BEHIND THE SCENES: Undercoating at Ziebart in Henrietta, NY

[@johncole3010]

In Texas I recently purchased a 2012 Tacoma TRD with 120,000 miles. It spent most of its life in Maine and rust was beginning to form on all the welds and bolts. Being a Navy veteran having experience with shipboard rust mitigation, I prayed and researched all the options. Finally, I was led to use a combination of products that will ensure my investment remains rust free from the inside out. I used naval jelly on rust spots that were visible and I spot abraded with a hand held sand blaster until the under-body was sufficient. Then I wet it out and saturated everything with evaporust then the next day de-greased and cleaned with a 3500 psi pressure washer. This process was super dusty and took over a week crawling under the truck. After letting it dry over the weekend, I retouched up newly formed surface rust with naval jelly and coated the frame with rust remover ( 7 cans). I realize that primer is still porous and I think this is an advantage, because I used Amsoil HD MP undercoating as a final application. For the high chip damage surfaces, I coated with gloss black paint ( outer frame front edges and rear axle , hitch ) Since gloss seals I thought it best to only coat one side of an area to allow for a visual inspection annually. the front plate is to be protected with Raptor liner and Im debating on spraying the front hitch surface and exposed wheel wells . Finally, I went through the engine bay and sanded down all the grounds, vinegar cleaned the wires and used diaelectric grease and touched up all the bolts heads ( wire wheel clean, evapo rust treat and heat and oil quench bolts, using anti-seize for heavy bolts) The project is almost complete and I will certainly think twice before purchasing a rust belt vehicle again. Final note: Toyota inspected the frame and declined replacement with out giving me a reason. I treated all inner cavities, panels and rockers. In my opinion, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Comments and advice are welcome. Thanks from John

[@ApHoney]

Yeah don’t EVER buy a vehicle from up here. I’m in WNY and we get the worst of it. The vehicles here are rotting in less than 5 years off the lot.

[@davidgalea6113]

Rubberized coatings are the worst kind of corrosion protection. When the rubber layer gets scratched or starts to peel off, water gets in and rust festers underneath the coating. I am a mechanic on commercial passenger aircraft and at work we use dinitrol or ardrox it's whats recommended by the aircraft manufacturer and the aviation grade stuff av30, av40 av08 etc works well . take a look at what happens when you use rubberized coatings kzbin.info/www/bejne/pInZnWykqZpqgck

[@davidalmasi5854]

Nice

[@carmanbazza]

I remember seeing a Mk111 Cortina which was about 16 years old at the time for sale with the Ziebart sticker on it, exterior paint wasn’t good but the body was great almost 100% rust free… was back in the late 80s..

[@martinbrisebois5013]

One question, why is the hoist used to lift the vehicles rusted through? Technically, if there is one thing that should not rust is the hoist where the product is applied.

[@Ziebartrochester]

The lift shows signs of rust for several reasons. It is not practical, nor safe, to spray the lift with undercoating, then drive on top of it with customers vehicles, and raise it in the air. This lift is a high production lift that is constantly wet and covered in salt that is washed off vehicles.

[@Daniel-vs7qm]

Because the product they use is garbage. Go to Krown

[@ArmyOne519]

For those of you bashing Ziebart For over 60 years this Company has been protecting Vehicles with their Undercoating and Rustproof of Doors, Hoods , Fenders , Quarter Panels and the Entire Car. Growing up in Western Pennsylvania during the late 60s and 70s and even today where heavy snow and Salt still reak havoc on Vehicles, Ziebart has always protected my Cars and trucks, My Grandfathers , Aunts and Uncles also. And i am 70 years old. God Bless this Company 🇺🇸.

[@jr-pl9kj]

just FYI: cars rust mostly from the inside out, and it starts inside the rocker panels from those so called drain holes. because water makes its way up inside and sits between the weld joints and there's no protection or paint inside, most undercoating companies and most car owners dont seem to understand this "factory" flaw, and it the #1 reason undercoatings fail. someone needs to make a device that snakes its way inside the rocker panels and paints on protection. plus sand and rocks from the road gets kicked up by the wheels and sandblasts the outside of the rockers too and they rust even faster and those contact points are always under and towards the front doors and rear wheel well where the rocker panel meets. doors are basically the same way.

[@travispratt6327]

They do make it, lots of undercoating spray guns come with a multi directional wand attachment you can snake through frames and drain holes. There’s even aerosol wands you can buy for any aerosol corrosion prevention you wish.

[@mercuryassault5413]

Ziebart uses drills holes and uses a 360 degree topside rust proof machine, inside every rocker panel hood trunk, and all the seams on doors etc

[@athletikonaol]

There are some really damning videos out there of frames that got this coating. Maybe some franchises ruin it for others, don't know. But if rust gets started, it seems to travel underneath these rubberized coatings. If you already have rust, don't coat over it. You need to dissolve it/reform it to a paintable surface. Then use a rust inhibiting primer, and if you topcoat, Mastercoat AG-111 might be the best. But the last coating should be lanolin based.

[@DanielFiorani1]

fluid film or krown are so much better than ziebart

[@nomebear]

At one time I worked for friends who owned a Ziebart undercoating business. Annual checkups and touch ups were important. Long-time customers with old cars that had been treated since new with Ziebart rust protection would come in for their annuals and there wouldn't be a speck of rust on them. If you intend to keep the car from many years, and live where they salt the roads, it's a must have option. I owned a new Corolla and a new Town Car which I had the Ziebart rust proofed. It got a lot more money for them when I eventually sold them because they were rust free.

[@jackson5116]

or just never drive your car in non-dry conditions. I know a guy who never used this, but he took his car out only in summer when it was dry, and garaged it other days he didn't drive it, and it still looked showroom new. Ziebart is really for those who drive them in all conditions.

[@davidgalea6113]

@@jackson5116 rubberized coating are really really bad for corrosion protection . once it gets a scratch the rust and water gets in and festers underneath the coating. Just look at the video called "rubberized coating will destroy your car". I work on commercial passenger aircraft, and we never ever use rubberized coatings , we use aviation grade dinitrol or ardrox by the bucket load they are approved by the manufacturer Airbus. Just be aware that there is different types for different applications like AV30, AV8, AV40 etc...

[@kenj.8897]

Ziebart is by far the worst crap ever invented

[@dylancardwell1968]

That car, if driven in the rust belt will be junk within 7 years.

[@MuddyBob650]

I disagree sir. I'm from Ohio. I own a 98 Dodge Dakota since it was new. 22 years later, with my yearly renewal from Ziebart. I have yet to find any rust on my vehicle. Deff worth the investment in my opinion.

[@MuddyBob650]

@@dylancardwell1968 Yeah I completely see where you're coming from, Sir. Thank you for sharing your knownledge. I just wanted to state that I personally have had great experience with this company. I could be the lucky one I guess haha. Oh, and to answer your first question. This truck is well taken care of, but indeed has had the crap beat out of her. All the way from a work horse, farm truck, off roading, highway driving. You name it. Cheers to you good sir!

[@whydoikeepgettincut]

I guess that's why my 1986 astro that's lived in the rust belt is rust free and it had this done when new... take care of your stuff better

[@MuddyBob650]

@@DS-mo6md Thank you for sharing your knownledge, Sir. Where I have my vehicle undercoated yearly, they do provide a rust elimator, I'm not quite sure how well it works considering that this truck I own was undercoated when it was brand new. No rust had a chance to form. I'm sure there are a couple spots rust has formed under the coating no doubt about it. However, my frame has not cracked yet so I'm a happy guy haha. I do believe timing is critical in rust maintainence as you implied. Thank you!

[@KendrasEdge757]

Negative. Take care of your vehicles and have them undercoated annually and clean them off after the winter season has ended and you most likely won’t have any problems. It’s also best to start with a vehicle manufacturer that builds their vehicles correctly such as Toyota, Honda, almost every vehicle made in Japan. Make sure it’s being done at a reputable undercoating company as well. I was sold undercoating on my last Truck and it was never done. When I called to either have it “redone” or be reimbursed, I left it up to them, I was told “we use a clear undercoating so the untrained eye can’t tell that anything was done” lol yeeeah suuuuure ya do. I’d also HIGHLY recommend that you DON’T use the solid rubberized undercoating but the liquid undercoating.

[@buzzz241]

I live in upstate NY and Ziebart has been regarded as the best undercoating for decades! 😊 Do you undercoat older vehicles?

[@Ziebartrochester]

Thank you for your kind words! And yes we do, depending on the condition of the vehicle we can apply our Rust Elimination formula to help slow down the rust process. Please visit a store so they can inspect your vehicle and provide you with some options. Thank you!

[@buzzz241]

@@Ziebartrochester From Finger Lakes region, NY I would go to Henrietta, NY? How much would it cost?

[@Xzibitss]

@@buzzz241probably 3k knowing this company. They’re WAY overpriced

[@tristanhellijas9787]

@@Xzibitssit’s 300-400$ I think

[@dustbat]

Has this system plus done on a 80 200sx. They took lights out and parts off to get inside everywhere. Later had to replace a dented fender so I could look at it on inside. No part was not covered with the Z product. They left Richmond Va. for some reason.

[@Lance-b2l]

Perhaps they got using their own counterfeit spray instead of using the original spray which displaces moisture

[@dustbat]

@@Lance-b2l If your reply was to me, I do not understand. They did a great job and I was shocked they left.🦇

[@abdullahal-shimri3091]

I just spray mine with used motor oil

[@no-damn-alias]

who in their clear mind will do that voluntarely on their vehicle? It looks nice and shiny but underneath it's rusting

[@lindalathim2359]

They have a rust inhibitor they use that stops the rust, so it don't continue to rust.

[@no-damn-alias]

@@lindalathim2359 how much of it is contained in their product and which one is it actually?

[@Ziebartrochester]

Our product does not trap moisture like some other products may. Our undercoating displaces water and prevents further oxidation. Our product is backed by a full repair warranty for qualifying vehicles.

[@no-damn-alias]

Welp looks like the realist in me was right again

[@TrentGatzmeyer]

do you cover the whole vehicle to avoid overspray on the body paint?

[@streamlinemoderne]

Watching this after getting rust protection for my new to me 2003 PT Cruiser Turbo (14,000 miles!) that lived in the South. I'm in the Midwest. I saw a LOT of rust on other used PT Cruisers that I considered before buying the one I currently have. I got curious about the process that was done. I do have one complaint. My Ziebart guy was not as 1/10th as hot as Eric. Sigh.

[@noelkoppel943]

I just would undercoat the car with something else then this bitumen thing. The water gets between the coat and the frame and stays there and the result will be the death of the frame. Rust kills the car and it will be seen when its too late. Better to use some oil based coating.

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi Noel, our product does not trap moisture, rather it displaces it and prevents further oxidation. Ziebart is the leader in protecting vehicles since 1959. We have a full repair warranty for qualifying vehicles to backup our claim. Many other undercoating products do not offer a full repair warranty, rather a money back warranty, which is no good when your vehicle is rusted.

[@CastorRabbit]

@@Ziebartrochester I think the scam is done. The word is out.

[@TheBenjammin]

This is the worst thing ypu can do to a car.

[@BrayZap]

I just bought a new Mustang and wondering if this is a good thing to get? I live in Pennsylvania, so the winters are either bad or not too bad. Mostly want to protect against salt and cinders

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi Bray, congrats on buying a new car! We highly recommend protecting new and used vehicles with undercoating and rust protection. These products create a barrier against the environment and comes with an industry-leading full-repair limited 10 year warranty for qualifying vehicles. Best of luck!

[@Made-in-US-M]

I have a 2013 Chevrolet Silverado and was wondering... when you Ziebart this will you cover the entire frame as well as everything else you mentioned?

[@Ziebartrochester]

Yes, this is correct. The service is very comprehensive.

[@Made-in-US-M]

@@Ziebartrochester I had mine done just the other day and they did not touch any of the frame. It does have rust but not to the point of it even coming close to flaking or falling off. I paid quite a bit for this service and kinda feel I did not get what I paid for.

[@Made-in-US-M]

@@Ziebartrochester They also told me that there was no guarantee on this service because of the age of the vehicle?

[@Ziebartrochester]

@@Made-in-US-M, each Ziebart location is individually owned and operated, and in some cases, varying warranty parameters. It is best to contact the store direct to resolve your issue. If the work was done by this specific location, their number is 584-475-9820. Thank you!

[@rozlincoln3568]

What happens when water gets in-between the vehicle and your product?

[@aelx69420]

rust.

[@catherinerosa-baker2937]

That's what I read somewhere The eight any product water will get in and keep it there and make it rust sounds good to have it protected though I don't know I thought you just wash underneath with water

[@markmorreale8413]

Got truck waxed and buffed yesterday in utica, hardly buffed at all and did not wash the top of the truck, let alone wax it!!! paid a lot for it and top not even touched!!

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi Mark, we're sorry that your experience at our store was anything less than excellent, which is always our goal. We really appreciate you taking the time to let us know about this matter. If you need to get a hold of our corporate customer service team, they are available at 248.837.3955 or by email at [e-mail]. Thank you.

[@vincentsimon4037]

I have a 2018 Silverado with barely over 11,000 miles on it. I'm surprised at the rust underneath it for such a young vehicle. Am I too late for this treatment? I'm in Ohio btw. Thanks!

[@Ziebartrochester]

You are not too late! Contact your local Ziebart and they can help look at your vehicle with you and identify the best way to protect your vehicle!

[@chrisgraham2904]

Ziebart does offer other methods of protecting the undercarriage of older vehicles, but this rubberized coating is definitely not for your vehicle.

[@markpierce6468]

"Permanent undercoat" come back each year though

[@Ziebartrochester]

A big part of rust prevention is yearly maintenance. If you spray the vehicle once and never follow through you are likely to have issues. This is true for many things other than just rust prevention, such as maintaining other parts of your car and your home. Our coating does not wash/run off within a year and is considered permanent but there are scenarios where the coating can be physically damaged and removed.

[@crapmaster5000]

Is this like auto armor undercoating?

[@shamshieldd214]

good luck removing plastic connectors, lines, etc.

[@JJ-Toreddie]

Is this oil based or not? The gentleman says both

[@bonjournito]

So this kind of rust proofing in only for new vehicles? Mine is 10 yo and already has some rust on it. Can it be treated the same way?

[@Ziebartrochester]

Depending on the amount or rust, Ziebart is also effective on used vehicles. Stop by your local Ziebart for a free consultation so they can review the condition of your car.

[@hermanlopez9074]

@@Ziebartrochester where are you located?

[@Ziebartrochester]

@@hermanlopez9074 we have a ton of locations around the US. This video was filmed at our Henrietta, NY location.

[@pl5624]

Whatever happened to Quaker state Quaker coat? Looked like throw up but was wax based.

[@Hunterablackwell]

Do you sand blast underneath first on rusty vehicles

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi, no, we do not sand blast vehicles. We utilize a rust inhibitor chemical that aids in neutralizing rust. This chemical is ideal for vehicles that are not completely rusted through but show the beginning signs of rust and oxidation.

[@williamaparicio8660]

Any locations in long island NY? I'd like this done on my ram.

[@markmaurer1271]

I wish Zebart had more locations in Ohio.

[@jamesdaniel947]

I am taking my 2002 Astro passenger van to one in Cincinnati, for the rust eliminator and under coating.

[@alpo2567]

How long does the rust proof last? I have a 2018 Toyota RAV4. Is the rust proofing something I would have to get done every year?

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi Alpo25, our undercoating is a permanent coating and comes with a 10-year limited warranty for qualifying vehicles. We also offer free-yearly resprays. While our coating does not drip off like some other oiling products, we still need to check for areas affected by abrasion and mitigate early signs of rust on a yearly basis, and again this is done at no charge each year (at select stores).

[@thepoweroftruth3624]

Can you spray over rust?

[@lindalathim2359]

I have to pay each year between $49-59 for the re-sprays of undercoat., but i don't have to pay for the entire coating again.

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi Linda, every Ziebart store has slightly different policies regarding their prices, including the price for the yearly maintenance service. This location does not charge for the yearly maintenance.

[@ronellepiper662]

Yh but if u add every year it gets thicker

[@Ziebartrochester]

We do not spray over areas that are properly coated. We focus our time on correcting any minor issues that may come up after a year of normal driving. This could involve using various chemicals, compounds, and tools. Then, we clean and reapply our undercoating yo the areas needed.

[@prawnstar9213]

Don’t do this..

[@scottwilcox6741]

Great video you did hell of a job 😊👍🏼

[@81GREGV]

Can you do a Silverado 2500 HD it has the GM wax coating

[@kiroc89]

Lots of sour grapes in every Ziebart video. Jeez. Listen, I have a Toyota Tundra I bought from a friend in Ohio who had this done when brand new in 2011. I live in Indiana and drive my truck every single year in the salt. I’m even bad about washing my truck frequently. Like a few months between washes sometimes. I’ve had it since summer 2017. 12 salted road winters and not one spec of rust underneath. It works. I’m here looking at what I can do to my Sequoia I just got that has some frame surface rust on the welds that I want to get ahead of!

[@Mindamasta]

I’m looking to have this done on an FJ I’m looking into purchasing. Your comment was helpful, thank you.

[@CastorRabbit]

That's more a Toyota thing than a Zeibart thing. Galvanized Steel.

[@ManypossibilitiesGaoLY]

In the process of getting my new Toyota 4Runner done. Thanks for the video, btw your cute 😊

[@jeffreyzabawski4862]

Is this considered as a Rubberized Coating?

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi Jeff, our coating is an oil based permanent coating but it is not rubberized.

[@josephmclean515]

Hi I'm Joseph from northern Virginia where we use a lot of salt brine solution in the winter. I'm thinking about getting the Ziebart gold package for my car eventhough it's used. It's a 2018 Nissan Versa in like new shape. No rust, and I want to keep it as long as possible. Also when you apply diamond gloss do you also put it on the wheel covers? If not do the wheel cover and wheels get treated with anything? And what type of warranty would I get with a used car? Thank you

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi Joseph McLean, each location is individually owned and operated. It is best to call the location nearest to you to answer your questions. Some locations offer applying the Diamond Gloss (or other coatings) to the wheels depending on the condition and material. Best of luck!

[@dustbat]

Do like some hot rod owners once did. Buy a second car that runs but has no beauty or draw to you and drive that in bad weather. Just a clunker.

[@lunaticfringe8559]

It's permanent but you apply it yearly ?

[@Ziebartrochester]

That is correct, except we are not applying the full coating each year. We are inspecting the coating to ensure it is performing properly, looking for (and resolving) early signs of rust, and applying our coating to areas that have chipped off due to pot holes, stone chips, and other physical damage. Our product does not wash or run off like other options.

[@lunaticfringe8559]

@@Ziebartrochester I don't understand how creating a shell around the steel does not trap water which will then cause rust behind the treatment ?

[@Ziebartrochester]

@@lunaticfringe8559 Our coating creates a barrier against oxygen and water. Rust is the common name for iron oxide, a chemical com­pound that’s formed when iron is exposed to water and air. When moisture combines with the carbon monoxide in the air, this forms a weak carbonic acid that starts to break down the iron. At the same time, water is being broken down into its separate elements of hydrogen and oxygen. When the oxygen atoms meet and bond with the iron atoms, iron oxide - or rust - results. Ice-melting agents like road salt only help to speed up this chemical reaction from happening on your car’s undercarriage and other exposed areas. We have a bunch of really good blog posts on Ziebart.com, including information regarding our Limited Ten Year Full-Repair Nationwide Warranty on our Rust Protection (for qualifying vehicles).

[@micheldragon5080]

Good learning materials

[@therealzilla237]

I went there the other day

[@allenletizia321]

Never again would I go to ZieBart !!! Lost my truck frame broke in half.

[@Odiebutagoldie]

I have a 2007 h3 hummer with pretty heavy rusting can I still get this done?

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi Johnathan, I recommend stopping by a Ziebart location so that we can review the car together. There may be options to repair the rust before the application.

[@jimmylim5015]

Doesn't this material build in moisture and hasten the process of rusting and corroding the vehicle? Yeah, I'll pass

[@DanielFiorani1]

$10 can of fluid film does way better

[@Ifeanyi736]

Great video! I'm thinking of getting mine done, but must it be black rust proof color? No other color?

[@bradasbury7006]

That's a palisade isn't it?

[@steveelkins52]

That would probably negate the 12 year rust perforation warranty offered with new vehicles

[@Ziebartrochester]

Hi Steve, many manufacture corrosion warranties are automatically negated for vehicles that drive in salt. Please carefully read your warranty, it is more than likely to not be applicable if you live in New York or other areas that use salt on the road.

[@gmanning4881]

better load it up

[@DanielWilliams-qw8qp]

His hoist is all covered up because he doesn’t want this product on it! What does that tell you?

[@XtheUnknown99]

I once a fan and a much repeated customer. But they became one of the worst scammers. What needs to be stayed away from is Ziebart. Or you’ll be sorry… Just my actual experience reinforced by others.

[@XtheUnknown99]

PS. Why is their lift looking like it’s rusting away.

[@puckme16]

This is a great product, care about our car this get the areas that you will never look at

[@master_vator]

I just watched a video on the garbage, i woukdnt touch this stuff, ever, it hold moister in, rust from the inside out

[@TheRoadmaster82]

Hoist rusting!! 🤔

[@RRRR9278]

مال سحت

[@Ziebartrochester]

Pricing and promotions, such as free yearly resprays, vary from time to time and is not available nationwide. Please call your local store for current promotions and additional product information.

[@kato1140]

I would never spray that garbage on my vehicles !!!!!