The Menendez Brothers | Murder Made me Famous | Beyond Crime

[@at_2527]

This documentary does not even begin to show half of the evidence that was presented at trial. There is so much information left out. Abuse is very often a factor in parricides and the idea that both kids would kill two totally benign, wonderful parents is statistically implausible and factually untrue in this case. The brothers had an incredible amount of corroborating evidence, including photographs, medical records and 50+ witnesses to corroborate sexual, physical and psychological abuse . It's one thing to make claims about the parents, it's another to have so much corroborating evidence to back it up and to have almost the entire family of the dead parents back it up. Also, they had been told they were already out of the will long before the homicides by their father and they knew that their father's five million dollar life insurance policy was not in effect. They thought/knew they had nothing to inherit when they killed their parents! The prosecution also failed to get an indictment on murder for financial gain at the Grand Jury in 1992. Not surprisingly, this documentary decided to leave all this out since it didn't fit their narrative.

[@williamtobin7282]

B S

[@wambuialice957]

Well said

[@williamtobin7282]

To...At 25 Not making excauses for their act, but.... The day RODE THEM EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES... The mom didn't interview The boys were in jail over a year before their " STORY" came to light.. You say they stood to gain NO MONEY, YET spent 1 million dollars, on themselves and remained IN the parents house, until their arrest.. Your THEORY doesn't hold ANY water with me.. They're paying the price for not moving out and getting away from the PERFECTIONIST,old man..sad...but TRUE

[@williamtobin7282]

Sorry..TYPE O Ment to say THEIR DAD..Long day, today, lol

[@at_2527]

@@williamtobin7282 Their story was slowly coming out in bits and pieces to their jail psychiatrist over the course of many months shortly after they were arrested. It didn't just pop out of nowhere a year later. Other people also knew about the sexual abuse before the killings. And they had hard evidence that they could not have faked (e.g. photographs, medical records) Also it's not my theory. I watched the whole trial. The greed theory was debunked at the trial so much so that the prosecutors gave up arguing it in their final statements. The point is that they didn't know PRIOR to killing the parents that they stood to inherit the money. Carlos Baralt, the executor of the estate, testified that Jose had told him several months prior that he had told the brothers they were already disinherited. Marta Cano, Jose's sister, testified that she had tried to talk to the brothers about the money they were getting, shortly after the deaths, and they kept cutting her off saying that their dad took them out of the will and they weren't supposed to get anything. It later turned out Jose was bluffing and hadn't written a new one but the brothers and other family members had been led to believe there already was one and that it disinherited them. Also the brothers knew the father's 5 million dollar insurance policy was not in effect at the time they killed. They would have waited for that if they were actually killing for money. I realize it's an easy link between post -crime spending and motive for financial gain but it's not that simple in this case. I don't disagree that their father was a cruel perfectionist, but he was not ONLY that. There's evidence to support their sexual abuse claims in addition to all the other forms of abuse that went on. And it does not solely rely on the brothers' word.

[@wambuialice957]

For all the trauma they inflicted on the 2 boys, they are better off gone. The boys are better off in a real jail than traumatized at home

[@praisenga8139]

Stop these nonsense ! You don't kill your parents for any reason. They would have leave the house, or ask for help.

[@eliaol4231]

@@praisenga8139 do your research on abuse and you will understand

[@stevenprice6957]

Is there proof of abuse or are we going on the words of 2 killing brothers ?

[@eliaol4231]

@@stevenprice6957 I mean you can watch the whole 1st trial that's here on KZbin and find out for yourself what 50+ witnesses of the defense's case were saying...

[@belia73]

I’m guessing your comment was sarcasm … greed is what put them in prison and nothing ELSE

[@HettiedeKorteDiplomaat]

Poverty and financial problems are horrible and will make you worried every day and unhappy. But wealth without love is poverty too. Why didn’t those brothers leave and built their own lives. That was an option too. That would have been the brave thing to do. That’s some bad therapist, by the way.

[@originalbiscuit8543]

Wealth without love is poverty. Wow. No truer words have been spoken.

[@RafiqulIslam-vj9vi]

They Couldn't leave. They had a very controlling father who threatened to kill them if words got out. It's the parents who teach us to be safe and sound but when they are the ones who abuse the kids, there's no way out. Even then Lyle tried to bring Erik to Princeton with him but Jose said no.

[@MissMollysMumNz]

The good old "why didn't you just leave" comment 🙄 As a victim, these comments hurt the most. Like we stayed because we wanted to be mistreat.

[@galaxiancitizen851]

Even when you manage to leave as a fully grown adult, these types of abusive parents will stalk you, harrass you, denigrade you, call you constantly, threaten you, use both the sugar and the stick to manipulate you, make empty promises of good behaviour including offering money and items, and do anything they can to get you back under their thumbs. Such parents can drive you to have a mental and emotional breakdown. The combo is usually a violent, abusive father and covert (vulnerable) narc mom (who is only looking out for herself and even teams up with the father against the kids when she isn't playing the victim). While the parents are dysfunctional and have a terrible marriage - to the outside world they present themselves as normal and even friendly-social to strangers. These types of parents never leave you alone, no matter how old you are and they are unbelievably persistent, as they view their kids as their possessions. You can never be free of these types of abusive parents until the parents are in a home for the sick and elderly or dead. If you haven't lived this experience - you cannot understand what it's like. Even if not all kids of such parents end up killing them - such thoughts do cross your mind after you have endured decades of such abuse. If anyone is in such a situation, please try to move far away from the parents as it will give some relief but be prepared to handle stalking and all kinds of long distance abuse tactics.

[@AZ0986688]

They killed their parents for the inheritance and started spending money like crazy until they were arrested. They were bastards, no victims.

[@smnvo1129]

The sons admitted killing their parents. They were convicted 👍

[@jodypark8898]

I don't think the second trial was fair.

[@munchie3296]

It was not

[@speakthetruth995]

I have been following this case for many years and I know for sure they killed their parent due to life long sexual and mental abuse from the "father" and the mother never intervened to help them. The legal system failed these boys horribly. They should be released, they took matters in their own hands because their father had a lot clout.

[@pauljames9393]

Pre-meditated murder is a crime, a horrific crime regardless of what they "might" have endured. Are you crazy ??

[@laikiugarland1082]

they can always run away

[@patocampo9612]

Pp

[@patocampo9612]

1ppppp

[@ilnailsi5486]

Your statement is not correct, it’s one big BS.

[@ReactionBandit87]

The father sexualy abused both of them since they were children and the mother just swept it all under the rug. Just sickening what ppl with money can get away with. Guess the boys put a stop to all that.

[@peterbradshaw8018]

You believe that I have a White House to sell you.

[@abdulnaseer8017]

@@peterbradshaw8018 🤣🤣🤣 media can say anything to be honest I dont believe they were sexually abused, why is it almost every killer uses that as an excuse to escape from accountability. Some people are just born pure evil, nothing about being sexually abused by parents. Using parents as scapegoats is just pathetic

[@nchengeeyong8864]

You surely don't believe they were sexually abused do you? If yes , then unbelieve it please

[@at_2527]

@@nchengeeyong8864 the brothers had evidence to support their claims of sexual abuse. It's not wrong to believe something with evidence backing it up. Watch the actual trial, not this ridiculous documentary that left all that corroborating evidence out

[@nchengeeyong8864]

@@at_2527 what evidence? These two people murdered their parents and blew a million USD within a month of their parents death and you think they were in danger? Thank God you were not on of the jurors lol

[@blondecat666]

Somebody killed my parents! 911 operator: What? Who? 😀

[@lindiwekubu8846]

Right 😀😀

[@crimedramadvdhotspot7720]

Wtf Couldn't even understanding What he was on about

[@jocelynastheart2732]

I am sorry but..murder is murder! they had choices the two spoiled sons! they were adults! they took the skanky way out!

[@jcmorton899]

I hope you or your familiy isnt victim to abuse

[@SHLVinc3]

The mother was evil and didn't have a single motherly touch.

[@metalheadfromslovakia]

One of the worst “documentaries” I’ve watched. So full of misinformation and heavily biased.

[@Wtfclfr]

Right.

[@ms.kurauzvione2944]

Broo

[@jbooks888]

Oh right, and you would know because in your last life you were a fly on the wall for 20 years in their house and you saw everything, right? YOU KNOW NOTHING!

[@metalheadfromslovakia]

@@jbooks888 calm down dude.

[@jbooks888]

@@metalheadfromslovakia Ha ha ha - I'm calm, dudette, I just exposed your folly. The bottom line is they killed both their parents😁. Sooooooo

[@georgemargaritis2392]

I was abused by my parents and yet i never killed anybody. I don’t believe their defense but even if it is true it's not a reason to kill.

[@Tamarahope77]

Their defense wasn't that they killed because of the abuse. That's what the prosecution wanted to claim, particularly in the first trial, because there was so much evidence of the abuse. The position of the defense team was that they acted in "imperfect self-defense", which is an unreasonable but sincere belief that your life is being threatened and you kill to avoid being killed. It wasn't hard to convince both juries in the first trial that there was enough reasonable doubt to the prosecution's case because the brothers said that Jose had many times threatened to kill them if they exposed his abuse. So when Lyle said he knew about Erik, and that if Jose didn't stop touching Erik, he would tell everyone, Jose became menacing. He threw Erik on the bed and Erik had to run away. So it was believable that the brothers thought the father would kill them.

[@darthdennis6681]

A face slapper so experienced he can slap one face so hard the other face can feel it...DAAAAAM!

[@nikkoracela]

If you watch it closely, he slapped them both simultaneously with his left and right hand

[@andysaunders3708]

Would have been better just to run away with the parent's credit cards, or something...

[@abdulnaseer8017]

I said the same thing smh . Like why kill them .

[@abdulnaseer8017]

@Mmm Ee they deserved it because?

[@peterbradshaw8018]

Some one said they the brothers presented convincing evidence of abuse. Why not sue the parents for al they are worth. Get the money and double revenge. I doubt the evidence was there to begin with in all likelihood it was manufactured after the murders took place.

[@RafiqulIslam-vj9vi]

Actually, Lyle tried to get Erik out of the house. He wanted take Erik to Princeton but the father said no. They were in LA at the time and Jose wanted Erik to go to ucla instead, It's easier for him to be around. They had back to back argument over this and Jose threatened to kill them if words got out. They tried getting out. They Couldn't

[@Zety-476]

How come the therapist didn’t say anything about the sexual abuse ? They never told him? They confessed to him about the murder

[@limiaa744]

They never confessed to sexual abuse because it never happened

[@jcmorton899]

​@@limiaa744 were you there? No? Ok then stfu

[@MrsNsf74]

I have doubts due to thw fact they did not say anything about the sexual abuse too.

[@chiarastagliano4090]

bc of judgemental assholes like you, they were abused and feel shame and feel like no one would believe them bc they are boys, and are justice system proved they are right. Apparently you tell a grown woman she looks nice at work and it sexual harrasment, but parents are child molestor to their son and no one gives a shit its sick

[@jadeybaby007]

They never told the psychiatrist. The sexual abuse probably did happen when both were children however the abuse wasn’t the motive for murder. The motive was the money and power.

[@rooh4338]

Ppl are calling them spoil brat but why no one is talking about sexual abuse by there own father and mother knew it that's they killed both parents

[@gqakathemagazine6111]

Bollocks, the mum would have also been a victim too the tyrant father. She was no threat

[@curoseba5363]

I do think they felt abused. They didn’t have to do this. But they were abused. No one could kill others like that if there wasn’t hate. Hate doesn’t not come out of no where. They don’t seem like violent kids. This looks like a crime of passion

[@stevenprice6957]

It was planned an a execution. It was for money nothing else

[@StellaAdler_]

Felt abused? Well their father forced them to give him oral sex and regular sex, their mother tortured them. “Felt abused” 😳 Jesus. Wake up

[@ZaklinDimitrijevic]

They did It for MONEY.

[@jensenapt6669]

I’ve never heard a strong young man who was sexually abused could not even just leave their parents. Even a 14 year old kid know how to handle this situation. They killed their parents for money and hatred that their father “controlled” them because of their mischievous behavior such as stealing, cheating and laziness.

[@gqakathemagazine6111]

Yep and what threat was the mum. No threat to them at all. She was just a barrier to the money

[@dropbearkellyevehammond4446]

You've (THANKFULLY )obviously not been sexually abused by a parent or parental figure. You don't know what you or anybody else would do in this disgusting and horrific situation. I'm glad that you don't know this personally. It causes ppl to often get violent or even want to kill their abusers and anyone they feel had let them down or not protected them, such as the other parent.

[@scheezy]

You are a disgusting individual with no empathy or respect to people who have been abused by family members or adults. Shame on you for being so judgemental towards people who have suffered more than you have.

[@allymayful]

Such an expert with so little knowledge!!!

[@lawrencemaweu]

After all this, they still lost it all...

[@kumba821]

If the abuse was true why not use that defence from the beginning??

[@allymayful]

Don’t you understand the damage that abuse does to children’s brain and development.

[@taniaconnor1442]

No matter how your parents treat you, that doesn't mean that you need to kill them. Get a job work hard and stay away from them. Nobody needs to kill

[@liviamilly2945]

« Stay away from them » easy to say when your father isn’t this powerful man That have been controlling you for when you were 6 years old

[@allymayful]

So simple to say - if you have no idea.

[@AZ0986688]

They were both money greedy adults..come on..

[@liviamilly2945]

🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@stephenrafter1980]

Until you walk in my shoes, you will never know. I'd say the father was saying that to the boys very regularly. Maybe that's why the shoes were worn at the father's funeral.

[@SHLVinc3]

The evidence showed that they spent as much as they did when the parent were alive. But ok...

[@soulshaker205]

Their dad had cut them off. They weren’t spending that kind of money when they were alive. They were robbing houses in Calabasas

[@SHLVinc3]

@soulshaker205 what about before he cut them off? They were spending a lot... there is no documented evidence of the brothers being financially cut off. Or do you mean that they got cut off from the will after the robberies? Cuz there is a testimony of Carlos Baralt saying that Jose was to take the brothers off the will in June-July of 1989 ....the robberies were in the summer of 1988.

[@SHLVinc3]

@soulshaker205 and before they were cut off how much did they spend? Either way do you mean taken off the will? Cuz the robberies were in summer of 88 and Carlos Baralt testified that josè told him that the brothers were gonna be taken off the will in june-july of 89.

[@ayerese]

I hope this case will be on Netflix

[@michaal105]

Looks like it will be.

[@shadowinlight7]

Looks like it is! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJS7mGVunqacgq8

[@adrianahewett9557]

@@michaal105it is

[@Aziza_cute]

It is now

[@homeygumi]

I'm glad they got convicted

[@mrmiyagi6742]

Bottom line they killed for the money,. You really think the guys who murdered their parents would have a problem with telling lies in court

[@smnvo1129]

I agree: if the sons said they were abused, they could leave home at 18 years old.

[@nejlababali7901]

Not everyone can leave, it's not that easy speak for yourself, not others .

[@barbarabreunis7788]

Their dad said he would kill them/Lyle if he would speak up about the sexual abuse going on with Erik. Since José didn't want to stop abusing Erik, and Lyle got angry and said he would tell on his father, they feared for their lives. Not so strange, given the fact that their father had already injured his kids before due to his violent behavior.

[@nejlababali7901]

@@barbarabreunis7788 l do believe that they really feared for their lives, they’re father assaulted another boy age 13, a real sicko

[@adrianahewett9557]

@@nejlababali7901he was a pedo

[@LawrenceOleanderLuvr]

I have watched many versions of this story. But this version tackled botb sides of the story.

[@thepianoplayer416]

Part of the problem was the easy access to the family inheritance. The nice jewelry & fast cars the boys thought they were entitled to came and went. The boys could have used some of the money to set up a charity or trust fund in their parents' honor to look more like they're grieving for their loss. The last statement that they chose not to leave home sums up everything. Not sure if the 2 brothers would want to look for a job and pay their own living expenses instead of staying in the mansion with their parents' inheritance.

[@streaming5332]

Exactly, they could have moved far away from the parents. They chose prison instead.

[@minhtamang8142]

You just don't get it.

[@liviamilly2945]

Y’all are really just dumb

[@maggieroland8343]

Spoilt brats .

[@stephanieanderson2263]

This is just my opinion, you can tell there was some kind of abuse going on behind closed doors. Lyle and Erik belong in jail for what they did to their parents. They could have just moved out of the home instead of killing their parents

[@Tamarahope77]

You think they didn't try?

[@smnvo1129]

Now that both parents are dead, the 2 sons lied, they could say anything they wanted.

[@nejlababali7901]

What about the overwhelming evidence in the first trial with photos of the boys naked taken by their dad

[@AZ0986688]

The idiots who thought their shrink wouldn't tell the police about their murdering their parents for money, inheritance..haha! They will die where they belong, in prison for life.

[@SHLVinc3]

Btw the script was written by the mother too not only the two boys

[@soulshaker205]

Cold blooded killers

[@gqakathemagazine6111]

Don’t believe the sexual abuse claims.

[@munchie3296]

It is true tho

[@cventer838]

Oh, wow! Pack up your bags and leave! To much preasure to achieve, is NOT healthy! Kids should be allowed to be kids and teens need space and love and encouragement! Slapping, insulting, and not teaching your kids to be independent is the recipe for disaster. Poor kids are definitely victims of cruel parenting! What can you expect to come out from such a situation. The boys should have asked their parents if they could live independently in a flat, to grow up and become independent! They must have been riled up with anger and hatred. It's a pity they chose this course of action. Their mother was also a victim of circumstances! Rather live a little bit more humble, have less, enjoy your kids, be balanced and happy!

[@galaxiancitizen851]

Even when you manage to leave as a fully grown adult, these types of abusive parents will stalk you, harrass you, denigrade you, call you constantly, threaten you, use both the sugar and the stick to manipulate you, make empty promises of good behaviour including offering money and items, and do anything they can to get you back under their thumbs. Such parents can drive you to have a mental and emotional breakdown. The combo is usually a violent, abusive father and covert (vulnerable) narc mom (who is only looking out for herself and even teams up with the father against the kids when she isn't playing the victim). While the parents are dysfunctional and have a terrible marriage - to the outside world they present themselves as normal and even friendly-social to strangers. These types of parents never leave you alone, no matter how old you are and they are unbelievably persistent, as they view their kids as their possessions. You can never be free of these types of abusive parents until the parents are in a home for the sick and elderly or dead. If you haven't lived this experience - you cannot understand what it's like. Even if not all kids of such parents end up killing them - such thoughts do cross your mind after you have endured decades of such abuse. If anyone is in such a situation, please try to move far away from the parents as it will give some relief but be prepared to handle stalking and all kinds of long distance abuse tactics.

[@zanetamatjacic7595]

Beyond crime..you are The Best.

[@smnvo1129]

The parents looked kind, nice ones.

[@nejlababali7901]

Are you sure don't forget looks can be deceiving

[@barbarabreunis7788]

Hitler had his days too. How someone looks on a photo says nothing.

[@MizzMetallikat76]

Looks are irrelevant

[@josunshine3072]

What trauma? The trauma of never having to be accountable for any of their bad behaviour because daddy will take care of it like he always does? Rich ppl problems boo hoo. They claim they were sexually abused but they didn't hesitate to spend their "abuser's" money though. Another thing, they confessed to the killing to their family therapist, why couldn't they just as calmly confessed about the sexual abuse? Additionally, I find that people in the US are always so quick to call discipline "abuse"

[@galaxiancitizen851]

Even when you manage to leave as a fully grown adult, these types of abusive parents will stalk you, harrass you, denigrade you, call you constantly, threaten you, use both the sugar and the stick to manipulate you, make empty promises of good behaviour including offering money and items, and do anything they can to get you back under their thumbs. Such parents can drive you to have a mental and emotional breakdown. The combo is usually a violent, abusive father and covert (vulnerable) narc mom (who is only looking out for herself and even teams up with the father against the kids when she isn't playing the victim). While the parents are dysfunctional and have a terrible marriage - to the outside world they present themselves as normal and even friendly-social to strangers. These types of parents never leave you alone, no matter how old you are and they are unbelievably persistent, as they view their kids as their possessions. You can never be free of these types of abusive parents until the parents are in a home for the sick and elderly or dead. If you haven't lived this experience - you cannot understand what it's like. Even if not all kids of such parents end up killing them - such thoughts do cross your mind after you have endured decades of such abuse. If anyone is in such a situation, please try to move far away from the parents as it will give some relief but be prepared to handle stalking and all kinds of long distance abuse tactics.

[@elainewalmsley1217]

Men/boys do not easily discuss sexual abuse, in fact many women don't either. It is an overwhelming shame and humiliation that is extreme abuse. If you ever experience such you would know that

[@adrianahewett9557]

You are sick

[@Kkayy020]

What did the mom ever do tho? Smh

[@galaxiancitizen851]

Even when you manage to leave as a fully grown adult, these types of abusive parents will stalk you, harrass you, denigrade you, call you constantly, threaten you, use both the sugar and the stick to manipulate you, make empty promises of good behaviour including offering money and items, and do anything they can to get you back under their thumbs. Such parents can drive you to have a mental and emotional breakdown. The combo is usually a violent, abusive father and covert (vulnerable) narc mom (who is only looking out for herself and even teams up with the father against the kids when she isn't playing the victim). While the parents are dysfunctional and have a terrible marriage - to the outside world they present themselves as normal and even friendly-social to strangers. These types of parents never leave you alone, no matter how old you are and they are unbelievably persistent, as they view their kids as their possessions. You can never be free of these types of abusive parents until the parents are in a home for the sick and elderly or dead. If you haven't lived this experience - you cannot understand what it's like. Even if not all kids of such parents end up killing them - such thoughts do cross your mind after you have endured decades of such abuse. If anyone is in such a situation, please try to move far away from the parents as it will give some relief but be prepared to handle stalking and all kinds of long distance abuse tactics.

[@Cove999]

Abused them their whole life!! Let it happen and didn’t do anything to stop the father!!

[@QueenE31]

The parents raised 2 brats that didn’t have to be accountable for anything. They may as well have pulled their own trigger.

[@bosshogg690]

Thats crazy he was murdered in Augest 20th and I'm watching it on the same day

[@ioanaanaoi8232]

the father was a monster and he raised two more. Let's be thankfull that the two didn't killed their neighbors as they did with their robbery hobby.

[@tnt01]

I don't think Erik was the shrouder and more intelligent of the two brothers, I think it was the other way way around.

[@revalesq]

Dr Özil needs to lose their license.

[@at_2527]

I believe he did lose his license due to his behaviour in this case and many other ethical violations he had committed.

[@RafiqulIslam-vj9vi]

He lost his license

[@lucylovic]

Greed motivated

[@Bleu-en2bf]

If their parents were hard on them, it is understandable why they did this. There are better options though, if you are ever in this situation. I feel compassion for the whole family. 😔

[@PeaceLove982]

Forced to give his father a blow job while his mother listened.. and ignored for years

[@freshouttafucksforever698]

i dont lol these freaks got what they deserve and hopefully they’re burning in hell

[@MissMollysMumNz]

'hard on them' 😳 wow

[@nchengeeyong8864]

I am glad they got convicted.Fabricated defence.

[@smnvo1129]

Even the parents are strict, it’s not an excuse to kill their parents.

[@liviamilly2945]

« Strict » is an interesting word to say when referring to what they did 🤣

[@smnvo1129]

The women who married the sons are mentally sick.

[@ELcharo10]

Women☕️

[@nathashapanditha1750]

Why

[@Jen-e-sis]

@@nathashapanditha1750it legit needs to be explained to you? 😂 wow

[@nathashapanditha1750]

@@Jen-e-sis what do you mean

[@Jen-e-sis]

@@nathashapanditha1750 anyone who can murder their parents the people who brought them into this world, probably wouldn’t have any shame in doing that to their partners

[@zedkay5145]

One can't trust this brother's completely

[@watermelonice964]

They were definitely not privileged brothers.Nothing about their life was something to be envious about.

[@jos6232]

These people talking inbetwen make the docu boring but this Pamela prosecutor or what she is , how can she be so sure?of course it must have been real sick upbringing an family if the sons ended up killing those parents This woman should work at the justice system.

[@mirror0images]

prosecutors always believe their case, even when their proven wrong

[@nejlababali7901]

Agree

[@smnvo1129]

It was murder! Not self défense.

[@benshaw7660]

I know I hate all the comments from women saying the boys are innocent let them free

[@boleslawjasinski2156]

I dont know 2 say its aaaaaaa? Feel sorry for them ,,,but??? Killing their parents?

[@IshakuIbrahimTure-on9zv]

Better for your child/children to be spoil outside than at home by their parents. The result is usually what transpired here.

[@smnvo1129]

I don’t believe that the father sexually abused the sons. The sons are liars.

[@lindaanderson6780]

I can't believe how many people believe their bullshit defence! They may have been treated harshly by their father but he also got them out of trouble so they didn't ever pay for stealing & other criminal behaviour! These guys shot their parents cos of sheer greed - they wanted the money! The spending spree behaviour & the death threats made to the therapist proves what sort of people they were! I don't believe one word of their bullshit!

[@moviemonster2083]

I believe in this case, whatever abuse suffered from the father was not essential to the story, except that some of that abuse was in raising amoral, narcissistic, conscienceless murderers and parricides. The excuse of 'abuse' as a precondition for murder of the supposed abuser just doesn't wash. From what I've seen of cases like these, the abused by definition DON'T commit murder, not even in self-defense, not usually. That's what the abuser does. I'm sorry, abuse is just another false alibi to exonerate murderers, from Lizzie Borden on down. And, like with Scott Peterson, their subsequent behavior after the crime and what we find out they arranged before the crime, demonstrated further their psychopathy. If it had been in any way 'self-defensive due to abuse' they wouldn't have set up this lying conspiracy; once again, it's not what the 'abused' do. It's what murderers do. Eric announced their motive in that screenplay: they wanted to murder their parents for the insurance money. It was not 'abuse' that made them do that. It was a narcissist's greed and psychopathy. Just like their post-murder spending sprees. The conscienceless, shallow, vulgar satisfaction of stupid desires for luxury typical of these types.

[@galaxiancitizen851]

Even when you manage to leave as a fully grown adult, these types of abusive parents will stalk you, harrass you, denigrade you, call you constantly, threaten you, use both the sugar and the stick to manipulate you, make empty promises of good behaviour including offering money and items, and do anything they can to get you back under their thumbs. Such parents can drive you to have a mental and emotional breakdown. The combo is usually a violent, abusive father and covert (vulnerable) narc mom (who is only looking out for herself and even teams up with the father against the kids when she isn't playing the victim). While the parents are dysfunctional and have a terrible marriage - to the outside world they present themselves as normal and even friendly-social to strangers. These types of parents never leave you alone, no matter how old you are and they are unbelievably persistent, as they view their kids as their possessions. You can never be free of these types of abusive parents until the parents are in a home for the sick and elderly or dead. If you haven't lived this experience - you cannot understand what it's like. Even if not all kids of such parents end up killing them - such thoughts do cross your mind after you have endured decades of such abuse. If anyone is in such a situation, please try to move far away from the parents as it will give some relief but be prepared to handle stalking and all kinds of long distance abuse tactics.

[@manonlaviggne1085]

I don’t believe a word they say

[@devitasitorus1139]

I rlly don’t understand this case. I want to believe that they were abused but something seems off. I watched this case million times and I still don’t know which one is the truth…

[@munchie3296]

Dig a little more, there are many many evidences coming out that their father is indeed a depraved pedophile

[@nejlababali7901]

Even with the evidence in the first trial

[@iwantthe80sback59]

Didn’t believe them back then. Still don’t. But gotta hand it to their lawyer:; to get not just one, but TWO hung juries was pretty amazing work on her part.

[@munchie3296]

Except the judge and the jury did them wrong

[@nejlababali7901]

Agree

[@ashgreene4914]

She pulled a rabit out of the hat for that one. She knows how to work the system hence why she is an elite lawyer.

[@joelleoman2126]

They would have traded all their weakth to live in a poor household with loving parents who didn't abuse them. Sexual abuse is not an excuse!

[@smnvo1129]

Both parents are dead, the 2 sons could fabricate any untrue story.

[@liviamilly2945]

How?? With all the évidences y’all are just dump

[@RY-fe3rt]

These OTT reenactments are equally criminal! 😁

[@stephaniegrasley9657]

I wanna know who puts blueberries in their ice cream?

[@smnvo1129]

The sons are demons.

[@chioma.o.greatjoy]

Sometimes, I watch these true crime stories and I think I wasn't even born when these things happened. It tells us that the world is filled with evil and is not going to end anytime soon, so the lesson is to be watchful at all times. Also, the Bible admonishes parents not to provoke their children. Parenting is not for everyone, don't have children when you know you are not going to be loving, patient, and kind to them.

[@avarmauk]

Nobody gives two shits what the Bible says. I mean it’s such a stupid persons book. I’ll give you one example Adam and Eve had two children, Ken and Abel. Then what? Ken or Abel fked their mother to give rise to mankind?

[@fantafofana3840]

The defence was fake

[@namrathasaldanha3977]

@chioma I can totally relate to what u say. Parents should only have kids if they will do justice

[@gaulanna1431]

In the end they did it for the money. Getting rid of toxic parents was a cherry on top.

[@Huntrs27]

Bullshit

[@ibrahim-oc7tn]

They didnt

[@tayyibaakram9755]

Second trial was NOT a fair trial u mean

[@Cove999]

💯💯

[@jamesotayza2230]

The questions here always boil down to why they did it and who is to blame. I think its obvious why they did it. But who to blame is not that cut and dried. IMO, both parents and boys are to blame. By covering up his kids' transgressions, they were actually creating monsters. Protecting family reputation came before his kids. There was no nurturing here. The family facade was just that. A facade.

[@PeaceLove982]

and the generations of sexual abuse that was ignored - child abuse horrific.

[@esshor.]

Terribly acted

[@innocentmdw5587]

They need to rott in jail..The parents are not available to give their part of the story..

[@unstoppable39]

The parents from Hell. Had this crime been committed and trialled today, I believe the outcome would have been dramatically different. I also strongly believe that they were denied a fair second trial and that the exclusion of crucial abuse evidence denied Erik and Lyle the opportunity to fully present their case, further undermining the fairness of their conviction.

[@veronika1598]

this sooo prosecution biased.. one of the worst documentary I've seen about this case.

[@khristinesworld]

80's? I was in the US in the 90's when these brothers news broke down. Along with the JUICE news. Oh well... Jurassic Park mode :)

[@Wildrover82]

Sometimes Mom and Dad gotta go. Free Erik and Lyle.✊

[@jos6232]

The title murder made them famous is very bad as it can give ideas to other potential murderers ,to become... famous.

[@jennibarnes140]

The simplistic remarks are overlooking the genetic possibilities, grandpa Menedez SAd dad, dad SAd son, son SAd brother. Should brother have been murdered too? Why should a pedo be let out of prison? Consideration needs to be placed on why they refuse to have a diagnostic assessment. ODD, a neuro diversity, in childhood leads to psychopathy/sociopathy, it is genetic and exceptionally dangerous if left untreated in the early years of childhood. The arrogance, lies, retribution point toward, at the very least, the need for a full psychiatric assessment.

[@FergieVlogJM]

The crime could have been resolved from early but unprofessional police and flawed court operations prevented that from happening.

[@fatimaal-easa6254]

i been abused by my mother before but not anything like that and i still understand how they may had fell Im not saying killing is okay but they did of self defence these brothers dont deserve to be in jail their parents does they have been in jail more than enough They dont deserve this! Free them!!!

[@Thegoods88]

That lady what a snitch

[@aspfalt9gta982]

Hey there the other two who did the same in D.C after went to Canada i forget the name they also went for a movie and get out from the fire exit door---Sebastian was the one ...sickening!

[@ilnailsi5486]

People are so naive and believe all the BS brothers told to defend themselves. Unbelievable.

[@peterbradshaw8018]

They did a hatchet job on the parents. Just remember they will say anything to rationalize the horrible thing they did.

[@SHLVinc3]

Imperfect self-defence. That should have been their sentence. Not first degree murder but imperfect self-defence that is what the evidence clearly showed. But gender bias was and apparently still is a problem. Cuz that don't happen lil rich Hollywood boys right? And if you don't know what I mean I mean incestuous acts, torture, brainwashing and watch the trial!

[@munchie3296]

The thing is they were not making things up, there are evidences coming out of their father being a depraved pedophile.

[@jensenapt6669]

What the kids said to the psychologist is the true motivation. Sexual abuse is taught by the lawyer.

[@stevenprice6957]

Exactly

[@Muirmaiden]

You mean the theories that the psychologist came up with and the brothers just agreed with him?

[@SatieSatie]

No... their older cousin publicly talked about what she had witnessed of the sexual abuse that Lyle suffered when he was still a kid.

[@Tamarahope77]

@@SatieSatie Yeah, family members spoke about it. In fact, 50 witnesses testified for the defense. Apart from the police, the main people who testified for the prosecution were Oziel, who was shown to be dishonest, friends of Lyle, whose stories were all torn apart on the stand, the gardener who was there part-time, and the maid who didn't speak or understand English. That's why the jury was hung - the prosecution didn't present a tight case beyond reasonable doubt.

[@fairhonestjustice7918]

They're evil but big evil is Eric

[@fairhonestjustice7918]

@Mmm Ee who made this situation isn't it that Eric

[@RafiqulIslam-vj9vi]

Jose is the evil one

[@revalesq]

Next video please work on someone more intelligent than thinking that Elm Drive is in a horror movie. Linda Deutsch can't be a decent reporter if they think that.

[@wholeagain]

Well elm st

[@revalesq]

@@wholeagain My point exactly....like that film about Mulholland alley.

[@leanderrowe2800]

Two spoiled rich kids can't wait to inherit.

[@SHLVinc3]

Ok can't watch anymore I'm going to watch the full trail thanks.

[@barbarabreunis7788]

It's like they never did any research when they made this. Did they only read the gossip page? Ridiculous.

[@Virginnia]

The Menendez Men shouldn't have tried the sexual abuse route. That's when I judged them guilty.

[@RafiqulIslam-vj9vi]

What route? They revealed why and how they decided to murder their parents.

[@Virginnia]

@@RafiqulIslam-vj9vi I did not believe their claims of sexual abuse because I've seen and met abused children. Plus the other information. We are all entitled to express our opinions Rafiqui.

[@liviamilly2945]

@@Virginniahave you been abused tho to assume That they are liars

[@smnvo1129]

I don’t believe the parents traumatized the 2 sons.

[@munchie3296]

You should, there are evidences coming out that their father is indeed a depraved Pedophile.

[@nejlababali7901]

I do

[@AZ0986688]

Of course they didn't..they even admitted to their shrink they killed them for the money. This "doc" is rubbish.

[@maxirossi3143]

me neither

[@limiaa744]

Me neither they were spoiled brats

[@SHLVinc3]

Omg why have they cut the screaming of erik there was much much more screaming. As in panic scream. Not like the DA wants you to hear this this bs

[@SHLVinc3]

@@aleksandrac9335 watch the trail ! Then come back to me. Or show me the evidence that they weren't abused!

[@SHLVinc3]

@@aleksandrac9335 I'm naive I've watched every testimony every wittness. How am I the naive one if I actually did the research. Do u have pictures of your kids genials? If you do you deserve prison like José and Kitty deserve, instead they got killed by the "Monsters" or product of abuse that they themselves created. You are naive. Have you watched the trail? Come back with a better answer then "your naive" after you have gone through every single minute of it. And if you still belive they were 'acting" I hope you don't treat your kids like josè did. Maybe you would like to be hung on a monkey bar at 1 year old and not knowing if daddy was gonna save you or not. You piss me off. Do the research and look at the evidence. before you open your fucking mouth

[@SHLVinc3]

@@aleksandrac9335 watch the trail. You are the naive one. What if Erik's name was Erika would you believe them then? Cuz you should!!

[@SHLVinc3]

@@aleksandrac9335 start here and continue watching the trail and when you are done let me know if yoh keep kiddy genital pics in your 6th b day party album! kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqXIc6GJntd2rdE

[@jyoti2446]

Menendez brother should be out of prison,they have had enough for what they did.

[@sspedersen]

infamous is not a word anymore why ?