Beginners Guide to Ultimate Ones 【Explaining ORT & Kukulkan】

[@Ultimate0Phantasm]

This just makes me wanna see Ado edem story line since people keep saying he is only strong against big enemies when both A rays and Either liners feared him meaning slash emperor true power might have only awakened when types arrive

[@XrosReflection]

Yeah it’s the strong ones that have it worry about him the most but either liners should are strong anyway so I’d hope slash emperors ability is just a bonus to his arsenal

[@Ultimate0Phantasm]

@@XrosReflection Considering that there was never a statement that his performance is bad in the war between A rays and Either liner where the beings he fought has the power of a nuclear bomb

[@852primus]

So I just realized something: what was ORT’s status in the British Lostbelt? We could make the argument that it just remained where it was for the other 5 Lostbelts: perhaps quarantined by the Machine gods and immune to God Arjuna’s resets. But the British Lostbelt had a distinct lack of landmass. That was the whole problem, aside from the shitty fairies. I do not believe for a second Velber/Sefar killed it. Did Velber/Sefar even go near it? Did it sink into the ocean and not notice? What the heck happened?

[@XrosReflection]

So considering each lostbelt is isolated to the particular places ORT status wouldn’t matter since it wasn’t in those regions. If the history’s of those worlds did by chance have their own series of events in other parts of the world ORT would be unharmed most likely. assuming their were gods to kill in South America sefar would have a better chance to fight against it the most but the chances are they never meet same with the machine gods isolated on the own area to rule

[@852primus]

@@XrosReflection The thing is the fantasy trees are simulating pruned timelines of the whole world not just certain areas. We only care about certain areas because that is where the Fantasy tree is, which we normally have to destroy in order to erase the lostbelt. The areas we have access to are, I believe, the areas closest to the tree that have been projected. The duty of the losebelt kings is to grow the tree and expand the area-of-projection, normally. The initial idea was that the history of the lostbelts would eventually replace PHH, which means that the rest of the world would eventually be effected by the lostbelt. A second Ice age that wipes out everyone but the Russians. Surtr attempts to wipe out the world but is stopped at the last moment by Odin, leaving only a few humans left under Scathach-Skadi’s protection. The world is conquered by Qin Shi Huang. Arjuna alter speeds up the Yuga cycle killing all he deems evil, which includes people who don’t pray to him (so the rest of the world outside India is dead). The Machine Gods (Zeus) rule over the world and humanity with an iron fist. The endless ocean after Sefar. The uninhabited surface of Pangaea. Just because we don’t interact with it doesn’t mean it wasn’t simulated. The only lostbelt that definitively affected ORT is the seventh, which changed when it landed, but the other lostbelt divergences happened after it landed. I am simply curious how the other lostbelt divergences would/could have affected ORT, even if he didn’t matter to them. Obviously he wouldn’t react to a second Ice Age or Qin’s empire. Did he just brush off Surtr’s attempt to burn the world? Did Arjuna’s attempt to retcon him out of his perfect world succeed or tickle slightly? Who would win in a staring contest between Him and Chaos? Did Sefar just ignore him while it destroyed the ground he slept on and he sunk to the bottom of the ocean?

[@XrosReflection]

@@852primus being unkillable by earthly means as a ultimate one and alien, able to adapt by eating things and capable of living without a heart in it. We also don’t know what can kill it by it’s planetary bodies rules so these are assumptions god effected by and or created humanity could be consider earthly and even more so if heaven is a wrath concept then ORTs inmmune not being effected by other planets laws of nature. So Arjuna especially misses ORT every time Sefar probably ignored Ort not doing anything if it hot that area of the world, Veblen trying to consume the planet could probably consume ORT. Also consider ORT would be bothered bacause it doesn’t care about those suffering on earth and worst case they team up I can only assume Ort and chaos assuming it’s on ultimate one level would tie endless Ort clumsiness apart of it like how it became a deal apostle by eating one, then I’d say Ort has a better chance of winning. The machined gods assuming their ultimate one level may be able to stop it together some being more useful then other but if Ort eats one the I’m not sure if they stand a chance

[@aaronmendoza2010]

Well the main reason why ORT came to Earth was because Gaia felt threatened by humanity but in LB6 humanity never got a chance to get started because of Velber/Sefar. And from what we’re gonna learn from Nahui Mictlan’s archetype earth, the Earth doesn’t really care about aliens like Malla and the Olympian gods as long as the planet thrives

[@Ultimate0Phantasm]

With the release of stellar class saintsgraph I have a theory that these saintsgraph class is based on Kardashev scale which scales civilization meaning we could theorized how strong some types and chaos are. Type 1 civilization is also known as Planetary civilization which is a civilization that is able to access all energy available on the planet people like Whore of babylon,Goetia and Tiamat have energy that rivals that of that of planets Type 2 civilization is also known as STELLAR civilization is a civilization that is able to directly consume the energy of a star an example is a Dyson sphere meaning Chaos is a possible Stellar saint graph but holmes also stated that comparing it to it is doing it no Justice so it might be higher the same goes with ORT as his LB version that is a weaker subspecies because of losing its core is already able to reach stellar saintsgraph I think its higher we could also put type jupiter here as he use a sun as its core but considering that it has the highest Kill count in Notes and ORT was stated to be NOT the strongest being that heard the Earth signal I think that might be Type Jupiter so I think he is higher and so I believe the only confirmed stellar saintsgraph is Olga and ORT (Lostbelt version) Type 3 civilization also known as Galactic civilization a civilization that has the power to control a galaxy if you think Space ishtar would be here then your wrong and right at the same time Sigurd NP is enough to shatter her saintsgraph and it was stated it would took her "128 days" to destroy a galaxy that would only put her on multi solar system at best and Zeus who in his "35%" has an anti STAR SYSTEM NP which rivals her destructive power or even surpassed it as her NP is only Anti PLANET and Zeus is just a fraction of Chaos and this same Zeus is stated to be able to destroy a GALAXY with his thunderbolt and its consistent as he already have Anti STAR SYSTEM in his "35%" but that doesnnot put him here the only people I think is here is Chaos,ORT, and TYPES Keep in mind that being planetary class does not mean they are only planetary at max or being stellar makes them star level at max as Tiamat who have 900,360,230 saintsgraph surpassed Sefar "STAR LVL SAINTSGRAPH" of 300,000,000 and Amaterasu who's Existence is EQUAL to the SUN "THREE TIMES" and she is only 2nd PLANETARY CLASS saintsgraph

[@Kira22558]

Emanuel already scale servant to multiverse level (lowball)

[@Ultimate0Phantasm]

@@Kira22558 Thats bullshit none of them is literally stated to be capable of destroying a planet not because of the counter force but because they are NO CAPABLE of doing it stated by da vinci

[@Kira22558]

@@Ultimate0Phantasm l recommend you to read "Who will win Gilgamesh or anti spiral " in quora Because Emmanuel-E-M-I-Y-A is a wanker

[@Ultimate0Phantasm]

@@Kira22558 I have read it and there are so many headcannon and false information countless of people wank fate verse too much don't listen to the internet and do your own research start maybe with "Guess who" channel

[@Kira22558]

@@Ultimate0Phantasm tell Me Does goku one shot gilgamash?

[@Kira22558]

Emanuel on his way to watch your video

[@ivanbluecool]

I really like the types but hope we get a separate vn or light novel of them to expand on notes rather than fgo much like tsukuhime remake. Ort is great in fgo but I don't want these types to all be beat by us as while servants are powerful it would diminish their force of nature if they just become semi types and beat them constantly. Exception would be VV in a weaker state to get more notes information and possibly in part 3 of fgo I'd be cool with but a war on other planets we'd definitely need Adam to take over the world to contend with them

[@XrosReflection]

I’d like more TM characters in general be given time in other world but FGO gives more leeway to do so. I’d like for other celestial bodies and planted to explored with all the aliens making themselves known

[@ivanbluecool]

@@XrosReflection honestly most of the writers could branch off to make stories and then an event to expand on it like requeim or hopefully in the future strange fake as that should definitely be part 3 with servants Types deserve a full story and then fgo to flesh out singular characters and I'd be cool with reading it. Oh and some references to the Greek pantheon as they were an ark

[@ivanbluecool]

@K.O.G.Fanstarks1610 that's basically the fgo community when someone brings up a good idea that goes against the status quo. Don't let it stop you from puzzling the story nasu hasn't made together but hints at constantly with types. I'm that way and people don't like me sometimes but I'm right at the end of the day predicting so many things as I understand nasus writing style better than most.

[@ivanbluecool]

@K.O.G.Fanstarks1610 I'd want an ova to show gun god and vv while giving us the hype moments to show how big the power is. Though fgo fans like elitist and co are pretty bad in some way or another but I'd feel type moon fans would want notes

[@ivanbluecool]

@K.O.G.Fanstarks1610 my guess is people would say he'd be a Kerry copy which is the opposite as gun god and vv are the archetype for Kerry and iri as a whole. Best thing to do is if you see things go sour jump ship immediately when the discussion turns to narrow minded poison where nothing will change someone's mind.

[@ajharris2690]

i have to ask if we were going by fate Iogic wouId vegeta become type vegeta by being the strogest from pIanet vegeta or wouId goku be or neither?

[@XrosReflection]

When the plane was around power wise vegeata Since Type Moon was supposedly king of the moon and also the strongest so king vegetea would hold the title till proven otherwise Goku was only stronger when they got older so he dose not Apply Thought Broly could be a canadite if he wasn’t sent off and trained.

[@introabadi1456]

might be a little late to the party, but don't you think that some of the grand servant kind of resemble the ultimate one ? Like the type saturn, appereance really, like REALLY resemble the grand lancer based from it's description. Meanwhile the type jupiter really resemble the grand assassin. idk, it might just be a coincidence. But there is no way that i'm the only one that think of this.

[@nightshrine4257]

When you say Type moon made Zelretch into a Dead Apostle Have you read the material about Zelretch that came last year? They kinda updated/added/changed some settings about him

[@XrosReflection]

No which material was that?

[@kziila0244]

@@XrosReflection Apparently, he’s only a Dead Apostle Ancestor in Tsukhime worlds now. In Fate worlds, he is not but is still immortal.

[@Xo-3130]

​@@kziila0244please that is the old stuff. It currently contradicts.

[@helios2664]

From what I recall, it’s unclear whether or not he’s still a vampire or not in Fate

[@8bitutopia1954]

“can they beat Goku though”

[@XrosReflection]

Yes