get high to that....

[@scrumblednuts]

who's playing the beautiful noise at the very beginning of the video?

[@Dormin-dg2vn]

Shazam says "Theme One (Beautiful Noise Original Soundtrack) - Brad Laner"

[@eulogin2900]

AR Kane dont exist in any doc about shoegaze...so bizarre and sad

[@davidhoyles8595]

the fact is that everyone that was into this music started taking e and going to raves

[@davidhoyles8595]

@@hazy78 you missed out

[@davidhoyles8595]

@@hazy78 the shoegaze thing was and is still brilliant music but the early rave events where the place to be without doubt, your brother and his mate missed out

[@ariels3372]

SO WHATS FLIPPER?

[@cathylindeboo.9598]

Can someone explain the term "shoegaze" to me, please?

[@Thomasercooll]

The guitarists used so many effect pedals they were constantly gazing at their feet to manage them

[@colinryan8753]

Bullshit label invented by journalists~bands all hated it.

[@GT380man]

I don’t really know. I long assumed it was because my own enjoyment of the music, when I was actively listening to it, as opposed to playing it while doing something else, pins me to the spot and I generally look down towards my feet. I don’t feel like dancing to Decades, The Same Deep Water As You, Soon. I guess people listen in their own way.

[@milanalexich6149]

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