Beethoven Film

[@jduff59]

Can you imagine witnessing history like this? Something that is still so very much loved centuries later, and you are there for it's first performance? Staggers the imagination. One thing that hasn't changed over time is the musician's love of free beer. Amazing film this, amazing.

[@BudFieldsPPTS]

Only surpassed by the notion of being the first person to play it.

[@gopracticenow]

it would be so COOL

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

Just to witness the music and back again since people died by the age of 29 at the time

[@ttacking_you]

@@tyronevaldez-kruger5313 we'd all have to 'witness' it, on a transcript. Unless you were rich enough to have a private concert like this.did they have a phonograph or victrola back then, before electricity ihdk?

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

@@ttacking_you 🙋🏿🇩🇪I'm from Germany, my English skills is little and I probably described it not accurate enough. I meant to travel back in time to witness this beautiful artform in real time but to come back to live 90 wonderful years without without the dang Covid mask on everyone's face

[@stormshadow2k]

I've loved Beethovens music since I was a child, this had me in tears. That opening, and what an ending! Im emotionally drained.

[@newship2660]

❤️❤️

[@MrRobfullarton]

I wonder why Beethoven never married, he seemed to have been rejected by these countesses but with the emotional hurt that he suffered he went and composed powerfully positive and uplifting music. Beethoven was a survivor in the sense that he had been through so much, depression, deafness, ridicule and even thoughts of suicide, but he carried on writing composition and I believe his work got better and better, sometimes his music makes moves me almost to tears and that's good because it means that I'm alive and that I can be touched by something as profound as music and this was written by a man who survived through much!

[@KKIcons]

+MrRobfullarton He had a bad upbringing, also, a drunken father who exploited him for his talent, right?

[@ycaruzob]

yeah always the same of all the Deaf mens very problem unable find the true Romance in womens are feeling uncomfortable.

[@CruelLion7]

he was only 5 foot 4

[@ninagill1407]

Dank Chords but men (and women) were a lot shorter in those days anyway!

[@gesund_mit_chris_IG]

@@ninagill1407 Less meat and milk. Decrease IGF-1. Our children now have early puberties and that's how they also age prematurely and get sick. Really feeling melacholic now😂🙏

[@whiteflag1000]

Wonderful that Beethoven was on this earth and has made me feel so very blessed.

[@TerryUniGeezerPeterson]

No one remembers the critics. It's the great music that lives on.

[@MuseDuCafe]

This excellent film is "Eroica" (2003), featuring a performance of the complete Beethoven's 3rd (which is truly electrifying) in the recording by the Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique, John Eliot Gardiner conducting.

[@AlexChristaki]

Just keep coming back to watch this all over again. Brings my hair on end....

[@IcyLittleBlades]

One thing I always admired about Beethoven was his genius ability to bring you into his world. Like in the intro.. his ability to create a sense of anxiety, which is lead on to an eager curiosity, then full on rage, to a sort of melancholy fall, and then to a glorious triumph! As a soldier, I can reflect upon my feelings throughout a battle the same way. It's almost like you were in the world he created without even realizing it. It's brilliance without comparison, especially in a time of rigidity and suppression of human emotion.

[@sandraflores1163]

IcyLittleBlades t

[@jossdionne9810]

His world, our world... So badly in need of a "Trance-sans-danse"! Allegro assai.

[@nigelanger4176]

Joss Dionne w

[@sylvanavodianova4591]

IcyLittleBlades i totally agree thats how he makes me feel

[@Tsiri09]

I had the honor of being in symphony in high school. We went to a special performance of these pieces performed the way the movie presents them- with instruments of that time only. A "full symphony" changes the entire sound. The music takes you, carries you, inspires you, makes you laugh, makes you cry. I LOVE the Masters. Today's noise cannot compare at all.

[@krisfaith7100]

Ludwig van Beethoven has inspire me to take piano lessons again, and to practice for years of playing his songs

[@Glinkaism1]

Good!

[@Glinkaism1]

This is very well done.

[@jp_0118]

+kris faith He's the main reason I started playing piano as a kid. Go for it lad!

[@magpen724]

I am inspired by Beethoven too. I have been playing the piano for about half a year now, and I decided to learn Fur Elise.

[@TylerMagyarMusic]

kris faith me too

[@andreaherrera4219]

-When I hear Beethoven music when I’m depressed takes my depression away. ❤

[@randaljbatty]

This is a tasty snapshot into just a few of the obstacles that confronted Beethoven -- especially in his early years. Not only did he have to endure the sneering of the elite to which he had to pander, but the rejection of women outside his "commoner" class. The movie nicely revolves around a first playing of his 3rd Symphony, demonstrating the almost non-ability of the orchestral players to rise to the challenges of performing music so foreign to their ears and usual abilities. The 3rd Symphony indeed put everything that came before it to shame (so to speak). Musicologists often refer to this masterpiece as the beginning of the "Romantic" period, separating it from the "Classical" period that came before. As the movie suggests, this is the first piece of music that was infused with the spirit of an individual man. The days of simply creating pleasing harmonics was over. Beethoven, despite his temper and eccentricities was truly heroic because he believed in his own abilities. He seemed to have this uncanny sense of knowing he was forging new ground -- despite all the critics and disparagement, and nothing deterred him.

[@davide.gabert8458]

This is an excellent analysis as the clip here shows; good show.d

[@litltoosee]

Thor Odinson Absolutely spot-on!! Well said! Beethoven's boiling, seething and shifting emotions are displayed as if with lasers!!

[@tomasinacovell4293]

Thor Odinson Well said m'liege!

[@randaljbatty]

+tyicha07 No. That's another film starring Gary Oldman. I believe this is called "Eroica" and was a short TV mini-series. There have been several attempts to depict Beethoven in film, and I think they all fall short or are simply overwrought. This is one of the better attempts (in my opinion).

[@MuseDuCafe]

+Thor Odinson Well, the Mozart K466 D-minor piano concerto did 'what you say Beethoven did' before Beethoven did it -- a piece with which Beethoven was virtually obsessed and for good reasons, as the seeds of his way of generating musical excitement can be found in the Mozart, better, already formed plants, not just seeds. When that Mozart premiered, the cognoscenti knew, once again in music history, that 'music could not be the same after this.' Beethoven, with his less polite push the envelope of classical form, pushed it all that much further.

[@bsymons517]

Wonderful, quite wonderful. Beethoven's music will last forever. Great BBC film. Good cast, acting convincing, musicians superb. Thoroughly enjoyable.

[@kilroy1963]

This must have caused one hell of stir when first performed , somewhat captured here . The Eroica was , and still is , revolutionary.

[@openmusic3904]

I love the addition of the peasant maid absolutely enthralled and captivated by Beethoven's music. From a symbolic perspective it demonstrates what whe have long since discovered, that Beethoven's music is truly a universal language that can touch the soul of a lowly beggar as much as it can a prince. One point though, what the count says with regards to Napoleon was completely true, he was a marauding thug who tricked the working classes into doing his bidding. A man with a resentful bitterness and arrogance, who, once he conquered and killed his way to his 'rightful place' became everything and worse he claimed to be against.

[@DebbieC96]

When people first heard his music must've blown their minds. It still does! The Duke was just jealous that he didn't have such talent.

[@MiloNnaise8185]

ikr...He interrupt Da Buonparte was so like intense and with some happiness

[@4evrwnter]

just like selieri to mozart it Amadeus

[@jimmyalderson1639]

Tbf, Beethoven was like Skrillex to them; except people started to like Beethoven

[@Getoffmearse]

+jimmy alderson Except skrillex is a talentless smug piece of shit when you compare him to Beethoven or if you compare anyone in the dubstep, r&B, and pop industry to someone who spent their whole life, writing, playing, conducting and composing music of their own in front of thousands of people (I.E. Beethoven or any composer during the late classical - early romantic period).

[@Getoffmearse]

+Choppytalltree Martin And Salieri apparently admired and respected Mozart. The story in Amadeus (despite how it portrayed a fairly accurate representation of Mozart) was actually based on Alexander Pushkin's fictional story in the 1830s which talked about how Salieri was jealous of him and actually assisted in making him destitute before he poisoned him (which rather unfortunately paints a sinister picture of salieri). If you look at Salieri's letters and personal notes, there isn't one that shouts a single hint of vindication for Mozart.

[@GuerrierPacifiqueQc]

WOW..... he must have dig deep into himself to pull out music like that! I can't even describe how i felt listening to this

[@andreassiannvart4484]

wow!!!!!! the film shows in a short time Beethoven musical, political and love ideas and we heard Eroica in a very good interpretation in relation with his adoration to Bonaparte, without bad romantisme. I realy ver much appreciate all. Thanks to share it.

[@gitarremundus4313]

Eroica is a milestone of classical music.Beethoven opened and widened the formal structures of polyphonic possibilities for the first time.The first set is unbelievable.One fantastic idea after another.You forget to breathe, because everything is put in there.Joy, harmony, powerful tutti in areas of closed and logical structures of the melodies. At this time, when the master composed it, he already reached the zenit of his unbelievable abilities.

[@krissy5357]

Hello to those students that need to watch it for modules 🤣

[@akilmaldis6357]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@jamiedeleon5103]

hello

[@andreigeroso8072]

Hello😂😂

[@iuhenceargent8860]

Pakopya WAGAHAHAHHAHA

[@andreigeroso8072]

@@iuhenceargent8860 HAHAHA 😂😂

[@twintigtwaalf]

Best I have heard n seen in years. Could not stop watching. Thank you

[@GavinLiuranium]

9:48 "Landowner? ... Brain owner" HAHAHAHA This really accurately referencing his letter to his bro xD

[@Tyrfingr]

Imagine the terror it must have inflicted on the minds of the musicians to be presented with those hefty parchments of notes on the spot. I myself would have required a couple of stiff drinks and a moment of composure to venture into those woods...

[@MsLonelydrifter]

I was looking for another film about Beethoven and I found this! Great actors, great music, what a brilliant idea to show Beethoven in this way!

[@noraarico1313]

Absolutely fantastic video about Beethoven and his music. Wonderfully done and so enjoyable to watch and listen to. His music is fabulously created. Superb acting and musicians.

[@karlclarke]

this symphony changed everything, changed classical music forever

[@Tyrfingr]

Also it remains my most favorite symphony of all times.

[@yazeedbushnaq1925]

Beethoven war, ist, und wird für immer ein hervorragender Musiker... der absolute Meister ohne Zweifel

[@tkelly411]

beethoven made a great noise,,glorious noise too

[@julianjohns5931]

Great Movie! the Orchestra sounds really like reality!! and the atmosphere of the rehersal is so real described!! thank you for posting this!!

[@Glinkaism1]

Yes, a GREAT movie! Much better than the Amadeus movie. Beethoven had more character. Mozart was a frilly twit.

[@jmitterii2]

Roger Wilco The movie Amadeus wasn't historical really other than candles, dress, and some of the instruments.

[@Glinkaism1]

It has its attributes. Lots of asides. Director tried hard to simulate real life.

[@rosspetersen4707]

Thank you very much everyone who had a part in creating the film and for all of your comments. They added appreciation and emotional understanding to a work as beautiful as your intentions. I'm glad I had an adequate supply of tissues for the second viewing. Bravissimo! (Sniff) Encore!

[@wesleycurry6850]

An exceptional film. especially the long shots of the people listening to the symphony. Moving and depth full. Nearly impeccable work of art this little film. Greatly enjoyed. Wesley Lawrence Curry II

[@welshman131049]

an age of elegance with beautiful music !..Beethoven- a genius among men !

[@Inedit3]

"From this day forward, everything [in music] is changed" (Haydn)

[@Owlay84]

This is such a good take on that particular time in Beethoven's life, showing both his professional and also personal life. Ian Hart resembles Beethoven's portrait of 1802 quite well actually, although that portrait was painted 2 years before the first rehearsal of the Eroica, which is when this movie is based, 1804. I would have just done 2 things to have made Ian Hart look a little bit more alike to 34-year-old Beethoven: shorter hair, in this time he didn't have those long wild hairs but rather shorter but, according to his very friends and acquaintances, "untamed hairs", and also I would have covered Hart's natural blue eyes with dark brown contacts. Judging for what his contemporaries used to say, Beethoven seem to have had a very strong deep gaze. I thought Ian Hart did an amazing job as a young Beethoven, the actor who played Ries as well, they all did!

[@paulinesterry7810]

I really wanted to watch a movie about Beethoven, but I could not stand to watch him playing Beethoven.

[@saverious.]

Questions: Write each questions at least 1~2 sentences or more. MUST answer all questions. Eroica (2003) is a film that recreates June 9, 1804 in Vienna, the day of the first reading of Beethoven's 3rd Symphony aka Eroica. 1. At 9:20 when the member of the aristocracy asks Beethoven if he is a landowner, how does he respond? What does this tell us about Beethoven's place in the social class structure of Viennese society? 2. At 14:20 the orchestra briefly begins their first read through; Beethoven interrupts them at 15:20; how does everybody react? 3. At 15:45 what does Beethoven say about his markings in the score? 4. Just after 24:46 Beethoven's assistant Ferdinand Ries thinks the French hornist has made a mistake; he then interrupts the orchestra; how does everybody react? 5. How does Ries' reaction to this "new" piece of music show us how revolutionary Beethoven's music really was in its own time, in that his own student did not understand what Beethoven was doing? 6. At 33:05 notice that Beethoven's use of sotto voce marking for an instrument contrasts the more traditional use as a vocal marking we witnessed in Mozart's Requiem; how does this show an evolution within the Viennese sound itself? 7. How does the portrayal of Beethoven display his artistry and importance in the history of the symphony? Beethoven's Eroica Symphony - the 1804 first reading by an orchestra . 8a. At 2:47 below what is Beethoven able to unite into one "entity"? 8b. In three sentences or more, what contradictions might Leonard Bernstein be referring to, and how does he describe Beethoven's Eroica symphony? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX_cnZRrhsuBY7s . 9. As you watch Andrés Orozco-Estrada conduct Beethoven's Eroica symphony, how would you describe the conducting (hands, arms, baton, and facial expressions) and overall sound of the orchestra? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJmrlKevbrSAY5I . 10. As you watch Alondra de la Parra conduct Beethoven's Eroica symphony, how would you describe the conducting (hands, arms, baton, and facial expressions) and overall sound of the orchestra? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJ2Ycn-IarZ4ibs

[@jennifergarvin9347]

i love this movie i feel im in the concert with him beethoven is one of the great composers

[@Themezas2]

I never though I could do both, love his music and admire his character! Wunderbar fur ein Komponisten!

[@shannonwittman950]

Really REALLY remarkable. From a cinematic viewpoint, this is a wonderful film. Tight and economical, yet it permits we moderns to step into a bygone era. We stroll and observe and listen alongside some of the great men and women of Beethoven's age -- and one or two of those who THOUGHT they were great -- and witness, as Haydn observes, that from this day forward (paraphrasing) everything changes. We are even reminded of the gleeful "ignorant" joy of childhood that can yet be stirred into the majesty of Beethoven's piece. This is a magnificent piece of film work. Thank you!

[@daniellefarran7176]

Greatest composer of this world

[@mrktyb]

german culture at one of her best !

[@gregsdrummer]

When Beethoven tells that his apprentice to piss off, I died!! Hahahhaa the acting and the kid ahh it was funny

[@lxdgr8]

I loved Beethoven back when all my elementary school peers separated each other as either "rockers" or "boots." They put me in a category of one they called "saints."

[@LuizFin]

Good one Alejandro... But when we're grown up and understand more about such a man, we get able to not feel like just "nerds", do you know what I mean? Regards.

[@lxdgr8]

When we're kids, we think we're weird. When we're adults looking back, we realize we were cultured at an early age.

[@youngagain0716]

Yes, we were definitely cultured. :)

[@ricardonascimento6020]

Grande filme!!! As expressões de Beethoven estão perfeitas. A execução é perfeita. As expressões dos atores são perfeitas. Grande obra cinematográfica. Digna da Sinfonia Eroica. Bravo!!!!!

[@ziblot1235]

Ian Hart has a keen sense of the inner man in any role he plays. I think I first saw him in "All Quiet" But his portrayal of Hitler was second only to Guinness'. And Beethoven..is just spellbinding. Its like getting in a time machine. Keep it up Ian. Yer the best, brother.

[@evgenytaneev]

Original and well done made move! I Really like it.So moving. Beethoven's music as his love will be always immortal..Thank you for sharing!

[@dougalina123]

This is a wonderful film! I've studied classical music all my life and I've never seen anything quite like this: the telling of the story BEHIND the music. I always knew that Beethoven was a supporter of Napoleon, whom he admired deeply, but I never knew his disappointment of him when he became emperor.

[@Einnor084]

dougalina123 YUPPERZ!!!! I suspect history will repeat itself, wit Kayne Wesf & Donald Trump. LOL!!!

[@tbarrelier]

A brilliant concept: the Eroica as main character! The filmmaker brings out not only the revolutionary, but also the prophetic nature of this work. Here we are, 212 or so years later, and the Funeral March speaks well to the death of Western Civilization. The nobles, at the time, could sense the end of their world listening to Beethoven's music, but it seems Beethoven was seeing far into the future. Thank God for Beethoven. Without the music he scribed, this world would be barely livable.

[@debradorfman1232]

tbarrelier. You are so right. I need Beethoven to help me going over the edge.

[@Jimserac]

I hate to rain on your projections but Western Civilization is undergoing a Renaissance. Beethoven's music represents the liberation of the human spirit and breakout from conventionalism and conformity and authority. That process is still happening to this day. But an unexpected assistance has arrived, in the nick of time, the Internet and its concomitant cell phones to unify and make knowledge and information no longer the province of jealously guarded monopolies while at the same time allowing us communication across political and other barriers. What socio-cultural consequence results from that is hard to predict but it most certainly will not be the death of Western Civilization.

[@cjmacq-vg8um]

+Jimserac... sorry, but the internet and cellphones will be the death of us all. they've already enslaved us, as has all mechanization, computerization and digitization. what you are exalting are the instruments if the police state, the concentration of elitist power and the centralization of conformity, celebrity worship, personality cults and corporate corruption. the modern age would scare the shit out Beethoven as it should any thinking person.

[@cjmacq-vg8um]

+Strefanasha... sadly I must agree. over 5000 of artistic expression right along side elitist corruption and the elitist corruption is as bad as ever. I've yet to see art truly effect or change anything. all it tends to do is perpetuate the romantic notion of change, the "hope" of change or maybe even bring to light the necessity of change but I've yet to see it actually change anything. this includes music, writing, painting, photography or film. the elite still succeeds at dividing and enslaving us.

[@arnoldwohler]

Beethovens Musik ist ein Fest!

[@calongwir3769]

Intéressant film, where thé music is thé diva, and all else through it...thé actor truly echoes Beethoven's face, as well as his voir acting in itself. Thanks you for posting this, many do not even know it was made. Really fine musicians as well. Oboist is à pleasure, and I am tough on that point!!

[@AmaranathRanatunga]

Fantastic and a fine lesson. Thank you for your invaluable effort.

[@lessofyou]

You know what Beethoven needs? A hilarious laugh.

[@JohnKevinSoriano]

like mozart's

[@JohnLReed]

John Kevin Soriano xD

[@KKIcons]

+lessofyou I thought that maniacal laugh as he was going up the stairs was pretty funny, though.

[@kimjeffries7021]

In real life Beethoven was known to have a very deep, hearty laugh.

[@Vickstorm]

lessofyou lolololololololol I just died thanks!!

[@sylvester6790]

Wonderful! I didn't knw if this film! Only with Gary Oleman and he was superb! I must see this one!

[@marcaguilozdocor2410]

Facts About Beethoven: 1.Beethoven was deaf In His Mid-Twenties 2.Beethoven Began Composing In 3 Years Old 3.Beethoven Was Born In December 16 1770 4.Beethoven Died of a post-hepatitic cirrhosis of a liver In Aged 56 5.Beethoven Was Born In A Family Of Musicians 6.Beethoven Was A Talented pianist 7.Beethoven Did'nt heard his ninth symphony 8.Beethoven composed even while he is deaf 9.Beethoven Had Performed 5 symphonies,5 concertos for piano 32 piano sonatas and 16 string quartets 10.Beethoven Was Born In Germany And Thats It.

[@renman103]

Beethoven is now decomposing

[@renman103]

Beethoven s first movement was created in his bathroom

[@ludwigvanbeethoven4132]

His dad was an alchoolic and would let beethoven only play the piano at night.

[@pri_kristel]

Thx for facts bruv

[@ludwigvanbeethoven6518]

@@ludwigvanbeethoven4132 fck our dads

[@terencole1854]

This was amazing & inspiring. Thank you for posting... saved me

[@JilNss]

that was beautiful....... I have nothing more to say........wow

[@lxdgr8]

Breathtaking and divine.

[@Jimyblues]

Thanks this is a great video - not just the music, but the acting, camera work, script- superb

[@wbiro]

Two Key Notes: Compare 7:45 to 8:45 (the accepted vein of orchestral music) to 14:40 to 15:20 (before the orchestra understood it). to get a sense of how much Beethoven was going against tradition (not an easy thing to do back then, when pomposity reigned)... After the orchestra is instructed 'how' to play it ( 17:00 on), that is what we are familiar with (what seems 'normal' to us now). The aristocracy was aghast - so 'violent' - I suppose they felt threatened, though I wonder if they had a sense of listening to the future, or to greatness… Inner Thoughts and Alternate Dialog: Aristocrat: “Is the music new?” Beethoven: “From beginning to end.” Aristocrat: “That is impossible.” Beethoven: “I’ve taken a new path.” Aristocrat: “Was there something wrong with the old?” Beethoven: “Not inherently… but in other ways, how can I describe it, let me search for the best word… overdone, lifeless, uninspired, dead, a barely animated corpse… no, there is no single word - they all apply. So as a healthy reaction to this unfortunate state of artistic affairs, my piece is new structurally, melodically, harmonically, and thematically; and it is new in focus and philosophy; and it has an explosive, youthful exuberance, as if discovering love and power for the first time, which I hope to mature over the next few decades, and throughout my lifetime; I have turned the orchestra into a living, breathing being, filled with passion and emotion and churning intellect - it is not music for occasions or galas or the ballroom floor, if that is what you are asking - it is music for the soul, music to course through your veins and renew a decaying, dying, wholly repressed and suffocating life.” Then, turning to the orchestra: Beethoven: “You were trained to play ‘nice’, to play ‘beautiful’. Well, I do not want ‘nice’ and ‘beautiful’. I want life and death. I want love and heartbreak. I want anger and despair. I want joy and ecstasy, and I want them ALL AT ONCE! I want your instruments to bleed, to cry out in sorrow, in pain, in jubilation, in an awakening. I want God’s thunder! and I want those ALL AT ONCE, too! Play it like there are no measure bars, for I wrote it as if there were no measure bars - you must think in whole phrases that ignore them.” Then, turning to the aristocrat: Beethoven: “Give me time, your Excellency - and I will eventually, as I mature, weave sophistication and heavenly humility into all of this, worthy of God’s grace and man’s dignity.” Dialog That I Wouldn’t Change (begin at 24:40 to see the context): “It didn’t sound right, it didn’t obey the rules.” Beethoven: “Piss off!” (Which gives you a sense of the ‘stir’ it created.) Aristocrat: “It is filled with genius, Herr Beethoven, I just wish you applied it to something more civilized!” Beethoven: “Love and passion cannot be tamed, only leashed. I have unleashed them here, and have given them a good run. Aristocrat: “Well, put them back on a leash and give me my orchestra back!” Beethoven: “You mentioned ‘Civilized’, which brings up ‘beastly’ - now ‘beastly’ is a thought - to write something from a beast’s unrestrained, uncalculating, innocent and pure perspective… I don’t think it has been done, at least not in our time, or with our enlightened insights into nature… I just may give it a try next - it is an area that needs to be explored…” Aristocrat: “I envisioned a battle, men marching, sabers shining, horses rearing! I was meant to, wasn’t I?” Beethoven: “No specific mental images, but specific emotions. Each listener will have different associated mental images for them, and for how they interact and change. Some listeners may envision a battle, others may envision a stormy love affair.” Aristocrats: “Forgive us for missing the opening.” “You didn’t miss very much, my dear - a tasteless intermarriage of the diatonic with the chromatic, hardly worth hurrying for.” (Beethoven was speechless - what he should have said): “Oh, suffer such slings and barbs I must! But to offer an explanation, I could not very well reanimate the corpse of the major scale and marry it with the lifeless body of the minuet - I am driven to explore new ground, and not merely to taste, but to what needs to be said in the supine world I find myself immersed in.” Aristocrat: “That is a vocal marking, you can’t use that for instruments, it is absurd.” Beethoven: “Correction - you could not use it before Beethoven. Beethoven deemed it fit for his needs, and so it now shall be. Now technically, what is ‘voice’ but an instrument vibrating? It applies to instruments, but more, to the instrumentalist’s inner conflict, which will now come forth through the instruments; and so, in the name of more significant art, it is done.” At 31:08 I’m surprised the aristocrat didn’t jump in and say, “Enough! Enough of this noise! What are you doing to my orchestra!?” (refer back to 8:04 as a reference) (and note how the movie captures the female’s expression of, “Yawn, this type of music is getting old - pointless, shallow, lifeless, and stale. It was exciting 50 years ago, but now… no.”) Watch for a minute at 34:50 then jump back to 7:45 again, and you can see that, at 7:45 the orchestra is playing for approval, and nothing more. To flaunt that, Beethoven must have been a very brash 35 year old indeed (and to adhere to such integrity toward his art in the face of saccharine requests, mindless off-the-cuff suggestions, and manipulating self-serving demands. 35:20 to 35:37 - when the camera shifts to the somewhat sympathetic aristocrat’s expression, I read in the expression: “This music is greater than I, and I am not used to that, especially from someone with no rank. This is not the way things are supposed to be. This is sign that things are changing, which does not bode well for me or my stature.” 35:47 illustrate the problem they had with women at concerts and plays - the wouldn’t shut-up. (the ancient Greeks barred women from plays for that very reason). The male aristocrat goes, “Shhhh.” as if to say, “Stop your light chatter - I am deriving a lot from this.” The woman at 36:13 shows that not all women are like that (superficial, clueless, and shallow). At 37:07 Beethoven’s expression says, “I will settle for nothing less than a jaw-dropping, “WOW”… At 37:30 Beethoven’s student’s expression is, “Wow, I really did not understand this, now I do.” At 38:16 the aristocrat’s expression is, “Arrest that man!” and, “This is not proper.” and, “but I must admit, this is genius, if misapplied.” At 39:35 the romantic interest’s expression is, “What has he done, what has he done… this could not be a good thing I am getting into, I do not need this risqué…” and, “His mistress is his music - no, he is already married to it; there is no room for me in his life.” At 40:23 Beethoven would have realized this, and would have wanted to tell her, “Thank you for smiling down on me, if only for a moment - your support, even as covert and fleeting as it must be, is greatly appreciated.” The look of the aristocrat at 40:44 “I wonder if murder is out of the question…” then at 41:11 “I’m beginning to like it, but I must never admit it.” Then, “Yes… there is really something to it - it is really uplifting…” Beethoven at 42:21 “OK, this performance is around 80% - not bad, I can live with that…” then at 42:31 “I hope they don’t screw the next part up; no, I hope I didn’t screw the next part up…” then at 42:41 “Hey, these guys aren’t bad - I think I’ll give them a 100…” 43:00 “This is awesome stuff!” 43:06: “I must blow, I must blow…” 43:12: “If I had my cell phone right now, who would I be talking to… hmmm… Marge is having a baby shower next Wednesday, what should I get her… ah, I know - I will get her Beethoven! No! I want Beethoven! No! I cannot have Beethoven! Ouch! Did I just strain my mind again? Hmmm… I don’t know - all thoughts are gone… ah, but they will return… or will they? I… just… don’t… know…” Then at 44:18 “I wonder if she knows I haven’t a thought in my head…” 44:28 “This is crazy-strange, but I think I like it…” 40:56 “God is revealing Himself…” 48:14 and My Response for Beethoven: “You make excellent points, and if I were wise, I would adhere to them… but… (long pause, indicating that he is not wise in that manner) I have considered them, and I have discarded them as pompous, irrational, and irrelevant; at best, triflings for children to bandy over. They are not what really matters most.” 48:42 Aristocrat: “It is lunchtime, and we are only half-way through. I take it it has four movements.” My Response for Beethoven: “Do you want cheap carnival, or do you want sublime? Sublime requires time, sublime requires development, and sublime takes you further.” What I would not change: 48:43 Aristocrat: “You must admit dear friend, it IS rather difficult.” Beethoven: “High praise, for difficult is good, difficult is beautiful; difficult is closer to the truth.” OK, I would have added, “and it IS good exercise for the listener, if the listener derives nothing else from it.” Aristocrat: “The French are marauding thugs, and Bonaparte an ill-bread adventurer.” Female: “Louie doesn’t think so. Do you?” My response for Beethoven: “Unfortunately, there are elements of truth in both statements, but the picture is more complex than that. I can say that what he offers the individual is dignity and hope, which hasn’t been very forthcoming from our local leaders of late; and perhaps due to ill-breeding, but I didn’t say that.” 56:35 The classic illustration of “girl music/guy music”. My response for Beethoven at 56:52: “My music frightens you, and you shouldn’t have said that? No - thank you for sharing that - it is a new insight for me. I will consider that in the future.” My response for her to Beethoven at 59:18 “There you go, it is all about ‘you’, isn’t it. You say I give you life. Great, but where does that leave me?” 1:00:21 (“You cannot marry a man without a title.” “No, I cannot.”) My response for Beethoven: “I see. Thank you, Josephine, I did not know. Oh, I’m sorry for all of this - I must be happy that you do love me - that alone can carry me through life. Thank you. I suppose our relationship was made for dreams. Tell me, if I find another woman to love, would you be jealous or disappointed, would it hurt you?” “No… well, yes - but I would also be happy that you found happiness. What I would wish is that my love would fortify you, forever, but you see now how we cannot have what you want. Leave us, our love, to dreams - for they are the stuff of music - perhaps that is what my purpose to you was - the agony of love, and your music, your art, is the search, the yearning, for the ecstasy - create it for both of us, Louie - you need to create it, and I need to hear it.” 1:10:47 Watching the musicians, there is something for a composer to consider: Are the musicians going to be immersed in the music, totally focused, and giving it their all - with their minds, and thus their hearts, drifting ‘into’ the music; or will they be disinterested, with their minds, and thus their hearts, drifting off to other matters? 1:13:38 Was Hayden hearing the future, and thinking, “We have had enough of the past; this is the future.” 1:15:19 (when the children ran into the midst of the playing orchestra) - Beethoven: (thinking) “Well, so this is the sublime while children are running about… I suppose that if it does not mesmerize them, too, then I have work to do…” It is just like kids, however, to gum-up the works… I know what the symbolism was - that Beethoven had no room for children in his life, and that the children need their mother - the she is now a mother; so he resigns himself to her being unable to marrying him, and is grateful for what he had, and what she gave him. and next to last, what Hayden said: “The music is quite new, it is different, the artist placed at the center of the music, the artist as hero. Everything is different from today.” Then last, when Beethoven finds out Napoleon made himself Emperor, my response for him: “Well, Napoleon has failed it, but the idea of the hero is still alive, and that is what the symphony was about all along. I shall change its dedication to the ‘Heroic’.”

[@KKIcons]

+Numi Who Do you think the artist as hero puts too much pressure on the artist? Before this time, wasn't composing mostly for fellow composers, for peers? And not being a hero, being more of a humble artisan, leaves one free to do the craft without impossible expectations. Especially in a culture where true religious faith is in decline, one starts to depend on the artist to provide that source of religious ecstasy that faith used to provide. Some of the earlier music, with the right, living interpretation, provides that for me, just as Beethoven does, if not more. "What if I am not the hero? What if I am the bad guy?" I ask myself, what is being transferred from my soul to yours, from this art that has the power to make you experience what is deepest in my soul? What if what is deep in my soul is really evil?

[@Scpr.ValerieMay]

thank you so much! do you think Beethoven like children? thanks again for your great Comment!❤❤❤

[@anthonyricchiuti4128]

Outstanding film. The man was so far ahead of his time. What Chuck Berry was to Rock And Roll, Beethoven was to the Romantic Period.

[@jamescecil3563]

The world changed with this music

[@elizabeths4371]

WOW! This was sooooo GOOD!!!!

[@dmitriguerriero5879]

Thank you very much for this wonderful movie! Superbly written, acted and played. I saw it maybe twenty years ago and it has lost none of it's luster.

[@LouieBeethoven]

There are many things I enjoy about this film. One, there is not a lot of over-acting and glamorous movie star types. I love the musicians. It's wonderful to see a film where you can watch musicians do their thing without a lot of sloppy dialogue.

[@richdiana3663]

Like many of the great minds throughout antiquity Beethoven perceived beyond the drab and mundane, beyond even the best of the day. He perceived from infinity itself.

[@RobSinclaire]

"Difficult is good, difficult is beautiful, difficult is closer to the Truth" @44:40 and elsewhere

[@michaelkobrin6774]

I have a BSed in music education. As far back as I can remember, I have always considered Beethoven to be the "top of the heap". I have (a bit tongue in cheek) always said that there is but one God, Beethoven, and Mozart was his prophet. I JUST chanced across this film a few days ago. I have long been familiar with the circumstances surrounding the Eroica symphony. While I can't comment on the veracity of EVERYTHING shown, most of the salient points are accurate, and I think the entire production is phenomenally excellent.

[@chillermafia]

+Michael Kobrin agreed

[@jonathancraun9157]

Fantastic! In the art of film making and the music. I fear most would not appreciate this.

[@lobsterbobable]

Well, if YOU say most would not appreciate this we should all stop worrying that they would.

[@MattDillonX]

I couldn't stop to watch until the end, maybe because I adore Beethoven's 3rd - but it's very interesting to hear the entire music (in a very good interpretation) combined with a so-to-say biographical movie-action - never seen something like that before

[@michellepost3098]

In most movies I have seen of him, the actor playing Beethoven has looked almost exactly like him. I have a 40 cd box set of each of his 9 symphonies and every other music he ever composed. I got it at Barnes and Noble several years ago for $100. In 1974, at age 13, I had a big crush on him even though he has been dead for centuries. Most women he fell for were rich countesses who were probably snobs.They just liked to tease him. He has always been my fave of classical music.

[@fhpr68]

Ah...I see we have found the birth of Heavy Metal.

[@ObroaSkai37]

+fhpr68 LoL :)

[@mailsumansanyal]

u r right .... he was a rockstar

[@inkedhigh]

right before the electric guitar. I love learning new things ha ha

[@pascalcorazza9972]

@Timothy Lam hahaha

[@metalfan6040]

Indeed... what an important moment especially for me as a metal fan....

[@noniehubrecht5424]

Wonderfully conceived and executed. Bravo.

[@clovissimard3099]

Cette musique est à la limite du beau et du vrai !! Génial !

[@neddygn]

Erorica must be appreciated from the view point of musical innovation. However, some who are stucked in the past with the usual familiarity of the norm will always reject what they cannot control or change...I give high praise to Hyden for his foresight and acceptance to the future of Beethoven's musical vision....

[@andresllorente5852]

1:04:15 oh My goodness!! He is the actor who played Wladyslaw Szpilman's father in The Pianist (2002)

[@leosrule5691]

The vision inspired in me while listening to the composition was that of the 'Elite class' enjoying the gaiety of a ball inside their mansion totally oblivious to a war and chaos going on outside. It was frivolity intertwined with chaos and rage.

[@jeffreyjeziorski1480]

We must take a moment to praise the musicians in the orchestra in this fictional performance. They are SIGHTREADING this piece. All they want is beer and food.

[@davidlis8756]

Joseph Haydn approved of Beethovan's "new" music...Bravo!

[@Wolfgangfm]

about Eros & Heros, great Impression & magnificent orchestration.

[@DidzYbanez]

4:39 "... I think you'd rather find it thrilling". "Haydn?" "Beethoven". I wonder what it was like to live with these people knowing they'd become one of greatest musicians of all time

[@derfossa]

He looks like Bilbo Baggins

[@skeistan]

I thought the same. lol

[@p.galvez]

I really agree! I thought the same when I saw him

[@harukatakahashi8822]

FeldwebelPfeffer I know right?! xD I love it

[@YHornMoreno]

FeldwebelPfeffer Hehehehehehehehehe XDDD so true!

[@maxkoller6315]

Stimmt

[@kevp9601]

I LOVE YOU, LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN!!! :D

[@instantinople3796]

Marry him

[@kiraissecretlyapillarman3505]

InstanTinople I would if I could.

[@alinaadenan6225]

I thin Beethoven is dead now because you are not bornat

[@annauwuu]

@@kiraissecretlyapillarman3505 yea I hope so too❤️❤️❤️

[@froggyctf5497]

1:12:49 is my second fav part

[@Epochenwechsel]

Danke fürs hochladen. Ich hatte noch nie von dem Film gehört.

[@marthagantze3092]

Aaah, Bonaparte. Who else got goosebumps during the first part?

[@amvalkyrie6496]

Me, I almost cried even though I haven't since 7 years or so.

[@leosrule5691]

Although this sounds like old-fashioned ballroom music today, back then the 'difference' in his style would have been like our grandparents hearing rock & roll for the first time. And, for our (my) generation it was rap music. Sometimes change is hard to accept.

[@kaushikmmahadevan2225]

if haydn can approve of beethoven's Eroica, then it must be a very good piece and the third movement is just splendin!!!! the actor playing haydn is very good and has the same facecut like haydn's face

[@frankorusso]

Gran film, magnifica Musica!!!

[@leodepuydt308]

Beethoven. Stellar composer. Few come closer to the divine Pergolesi than he does. Leo Depuydt PS I played him as part of a member of a symphony orchestra.

[@PADARM]

My God, this Music is not from this World. No words can describe it

[@kamarradwan1989]

I love your songs to much

[@haimlevy654]

great do not miss this one

[@alunchurcher7060]

beethoven was a genius of his time the 3rd might be hard to play but wow what a masterpiece

[@tmc359]

1st movement of the 3rd Symphony "Eroica" (Heroic).

[@lxdgr8]

I have important things to do. Why am I still watching this? I am captured.

[@UlfenDaddy]

Because there are moments, when absorbed in Beethoven, that there is Nothing *more* important than [his] music.

[@daved6168]

Beethoven is WAY BEYOND MERE GENIUS. He is UNCANNY, to the point of being TRULY WEIRD, likely the ONLY TRULY WEIRD HUMAN, EVER! Knew too much to be mere mortal like the rest of us.

[@abhilashpaul2248]

I have to admit that the movie is excellent in composition. One who is familiar with his immortal beloved.. such a true passionate love towards a countess.. can understand his bold and transparent character wrestles for equality and dignity. Talented Mozart did it everything for money and fame. Beethoven just expressed himself

[@Einnor084]

Abhilash Paul Beethoven wuz only able 2 acheive such luxury, bcause of da sacrifice, of Mozart. ( Vienaz guilt over lettin such genius die, even azz they were so blase about him living amongst them. )

[@GODlikesTRUTH]

The best music is silence, it gives you the possibility to use your destiny. THINKING. music is like smoking, must warn from it

[@adrianobulla7875]

Extraordinary. Thanks for posting it.

[@tomw8]

Glorious glorious Beethoven - happy birthday ❤️💜

[@saraweekley602]

Sorry I don’t know any of their names but there are so many people from my favorite movies and show in here. 1- vampire diaries 2- Alice in Wonderland 3- pirates of the Caribbean I never thought I’d see them in this movie

[@johnoconnor8721]

I never have believed in past lives but when I hear or (see) the German language, something stirs inside of me. I have an understanding of Italian but German feels very comfortable. Do past lives exist?