Lagless Ledge Get-up! (Smash Wii U/3DS)

[@Javiilin]

Well then, time to add this to the list of techs I'll never do in a real match.

[@CrushedParagon]

+Javier Aguero Along with everything else on this channel. The life of us noobs.

[@Javiilin]

+The Shadow Triad well this and perfect pivoting (I can do pivot grabs though) are the only things I can't do in a real match.

[@advveo]

+Javier Aguero perfect pivoting is not as hard as people make it. it just takes a bit of drilling to get it into your muscle memory, and once you've got it down it's a great tool. especially if you're a fox main, since fox's perfect pivot is amazing.

[@scottroth26]

I could actually do it in a real match tho if u get good at it

[@CrushedParagon]

I simply don't put enough time into smash to pull most of this stuff off. At least not consistently.

[@commentguy330]

I love watching things ill never be able to do :)

[@queenofbel4270]

Indeed.

[@n-aera]

COME ON! TRY HARDER

[@Mario4576]

+Comment Guy with sufficient practice, you'll be able to do it

[@MoonGhostDoodles]

JUST DO IT!

[@TheSuperCommentGuy]

+Comment Guy Nice name

[@natluskarlsefni6646]

[0:18] "Here's my tutorial on probably the *hardest technique* in Smash 4" * Closing the tab *

[@Tsunazoz]

haha

[@raingir988]

+L u f f y as if a perfect pivot and wave bouncing wasnt hard enough

[@adamspeiser6449]

? That is easy in my book because the movements are not as fast. Now this one is amazingly hard. But it almost reminds me of wavedashing onto a ledge.

[@salj.5459]

Adam Speiser Ledgedashing

[@David-ql8cn]

you did this accidentally... on 3ds ARE YOU EVEN HUMAN

[@Jcend]

David Have you successfully done it on 3ds before?

[@David-ql8cn]

i haven't even done it on wii u

[@DillonSmith0527]

David He said he *accidentally* did it.

[@CFLTekken]

I did it my first few tries on 3DS with Corrin using counter, it’s easy.

[@InfernoOmni]

Well. This changes a lot.

[@blue5400]

this is game changing.

[@andrewsigurdson3457]

Inb4 patch

[@MyKeal]

+Andrew Sigurdson I know its just a joke but I dont think they could patch this if they wanted to

[@tyebuford9869]

+legendaryfireboi they can't really it's all natural it's not clipping or anything

[@Bleedingme1000]

+Zdippit fuck outa here

[@Oretal]

I wish the 3ds players a lot of luck when preforming this, I hope you don't break your circle stick.

[@Oretal]

+Alex Moo i get scared when fox trotting because i'm afraid I might break off the stick.

[@bretw6576]

+Alex Moo Wait, that happens to everyone? I thought it was just my muscle memory being shit. Well that's good to know lmao

[@DefyingZero]

+Alex Moo I actually like using the 3ds as my controller and I also like playing Smash 3ds. Interesting fact: Ryu and Mac benefits in the controls of the 3DS. Ryu's inputs are much easier to do here and foxtrotting with little Mac isn't that difficult with him. There are other easy tech that are simple to do in the 3DS that can guarantee a worth. If you have a new 3DS, then that would pretty much solves some of the teching problem.

[@DefyingZero]

+Adalberto Ortega Hey dude, don't get a afraid. Your stick wouldn't break. If it does, use super glue, it works. I had a friend who use a foxtrotting in the 3DS a lot that some time later it snapped off, he used super glue and yet the performance of doing foxtrotting has increased, lol.

[@Oretal]

+WITCH NEKO well I'm not to intense on my 3ds when playing against my friends, I'm gentle with it, just the rubber part fell off. Oh well, I'm used to it now.

[@AkaneSasuSora]

Oh yeah, I remember seeing StylesX2 do this with KO punch!

[@LifeandVarietyArts]

He does it a lot actually.

[@Laitomenow]

+Akane Sasu Sora Actually Styles uses a variation on the other counter tech mentioned later in the video, just replace the counter with a K.O. punch.

[@ajbksfinest]

That's something different.

[@heypinecone]

Sol does it by pressing jump and timing KO punch on the first frame airborn. He invented it and named it the Gazelle Punch.

[@Laitomenow]

+Greenlatios369 Correct! Although Sol didn't invent it, a friend of his did. Sol just made it well known.

[@codenamezq8027]

Holy cow a technique that Sheik can't use!

[@RialSRLS]

+Codename ZQ I'm working on it

[@connorrose5698]

+Codename ZQ I'm gonna go try Sheik right now.

[@EmeraldLeaf84]

+Codename ZQ I tried it out, it doesn't seem like she is able to do it. Or her timing is just more strict

[@connorrose5698]

I've concluded it's impossible due to her hurtbox shrinking too much for her feet to touch the ground.

[@RialSRLS]

+Codename ZQ I did it! but with a different method, I will post the vid in my channel

[@OnlyCommentPoster]

Robin can do it too. I have a video but dunno where to send it to :/

[@mysmashcorner]

+OnlyCommentPoster Upload it, or tweet me.

[@OnlyCommentPoster]

My Smash Corner Tried to tweet it but it doesnt work for some reason. haha. I will upload it in a few minutes

[@fatboywonder4669]

+OnlyCommentPoster PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE

[@OnlyCommentPoster]

Ryan R. Just watch my vid lol

[@OnlyCommentPoster]

+David Campbell freaking watch the first 10 seconds of the video

[@tropicson]

welcome to breaking the meta with MSC

[@Lakitu1134]

1:56 Shat myself when I saw the Ice Climbers and Ivy Then I realized it was Brawl

[@Nain9]

+Lakitu1134 Lol i cri

[@jessedobson1009]

Sakurai wanted this to be a family game at one time. Then everything changed when ZeRo and competitive players attacked.

[@OsojiNosferatu69]

+Jesse Dobson It can be a family game though...

[@OsojiNosferatu69]

I got it too xD

[@EnchantedTaco]

your my brother.

[@jessedobson1009]

+Git Gud You're*

[@OsojiNosferatu69]

Git Gud *dong

[@ToluDude]

I love how this tech works for alot of low tiers and no top tiers except Cpt Falcon. Also it works for 4 competitive stages.

[@CoppaITG]

if you check the description, it works for ZSS

[@emantv6343]

+ToluDude >People that thinks C Falcon is top tier.

[@connorrose5698]

+Vinson Games He is.

[@connorrose5698]

+Vinson Games also >greentexting on youtube >doing it wrong

[@emantv6343]

Connor Rose No he's not. He's high tier. Get it right.

[@Dreamconfedi]

Let's ponder for a minute, okay? This man may as well have forever changed the game as we know it. Who else was supposed to find these? His words and knowledge have probably warped tournaments and even patches to this day! He is a key ingredient to the game. Without him, things would probably come out of hand.

[@CaptainFalchion]

Absolutely incredible stuff, MSC. It's amazing how you discover these techs and how much work you put into these videos. Thanks

[@iamspikefire]

This technique has been so useful to me, and drilled so hard into my memory that often times i'd just be recovering to the stage and be relatively close with my double jump right where i'd need to for the lagless ledge getup and just land on stage with no lag into a tilt or smash and sometimes grab. Thank you, Smash Corner. I would truly be more tr4sh at sm4sh if it weren't for you.

[@ajbksfinest]

Why is that I can do this (Not consistently) but not wavebounce?

[@Nain9]

+Aj Irving Have you tried the switching the c stick to special method? Or are you refering to neutral specials?

[@QuixoteJay]

+Aj Irving what gives you the most trouble with wavebouncing.

[@ajbksfinest]

I have my C stick mapped to smash attacks so can do pivot smash attacks.

[@MSjbzone3]

I remember back on 3ds were I did this same thing and just walked back on the stage and kinda freaked out and thought I waved dash. Thanks for the video and for clarifying what I've been wondering for so long.

[@devin7736]

We got ourselves our own wavedash on to thestage boys

[@devin7736]

Yeah that's what it was called and I just wish it had the invincibility like Melee

[@koxsuper5]

+GreenChicken Waveland

[@farleydbear]

+GreenChicken OMG STOP BREAKING TEH GAME !1!111!! SAKURAI DADDY HEEEELP, REMOVE THE TECH!!!11

[@kurslash]

ledgedash = chance of SDing even at top level of play.

[@Bugbearbabe]

Once again, you've shown us something great. I really appreciate and respect the time and devotion you put into making these videos, each new one gets me excited when it pops up on my subscription feed.

[@MotionlessPotato]

who was the last character you could do it with in the list? (bottom right)

[@mysmashcorner]

+MotionlessPotato Mii gunner

[@Charizard314159]

+My Smash Corner Have you got it to work with sheik recently?

[@wolf_meat_burger]

Mii gunner

[@crimson-foxtwitch2581]

+My Smash Corner Does this work on omega stages?

[@goryn9660]

+MotionlessPotato Simon Belmont

[@martinlessmann9672]

I'm really happy you've started uploading more consistently

[@justaddsugar7456]

This would give you an (l)edge in battle!

[@Nendonintendo]

It's amazing how you keep finding new useful techs. Please keep on doing what you're doing, I really improved my game because of you :)

[@juanm128]

I think this technique is also possible in smash ultimate! I think i did something similar with cloud, somehow i landed with a forward tilt on the stage. Practically identical to what you show at the beginning of the video, but with cloud on ultimate

[@soniamendoza4672]

Man, I'm not an enthusiastic gamer or anything, but your voice like butter made me stay the entire video. That aside, good content. Pro content. You know content is good when it grabs your attention even if it's for something you don't care much about.

[@bigtoucan117]

Holy fuck DK can do it, going to the lab, brb

[@hiddencorner]

Just came across this video in my old browser history from 7 years ago

[@hiddencorner]

@Mew2Win recebtly i am listening to a lot of music of games i played when i was 10-15 and it helps me feel things i havent felt in a while

[@MykeySprite]

Could all these characters do this on every stage that you listed?

[@MVKVNI]

+Okatsu_ AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@Areitsu]

+CapsLockFury SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

[@Nain9]

+AreitsuArts FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[@Biggggg5]

I Really appreciate you incorparating the mii gunner into this video! the gunner is my main and it doesn't get a lot of love in these kind of videos so you rock for including it.

[@SiggyTundra]

10/10 more recovery options than melee

[@adamspeiser6449]

No way. You can do the same exact things when you wavedash; except you get invincibility if you do it fast enough in melee. In melee as well, it is a bit faster and you can make an easy reversal with a grab or a lot of character back airs. It is probably a bit easier though.

[@KidArez]

Done this in melee in combination with wave dashing. Awesome that you put it up for Smash 4. A lot of people have given up on using these kind of tricks ever since Brawl came forth.

[@Blubberoxford]

And here I am still trying to learn how to ledge trump...

[@drkingboo2238]

You have the nicest voice in the world I swear! I love the all these tutorial/tip videos that you make so keep up the hard work! :D

[@gmincheetah3246]

Smash corner I have a trick about super smash bros. Wii u/3DS where can i tell you about it?

[@gmincheetah3246]

Btw I wait for an answer, this is really good and important and good for fighting meteor smashes mid-match

[@mysmashcorner]

+Gmincheetah 324 Tweet me.

[@gmincheetah3246]

+My Smash Corner Ok, be right there

[@gmincheetah3246]

Hold on a sec I'm having trouble with twitter and Internet

[@gmincheetah3246]

+Gmincheetah 324 Screw it. I'll just tell you it right here. You ok with that? Or no? Because I seriously chose the worst day to tell you this

[@NickaoGaming]

Thank you for all these videos that you make! Because of you i always get to stay on top of my friends when we play smash!

[@JesusTorres-go6uf]

I hope this works for toon link

[@HatsuneLuka]

You mean Toon Lonk.

[@Zaniel39]

+jesus torres im workin on it dw

[@JesusTorres-go6uf]

Zan thx :)

[@derlilisimbaner6559]

And for villager!

[@Orbrun]

+jesus torres You mean villager.

[@LordSessh1412]

Thank you for working hard and discovering new tech! Very much appreciated! Now subscribing (Don't know why I haven't yet).

[@noqpiki2]

waiting for that prayforparis comment........

[@omarramoo6272]

+NoQpiki I think most people don't want to bring that bullshit here.

[@jacobs7360]

+omar ramoo how is it bullshit? i agree it shouldnt really be here but bullshit? cmon man

[@omarramoo6272]

It is when it's here. Some people play games to get a break from horrid things in reality.

[@meltenvy]

Congrats, you're the one who made the comment, smartass.

[@skyguysZ]

+omar ramoo That's exactly what I do...

[@7cross288]

Since you can Grab out of the Lagless Ledge Get-up this looks very good for Ness as a back throw near the ledge can kill very early. This can also be a reliable set-up for edge canceled attacks like Mac's rapid jab to Up B

[@jut3ls985]

My main is Ness. RIP

[@EmeraldLeaf84]

+Jut3ls Ness might work. I tested it with Lucas, and he worked

[@SparkleBruh]

+Jut3ls yeah cause ness TOTALLY needs to be better

[@EmeraldLeaf84]

***** I feel like Ness is heavily overrated sometimes. His recovery is gimpable and PK Fire isn't that great of a move, considering that you can react to it and it has some decent cool down.

[@SparkleBruh]

Emerald Leaf His recovery is bad, yes. But he has waaaaaaaaaay more tools than PK fire lmao. Uair, bair, nair, fair, d throw, pk thunder as a projectile, tons of obnoxious things that seem punishable but are not.

[@EmeraldLeaf84]

***** I guess.....I'm probably just biased as a Yoshi main (Yoshi destroys in the Ness MU)

[@atari_hmb]

WOW! So this is a thing! When Fow and I were doing friendlies online back in brawl he did a similar technique with Ness' up air. A couple years when Smash 4 came out I thought about his technique. Now, I've actually manage to cancel u-air with ness at the ledge but the hitbox still came out as Ness had no landing lag...But this video made it easier to be consistent...THANKS

[@atari_hmb]

+ATARi Evif In other words, Ness can do it most likely though I don't own the game so I have to try it tomorrow hopefully.

[@partyhardpalutena4392]

THIS SHIT IS IMPOSSIBLE ON DS

[@Tocaraca]

Then get a Wii U... jk

[@Kuebel350]

+Party hard Palutena Of course it is. The DS doesn't have a Smash Bros. game.

[@Tocaraca]

Kübel350 xD

[@partyhardpalutena4392]

Kübel350​ smart ass XD

[@partyhardpalutena4392]

Tocaraca I'm getting a Wii U for Christmas

[@Rare_Ani]

I've done this with little mac a few times into an instant up b, glad I can actually use it now that it won't be on accident nymore

[@justkorbii3180]

I hope that 1 dislike will be gone one day

[@migbuffin4861]

Holy this looks tricky to pull off! Thanks for always making useful but difficult videos MSC!

[@astrofallz]

I have used that instant counter tech so many times in tournament. Still surprises people and the best punish against people charging Smash attacks on stage.

[@G3Dem]

I've seen this last year on a 3DS version where a Guy was wondering what happened when he played Marth. It was exactly this. Love it :D

[@LeCrustyBat]

From what I've noticed, the animation (or the absence of animation) is kinda similar to what you get when you perfect land (when you land at the peak of your jump, not falling on the platform). If you do it perfectly it cancels the lag and you can attack directly (or grab, dodge etc..). I think when you still have the momentum of your jump, the game doesn't consider you are falling yet and thus cancels the lag. What I think is that the characters who can do this are those whose body box comes in contact sooner with the ground, thus cancelling the jump, but at that moment, the game still considers you are jumping (not falling yet), which cancels the ending lag.

[@SaltymanGaming]

Great video, the only small suggestion I have is mentioning issues with the technique earlier in the video. Invincibility frames are pretty important in smash 4.. you also need to go through the start of the jumping animation which reduces the advantage of reducing lag in the first place. but in theory you should be able to regrab the ledge almost immediately to regain your invincibility and use that for mixups or mindgames.

[@gregoritorres5171]

your videos are great man, your mewtwo video reeeeaally helped me improve. your giving people true content to work with, keep it up bruh

[@ProjectAsraPAWR]

It will be nice to get out of pressure heavy edgeguarding situations from here on out. (Time to jump into the lab again) Thanks again for the video!

[@yarnfang9451]

I managed to do this once with Ganondorf a long time ago but was never able to replicate it and thus had no idea how it works or how to do it D: Awesome

[@Aege95]

Hey My Smash Corner, I have footage of Roy, Shulk, and Robin doing the tech on my channel, along with footage of being able to do it on halberd.

[@Foaya]

I love it :o Looks like ledge wavedash a bit, this may be really usefull !

[@xNextful]

MVG Sol deserveS a shoutout too, in his "The sandman Cometh" Little Mac montage he showed this tecnique with the KO punch(the "Gazelle punch")

[@Rutabagas]

Yes! I was able to do this once on battlefield with Mario and was waiting for someone more skilled to figure out why ever since!

[@ishatonyou29]

Breakin' the meta daily!!! Loving your videos man, keep up the great work! 👍😄

[@ezrahuntings]

"Or even a K.O. Punch" That's some crazy stuff. Mac has a new K.O. punch opportunity which will have decent availability. I say that because in an even match, Mac will have taken considerable damage, along with his opponent to get K.O. punch. Since Mac has been damaged, and can easily be thrown offstage, he has many opportunities to use this tech since people try to gimp Mac as much as possible.

[@elvv4087]

I was practicing it and noticed it could also be performed quite easily another way (though not that quick!) You can do it if you press down instead of to the side or if you do press to the side but do a half downwards circle to the other side. So let's say you're on the right ledge: down -> left -> jump. Or right -> down -> left -> jump. I you do it like this your character gets further from the ledge so it takes longer to get back up with the jump. The jump is still canceled, but later. This can still be useful though since usually when you see someone get down and jump at the ledge you expect an aerial attack. Instead you cancel your jump and grab the opponent. Also, I have no proof for this, but it also looks like it can be performed with more characters and on more stages since it was much easier to perform. Hype!

[@Tmathh]

i love your videos...i dont even like smash 4 you just lay it out so nicely and make it seem playable...i wish you did this for PM

[@thedandguy189]

If these characters can do them, but not many others, this may raise their tier placement very soon.

[@yougotkicked]

Fox is able to cancel his ledge jump using shine, similar to the way you cancel it with counter, which suggests to me that any special which modifies your momentum enough should be able to do the same.

[@RedZeshinX]

"Hardest technique" is an understatement! I've gotten it maybe 2-3 random times in my past 80 some odd attempts on Battlefield, there must be something I'm missing here.

[@roosterdew7791]

wow. I'm gonna practice this now lol. hoping to see some of the tech stuff too found in tournaments that would be cool. this is pretty useful.

[@synysterdawn8913]

Anyone that can do this consistently in the heat of a match has the thumbs of a god. I somehow managed to pull it off my second time trying on Battlefield, but after that I maybe pulled it off two or three more times after an hour of practice.

[@LessThanPi]

Awesome video as always Ambrose. I guess I have to draw Cloud too now...

[@riverm5889]

WOW I actually have done this before with marth many times but never really bothered to look into it! I kept making the melee ledge wave dash get up input and sometimes it would work and I would shield right as I got up but I didn't know it was from just the control stick and jump. I never really implemented this in real game play before this video but I can do that now! :) Alot of tech in smash 4 have to do with the control stick such as extended dash dancing, lagless ledge get up, and perfect pivots.

[@Starmar]

Woah this is pretty big. Opens up a lot of options in a situation that you'll find yourself in in just about every match. Also I just got done playing FFVII before watching this haha

[@masterofdoom5000]

2:17 so close to a supposed ledge get-up to grab that sakurai might have put into brawl.......I knew it was a cool idea.

[@Yjio]

This is actually insane

[@Rotomoo]

At 1:56 I had to think for a bit. "Wait, Ivysaur and Ice Climbers aren't in sm4sh..." Silly me.

[@EmpireCrusher203]

wasn't able to do it, but trying allowed me to figure out how to do short hop onto the stage! Thanks!

[@linnarin]

Thanks for the video man, I'm gonna test this out with Ness next chance I get.

[@lakutoxt8650]

"...except Palutena". D1 is crying right now.

[@MyAce8]

this is tech that is in all the smash games, its called no impact landing (or NIL) for short i think ppu has a vid about it

[@MyAce8]

+Ace shinigami also its not that hard to do smash4 scrubs (jk)

[@MyAce8]

+Ace shinigami also you can do it from jumping on to a platform perfectly but thats less useful and harder to preform oh and btw it works with every character on every surface :)

[@supersonicstep]

+Ace shinigami NIL and ECB was only in melee i believe, Brawl and Smash 4 used a different engine than Melee, so ECB was removed, and it seems NIL was as well

[@4137Swords]

Oh my gosh.... this changes so much and adds so much more tech to Smash 4... even though it's hard, if mastered, this could change the entire meta game...

[@josephvu5003]

hey MSC when you showed us the picture of the stages that we can do this tec on you showed Gaur Pains is but is it omega form or just regular and if so where?

[@josephvu5003]

+Joseph Vu and i was able to do it with shulk at lylat with the stage tilted with monado speed

[@SparioVailen]

I've been doping the counter ledge get up forever, it's a nice option when your opponent is applying pressure.

[@25402702]

Something like the Jump-immediate-counter works with wii fit trainer's down B, bc it instantly stops aerial motion.

[@Fireblaze3127]

OMFG I've done this before! I thought I did an edge waveland for a second and got really confused, but I could never replicate it :\, TY for this video ^_^

[@dradmclad]

Excelent video! I can't wait to see what's next

[@furrygirlsylvy]

Cloud hype! Lol. That seems like a very useful technique! I'll probably practice it soon. :3

[@MisterE345]

You know what I think needs to be researched? inputting a command when you get launched. There are times where you get smashed off stage and it doesn't look like a kill UNTIL you input something to recover just to see yourself lose stock. A great example would be luigi. there are times where i get launched and want to input green missile seeing as im off screen but not quite at blast zone. Then there will be times were all I do is Try to DI away from the blast zone just to be safe and back in the game.

[@djredtail]

Wow this is very similar to melee's wavedash onto stage from ledge, smash 4 get's better every day

[@Icemateria5746]

I remember like a year ago Quiksilver from Europe shared a video of this tech with the zss skype group. I've done this myself too by accident as zss. It seems a little strange though, are there other spacings where you could cancel the double jump with a different timing?

[@dyla3814]

so THIS is how Styles kept using the KO punch almost instantly after getting up from the ledge

[@NikiPiano]

For people trying to do it with Lucas: It's actually much easier to do if you input a Zair simultaneously to the jump. Works pretty well for me.

[@Kamodomon]

OMG! Zelda needed this help! Now I just need to learn it... Gotta get gud.

[@KikonSketches]

while waiting for a friend to come back i was on the miiverse stage with the sang bag, and i was messing around dashdancing until i did this unintentionally on the stage as fox

[@HyperLuigi37]

Did this with Shulk on Lylat (without the counter). Not other stages yet but I'll be trying later.

[@blondiebear42]

You can also do the counter thing with Lucas' down b. You can also reverse it for a quick ledge punish

[@benpridgen6380]

This tech is very easy to do w/ tap jump enabled. You basically just roll your thumb from back, to a forward quarter circle up.

[@OnlyCommentPoster]

I made it work with Robin on Lylat !! I will send you a video when I manage to do that again haha

[@Mad_Ice_King]

I wonder if Robin's capable of it as well. Boy, he/she sure could use some extra movement options to compensate his/her slow walking speed.

[@spuhgetti]

+mysmashcorner I have a trick similar to this too, if you do a ledge jump and an aerial or special at a special time, you can cancel your ledgejump and attack long the ground if that aerial cancels momentum

[@Link24a]

So it's like ledge dashing in Melee without the invincibility. Good shit

[@imakenovids8621]

Thank god falcon can command-grab people shielding at the edge... because this lagless get-up is hard af

[@oceano901]

Just got around to doing this. It's very hard to perform. To those that would like to approach it a different way, look at MSC when he does it and mimmick it. Given hes doing it correctly, I tried to picture the speed I need by visualising it. Helped me a lot in getting it down.

[@OnlyCommentPoster]

I managed to do it with Shulk in Speed Form. Still testing wheter it works on the others forms and normal forms. It is acutally quite easy in speed form. I will post a video on that soon too