Beginner and Advanced Shield Options! (Smash Wii U/3DS)

[@mysmashcorner]

Nice video man!

[@Kenny2100vn]

Smash corner proved

[@DmodGmodLetsPlays]

+My Smash Corner If he says it's a good tutorial video, then it's a masterpiece!

[@IWish2500]

If you could do more of these tips/guide videos, that would be amazing! I'm just a filthy casual who's relatively competitive.

[@TheSeventhSenseYOE]

Does the shield drop lag animation still occur if a move was blocked by a power shield? Or..? 😞

[@AceStarThe3rd]

+xLr8 The7ThSense Nope!

[@voltekka47]

+AceStarThe3rd It does if you don't press anything after a power shield... I think.

[@Vulcapyro]

+xLr8 The7ThSense +AceStarThe3rd If you powershield and let go of shield before your shieldstun frames are over (i.e. before the normal shield period), you can cancel the shield drop frames by using a jump, attack, or special. Otherwise you'll still need to shield drop. For example, Ace did it with each time with Mario when parrying MK with dsmash, but when powershielding ZSS' fair he had to shield drop each time. If you can't see it very well, slow down the video to x0.25.

[@pearlywhites3025]

It doesn't. I remember really specifically that my friend fired off like 12-15 lasers as fox and I powershielded every single one individually and he dropped his remote and left lol

[@nyaxellemonte4230]

Omg! I've been playing for 11 months without knowing I could do this. You have no idea how many times I could have used this technique. I feel genuinely stupid for dropping my shield every time I punish laggy moves that are right in front of me. Thanks for this video. I'm an idiot. XD

[@Paul_Vidal]

Thanks for this video Ace! I feel like it somehow came out at just the right time for me; I've reached a point with my main where I feel like I'm at least improving orattempting to implement almost every fundamental and basic advance tech into my every-day gameplay, yet the one single area where I seem to struggle endlessly has been power-shielding and OOS options. I don't know why, but they just feel extra hard to implement on a regular basis to me -- even compared to other things like pivot grabs, b-reverse/wavebouncing, or even things like jump-cancel-glide-tossing or RAR/jump-canceled-reverse-up-smashing, which are very similar to the main OOS options... those have all become pretty easy to me, yet OOS shit still elude me... But after your extremely simplified and direct advice in this video, I feel reinvigorated and determined to get these fundamentals down. Thank you once more for the knowledge and boost of encouragement, much appreciated.

[@gramplegust5115]

I needed this video in my life. I've always been so inconsistent with some characters. Now I can Konkey Dong Shlong out of shield much easier. Thanks fam!

[@bens.1475]

I love you. Be my senpai like Ace.

[@gramplegust5115]

Benjamin Shaw Sure.

[@huk6249]

+Benjamin Shaw Grample Gust is my senpai, get out of here >:(

[@gramplegust5115]

Ladies, please. Theres plenty of chins to go around. ;)

[@bens.1475]

Huk6 FITE ME FOR MY SENPAI HIS CHINS ARE MINE

[@sirsumbrero]

I’m having an issue on smash bros 3ds, and i have an issue with my shield, it wont stop shielding, i even tried to change the shield to “x” just to see if my buttons are jammed, but it still did the same thing! If you know how to fix it, please tell me!!

[@JCL-di4pq]

For so long I've read about OOS options, and just now someone explains it so that I fully understand. Thanks Ace!

[@pistonpkm]

Very informative, thanks for sharing! I very recently became aware of jump cancel up smash out of shield because this technique is required to perform an aura sphere charge cancel into up smash as Lucario.

[@hav0k209]

Thanks for this! I always heard of stuff like "____ out of shield," but I never knew a lot of the techniques were jump-cancelled until today!

[@TheLazyEyebrow]

is the c stick an option to pull the Smash attacks off?

[@gonderage]

Note that these can correlate with the option selects across the smash techs

[@gonderage]

A Sh since there's more should stub, this is definitely gonna alert some techs and from hope they will work now

[@ricect1]

Dear Ace: more videos like this! You're really good at explaining general techniques!

[@roryrainbow77]

So it's literally the same thing as what I do with toon links bombs. Cool to have jump cancelling explained in a greater detail! This video was very helpful good stuff ace!

[@guitarheroziplock]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSS FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 MUSIC. SLAY ACE. anyway great and super informative video! I really appreciate you included tap jump also. I'd love to see more of these!

[@locktock9]

5:58 why dont you have percentages displayed at all? how did you do this?

[@jefflee67]

Can you use C-stick and do other smash attacks?

[@AdvancedLogic]

6:03 If only I could, Rosalina... if only I could...

[@HaydenDom]

[Advanced Logic] agreed

[@Aflay1]

How'd Mario do a down smash out of shield?

[@junietwoknees]

Can the control stick be used instead for the jump cancel smashes, and is this how the Mario was able to d-smash out of shield? thanks.

[@LoopingPhoenix]

@AceStarThe3rd How was Mario able to d-smash out of shield?

[@junietwoknees]

777grassman I assume it was jump with x then a quick downward flick of c-stick, but i cant test it right now.

[@e77gma]

+Mijquaza He got a perfect shield while getting hit so he was able to pull of a down smash on the quickest frame

[@junietwoknees]

Mr. SaturnX on the fist one he didnt. he got a perfect shield in most of them though.

[@CanadianBaconPwnage]

+Mijquaza The first couple of times Mario D-smashed, he was in shield stun and had already let go of shield, letting do Down smash. However, if you noticed, there was still some shield drop lag. You can't Down smash out of shield otherwise, as it ends up coming out as a d-air since you can't cancel jump with a down smash. However, the power shields Mario does later have no shield drop lag, thus allow Mario to drop shield instantly and punish with a down smash.

[@TriOdy]

I think we should be able to move the shield with the C-Stick or the d-pad cus its difficult and feels sorta impratical almost in a fast paced battle. Just my thoughts.

[@elec8101]

When you show Pit and Dark Pit, which one is doing the Out of Shield Smash correctly?

[@jfeldmann894]

ace I'm having trouble punishing when I hold shield and get to F smash or something like that. basically pretty much whenever I do that I'll end up rolling and messing up the punish.

[@braviary7212]

Very helpful I always thought upsmashing out of shield meant actually inputting after letting go of my shield which would explain why it was so hard to try with Ike... wow

[@Kamodomon]

This explains SO MUCH. I always felt like people are acting out of shield faster than I thought was possible. I am such an idiot. Well, time to practice and improve my play just a smidge.

[@quinn7427]

Can someone please help me to know when to shield? When i fight an opponent they constantly punish when i pressure their shield and grab me like frame 1 of ny shield. Even if they hit the shield, they apparently don't get slowed at all and i can never punish

[@J00SH]

Honestly one of your best made videos.

[@eMercody]

What would work best for DeDeDe as an out of shield

[@iMangoVerde]

Thanks for the video, it's really nice from you guys that know more about this to teach other people :) Greetings from Costa Rica

[@EmperorZoom]

Omg, what's the song at 4:27? I cant find it

[@deathegg9474]

Can you show when are the right times to use smash out of shield?

[@captaingigglez1605]

I learned up smash out of shield from an earlier video, up b out of shield is still tricky for me tho. The distance between my Y-X and B is to big. Next to that the clip from 06:05.. u downsmashed with mario out of shield? how the hell do u do that

[@captaingigglez1605]

aha ty, unfortunately my C-stick is set on tilts

[@oliverremnant2310]

Can you jump cancel up smash using the c stick

[@xXEniteXx]

Yo bless your soul for this man. Thanks! I've always been wondering how to do this. Thought I had to use the c-stick, lol. Also very nice job on implementing the controller animation in the video for demonstration. Nice touch.

[@khoifish4139]

Can you use the c-stick while holding shield?

[@alexandreabdalla9651]

About the shield + Tap-UP: You can do it a lot more easily by simply using the TAP short-cut, like C-UP (in GC controller).

[@elijahwilkins9615]

Can u also use the C-stick for up smash out of shield?

[@monkey_on_call3028]

You can jump cancel out of sprint as well.

[@popular_dollars]

How do you remove the damage % like in the video?

[@AJF_]

Can you f-smash or d-smash out of shield? I've tried constantly and I keep just rolling and spot dodging.

[@RobertSmith-yp2ih]

Can you still up smash out of shield if you use the c stick instead?

[@averageboiii]

If you don't use tap jump can you jump cancel into side or down smashes?

[@kenii28]

i hate the extra shield stun though. like i'm still used to inputting right after the attack. but when i do that now i get like the second half of the inputs only -.-

[@alex217c]

is this the same thing as moving C stick up while in shield?

[@Hunter-ew2ve]

Before everyone complains that tap jump is bad, *hear me out*. Like Ace said, Up Smash out of shield and Up B out of shield are easier to perform with tap jump on. Also, you can input an aerial during your jump squat frames by jumping with the left stick and quickly moving the c-stick. (This technique is called "Double Sticking" and *BengalsRZ* has a KZbin video on it, so check it out!) Let's say you have tap jump off. Then you presumably use X or Y to jump which means you probably use A and hold a direction on the left stick to use aerials. In this situation whenever you want to Forward Air, you have to hold forward on the left stick. There is no way to use a fair while moving backwards in the air. Therefore, tap jump allows you to have your right thumb on the c-stick so you can jump with the left stick and control your momentum in any direction while using any aerial. Now the big argument here is "Oh tap jump sucks because I can't Up tilt easily." 1.) You can get used to it. 2.) You can use the c-stick for Up tilts. If you have a really fast Up tilt (I'm looking at you, Mario), then c-sticking might not work very well since you have to revert the c-stick to neutral before consecutive up tilts (as far as I know). So tap jump isn't bad, and in some cases is better than other jumping methods. Just use the method you prefer. Some people use L or Z to jump, so try that out too.

[@YightLagami]

People who played Melee never had tap jump

[@Hunter-ew2ve]

+AndrewOshawott Yeah I agree. Also, most characters with more than 1 jump in the air are hard to use with tap jump.

[@Hunter-ew2ve]

+AndrewOshawott Oh cool, I didn't know this.

[@ArcanistJimmy]

+l yagami ummm, yes they did?

[@sdlonghorns11]

+AndrewOshawott ZeRo and Nairo both use tap jump so yea

[@AngelsandWolves1]

Ace, thanks for uploading this, helps with defensive game a lot!

[@thesaucypickle9866]

Does this apply to brawl/melee or is it exclusively Smash 4

[@RetroCandyArt]

how did u turn off percentages?

[@donteros]

Whenever I hold my shield and try to dodge either if it's rolling or not I still take a full hit as if I never dodge or used a shield. Is there frames between the actions of holding your shield and dodging/rolling? Because I do not let go of the shield but can't dodge. Just take the hit straight out 7/10 times.

[@thefrozenone8401]

i hate tapjump i have it off caan istill jump out ofshield and quick drop moves

[@locustskater]

I still don't know how to add text to taunts?

[@UberTurtle12]

You didn't mention shield dropping through platforms, good guide though

[@ArcanistJimmy]

+Atomic I thought was a melee/PM tech

[@blue5400]

+LlamasSSB it's in smash 4 too

[@ArcanistJimmy]

TheBlueMenace my b, my b

[@alexdelgado395]

Hella fustrating too

[@beta511ee4]

ZeRo has a video for that. Just use the search toolbar.

[@NumberIess]

How do you do 6:03 ?!??

[@thomasdotson8978]

+AceStarThe3rd Is it possible to execute an Utilt OoS

[@Excession]

Is it possible to up tilt out of shield? Like for example with Mewtwo, his up-B is almost useless for this and his up-smash is very punishable, but his up-tilt is fast and a combo starter.

[@eonamiella2124]

So a jump canceled usmash is the same as a usmash oos?

[@KaotikBlueShell]

Why should I show this to my friends? I don't want them using this against me. I wanna be the very best! XD Nice Video Ace,I loved it! 👍

[@shotsfired909]

this will help alot but how did you do down smash oos with the part with bowser and doc and mario and metaknight

[@jacobgonzalez7141]

Can you do any smash attack out of shield or is it just up smash

[@Ninjanugets123]

can you do other smash moves out of jumpsquat?

[@fatelesshand5269]

hey guys is it better to use the c stick

[@sayernile5665]

What are the best controls to have set on the Wii U remote that's similar to an Xbox controller?

[@sarafarrero6690]

Sayer Nile The pro controller? I recommend ( I use the pro controller) set ZL to shield and right stick to attack.

[@danieladeyoju1584]

Is that intro background music from Steven Universe? I swear I heard something like it in the episode 'Alone Together'.

[@nlabaza2577]

When you are holding shield, can't you just use up b or up smash and it will work, just like out of a dash in smash 4? that's what I do and it works great, so whats the difference between the jump cancel and what I do?

[@ghandig8771]

The jump cancel prevents shield drop lag so it comes out faster. Check 4:15 to see

[@user-ro7op6rn5t]

Quick question, in regards to up b out of shield. What I normally do is that I just press up b directly while holding the shield, (without the jump squat) so is it any slower than with the jump cancel? (Ps: I do have tap jump on, just not sure if I might be accidentally jump-cancelling it or not)

[@thatasiankid5846]

Does true shoryuken out of shield work just like up b out of shield? Or is it even harder?

[@ethanb6568]

I don't know if you have already done one but could you do a guide on wii fit?

[@yanicktodman6771]

thats doing an up smash what i want to know is doing an up tilte without jumping or doing an up smash

[@galx9655]

What's kind of controller is that

[@hellol1115]

I think you should have done the up smash out of shield example with little mac, because that's a thing that mac mains need to know, especially because of the extra damage, knockback, and hitlag that comes with hitting the first frame of the upsmash.

[@asdasddas100]

You guys always make the good guides AFTER I learn the techniques. >.< Good stuff tho Ace.

[@Tsunstone]

This is a great guide for those who haven't learned the technique yet. I learned from the undefeatables

[@austingibson9520]

Is this all doable with the c stick?

[@insanityle1374]

Immediately liked and subbed once I heard the opening

[@dyla3814]

what's the intro music?

[@ECBrandon]

Will this also work on the 3DS version?

[@cornyballzy8056]

why wouldn't i just shield drop then up b it works better for characters like mario

[@patrickharris1340]

Because it takes longer and may not connect. 5:17 for example, shows that if peach doesn't use the up smash out of shield tech then it won't hit sonic.

[@AdeptusForge]

Can you do an up-tilt out of shield?

[@pkpowers3107]

With tilt stick on

[@jkchannellgkwafk674]

The update buffs n debuffs now i cant really do much i die to easy and as i try to do this it helps less for my time im either just not doing these techniques correctly or i jusy suck either way thanks ace but ill be taking a break on smash for a while....again...

[@SunStoffie]

Does this work for Wii Fit Trainer's Up smash as well, considering it has some pitiful horizontal range. Or is it just vertical range that matters?

[@Nova1Duke]

Very well done video! Definitely your best work!

[@jamiehyland548]

Thats so useful thanks!!! its good to see someone pay attention to tap jump :)

[@seker1oglan]

I can do the up-smash and up-b. But i don't get the d-smash like mario in the video. Is a f-smash possible? And how do you dash out of shield as mentioned in the description? I have tap-jump off. pls help xD

[@jesynelsonsjamaicanaccent3531]

i keep rolling by accident is there a way to stop it or just practice

[@sdlonghorns11]

+Hayden Stewart recognize whenever you are rolling and tell yourself that you have better options. Only roll if it seems like it's 100% safe or if it's your best option in any situation.

[@jesynelsonsjamaicanaccent3531]

BIRLA BEAR yeah i guess i just panic and spot dodge a bunch of times and roll and freak out lol

[@Alphafire00]

+AceStarThe3rd I did it right on the first time and I never jump and uair and btw thank you for helping the smash community by telling us how to do this tech :D

[@FatLion]

what is the song on this intro.

[@Saki_Yoshida1]

dumb question but, can u only up smash out of shield? or are u able to do any smash attack.

[@iiViridis]

what are those chat bubbles? how do they work?

[@zetaman8924]

On online play with friends

[@alexandertorres9756]

So by your guide, if I were to change my c stick to tilts, I should be able to jump cancel into a tilt out of shield?

[@scalchopwarrior3298]

+Alexander Torres Yep

[@hueycotton]

+Alexander Torres No, in melee you could and maybe even brawl, but there are no utilts out of shield in this game.

[@UmbraStarWolf]

I've been wondering what were the controls for it thx a lot Ace

[@buntin8050]

ace how did you do the down smash out of shield? do u jump then hold down and A?

[@BlueSunStudios1]

+Andrew Beckford I think he just drops his shield and performs a down smash as fast as he can, or he uses the c-stick to cancel his jump into a grounded smash attack. Considering how fast and/or how safe some down smashes are...

[@buntin8050]

+BlueSunStudios1 thank you very much!!! I was so focused on the A button the c-stick slipped my mind.

[@ValkenEX]

Can I cancel my shield with a jump and ANY attack, or only Up Smash?

[@musicallyinclinedpeaches44]

Just USmash or UpB c:

[@RichiRich1993]

+musicallyinclinedpeaches But in the video, they often used downSmash, like Mario vs. MetaKnight around 06:05 ?

[@TurbinationE]

+RichiRich1993 He either powershielding or he let go of the shield then Down Smashed. You cannot Down Smash from jumpsquat.

[@jillianmonks5030]

In the clips at the end, it looked like you were down smashing out of shield, which I thought was impossible. Were you just shield-dropping to down smash?

[@princekingkingprince]

wait ace...can you cover how to get out of shield pressure from moves like yoshis d-air plz;(

[@speedbraker211]

Ace I have a question, can you perfect pivot out of shield?

[@Dato.Richard]

+Speedbraker211 Perfect pivot is initiated by a dash, and since it's impossible to dash out of shield without having the shield drop lag, then no.

[@speedbraker211]

+Dato well thanks.

[@zeikmurdock8418]

he forgot to show the shield projectile reflect i know its in the game because i accidently did it once then i got called a hacker but anyway i think you do it by activating your shield and as your activating it tilt the shield toward the projectile this technique is very hard to time and pull off so if you can do it congrats

[@djdrizzy9139]

This information is just great! Now I also have to watch out for others using this technique.

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[@davidcarrasco8482]

This is a really well made video :) great job!!

[@shamirstan9706]

Ace is so professional in this vid