Beginner Painter Pitfalls | S1E25

[@astrozombiac3535]

Finger condoms, reminds me of a story about my Dad. He worked in animation during the early 90s, back when they still used ink and painted cels. They used the finger condoms to keep from smudging and my Dad snatched up a couple to show off. The first PTA meeting of my kindergarten class, my Dad went around showing the other parents the finger condoms claiming the school was teaching the kids safe sex practices. My poor mother was so mortified.

[@UnvarnishedTarnished]

That's awesome haha, back when you could make jokes like this lol

[@BlackMagicCraftOfficial]

Lion Bar = Mr Big in Canada.....slightly different but essentially the same. Canada and UK share a lot of candy bars under different names. Many of which USA are missing out on 😛

[@alexknott1696]

Hope you get a Mr. Big peanut version of the Peanut Lion bar as well? A lot of people rave about lion bars being great, but without sounding too much like "(insert whichever country you come from)'s got talent" judge, the peanuts take it to another level!!

[@MordTimeAJ]

Mr. Big is a solid bar.

[@BlackMagicCraftOfficial]

UnknownJorge Canadian chips in general absolutely destroy American ones. Considering America’s propensity for junk food, it’s staggering how weak their chip game is.

[@rikokrates6298]

Double Deckers ftw! So damn good, honestly enough calories to keep you going as a replacement for lunch!

[@cabe_bedlam]

Star Bar runs a close second.

[@Ninjon]

"The Pen Is Mightier" will have to be one of the Jeopardy categories, even though Scott won't get the reference.

[@Scherdnr]

And “S”-words.

[@danmclean7375]

YasuregimmeSwords... ahhell let's go nuts - swords for 48,000.

[@podwick7222]

Trapped under plastic: the Podcast for the miniature Tendie enthusiast.

[@Iamvalcristvalentine]

What if you are tall and enjoy tendies... or are the tendies tiny...

[@alexanderzimmerman1271]

Needs more Tendies

[@JunkySun]

That Comment by John on the muscle memory developed by bad habits is worth gold! Holds for good habits as well. All comes down to beenig *proactive*. I love the amount of deliberation that goes into your podcasts, and I enjoy the amount of cheesiness that wrapps it. Thanks for putting in the time and effort. Love you guys.

[@hansyolo8277]

35:21 or a heat gun! Rinse it off with some water before curing it, blast the supports with a heat gun/hair dryer for a few seconds, and the supports pretty much peal off. As long as your support aren't too think

[@LouieLovesMinis]

Soooooo, who else was painting while listening to this and simultaneously self correcting their posture/way they held their minis? :))))

[@solidsentinel1285]

I painted my first mini to this

[@victoryspath4116]

Thank you so much for talking about posture and ergonomics while painting! I'm a strength and conditioning professional and happen to also love painting miniatures and creating terrain. And this is something I think about all the time. I've noticed a lot of people with really terrible posture while painting and think of the damage they're doing to their body long-term. I've even thought about putting out a video on exercises to help correct these ergonomic issues, But then figured it might be too much of a niche market. I also noticed, thankfully, that during the marathon painting challenge, Brent from goobertown Hobbies, even got up to do some basic exercises. I'm glad some of the leaders in this industry/hobby are thinking about that kind of thing. It's a more important subject than the vast majority of people realize.

[@samd5466]

I'm a little embarrassed to admit I'd watch every minute of a 24 hour episode.

[@danwichgames]

I dont know why but i fell in love this this Austrian candy bar called velvet crumble. Imagine if you will honey flavored space ice cream covered in chocolate that you smash up in jagged chunks before eating. I have no idea why i love it, most people i have introduce it to hate it or think it is ok, but that does not stop me from spending way to much for imported ones.

[@mikewicked]

We have them in Australia too, called Violet Crumble though. Also available as small bite chunks in a bag. Delicious! There's also a poor man's version call Crunchie.

[@danwichgames]

@@mikewicked lol I just realized auto correct changed Australian to Austrian.

[@finkmonkeyful]

Beginner Pitfall: Comparing yourself to others and getting down about it.

[@visuellegedanken]

Ah man, I enjoy your podcast a ton. It’s full of fun silly stuff while still be highly valuable. Thank you!

[@dougsundseth6904]

Life is too short to paint minis you don't _love_. Don't wait "until you are good enough" to paint a miniature. Companies come out with great minis all the time; you'll never run out. When you love the mini you are painting, you'll look forward to each painting session instead of treating it as just a chore to complete on the way to your real goal. Prime your minis. Yes, you can paint minis without priming, but priming makes your life so much easier. And primer != paint, even though it looks similar. Get real primer. Think about your primer color. There are reasons to use black, white, gray, or colored primers, depending on what result you want. Pick your primer color intentionally. Don't use bad brushes. You can use _cheap_ brushes effectively, but understand their limitations. Once the point starts to go, it's a dry brush. Hardly ever use tiny brushes. They don't hold enough paint and they dry out too quickly. Instead use bigger brushes that have good points. Quality Kolinsky brushes are the cheap way to get good brushes. They're more expensive on the front end, but they last much longer, take more abuse before failing, and they're more fun to use. Unload your brush before applying it to the mini. If you're using thin paint and don't unload, you'll flood the surface and hate life. Don't hate life. Use something that fits your hand well to hold your mini while painting. If you're directly holding the mini, your hand will get tired much more quickly, you'll put finger oils onto the surface of the mini that will keep the paint from sticking well, and you'll rub paint off. _Do not_ put your elbows on the table. If somebody bumps the table or your chair while you are painting, you are screwed. Heck, even heavy steps on the floor can cause vibrations that mess up your brush strokes. Instead, brace your elbows against your rib cage and the heels of your hands together. This promotes better posture and isolates the mini much better while still giving you really good painting stability. (Feel free to ignore this if you paint alone in a room with a concrete floor, and heavy chair, and a closed door.) Do almost all your painting with a single, consistent brush stroke. Move the mini so that stroke will give you the result you want. This will improve your brush control faster than any other technique. Don't be afraid to mix paints to get the color you want. It's not hard and it saves a _lot_ of money. Related: Don't buy full paint sets, pick and choose to need. Don't ignore color wheels, but don't let them govern your life either. When used judiciously, they can be helpful, but by themselves they can be worse than useless. Yes, complementary colors can be effective, but bright blue and bright orange isn't necessarily a great way to go. (Although, "Go Broncos!") Paint the eyes first! Yes, they're hard, that's why you want to paint them before you put lots of effort into the area around the eyes that will need to be repainted when you inevitably mess up.

[@Ninjon]

Some beautiful advice here Doug, thank you for sharing!

[@holyhandgrenade3]

I think Jon's brace idea would basically be a miniature holder that has a small jut out point on the bottom that you can rest your ring and pinky fingers on. Also: Heroin isn't technically natural, but opium is. So is arsenic. And cyanide.

[@yourundoing12]

Keeping a Lion bar in the fridge means you miss out on the defining moment of Lion bar consumption - breaking one in half so it looks like a Lion roaring (the caramel looks like teeth)

[@socklips7655]

I still consider myself a beginner painter, here are three issues I've recognized for myself: 1. Letting a model or mini become *bigger* than it is, or should be. 2. Doing too much research, setup, preparation, planning etc..instead of painting. 3. Letting fear rule the day and spoil the fun.

[@benpuffer7891]

Hawklord and some Bases was the name of my high school metal band.

[@dances4980]

Virtual Hugs going out to Sam Lenz, Vince Venturella, Jon Ninas and Scott the Miniature Maniac! Virtual Hugs to everyone who is bored and kind of lonely. Hobby on. When you nerds all hang out together someone please take some footage so we can live vicariously through you. Thanks very much.

[@iceyhawkboy4590]

One of the best tips I ever learned for myself was that you cannot look at someone else's work and directly replicate it when you're just starting out. You need to learn the techniques slowly over time and just not try to plow straight in and use everything on one model.

[@robertanstee443]

You guys put me onto Karol Rudyk and i absolutely fell in love with the sculpts, with them doing some of the best fantasy minis out there, currently bought five of their 32mm minis and currently thinlking about giving myself a challenge of one of their busts

[@Ninjon]

VUGS TO ALL OF YOU

[@CrazyYWENK]

Yeeeah always happy to see another episode of you guys ❤️ alone the first few minutes was awesome funny because its true family life stories 😂 thumbs up!

[@foxtrot2824]

Thanks for another entertaining episode to kick off the work week. Greetings from St. Cloud, master sprudes - keep up the great work. 🤘

[@daniel.likes.sharks]

"Wunderbar" ist the best bar around.

[@Zambies]

I give all my minis names because it makes it less weird when I talk to them.

[@hillmath9059]

The cleaning is not just a female thing. I (male) do the same thing, I want to feel good about the space I am in when friends are over. Because friends are going to make it messier anyway, so starting at peak clean is best.

[@joebrackenborough1051]

Excuse me but obviously this needs a game of thrones spoiler alert at the begining. Even if it's my fault I haven't seen it yet I'm getting round to it in the next 10 years and don't need people like you ruining it. Only jokes well done guys keep you the great podcasts very enjoyable.

[@HerbieMcNugget]

funny, i just recieved my black sun miniature (sienna starkiller) as i was watching the part where you talked about different brands than GW ^^

[@mekko1413]

You need to prime prior to worrying about the burs if using transparent resin.

[@Ninjon]

Good tip, I'll try that!

[@karenswanay4750]

To your point about the 10K hours thing. Let me offer you a different perspective on that. If you spend 10K hours just practicing chords on your guitar you will be a master at chords. You are only a master of the skill that you are repeating. I really couldn't see how the second part of that tip related to the first part except perhaps that you were trying to say that painting is an evolving skill. I think what needs to be said about the 10K hours thing, is that the point of human life is growth. So if the thing you are doing, especially anything artistic is limitless, then you should continue to strive and learn. But the basics, the very first steps will always be something you are a master at. Assuming it's 10K hours of mini painting, you'd have gotten the hang of priming and zenithal by 10K for sure. As usual, I enjoy your podcast. Thank you for pushing that content out there.

[@Lewberry]

I bought the starter recruit set to play with a friend. New to the hobby, it’s great

[@MagentaBoy]

Best Mini Podcast, nice Quality. I can’t stand to listen to others because of their bad Mics.

[@Nurgüii]

The biggest thing iv learned and what i think is the cornerstone of the hobby, paint chemistry. From how thin can i make the paint, brand, what to thin it with, what paint mixes well, how much paint on the brush etc etc and holding myself to a standard. Tbh i think to be a decent painter you just need to know how the paint works and sometimes it doesn’t matter how many videos you watch until you put the paint on the brush and know it yourself.

[@aegisvald5093]

Jon: When you were talking about the sisters. The altar that they put stuff on was literally in the lore an altar they ripped out of a church and strapped stuff to so I would say that is a win in design. You literally told the story by looking at it.

[@Ninjon]

I see the story. It’s just a shitty story 😂

[@Miniac]

@@Ninjon 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@aegisvald5093]

@@Ninjon Fair enough.

[@shoobloo]

Loved the video, but have you though about increasing the contrast and thinning your paints?

[@Ninjon]

WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT?!

[@Miniac]

THIS GUY!

[@ProrokLebioda]

Now you have to do the play and paint :D That would make an awesome video! If model dies you can't paint it, so after game whoever paints more points wins! For new painter I think the biggest pitfall is to discard idea of getting an airbrush. Priming, varnishing, basecoating, tinting, stencils, etc. It's useful and helps with basecoating (especially for all the marines and vehicles). In straight up mini painting, not for gaming, it might not be the must have, but I still would recommend jumping on that train. It revitalized my love for painting. It OK to mess up, you'll get better with practice! Indomitus Necrons part looks so cool! I've sold mine, but only because I cannot justify another 40k army(yes, I have marines, space wolves). That game system makes me feel burned out sometimes(hopefully now that primaris gets all needed kits we will see some other armies gets love like necrons are getting, maybe eldar?), AoS is getting me pumped much more. Model you speak about, the one sucking matter from that dude, is not in the box. He's called Illuminor Szeras and he's sold separately. Cool model.

[@Miniac]

Very good point. Wish one of us had thought of that! Airbrushes are a huge pillar of the "gear acquisition syndrome" problem.

[@EDSKaR]

Interesting to hear you talking about a mini holding contraption, I've been working on something like that. (I do 3d modelling) I've no way to market it though.

[@637dan]

Thankfully I don’t have any worries about what I’m going to do to a model before I paint it, I usually sit down with it when I’m ready to paint it, and go from there.

[@danwagner4306]

Amazing work. Thank you for your continued content. Enjoyed...

[@wolf164d0]

Painter Tip - I guess something to add to what you guys stated in your Pitfalls. Record your painting steps in a painting note book/note taking application. Allows to go through and analyze what you are doing when going through the motions. Also great for reference to go back to when you are taking a break or painting other miniature lines and come back to your previous armies to paint more. Wish I was doing this myself when I first got into painting over 10 years ago. Painting schemes do change overtime but that due to painting skills improving and adding more detail to your work.

[@LordScimitar]

I am not yet a mini-painter, I'm eager to start once I've completed some other DIY projects I'm busy with. I'm already guilty of GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) and GAME (Green Army Man Experimentation) I've collected paints, primers, some cheap brushes, stuff to make a wet pallet, etc. The army men are for testing colour choices, practicing priming, etc. Nothing that needs detail. I'm looking to get into mini-painting for Star Wars Legion, I grabbed a core set and expanded on it for both Imperial and Rebel in equal measure so I can play with anyone who visits and we can make up our armies with equal opportunity. I have 3 board games with minis that I'll paint first so I can level up by painting more minis before I delve in Star Wars.

[@Scherdnr]

It’d be interesting to hear someone who deals with ergonomics and physical therapy says about miniature painting and and how we should approach it for long term health in a hobby that hundreds/thousands of hours are spent sitting and using fine motor skills.

[@pianospawn1]

Lots of tattoo artists have terrible back problems too. In fact it's notorious for the profession. I would just read up on the things people have done to help them .

[@DannyByoung]

Thank you for your knowledge guys.

[@PlasticClouds]

Literally just spent this afternoon painting my first mini... it is a mess but I followed through and its done. There is so much I learnt just by holding the paintbrush in my hand that no amount of preparing could have shown me.

[@C3ns0rious]

I heard "dissertation" in this podcast and was triggered cause I'm listening to this instead of working on my dissertation right now.

[@Iamvalcristvalentine]

Currently listening rather than writing my MSc thesis. Good luck mate.

One of the biggest beginner's painter pitfalls might be (at least for me) to watch hundreds of YT tutorials. Most related to Jon's first point. Anyway you start to watch them, you find out that this person is using this color, then this one. If you use any other color from different manufacture it will be not the same. You probably need also 4 types of brushes maybe even Airbrush too. Not to mention all other stuff. If you try to follow up these videos step by step you come to this paralisis, that you really need to have all these stuff so you miniactures looks good. Maybe just watch the beginner guides, how to do what. Just to have some starting ideas and then do not look at anything else because you might not start any time soon :).

[@GusB156]

Best part about this episode is Scott talking about how is wife buys organic chicken while he sips on a NOS, love it.

[@malcolmfitzgerald6801]

This podcast reminds me of sitting with my friends in school during lunch.

[@sandrasalazar1108]

Hi I'm Sandra from North Side Minneapolis. I have been watching your past videos. I am newer then a newbie.I didn't even know this miniature painting even existed. I can't wait until the source fully opens. What's the best way to reach you guys I have a few question to ask?

[@Miniac]

Hi Sandra!

[@finkmonkeyful]

Beginner Pitfall: Painting poorly sculpted minis. That can throw off a new painter because it can be harder to make those poorly sculpted minis looknice. Ex. Don't practice on Green Army Men. :P

[@wilkobeckmann9982]

The song Jon is talking or singing about is a German song called Rosamunde. Awesome hot shit as ever. Keep on doing more of this

[@andrewsimmons2711]

Soooo drunk painting with Sam and Vince?

[@dmeep]

i think vince doesnt drink so he might find that tedious

[@frozenbean]

Someone needs to do Nardwuar-level research on Scott and Jon and blow their minds in an interview.

[@wyatt606]

You know the game where one person starts a sentence/story and someone else picks up where they left off? Then they pass it to the next person? Why don't you all (Jon, Scott, Vince and Sam) play a game. Starting with 4 primed minis, each person paints for 30 minutes. No talking scheme or painting ideas. Pass it down the line to the next painter. After 2 hours you have 4 frankenstein minis that you can talk about how they are unique/awesome or how the previous person gave you a POS to try to fix up.

[@mini-paintingpapa]

Yes, I can vouch for the hot water process. Definitely do it before you cure it. If you use an Xacto blade, you can scrape it off while it’s soft.

[@NigelMills]

Goobertown does the hook thumb.

[@stillunsure7630]

Painter's aid idea! Pinky finger trap!.... Plus Tendies is uk for Balls! 😂

[@seanclarke8015]

You need to get vince on the podcast when he comes round, you've already had sam and im missing the guest appearances.

[@ElijahAtchley]

I don't have a dedicated painting area; I've found tv trays (portable couch table) very useful.

[@Cheeseburger2469]

Attn: Scott, a bunch of the links in your mini manufacturer list are dead

[@markfrommontana]

Ninas and Walter; you guys are the Martin and Lewis of the Miniature Painting Universe, with a meteoric rise and, if history rhymes, you're looking at another spectacular 7-8 years together. I presume you'll be filming "At War with GW", soon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_War_with_the_Army ;)

[@wargamingnoobs]

When it comes to the big box sets, I either keep both armies, or split them with a friend. I don't buy a box to sell anything out of it, too lazy to deal with that, lol.

[@booner8856]

I started painting minis because of Covid, and I don't even table top game IS THAT WEIRD

[@orenfox4828]

One thing that I find really important when starting to paint, is to learn the paints, because all are different, and you need to use their individual strengths to suit your needs.

[@orenfox4828]

Taking it a step further, you also need to learn how to learn them, so that then true mastery is incredibly easy and fast.

[@markfrommontana]

"Days of Our Lives with swords and dragons" That pretty much sums up GOT.. (besides, "Everyone dies.")

[@Sylakk]

A bit of Candy bar/Chocolate bar (U.K) trivia, Our Snickers bar was renamed from the name Marathon bar in i think the late 80's. Has it always been Known as Snickers in America?

[@grandpasguitars1098]

Been struggling with thumb placement for years. Finna slay now tho

[@ramseylandry1876]

You could probably get a sponsorship with Raising Cane's and get that sweet wrap for free (some terms and conditions may apply.)

[@samuelbaldwin2184]

Have i seriously been watching for more than five years? Where did all that time go

[@chibizion]

Speaking of the Judiciar the weird top of his head is a helmet. If you look closely as his face you can see the eye lenses.

[@Miniac]

ahh, that makes more sense!

[@chibizion]

@@Miniac Yeah, I think it's supposed to be a Chaplain style skull helmet but the color choice is a bit too cool which bleeds more into a skin tone color than a bone color. I think a more traditional bone color would solve that a lot more, along with a stronger glow effect on the eye lenses.

[@timmcmenamin1187]

Brush control device that is a cross between a bowling wrist guard and Chinese finger cuffs

[@OldDog.NewTricks]

Funny you mention splitting a box, it's how my son and I got into WH40K!!! It was a great bonding time for us.

[@lunar_millitarumgamingamon1835]

By the way you can still buy indomitus on amazon

[@RieksVisser]

Paint more minis, got it!

[@BrianMooney]

Raging Heroes has some good alternatives for the Penitent Engine. The pose is still a bit static, but I think they look much better.

[@ger5956]

I got some dual army boxes, I’m keeping both army’s just to have and paint and look nice tbh, who knows, I might even play a few games with them some day

[@johnqglass]

Totally with you guys on the Game of Thrones thing

[@OvantheWise]

I have seen a drinking game where if you need cover in a game of warhammer you Finnish your beer and pace it down as cover. Maybe you guys could adapt that for your warhammer game and as you Finnish painting a model it can be added to a squad who has lost a unit already, or if you finish Vehical or whole squad you could deep strike it within 5in of a friendly unit. Finished units must be painted to a 3 color tournament standard.

[@ringodeathstarr9795]

you hopped up on that nurbo nos right now?

[@lucentv]

Liking and commenting for cat cameo.

[@jaserart]

C'mon Scott! You don't know 'intergalactic' by Beastie Boys? Jon needs to give you some homework in the 'cool shit' category. Awesome show guys, it made me realize how much Jon's first point was so.... on point 😏 I'm not an expert mini painter by any stretch or the imagination but a lot of the "mistakes" you guys touch on I also did them and learn from them similar way you guys did. Keep up the great work guys!

[@Chronic.]

When thinking about good Interviewers Nardwuar comes to mind. He´s insane, the knowledge about his subjects is 10/10.

[@cabe_bedlam]

1:36:10 for the important announcement of the episode.

[@christianvonbonin8162]

Lion bars are the best candy for skiing and snowboarding. You can still eat it even if it's freezing outside. Other chocolate bars WILL break you teeth when frozen...

[@KevinNWahl]

Trapped Under Plastic wants to really trap you under plastic for proper painting posture.

[@SatyricSaint1999]

hey Scott I would love to convert one of those space marines on the motorcycles into a Deadpool crossover. I love the ones in that box but they are sooooo expensive on ebay. I'd buy one from you if it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. ;D

[@jasonL287]

I’m constantly resting my forearms against the edge of my table. It causes my entire arms to fall asleep.

[@Pyromanemac]

Oh hey, something I know things about. Organic is a term defined by the National Organic Standards Board (NOSB) under the Department of Agriculture and is regulated through the FDA as well as other accrediting agencies. In simple terms, it requires humane treatment of animals and no or limited chemicals/pesticides for livestock and crops. All of their regulations are accessible through various .gov websites.

[@C3PO_YT]

Maybe the license plate that read "TENDIE" wasn't talking about nuggets, what if the guy was a goalie in a hockey league or they just like goaltenders in general cause tendie is also a word used when referring to goaltenders but thats just my guess, love both of your channels and watch as much as I can but for some strange reason I'm still a bit scared to mess up my minis with a crap paint job, what can I do to get over the fear and just jump in and start something even if it's gonna end up looking nothing like I have it pictured in my head? Thanks in advance

[@MrKirschbaum]

Jeopardy suggestion, instead of 'Potpourri' category, do 'Paint Pot' as the title

[@Gentleman_Jim]

You guys should try the white chocolate lion bar

[@93Nordo]

Take time to step back and check from, not just a different angle but also from a greater distance what you are painting. I don't mean at the end of your session only but while painting. Getting to mentally involved in having every brush stroke exactly where your mind/eyes tells you it should be might take away time and fun from what you are working on, to then just realise that part of the mini or the mini as the whole is fine or even great as it is.

[@meepmerp9613]

Scott please watch Princess Mononoke.

[@Miniac]

ok!

[@AsteroidTVGaming]

[@MrSussurrus]

The expression "Practice makes perfect" should be replaced with "Practice makes permanent". I know you've talked about this before in relation to GW's painting tutorials, but it's really important to be aware that some skills and styles are dead-ends for mini-painters. "Ten thousand hours practice" is missing a key word: deliberate. An hour of deliberate practice is worth a lot more than an hour of repeating a skill you can already do on autopilot.

[@foulplay99]

To be fair anyone painting so much would pick up on different ways to paint if they sat and painted minis for months on end, or they would recognise when their end results seem to have holes. I've just realised with my painting I need to start wet blending as there is no shading going on with my minis. The only people who would paint forever without improving are those who have no desire to improve.

[@33774466]

1:30:19 MUDVAYNE

[@jujuyarn]

I loved the guest in this episode

[@kevinbrewer7615]

So who does have the best tendies?

[@dustyhobbies6338]

The Lion Bar is decent, but we've definitely got better. Do you guys get Double Deckers in the states? Or Aero?

[@Durfast76]

They should try a Cadburys boost bar

[@dustyhobbies6338]

@@Durfast76 Boost is awesome!

[@yourhairyhog]

Double decker - hell yes

[@newgamer85]

The hawk lords a rumoured to be part of the emperors children gene seed. That's why the out of character paint scheme