Before you buy a western wideout

Today we talk about the western wide plow. Reference snoway and snow dog.

[@dguiley]

I had an 8’ straight blade and it was very tight doing bank drive-thrus at one property I used to have. Just this season I upgraded to a 8.5’ V-plow and that like that it gets narrower in scoop mode for such a scenario. Wings or an expansion blade just won’t do the same thing. Actually glad I didn’t go with the bigger option.

[@tylerneuhaus573]

Love the wideout, easy controller once you get the hang of it.

[@JohnnyMow]

Tyler_573 I’m sure I’ll get the hang of it

[@jamesnm21]

@@JohnnyMow here's another option to consider in addition to the joystick. www.storksplows.com/aftermarket-western-wideout-handheld-control-ultramount-96500-wide-out.html

[@jamesnm21]

Maybe western will put the expandable wings on their V plows.

[@nickc2708]

Wide out users be moving snow. V plow users can only understand 2 buttons.

[@HavocAdventure]

Yea for a beginner that is trying to pay attention to to many things the joy stick is probably the best way to learn. Once an experienced operator gets a handle on the wideout controller, it's second nature. I like that i can feel the shape of the buttons with my thumb and know exactly what i'm hitting. With the wideout, you can push snow to the end of a lot in scoop and tap the retract button at the curb and leave it way cleaner than a standard plow with wings. I'm a huge fan of the wide-out, this is my 5th year with it. I've also ran other plows.

[@JohnnyMow]

Running925 I’m sure I’ll get used to it

[@DS-TRUCKS]

Your right. I just put it in scoop and run it. Forget all those wings...

[@LawnscapesAmerica]

Another Great video. I’ve been in this industry for over 20yrs & thank God I’ve never hit a car. Came close a lot b/c my attention got away from me. But that’s why there’s insurance. Important part is that you just hit a car & nobody got hurt.

[@JohnnyMow]

Lawnscapes of America thanks. I was pretty upset with myself but like u said nobody got hurt and in the end I have insurance

[@JohnnyMow]

But that remote really screws me up.

[@LawnscapesAmerica]

We are human. We make mistakes. I used to tell my daughters that’s why they put erasers on pencils & there’s white out for pens 😂 . Look, at least people get to see that even a pro can make a mistake. It happens. Your an inspiration to a lot of guys & gals out there. Keep up the great work

[@tompritchard2142]

Dude, the controller is awesome. It takes a shift or two.

[@jsolemi3281]

Picked up a wideout xl and the new design is way better. Same exact controls as our mvp3 9’6 with wings. When I want to retract one wing in I simply double click that wing button because the wing always goes out on the first click.

[@JohnnyMow]

I’m deciding if I’m going to keep it or not.

[@avl082278]

Too much drama that plow is very simple tu use and much faster to get jobs done than any other type I own different types of plows and this the best

[@CountrysideStrong]

I'm really surprised how much that truck drops when you lift that blade, even at it's weight. I would have timbrens in that front end for sure. Great review as always buddy. Looking forward to that salter review. I'm pretty sure I know which way it's gonna go....

[@JohnnyMow]

Countryside Vlogs 1100 lb on the front end if this was my Chevy my front end would be on the ground lol. I will review really soon the salter

[@CountrysideStrong]

@@JohnnyMow there's so many guys in my area that run that exact plow on 2500hd trucks.... Handles it great but most of them run timbrens. There's a couple guys with new 2500hd trucks without timbrens that don't seem to have a problem. Not a fan of superduty suspension at all. Every single one around here sags like crazy in the ass end with small trailers or light loads in the beds. You know what you're doing, I'd just be careful if you're keeping that plow

[@JohnnyMow]

Man I think it handles this plow really awesome without timbrens it rides awesome and it has plenty of room for drop I will send you a picture of the springs it sits extremely high in fact it’s too high.

[@CountrysideStrong]

@@JohnnyMow as long as you're comfortable with it that's all that matters. It just looked like it really dropped in the video. My plow is lighter but it only drops 1.25" when I lift my blade with the wings on.

[@upscalelawncaremonroe408]

Real nice plow but don't know much about them but nice!

[@JohnnyMow]

Upscale Lawn Care Monroe thank you. It’s a heavy weight for sure

[@coloradodude2612]

Hey Jonny I got my Frist plow right after Thanksgiving it has snow once on the 27 of December of 6 inches very dry in Denver but the mtn are get a lot of the snow I just wish it not run out before it got over the mtn I might have to get the mow out soon

[@JohnnyMow]

Colorado dude remember it’s a investment. I hope u get more snow.

[@plowboy6636]

thanks for video, Controller would drive me a bit crazy as well. I hope you get used to it and the accident get resolved to your satisfaction. Meiters wants you back in a snoway. I have a 29hd with wireless, not sure which one you had.

[@JohnnyMow]

PLOW BOY same plow loved it except when it got too deep

[@tylerstortz6073]

You should just get a prodigy if you can't figure how to run a wideout

[@coloradodude2612]

I forgot to tell I got a boss standard duty straight plow 7' 6"

[@Firefighterthomas176]

Try a v plow

[@Dodgestruction]

I've run the Blizzard version for years. It has just as many buttons. Never hit anything. After a couple storms, I could run everything without looking. I think you made your review too soon. You just need time to get used to it. Make a another review with more time running it.

[@sunriseexpress4961]

Well, I watched pretty much all your video. All I can say is that I've been running these Western wideouts for several years, and it's just like wiping your ass once you get used to it. It's just like everything else. It's one of the best plows that I've ever ran and I've been in this industry for 49 years. Hands down without a doubt plows faster than any plow produced out there on the market. I would challenge anyone in a parking lot. Or private roads residential's Etc. The controller you don't look at it. That's your first problem. You just start running the buttons with your fingers and get used to wear the positions of all them are and you go on from there. Sorry bud can agree with you whatsoever If you're looking at your controller if you are then it will probably happen again.

[@shadowhunter9713]

Don’t have one but don’t see anything wrong with it. What’s the difference of an inch “full blown ten” versus 9’11” ! Just keep plowing and get used to it. Those hydraulics seem way faster lifting than most

[@JohnnyMow]

My snow way was way quicker then this.

[@elea247]

Prodigy. End of story

[@barrymalan2005]

Joy stick contril

[@martinlaing7920]

I’ve an mvp3 and the exact same wideout as him... tbh I’m trying to see his argument and I’m at a loss. Shit happens, you were distracted using the controls. 5 years of using the same controller and I don’t even think, tap tap tap mane. Just get familiar with the features.he didn’t go over programming either... one tap float, one tap sweep or security authorization. Please read the manual and or go over features with your dealer before dropping a fat stack of cash on stuff you don’t even need. That much we agree on

[@JohnnyMow]

I’ve got the remote down now but the hydraulics are a. Bit slow compared to other plows I’ve owned. I guess I was expecting something that this plow is not. If you are coming from a straight blade then you will be in awe but if you are coming from a scooped wing plow your like yea whatever save the extra 2500

[@martinlaing7920]

@@JohnnyMow right on!, I agree there on the hydraulics speed. All the features come at a cost. Higher hydraulic volume just to move everything around. Have your wings gotten stuck or taken extra time to retract yet? Auto pile pick and choose when it wants to work? Right now I’m diagnosing the blinking light of death and on the edge of ordering new harnesses XD. It’s a nice toy to have and when she doesn’t have my hands dirty my sub contractor doesn’t pretty good with the wideout. I first stated with a boss V blade with I prefer but retired are f550 as my current f350 is running an mvp. I find the back drag on a v blade cleaner then most of the straight blades I’ve used.

[@JohnnyMow]

@@martinlaing7920 the wings in scoop mode picks and chooses which opens first. I have not had any issues with the plow. Everyone here runs the wide out they love it but I came from a snoway 29hd with wings and the hydraulics were speedy. So when the times were about the same I was disappointed. I do like scoop mode tho.

[@masonsmowing6592]

Speed up the scoop and slow down the retract. Very slightly

[@Briandswinford]

The reason I use straight blades with wings and a mounted joystick. 20 + years and it works. Im looking at the prodigy as the best of what is offered on the market that can still be controlled by a simple joystick. These hand held controllers are too complex for me. The reality is i can clear a same size lot against a v plow any day in the same amount of time or even a little faster. I have used western, boss, meyer over the years and i currently run a boss with wings, but i like western more just have a really good boss dealer locally. But i totally agree these new plows have too much going on and its dangerous. I never look down at the controller so 100 % of my time is looking where im going.

[@markrymer2908]

Johnny if you want the wings to expand at the same time you have to deadhead the Rams when retracting. What I mean is when you retract and the wings retract all the way, keep holding retract an additional half second. Then when you hit expand, they both will move out at the same time. Give the plow some time, the controller will become muscle memory.

[@JohnnyMow]

Mark Rymer thanks for the tip I could not figure it out

[@MrGuillermoram1978]

The plow is Worth it all penny I have a western mvp3 in all my trucks Never have a problem I have same controller you just need to paid Attention next time when you are plowing out there and look for your Surrounding.

[@OFFICALWOLVERINE007]

Iv got the western v plow with wings on it I wasn't I love with the v plow before I added the wings I always had a straight blade before and wasn't terrible impressed for a bit and It uses the same controller it took be a few snos falls but i relly grew to love the blade over time and get used to the controls

[@JohnnyMow]

Joshua Feltz 101 I’m sure after a few more storms I will have it down pack.

[@MRPlow-gj4qg]

With all your comments you want to add more buttons. Once you figure out what you’re doing it’s a very easy plow to operate. Been running them for over four years now, huge timesaver versus a straight blade or a v plow I have run them all.

[@angelcampman9346]

Big reason we use boss v with wings ultimate set up,there remote is simple and the plow is dependable just hope toro doesnt change things

[@JohnnyMow]

Angel Camp man good to know I may look into this. I may be selling the wideout

[@liambrooks2330]

Why everybody still loves a joystick control.

[@ricepadi29]

Many new controllers are programmable. You will more than likely be able to program it so that when you hit a button it doesn’t exactly what you want versus how it came set up. Granted this is coming from a guy that could never figure out how to set up a vcr. Good luck out there.

[@JohnnyMow]

Scout's Outdoor Services SOS my snoway was programmable. I’m sure I’ll get used to it just some stuff I noticed while using

[@gtisoiv]

this is very simple....if youre using this plow correctly, then you use 8' for driving from site to site, and the plow is fully out to 10' when in the lot and you only using the individual wing buttons to windrow and scoop....not that complicated

[@JohnnyMow]

Thank you

[@ACMEMowing]

I wish we had enough snow down here in OK to justify me getting one of these! Loved the video anyway. Very informative....haha....so many controls.

[@JohnnyMow]

ACME Mowing and Lawn Care thanks

[@jamesnm21]

Lots of people hate that controller. The complaint even after using it for many hours is that you still have to look at the controller all the time. Guess what happens when you're looking down instead of where you're going? Just what happened to this guy. Imagine trying to use that controller after 10-12-16 hours of plowing. There are much better controllers out there.

[@JohnnyMow]

jamesnm21 people are still giving me grief over this plow. I’m really unimpressed with the controller

[@jamesnm21]

@@JohnnyMow i agree that a straight plow with wings is hard to beat. 4 way joystick you never have to look at and no buttons wearing and tearing your wrist. That controller is not intuitive. You may want to get Western's joystick controller. I think you can just plug it in and you're good to go but your dealer should be able to take care of you on that.

[@jamesnm21]

@@JohnnyMowhere's a link to the Western joystick controller. Works with both wideout and V plows. www.ebay.com/itm/96400-Western-Fleet-Flex-Plow-Joystick-Controller-4-pin/174164397930?epid=1322988928&hash=item288d01cf6a:g:Ve4AAOSwW7heJxqr

[@Spitamenes007]

Started plowing for the first time and was given a wide out . Learned the controls first day ! Love the controls and set up ! So easy according to mr

[@1bad335ii]

Debating between a 9.6 v plow or a wideout xl for my f350 Lmk

[@jamesnm21]

@@1bad335ii one consideration that I learned the hard way. If you get wet snow that freezes before you can get to all your accounts a straight blade becomes pretty useless.

[@jessiehodges1513]

You can’t blame the multi factions of the plow for backing into a vehicle use the accident as a comparison for price point. You are new to the equipment and not familiar or trained fluently. Operator error not the plow itself.

[@JohnnyMow]

Jessie Hodges that’s a great point. I have had it now for three months and the controller flat out stinks

[@chriskleineck2528]

Look at the prodigy then you won't have to worry about the wings in or out. You should wait until you are done backing up before you try to move your wings.

[@JohnnyMow]

Chris Kleineck you are correct. Can’t back drag with that unless you get out and pin the wings back

[@barrymalan2005]

Try the hot stick control mounted on solid surface. I myself cant use the hand control on the straight plow

[@JohnnyMow]

You like that better?

[@richardrasmussen7334]

Just screw the clamp that holds the controller to the dashboard to the right of the gearshift and you never have to hold it and you could touch the button right before you switch from forward to neutral I’ve had it for 10 years it’s awesome that way if I hold it in my hand I can’t do it but when it’s on the dash it’s only two screw holes. It’s always right there you don’t even think about it you could do it with your eyes closed get the bracket screw it on

[@JohnnyMow]

Richard Rasmussen never thought of that.

[@Alex.AL_26]

My next truck will be a F-250 king ranch not only is it nice on the inside but also has all the safety features like 360 degree cameras and backup sensors all around, definitely a worthy investment in my mind.

[@JohnnyMow]

Alex my tailgate spreader blocks my view

[@chachifeere]

I don’t mind it. But when windowing I only use the bottom buttons for the wings on big lots. But I don’t like when going from scoop to straight the wing goes to far on then I have to push it again

[@chachifeere]

I also have a arctic 8ft plow and boss wings. So ten feet total I don’t find my wideout any faster is just nice to have power wings

[@jessejames5604]

That is a lot of buttons lol as a rookie I’m very happy with my simple set up man. It’s straight 2 toggle switches lol . Maybe one day I’ll set up to a better set up but for now it works for me

[@JohnnyMow]

Blackfork Lawn&Snow as soon as you can get wings on it!!👍

[@sicilian8115]

As being a concrete boom pump Operator when I got this plow I felt right at home. For beginners yes might be a little much to get use to. I'd give beginners a wide open space, which isn't always available

[@JsCrazyCutzLLC]

Great video Johnny!

[@JohnnyMow]

J's Crazy Cutz, LLC thank you

[@andrewstratton806]

Not a fan of wideouts. Too many moving parts that can easily break

[@JohnnyMow]

Andrew Stratton it def has its place.

[@jasonobannon1160]

👀Johnny have you had an eye exam lately? 👓 Shit happens🤷‍♂️ #mownation

[@JohnnyMow]

Jason O'Bannon lol yea my eyes were looking at the wrong thing the remote lol

[@johnnight2564]

The plow is a game changer one of the best in the industry. You can't blame the plow for you backing into a car it's gonna take you several snow storms if not a whole season to get used to it . I have eight of these plows on my trucks I always have problems with the hydraulics on two of them ended up being the installer because I brought it to a different guy that I normally go other than that the plow is solid and I have no complaints after six years of years of use

[@rbljackson]

I always appreciate the no BS reviews. You hit a car and take responsibility for it. While at the same time discuss the pros and cons of the controller. I can see how it could happen (loosing focus) fairly easily. Unrelated side note: I upgraded my backpack blower back in October for leaf season. BR800..and love it! thanks for the reviews. As you indicated, I don't think the side start is "a game changer". It does work, but I don't see it as the greatest thing since sliced bread either. Takes a little getting used to for sure.

[@JohnnyMow]

rbljackson the wideout is a great plow for the right application. Br 800 is a good back pack for sure

[@timberlineoutdoorservices2338]

Give it time....before long you'll be Bruce Lee with it(....just tap button to retract)...."you must become like water"....my first like 20 hours were difficult.....what helped me was talking out loud to myself about function while operating....good luck man. You will eventually love it....we've been pulled over and ticketed for over width when running pro wings

[@JohnnyMow]

Timberline outdoor services yes the wings are a issue.

[@JohnnyMow]

Timberline outdoor services awesome I’m trying to give it time. Thanks for the advice

[@upon1gsxr600]

I love my ext. it’s only in and out. The expanding plows are where it’s at in my opinion. I ran our 10ft dxt for years and the ext is so much better. Never hits the ground driving around and goes down to 8ft. Way more efficient when going around corners than the vplow. Pair that with a pull plow and it’s crazy what you can do. I have a few short videos of each if your interested.

[@JohnnyMow]

Heavy Equipment I will def check them out I like the idea. I’m sure I will get used to it.

[@spencerwyckoff5238]

Do you think an 8ft straight blade with wings would be too much on a 2500 truck? Or Should I stick with a 7.5 ft. Thanks Jonny

[@JohnnyMow]

Spencer Wyckoff not at all. 2 things tho 8 ft with wings may be illegal to run in your state and I have found 8 ft with wings does not fit in drivethru macs and windows. Where as the 7.5 with wings fully turned just fits in my situations

[@spencerwyckoff5238]

Johnny Mow that’s a very good point. Appreciate your videos they’ve helped me more than you will probably ever know. Keep it up

[@chachifeere]

I have a 8ft arctic with boss wings so 10 ft. My 02 2500 holds it fine

[@surecutlandscapinginc1900]

I run a snowdog on my 2009 Ford F-250 not bad plow

[@JohnnyMow]

Sure Cut Landscaping Inc I loved mine it plowed very well

[@PCGonline]

I run a boss xt vplow currently but my favorite set up is a 8ft super duty with wings. Its an absolute tank on large lots

[@JohnnyMow]

What 8 plow do u like

[@franciscoramirez5362]

Great video! I been plowing for a long time. I have used multiple brands. My last job was driving my friends truck that had a Blizzard. Really enjoy it! We did all large commercial work. When I decided to buy a plow, I looked for a western only because my truck was already set up with it. Found a Wideout. 🤩 I’m in heaven! Paid $4500 used. Completely agree with the controller if u are not used to it. I actually had a booboo on first use. Now I jam on it. Highly recommend @countrysidevlogs set up. That will be my next set up. TY!

[@JohnnyMow]

Francisco Ramirez man I’m jealous that price is off the chain

[@franciscoramirez5362]

Johnny Mow It needed a cutting edge and a little TLC but 2 years later it’s more than paid for itself. Oh I also added a back blade. Works good. Heard you were going to Hattiesburg next month? Maybe we can chat a bit.

[@chefmatthammerschmidt8408]

I Ron a Boss Power VXT and that was before the trip edge version came out and we loved it.

[@JohnnyMow]

Chef Matt Hammerschmidt I heard boss was really good

[@chefmatthammerschmidt8408]

I miss running that plow. The quirk is that the electrical connections are mounted to the vehicle in a terrible location.

[@jredfilms]

You need the joystick controller

[@JohnnyMow]

Jredfilms and LawnCare your corect

[@surecutlandscapinginc1900]

You think snow dogs are good plow

[@JohnnyMow]

Sure Cut Landscaping Inc yes I think it’s a good setup. I had one for years

[@surecutlandscapinginc1900]

I got to get me so wings

[@JohnnyMow]

Sure Cut Landscaping Inc res snow dog has nice ones too

[@cutandcleanwi6947]

I have used Boss, Western, and Snow Dogg. Boss has become my favorite brand for 3 big reasons. The first reason is the simplicity of mounting and dismounting of the plow. By far the best system. The second reason is the ease of use of their controllers. The final reason may be the biggest of them all and that would be the price and longevity of their cutting edges.

[@mattk9907]

boss and fisher have the main longest cutting edges, western has like a really weak edge. i like fisher over boss cause of staking snow, not saying boss can do good too, i just like the chain more.

[@k-9tiger386]

@@mattk9907 yeah for sure. Fischer is good for stacking snow if you don’t haul snow but for us we haul snow from are lots with skid steers and dump trucks but since we don’t boss suits us very good for scrape cutting edge and we have a lot of islands. So the boss joystick controller fits me well. But fisher is also very good.

[@mattk9907]

@@k-9tiger386 Yeah I’m running a 30-year-old Fisher straight blade and I’ve been stuck in snow with it this year and I got one giant ass pile at a customers place. So I like it don’t get me wrong I would use a boss too.

[@k-9tiger386]

@@mattk9907 yeah if Fischer fixed there controller to the way they said where. If you have the wideout. So let’s say I wanna extend 1 wing. You will need to hold it and the wing will come out and you will have to let go and press the button again to curl it.

[@mattk9907]

@@k-9tiger386 no on the wide out of u hold the on wing bitten it goes all the way out then if u hit it once it comes back to straight blade and hit again goes back to scoop. It a weird idea on that.