BEFORE YOU BUY: Guitar Man: The 67/68 Sessions 5-CD Elvis Presley Set (EAPSS03EWSpecial2)

[@boysiesolem4752]

Excellent update Jamie Thank you TCB⚡️🎶🕺🎸🎵

[@haraldtrittner4396]

Jamie your Review is 100% absolutely MIND BLOWING 😲 20 years ago i had the same Enthusiasm and Ambition with comparsions. Now i'm a "little bit" older(62) but i still like such great and most of all superb reviews from real Elvis Music Experts like you are. THANK YOU so much Jamie, TOP NOTCH👍👌✌️

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you, Harald! I enjoy what we can learn from comparing, but I'm honestly ready for the "final word" releases with these, so I can just enjoy them without having to worry about what's missing and focus on what we can learn from what's there.

[@haraldtrittner4396]

​​@@EAPSociety..."That's My Boy" to say it respectful with the title of a classic Martin & Lewis Movie😁

[@EAPSociety]

@haraldtrittner4396 My boy, my boy! Lol

[@gdepbb]

Nothing should be cut out of a collectors item. That's what makes it collectible.

[@EAPSociety]

Exactly.

[@susans7376]

Very informative. Thank you Jamie. I always learn a lot listening to these shows

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome, Susan! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@thomascivello870]

great technical review of this,..and the Memphis CD set....very knowledgable and informative for the fans...thank you Jamie!

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome, Thomas! Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!

[@ronaldbeetz6800]

Hi Jamie, you hit the nail on the head, if you know what i mean ! It is a german proverb. "Du triffst den Nagel auf den Kopf" ! A wonderful Review ! Thanks a lot !

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you, Ronald! And I do, indeed - we have that saying around here, too! :)

[@gdepbb]

A collectors label should be issuing everything. Not cutting and piecing

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

But then how would they be able to release the second edition or the expanded edition or the new edition or the new version that they're inevitably going to release in a few years?

[@EAPSociety]

@NickyMetropolis1313 LOL - I doubt they'll do a re-issue. The next time these sessions get released, it'll probably be us doing it, by that point. (here's hoping!)😁

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

@@EAPSociety Well you got a lot of fans and more coming I can tell you that!

[@EAPSociety]

@NickyMetropolis1313 Awesome! Thank you, Nicky! With the fans on our side, we can make just about anything happen! 😁

[@Allen-vl7zq]

@@EAPSociety In that case, Jamie, please start pushing for SONY Music/Ernst Jorgensen to produce & release a 30-cd set of Elvis' extended play records, with each disc containing 1 or 2 bonus tracks. The artwork of the set, with a very informative book/booklet, could be awesome if done right.

[@ElvisAZ]

Great Review, Thanks Jamie. love the technical aspect of your review. I have the set my self and have the same perspective you do...

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you so much! Yeah, I'm definitely a technical geek when it comes to these things, lol! And glad to hear it, we need more like us!

[@elaineemoura]

Thanks Jamie ❤❤❤

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome, Elaine!

[@TENNESSEETORNADO]

WOW. in depth study you do. Thank you

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome, Bryan!

[@troymcclure4971]

Has anyone noticed at the beginning and end of US Male take 11 that EP sings some of It's All Over Now from The Rolling Stones?

[@TSOE-JustGoodMusic]

Thanks Jamie! ⚡

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome!

[@gdepbb]

Great video. Thanks for doing the work for us.

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome, Gino! Happy to help!

[@gdepbb]

@@EAPSociety wouldn't it be great to get rid of the old bootleg if these "collectible releases " were conpleter? Lol

[@EAPSociety]

Yes!! That's the dream! And if we get in there to do these, that's exactly how they'll be done!

[@gdepbb]

@@EAPSociety they will never allow true fans like yourself to do it. Not while the mistakes still sell. Lol. You have to do it and then stream it to us lol

[@EAPSociety]

@gdepbb You'd be surprised what can happen, with enough time and determination (and budget, lol)

[@oliverhilscher9332]

Hey Jamie, thanks for the fascinating deep dive. I really love and appreciate this sort of "detective" work you're doing here across the releases. As far as the edits are concerned, I think I agree with your final conclusions. But whatever the real reasons were that lead to this inconsistent approach, I still think the benefits of this release far outweigh the flaws, at least for me. Would I prefer the sessions to be unedited? Yes. But in this case I can live with it. It's partly a sensitive topic as has also been mentioned in some of the comments here. So I'm sort of fine with it. What really drives me crazy are the things they did with the "Making of" releases for Blue Hawaii and especially Jailhouse Rock. Harmless and needless edits, tape speed issues and humming etc, this really gets me going and I'm not so forgiving. I love this set and I'm glad I have it. But you're also right, some things are pointless and fans should generally react and push. Therefore I will support you in this, because the way you and John approach and handle these things is exactly how I would like to see them handled. Keep up the great work!

[@EAPSociety]

Hi, Oliver! You're very welcome! Deep diving into sessions is one of my favorite things, so it's definitely a labor of love - even if I'd rather trust the label than have to go over everything because they've burned us in the past. I do think the good outweighs the bad, but being *very* loud about this and looking for more options is the key to getting these done right. And thank you - we're glad to have every fan on board that we can get! And we have even more great ideas on how to make "final word" releases truly "final word" when it comes to sessions/etc that exist on tape - now we just have to work our way in there and make it happen! 😁

[@Cpayne30]

Thanks for the rundown Jamie. I'll still be passing on this set - it's hard for me to pay $80 for something with these edits. Elvis Sings Guitar Man will have to suffice....

[@EAPSociety]

Yeah, I don't blame you - I think there's more to like than not, but everyone being able to make up their own minds on these is exactly why we decided to do them! 😁

[@marcoesquandolez4737]

Thanks for the breakdown. I’m sure it will still be nice set! I’m getting it

[@EAPSociety]

You're welcome, Marco! Overall, I'm glad I have it, even if I'm not happy with the edits.

[@marcoesquandolez4737]

@@EAPSociety I think you’re spot on with the “tourist” theory because no casual fans buy FTD or even know it exist. Heck it took me a few years to catch on myself. It’d be cool if they did a clean and dirty version like labels used to for rap etc back in the day.

[@EAPSociety]

@marcoesquandolez4737 Yeah - having two versions would be good, imo - but I don't think FTD does enough sales numbers to make that worth doing, sadly. I think certain session sets - specifically this one - just shouldn't be sold in the Graceland shops.

[@DanHanewinkel-hh3vr]

I love that the master takes aren't the extended versions and sound great,the cussing doesn't bother me but Elvis wouldn't have wanted it to get out,like Marty Lacker said,Elvis wouldn't have wanted the outtakes out either,i don't have a problem with them editing out anything that hints at racism in the "sensitive" times we live in today,i admire your attention to detail and how much you care about preserving the history! Thanks for your informed insights!

[@EAPSociety]

Thanks, Dan! Always happy to help! As for the editing, if the label truly had concerns about that, they would have been doing that from the first release in 1999 - but we've even had swearing on public releases at this point, so editing a collectors' release just seems pointless - especially since swearing on this release is edited in some spots but not others (they leave in instances of every curse word they edit out, so it's not like they had a "line," either), so there's not even any consistency at all. I do have the most sympathy for things that could be taken as racially charged, but even then, if they truly have to do it, there are better ways that leave fans with better options to restore them for themselves. I promise you that this next sentence isn't directed at you, but at all of us fandom as a whole, because we've all done it: the fanbase has been conditioned over the years to make excuses for the label (perhaps because it feels like defending Elvis, in a once-removed way), and that's a shame, because the fan base putting pressure is the reason the session releases are in order at all (the Viva Las Vegas sessions are how they'd have done them all otherwise) and that pressure is our greatest power as fans - and I'd love to see us all really use that in powerful ways to move things forward. And if we can help with that, even better! 😁

[@DanHanewinkel-hh3vr]

Well stated!

[@mrelvispresley6977]

I wouldn't mine pay for a complete sessions bootleg, but there is not either, they have access to the tapes. We could combine the official and unofficial releases, I would buy that

[@EAPSociety]

Yeah, that's the major issue; even taking official and unofficial sources, the tapes still wouldn't be complete. So hopefully, in time, we can do these right.

[@FrankieLovesElvis]

I already have this, but still sealed. I just haven’t had the opportunity to dig in yet, but I’ll eventually get there as soon as lI move into my new home. 😊 Thank You Jamie. Just awesome. 👏

[@EAPSociety]

Hey, Frankie! First off, congratulations on your new home, that'sawesome! And you're very welcome! Oh, and I listened to different versions of I'll Never Fall In Love Again and posted my findings over on the Memphis BYB video for you - hope that helps, too!

[@FrankieLovesElvis]

@@EAPSocietyOh, you da man Jamie. Thanks 😊 As far as sonic quality is concerned, what are your thoughts on the “punch” on this set? I would also like to throw out an idea for the channel content, How bout an exclusive episode dedicated to the, “Double Features” soundtrack series from the 1990’s? Would be so much fun!!! 😊

[@adrian-vm7yb]

i love mine great track that is

[@adrian-vm7yb]

i no i just got my copy of this why do they keep doing this thank you very much they never are complete i thought goin home was not

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome! Happy to help - and you're right, "Goin' Home" was far from complete!

[@woodycat7385]

Totally agree.Always believed these sessions should be complete, todays language is far more disturbing, if you can say it like that.😮 Really like this "Before you Buy" episodes. Should leave it the way it was with everything Elvis said. FTD stands for collectors only label,as far as I'm concerned. Great breakdown of all this. So happy and grateful for this channel. Thank you Jamie and John. 👍 ❤

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you so much! We'll definitely be doing more of these, at least of the ones we get! And I 100% agree - if it's on the tape, it should be on the session release!

[@FrankieLovesElvis]

You can’t compare today’s language and culture with 60 summers gone by.

[@woodycat7385]

​@@FrankieLovesElvisyes, you do have a point there. Everything is different now. As is life. Thank you. Just don't think Elvis should be "x rated" for some things being said, if kept in context as part of studio banter. Should be like with some other musicians, paste a hype sticker on that warns , so not to offend anyone.

[@markfrommanchester8204]

Hi Jamie and John I think if ftd are supposed to be releasing full session sets that is what they should do not edit them What do you think will be next to be released as a complete session?

[@EAPSociety]

Hi, Mark! I 100% agree - editing session releases just misses the entire point. As for the next one, that's hard to say; my guess is the June of 1968 sessions, but I'm sure those will be edited, too.

[@jamieelvisfan]

Jamie thanks for the breakdown. I already have the set and have disc 1 out of the way. It ticks me off that when it comes to Elvis things are getting edited. That's the whole idea of releasing "COMPLETE SESSIONS"!!!! Is that they are supposed to be uncut. I'm VERY DIEHARD about Elvis. Guess what bootlegs I don't have to deal with sessions I'll have to find and get with money being so tight. I hope this channel will be able to help with these issues with editing so we can maybe have sessions uncut. Thanks again TCB/ TCE

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome! And we'll do everything we can, that's for sure!

[@BeaverVision]

I wonder if possibly they think some tracks might be more likely to be played on Elvis Radio or something, in which case they might edit that a bit more than a random take they think is too obscure to be played anywhere more publicly.

[@EAPSociety]

That's a good theory, too - but the odd thing is that many tracks that have language edited also have the same words elsewhere in the same track that aren't. So it really just feels random - or maybe there's a bunch they just didn't catch? Very odd!

[@DanHanewinkel-hh3vr]

On another note, Jamie did you see the guy on uoutube The Elvis Workshop channel,he said he talked to Ernst and Matt Ross Spang and they said when they stripped down suspicious minds the timing issue is really on the recordings,i find that hard to believe when digital can screw up so easily!

[@EAPSociety]

LOL! I did not see that! Considering this is the first release with this problem, I highly doubt that; even if it's true, Matt should have been given the corrected copy to work from. Also, the other timing and editing issues on CD 2 leave any claims of "it's on the tape" to be not only suspect, but completely laughable as suggestions, and I sincerely hope both of them didn't actually say that.

[@freddysnip6257]

That's a bloody lie of Ernst and MRS, just compare it to the undubbed master on the 7 inch FTD series of American recordings, and it is perfect! Would seem odd if Reggie Young who was a renowned session guitarist would not play in sync with the band for the mastertake only. It is a digital screw up by MRS. Same for Any Day Now. I mean people can make mistakes, but what is upsetting is that they refuse to admit it was a mistake on their part, so they say it was on the original tape. They always say that!

[@EAPSociety]

@freddysnip6257 Hi, Freddy! Well, I think they're suggesting that the tape channels are off, not that Reggie played off. We do know the 4-track tapes have problems, but any issues like that, assuming Ernst and MRS actually did say this, should have been corrected digitally before being sent for mixing and mastering.

[@freddysnip6257]

​​@@EAPSocietyHi Jamie, I see your point, but why didn't this problem occur on the FTD Memphis 7 inch series, publishing the undubbed master? And I think it would also be apparant on the original overdubbed single release. And after all they screwed up more things in all those years, and we barely get a replacement disc. I can only recall in a few instances.It's very easy to make a mistake with digital files. I can't proof it, but my gut says the original undubbed tape is perfect. And you're right, if it was a mistake they could have easily fixed it before printing the cd's. All it takes is to listen to the files carefully, before approving them.

[@EAPSociety]

@freddysnip6257 Assuming there is a speed issue on the tape (which we don't know for sure), then the the de-sync had to've been fixed on the FTD (and other) releases digitally. Again assuming that's all true, why MRS wasn't given a corrected tape (because why would restoration be his job, I don't think he's that kind of engineer typically) is an outright failure on the part of whoever sent him the multitracks to work from. Alternatively, it could have happened during the mixing session, somehow wasn't caught, and everyone's playing a fun game of "what excuse gives the best butt covering"? 🤣

[@kurtolsen1860]

I`m a little late but heard this one today :) One thing thats always bugs me is when FTD fadeout almost every outtake they release :( Heard that Jamie probably meant that the fadeout are on the original sessions tapes? I must admit that I find it hard to believe and that it is the label that does this during the mixing process? Anyway good show that ive just started enjoying :)

[@odessadean]

I just wish you, Jamie and John could consult with the powers that be to fix these issues so they are corrected and "possibly" replacement discs could be issued. Also citing the Memphis box set with disc 2 sounding terrible. I purchased both of these and will continue to purchase these. Hearing these deficits at the price point they have is really almost unforgivable. Especially with Ernst involved as well.

[@EAPSociety]

Well, we're working on contacting the right people involved to do releases via the EAP Society - progress is slow, but we're hopeful!

[@adrian-vm7yb]

i look at my elvis sessions book i think

[@Barbie9707]

I hate editing ... all of his comments and any sounds should be heard...c'mon it's 2024!!!! Thanks for the great review!!!

[@EAPSociety]

Completely agree, Barbie! And you're very welcome!

[@adrian-vm7yb]

i have not opened mine yet like you

[@EAPSociety]

Actually, I did open mine, I just open it in a way that leaves the shrink-wrap still intact in the front and back. :)

[@sturmgewehr70]

I’ve bought all of the session set CDs, but the censorship drives me crazy!⚡️

[@EAPSociety]

Same! That's why We'd love to find a way to do these, if we can.

[@adrian-vm7yb]

i have them bootlegs too

[@EAPSociety]

Very cool, Adrian!

[@Memphisflash53]

I wish this video was 10 miliseconds shorter ... 😉

[@EAPSociety]

LOL!!

[@Axeman517]

Very disappointed in all those edits. Great video!

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you! And yeah, some of the editing boggles the mind!

[@philipd3931]

Great review Jamie! But yet they leave swearing in the fun in acapulco set lol in the bullfighter was a lady. Which is even worse than "dick stiff." Lol

[@EAPSociety]

I know, right? It's just weird that they do that!

[@Johnmhemp]

Why? Some of these releases have the "F Word" Why pick and choose? Nashville had a lot of it...but American Studios cut most of it....If Felton doesn't get to ask him to do a few more so that they can release a party album....All the charm has gone...I say a BIG "F Word" when they edit it. People know and have mostly heard that Elvis would get rowdy while recording. It's not going to sanitize his reputation.

[@leighdurrant9116]

God dammit, crazy censorship 😮

[@EAPSociety]

Yeah, it's a shame, because the sound quality is really good, imo!

[@jupite1888]

Thats a bit of a dilemma we would love to have everything in the recordings even jokes etc but would Elvis had wanted that? He might say something or swear and some people would think that is how Elvis is always, l think Fans would love everything in the recordings and Elvis would not

[@EAPSociety]

You're not wrong, but if we actually followed Elvis's wishes, FTD wouldn't exist at all. That's why, at this point, I look at these under a more historical lens: having these helps us get a deeper sense of Elvis's artistic process, even in songs he didn't care for.

[@freddysnip6257]

Interesting revieuw Jamie. What I don't get is that FTD is not consistent with editing out rough/X-rated language and profanities. We have the X-rated version of Stranger in my own home town on the FTD TTWII rehearsal set, We have the MF word in Mojo working on FTD. Come on FTD this is a collectors label with just around 5.000-10.000 copies max worldwide. We are adults , I mean how many people are going to hear this? The biggest problem in this world are the so-called sensitive people who get offended by anything these days. Put a warning sticker on it with "not for the faint-hearted" But I think the sessions should be released unedited, except for "dead tape" if it's running too long. FTD is walking in mysterious ways with editing out rough language, and sometimes just leaves it in. But hey! I have the bootleg recording of Wings of an Angel unedited. Nowadays the bad language on new releases by artists do contain much more bad language in the lyrics than Elvis did in between the takes. I don't see the problem with releases like Guitar man. I recall the Life Story Elvis did on the '69 Sony boxset! Talking about X-rated, nobody took offence when that one came out!

[@EAPSociety]

Thanks, Freddy! Yeah, the inconsistency in approach from the label is rather baffling, to say the least. If it were me, I'd just have some releases not be as widely available; sell only via the fan clubs, and call it a night. Estimates have put these session releases at about 2500-3000 copies, and if some are limited to 1500, so be it. I'm not sure if it's people being sensitive so much as it being pre-emptively edited, but another option for folks would be nice.

[@freddysnip6257]

​@@EAPSociety Hi Jamie, maybe you're right about edited pre-emptively. Anyways I'm thinking about buying this set and add it to my collection. I'm still not sure about the Elvis Memphis set from Sony yet. One downside with these sessions sets are too many outtakes in order of the same song. Especially when it is a song like going home. About Wings of an Angel? You either put it complete on a set like this, or do not include it at all! And it's on bootleg and all over You tube as well. So what are they're trying to hide? 😂

[@EAPSociety]

@freddysnip6257 Yeah, the pre-emptive editing is just a hunch on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me. On the songs all being in order, I'd say rip the CDs, put the audio on an ipod or phone, and just hit shuffle; or if you have a CD player with shuffle, that almost works, too. I actually enjoy long sessions with the takes in order, just because you can really pick up on how Elvis and the band shift focus and feel to get to the master. It's interesting on hits songs for obvious reasons, but I think it shows just as much when it's a lesser song: you get even more of a sense of their mental throughline that way. 😁 As for what they're trying to hide or what they're thinking.. other that what I guessed at in the video, I have no idea! 🤣

[@freddysnip6257]

​@@EAPSociety😂

[@freddysnip6257]

​@@EAPSocietyI'm old skool, I never rip cd's for listening. Soufflé function might be a good idea tho.

[@SpiritOf1976]

Pass.

[@nickmele9968]

It’s all BS. Just enjoy 7:07 7:11 the Darn thing. I Did. 6:41 6:58

[@EAPSociety]

If they'd lay off the edit button, I'd be happy to just enjoy it - I'd much prefer to be able to do that! :)

[@robbiedetroitstigermanviny8883]

I think if they can't get it right. Stop releasing new Elvis reissues. Everything has been released already. Nobody is ever satisfied anyways.

[@EAPSociety]

Hi, Robbie! Oh, I'd say we're a long ways from having everything - the edits just make that even harder. I think that, if the sessions sets were complete, most fans would be happy. I know I would be - even if I have ideas on how to do sessions sets in a whole different way!

[@-dave3577]

I wish I could censor Jorgensen.

[@EAPSociety]

If we can just edit out the edit button, that'd be great! lol