Behringer 369-KT vs Neve 33609/J. Round 2!

[@SylvanPaul]

If you really want to hear the difference between what’s going on in these units go to the mixbuss part between 8:00-9:00. That’s where he starts to get them balanced against each other. Listen to what happens to the guitars when it’s switched from Behringer to Neve. Then listen to what happens to the low end in the middle image when you switch from Behringer to Neve. Then listen to what happens to the combination of the guitars and the low end when you switch from Behringer to Neve. Here’s what I hear (for whoever gives a shit): The Neve makes the signal wider, and retains more low mids, more life, and more color in the guitars, while simultaneously maintaining the solidity, separation and image clarity of the low end. The Behringer eats up a lot of low mid and low info, and narrows the stereo image slightly (relative to the Neve). The guitars lose their fullness, lose a little bit of their width, and the low end loses quite a bit of fullness and roundness. There is also quite a difference in the saturation characteristics. At first listen, it seems like the Neve is almost muddier, but as he matches the time constants a little more you hear the transient info glue with the body of the mix more on the Neve and the guitars sound more colorful and richer. The Behringer really pushes the snare forward and a little more definition and color come into the high mids, and that top end lift and low end thinning are reminiscent of ITB compression. That said, the actual time constants sound identical. So if you simply adore that specific aspect of the OG, I guess getting the Behringer would be a good move. My personal opinion is you could spend that money more effectively. The only reason these units are being cloned so much now is because it’s slightly more esoteric than a G-Buss and some other iconic units that have been endlessly cloned. This is an uninteresting compression sound imo. The whole point of using Neve is the tone. The tone isn’t there on the Behringer. It’s simple as that. If you don’t care about the tone then why exactly would you buy this thing? Here’s the real skinny: stop buying clones unless they’re high end clones. I don’t even think the Heritage Audio 33609 sounds that great. None of this gear will make you a better engineer. You still need to know how to mix. The vintage units are overpriced, but when you get your hands on a proper piece of analog hardware compared to a literally cheap knock-off, the benefits are obvious. Invest in things you can use over and over again on a mix. This compressor design is not flexible whatsoever. It’s good on drums and mixbuss primarily. This is a luxury piece of kit, not an essential. Highly recommend investing in a preamp in the same price range. Tracking/running all your shit through that will do acres more for your mix than one instance of either of these.

[@jonathancrowell4648]

This helps so much thank you! I’ve gotten to the point where I know what I use in EVERY mix and I want to start getting that hardware to include in my workflow, and I use a 33609 on almost every mix. I may just wait to actually spend the money on a real one.

[@hithere4289]

blah blah blah they sound identical dont try to paint with grey paint saying words like "warmer", "fuller", "more life" just stop. those are differences your mind makes up and inclines towards the more expensive unit. some would say the "fuller" sound you mentioned means it is "muddier" so its just a matter of taste and difference in flavors. truth is either of the two works wonders and will make your mix sound amazing

[@vadimcanby4146]

I've been in the game a bit, 25 + years. You are dead on

[@SylvanPaul]

@@hithere4289 i’m not sure you read my comment fully because I actually said don’t buy either of them lol

[@Subtronik]

@@hithere4289 all of my 5 synths and 2 drum machines are Behringer. I’m a huge fan of everything they do. SylvanPaul mades some extremely accurate observations. Buy the OG if you can… but if you can’t, buy the clone and get on with your life.

[@chrislink73]

Now I want to hear you shootout the new Behringer 1073 clone vs a real one. I have a 1073dpx unit but was thinking of getting a second one for guitars -- if the Behringer is close enough I would probably get it for like $3,000 less.

[@OliverShillito]

Right?! I have a 1073 or two at the tracking studio. Might be worth a shout!

[@chrislink73]

@@OliverShillito I think a lot of people would be interested in that shootout (myself included!)

[@Studio22mix]

I was looking for an analog pre/eq and was thinking buying the Heritage Audio HA73EQx2 Elite which is 1799 euro. I'm definitely going to pre-order the 1273 because most of the magic is in the transformers imo and they sound good. Also bought the 369 so for 1138 euro I can have both which is pretty amazing imo

[@RSala-rr6ct]

I'm not sure why Behringer always gets such a bad rap. I was doing some recording in the studio in the basement of the Capitol Records building in Hollywood years ago and they had dozens of Behringer compressors in a huge rack. The engineer told me that when researching their purchase they looked at the technical diagrams first and then conducted a spectro-analysis of the equipment against units costing thousands more and found no disadvantage in the Behringer gear. None. In the end they went with Behringer for a savings of tens of thousands of dollars. That is something I'll never forget.

[@Studio22mix]

@@RSala-rr6ct I hope they keep delivering so we can use it for a decent price, I can't afford high-end gear because I need lots of it. If it works and it sounds good that it's fine for me. 😀

[@Rhuggins]

I totally agree with your findings. Tons of people on Gearsapce were claiming they could "clearly" hear the differences - so I posted a blind test and almost everyone got it dead wrong. I will say that people seemed to adjust their attitude quickly thereafter, but it has devolved a bit again lol. All that being said, I will likely go with the new audioscape version :)

[@OliverShillito]

And that will also be an amazing unit without question! I am trying to get my hands on one to review so watch this space!

[@leftmono1016]

People listen with their eyes. You proved that. This is exactly why manufacturers of expensive gear never do blind tests.

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

audioscape does a MUCH better job! the best clones out there are by audioscape and stam audio. behringer is not even close. it's like warm audio level which isn't a great value at all! also i can very much hear a difference that irks me. it probably won't be as noticeable in a mix and no client will likely complain about using the behringer, but it may create more work in certain workflows. I may not pay for a neve unit, but i'll continue using the UAD plugin version as the harshness during the release in some areas (like with the drums) was really off putting to me.

[@OliverShillito]

That’s fair enough! It won’t be for everyone. Appreciate the comment!

[@legacyShredder1]

Did you do a null test? I have no issues with a bunch of nobodies on Gearslutz failing a blind test, because most of the people on there suck at engineering anyway. Few people understand compression while even fewer can really hear it unless there's drastic changes. These two units won't null, they won't come even close to it. The triggering threshold is wildly different between the two. I'm not saying the cheap one is bad, but I am saying there is an audible difference. There's a frequency range difference, the timing threshold is different, and the distortion characteristics are different. The cheap one is triggering off a lower frequency which clamps down on the low end, and the release is a magnitude slower hence the overtones in the midrange while the Neve doesn't have any. The Neve can release super fast or slower, but the same can't be said for the other. I'm not calling Behringer bad. I'm just saying it's not the same or indistinguishable. The whole purpose of a 33609 is to round off transients to fit more audio information on a piece of magnetic tape and vinyl. The Behringer is letting more transients through, and they're still clipping. If people like that character, awesome, but lets not say it's the same.

[@hiki2853]

I prefer the Neve for the rounder low end, but holy smokes that is close. Really excited for all this new Behringer hardware and I'm also taking a hard look at the Klark Teknik stuff they've built as well.

[@RJ1J]

The Neve is catching the snare much better as well.

[@alessio912]

Klark Teknik. HO IL COMPRESSORE VALVOLARE E L'EQ VALVOLARE. L'EQ FA SCHIFO L'HO MESSO DENTRO INO SCAFFALE, SE VUOI TE LO REGALO. IN COMPRESSORE VA BENE MA NON MI PIACE, ANCHPESSO MESSO DENTRO LO SCAFFALE. L'HO USATO PER TRE ANNI, ADESSO PASSO AL BEHRINGER 369

[@toslinked]

their take on the la2a is really good, the 1176 not so much.

[@RJ1J]

What is interesting is that the Klark Teknik compressor has a similar sound to this Behringer. More open and much less saturation. My guess the savings are in the quality of certain transistors. Would be good to do a tear down of both.

[@turbine3780]

@@toslinkedthey’re perfect for all buttons in still🫠

[@rlb303]

I was going to say that on the drums the Behringer sounds more "spikey" on the transients and the Neve has a rounder (and consequently "warmer/fuller" sound) but after reading some comments i realized the attack time is not the same on both units. Still, both sound great. I'm impressed, never imagined Behringer getting at this level of quality/price.

[@mzperxmusic]

Agreed, the Neve is a bit better in catching the peaks, but behringer at the same time sounds more alive. Its not a 1on1 neve but a wonderfull high end compressor by behringer.

[@FrankieNuggetz]

It will be the transformers

[@chriscalinescu]

Everyone hears how the Behringer sounds like shit and cheap until you stop telling them which is which 😂😂

[@Jimbo386000]

When I go to the comments during the video instead of watching the units I hear a difference, but neither one sounds terrible. In fact they both sound great and all I know is there's a switch going on, I can't tell which is which.

[@feliciagal9752]

Go wash some dishes. Maybe you will be able to buy a Neve then. I bet you wouldn't even know how to use a Behringer, you're just a hater! Pure baby! 🥺

[@MaximumLevelAudio-BrianKnop]

Nope. Could easily pick them blind. Although that loud blip when he's switching definitely messes with the brain.

[@hellofx]

And most of them are American . . .

[@Gang-25j]

@@hellofxbs, shut up

[@Firetracks]

Soooo close!! Good job Behringer!!! I want 2!

[@VinceJackson1]

Great Video!!! Two things Stam Audio has a 609 with both versions built in at a flip of a Modern/Vintage switch for $1,600 & the Neve 33609 is $3,995!

[@joesalyers]

Thanks for setting up this test!!! The difference you are hearing is the attack the 33609/j only has the 3 millisecond fast attack on compression where the Behringer has both 3 and 6 millisecond. I think Behringer had to keep Klark Teknik and Midas alive as brands for a period of years as part of the buy out and I would venture to say that time os over and they will begin to fold Klark into the Behringer brand. Midas on the other hand has a great reputation in the live world and is more valuable to keep alive as their premium brand.

[@MattPicsET]

Listen to how the Neve handles the transients compared to the Behringer.

[@Il-Cane]

absolutely the opposite... u are deaf

[@ericpeters0n]

Snare drum just sounds different because of it.

[@K-ORA]

Yes, true. BUT. If you are well versed and understand vsts, there are tons of transient vsts you can edit/add in post. For the price, its incredibly worth it. And the sad truth that most engineers do not want to hear, only 99% of people will notice. The bottom line is; does it resonate emotionally, do the listeners feel the whole thing not just the sum of the parts. That doesn't always mean pristine audio quality. Its not really a debate.

[@arvindbeeharry8214]

Dude. You are a legend! Well done, I subbed hard!

[@OliverShillito]

Thanks for the sub!

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

They went with the Beringer name because in the synthesizer world Beringer absolutely on fire and people love it so for brand recognition, Behringer is a huge name right now with a lot of people due to their cloning of synthesizers.

[@OliverShillito]

Fair! Thank you for the info!

[@hauntedbytheliving1175]

There will always be disagreements in the comments section; I for one think the differences, especially in “box tone” are rather significant. But I REALLY appreciate you making and posting the video! Thanks 🙏

[@southpau]

I dare to say the Behringer sounds more articulate!! Unbelievable!

[@andreievkalupniek5717]

I thought the same - slightly more defined on transients

[@clivemathieu9386]

The neve sounds rather dull in comparison

[@joesalyers]

The older 33609/J's only have the fast attack time the slow option wasn't added until the later 33609/N. So the attack time is different. Fast 3ms, slow 6ms with reduced sensitivity to above 100Hz signals in the internal sidechain.

[@Timkast]

Yeah man. It’s faster. The future is just faster. Science. 3:55

[@cook4you55]

you compared the slow attack from behringer with fast attack from neve. why you haven't use the fast attack also in the behringer?

[@deeorlando6536]

They're tonally different, but sonically supply the same thing. The Neve sounds like it's warmth and punch is more present, but the the behringer sounds brighter and a bit more modern in my opinion. I'm digging the behringer a bit more.

[@REALEXIT]

At this price. i would go with Behringer

[@Luancwav]

They use the name Behringer because the 369 and 1273 are designed by the same team as the one that made a lot of their successful synths, they have are really good reputation in the synth world! (if a remember correctly) Awesome video thx👍

[@OliverShillito]

Awesome. Thanks!

[@EchoReverb6]

@@OliverShillito please do some 1273 test

[@nicefish10]

They didn’t have a design team. They don’t design anything. All they do is pirate other good designers work. And then they take it to China and they manufacture it with the cheapest components possible re-import them into America by the shipping container and sell them to unsuspecting idiots. That’s their business model and always has been.

[@YOLO-pj3hh]

I'm not audio engineer or expert but at the begining Behringer has more transparent sound and little opened (also faster release), but the Neve more glue compression and warmer (even sound much at the center). For the minute 9:27 Neve was the winner.

[@martinmisenta]

The only difference I perceive is the original Neve tends to display a little more the low mids, which heps make kick and snare more even in the attack.

[@lacomusicproduction8776]

I´d say at the same settings the NEVE compresses slightly more ... Great video!!! 👍👍👍

[@engmix]

Thanks for doing this shootout. I finally got to listen in my studio. Although, you can't deny that Behringer stepped up their game with this unit, the one overriding sonic thing I noticed on the mix bus is the upper mids on the OG unit sounded smoother on my monitors. This makes me wonder about how it sounds when you have a mix with vocals, how will the mid range profile sound in comparison to an instrumental. Will it stand-up or will it start to sound edgy or harsh?

[@musicbrum1]

Incredible! Behringer did a great job again !

[@DJURBANBG]

N > 1:30 B > 1:43

[@audiosaucer2124]

6:07 - The Behringers Limiter Attack Time are different. Otherwise a nice review :)

[@jonathanawad7156]

Amazingly, for this demonstration I preferred the Behringer! It hugs the bass drum in the perfect way almost like how the G Bus does. Cost aside, I could see myself applying one or the other to different mixes.

[@rocketsauce5067]

My ears hear a Nice high end lift from the 369 and the 33609 is a bit mushier/ woolier in the low end and over all I think the 369 is punchier and I prefer it. Wow.

[@OliverShillito]

Wow indeed! Haha

[@mirkomarkovic3438]

It's a different compressor design so it sounds punchier.

[@humhead08]

In your quick back and forth, I think the output knobs on the Neve are set a touch higher than the Behringer(accounting for the slight volume difference I hear). Both sound great and a $499 option is pretty stunning.

[@LucasConforti]

There are more coherent sublows with tne neve, and behringer seems to mess up with stereo image a bit... Kick tends to hit a little more in the L than the R

[@1loveMusic2003]

You can run the two in a chain and toggle the bypass buttons on each unit to a b

[@river718]

I own 9 Behringer synthesizers and 2 Behringer drum machines and I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by this shootout. Now I'm super excited about buying their new ouboard gear!

[@johnnyhov2509]

Great video. Do you know how the Behringer is compared to Warm Audio Bus-Comp? Planning to get one of them for drums and mixbus.

[@OliverShillito]

Ive owned a warm audio buss comp but they are totally different beasts. The warm audio is based on an SSL G comp. Diode bridge vs VCA topology. Mix bus I would recommend the SSL style warm audio but that’s just my personal preference. My advice would be to demo plugins that emulate both compressors and see which one you prefer for the role and buy that!

[@jeremythornton433]

On my Kali LP6s, I cna't hear enough of a difference to justify the cost of the Neve. I'm impressed enough with your show to get me to subscribe!

[@reynaldomartino8248]

in the mix the difference will not be noticeable...love the Behringer 369

[@valerion8113]

Great review, as a studioowner myself is see more and more the importancce of good psu designs in the rack units. Please compare noisefloor and show it on an analyzer plugin, with more and more analog stuff in a big mix, all mathers, especially gainstaging and noisefloor. Thank you !

[@waskerbasket9601]

The Neve is tighter, but not too much difference.

[@niklassilen4313]

The Behringer has a lot more boxy sound, more 200Hz to 300Hz. The compression itself is quite close. Overall the Behringer is a bit "softer" on the transients, which I actually prefer!

[@ladycharlesmusic]

I find the Neve more polished with a bit more of a natural low and high end (I would hope so for the price lol) but the Behringer has a slight 'cool ugly' thing going on in the upper mids - I really like what it does to the snare, and it's otherwise pretty close. NGL I know they're not a transformer maker originally but Midas has done a really good job on the transformers in all this stuff, kicks the ass of the old Behringer output transformers if you want colour. I like my Klark Teknik boxes a lot for what they are - really cheap way to play around with these older style designs.

[@OliverShillito]

Fair enough response! Thanks for watching!

[@PharaohLawLess1]

Sweetwater says it won’t be available until October 😳

[@wouterdesmedt1736]

To me the B sounds more controlled, but in a musical way. Preferred the B over the N. How recently has the N been serviced?

[@OliverShillito]

Very recently. In the last month or two so I am told!

[@wouterdesmedt1736]

@@OliverShillito Makes it even more impressive, thanks for clarifying.

[@ramspencer5492]

Are you going to review the Barringer 1273 as well?

[@OliverShillito]

I’m not against the idea. Finding one is a whole other story though!

[@DjVazGUINEBISSAU]

Men thanks, for sharing the world this fantastic and brilliant video, and the difference it's too small between the original Neve 33609 and Berhinger 369, i have to say thank for Berhinger for done a great job hire, for helping people around the world with this brilliant unit am really love it sound great and will buy Berlinger for the price and sound quality, sorry for the legendary Neve.

[@OliverShillito]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@paulmolive1821]

There are parts of this shootout where the units don’t have matching settings and it sounds weird.

[@rebelchaeper707]

On Behringer, one attack is fast other is slow. You compress mid side?

[@stevehillock3162]

You're half-right, one switch is up and one seems to be down, but it"s the limiter section. The position on Behringer comp section is the same and the Neve has none ;-)

[@OliverShillito]

Also the Behringer switches are the opposite way round to the Neve.

[@MagicCyclops]

I love how much you sound like Garth Marenghi

[@bjd4]

muscular and compact like corned beef

[@OliverShillito]

😂😂😂

[@stephenpettyjohn5465]

Wow! Nice demo man! I kinda like the lift of the B myself… crazy.

[@OliverShillito]

Yeah so do I hahah

[@toddypmusic351]

There’s a small difference I’m hearing in the highs or upper mids with the Behringer. It’s not terrible but it’s there. I almost wonder if you run the signal thru an LA2A first to smooth the highs would it sound identical?

[@danielsydens]

Excelent job! Thanks.

[@christokah]

Very interesting. I hear a tiny bit more top end in the neve, in opposite to what you are hearing ;) Anyway I'm keeping my unit beause I think it sounds great. Well done Oliver!

[@OliverShillito]

Interesting! I thought perhaps the neve sounded tighter in the mids if I was to really pull hairs but overall I think Behringer did a great job!

[@christokah]

@@OliverShillito Maybe I'm a bit biased from my own comparisons and the plugin doctor screens. I really like the Behringer and I don't think it's 8 times worse than a real neve...

[@OliverShillito]

That’s fair! It’s certainly surprised me. Let’s put it that way.

[@timgreig1704]

The real question is: if they were the same price, which one would you buy?

[@sparella]

If money were no object, I'd get one of each. I like the berry on guitars and I like the Neve on bass and kick. Revisions were mentioned, and that's a good point. It sounds like they are different revisions of the same circuit.

[@TeeDubz]

I think the differences are probably just down to the different transformer used....

[@KASTET-cx6uv]

Thanks for the video. They do sound a little different, but not in a way like one is better than the other. As I hear it, Berlinger has a little bit more snap and Neve little bit more thump. How do they compare in the build quality and is there weight difference?

[@OliverShillito]

There isn’t much in terms of weight difference. Neve is what you’d imagine never to be. Behringer is solid apart from the front knobs which feel awful!

[@gravyblue]

We had the neve at our studio and didn't use it very much. Much prefered the Alan Smart ssl comp

[@JGRStudios]

I suggest you to test the Heritage Successor is an amazing 609 clone, not cheap as Beheringer but better.

[@ericpeters0n]

The tone of the two is not particularly close imo, although the compression is very similar. As other posters have noted, Neve is just wider and thicker in the midrange, which the guitars make obvious.

[@The_Vile_Vortices]

I wish they'd put a 0-100% blend function and a HPF on it, to improve on the original design .

[@קרטהשאנטי]

U can make an A B test with Phase and then u can hear the difference in the unit by the canceling of itch other if the 2 units r the same there will b no sound , in the summit this is the only test u can make that brings true results , other way this is hear say from a biased ear , and it can sound great i m not thinking it is not , but is it the same ? i dont know , but it will b for sure more affordable unit

[@checkitout611]

The more you were to use it the more you will get to know it (good and bad). It just sounded really good here regardless of price. I have an ART Pro VLA II (has Revive-Audio mod) that after really getting to know it, I wouldn't get rid of it. Like $800 total invested Lower prices help you buy other gear you need but many worry if it's not costly then it's not that great but this is one of those cases I think from your demo you easily get your money's worth with this and then some. Could pair that up with a pair of AudioScape EQP-A's and still be at about the price for the actual Neve hardware unit. If it's lower cost but sounds great .... it's great! Really great review here. Sounded excellent to me.

[@guillaumetiger-isothesis5791]

@15:00 the kick is almost burried by the Behringer compressor, while the Neve maintains the punch. There's a very strong difference in the way they both handle low end. The Behringer struggles with the kick while pushing the snare drum way more upfront (@01:40). The Neve keeps and kick and snare transient equally punchy and upfront. That's a massive difference. And yeah, once you've catched it, you can easilly tell them appart with your eyes closed, even on the mixbus. The midrage is also tighter with the Neve, you can spot that on the guitars, through the Neve they almost sound louder. I'm pretty sure that, if you push both compressors further, say 6 or 9 db of GR, you're clearlry gonna hear the difference in behavior. Btw, I'm listening in a decently tuned room through Genelec and Neumann speakers.

[@DamonAndTheSea]

I’m hearing the same. Low-mids fall apart on the B.

[@nomelocreo1979]

the neve recovery is in a1 and more level and limit on ,behringer is in 1800 an limit off ????

[@topofthemornintoya]

Interesting you’d need a mixbus compressor for such a compressed song 😅

[@AgustinDavidF]

The thing to me is, could anyone make a great recording-mixing with the Behringer?…absolutely yes! And I’m an absolute Neve fan

[@neopytara]

The two devices are very close together. The Behringer sounds a little more modern / transparent and the Neve more vintage / warm. But that could also be due to old capacitors or some other parts.

[@Goeogoth]

The Behringer added more harmonics into the mid frequencies, the Neve unit has more clarity hearing individual sounds better. Each one could be better depends on the situation.

[@georgeogrady449]

Which one off speaker play more then balance

[@miekwavesoundlab]

No null test chapter?

[@OliverShillito]

Hold that thought.

[@miekwavesoundlab]

@@OliverShillito thanks I just saw you posted it 🤜🤛

[@SomebodyPickaName]

I'm still watching the video but paused to comment: Looking at both units at 1:30, how come the Neve meter is showing about 4db of compression but the Behringer is showing almost 8db of compression?

[@OliverShillito]

That is just how they were dialled in at the time but to me they sound quite similar in terms of compression. They are closer later in the video I believe after some more tweaking. I guess one is more reactive to transients than the other!

[@docmao1]

Please tick the subtitles function. Thank you.

[@nbl95]

The Neve was immediately like "oh yea that's the sound I've heard before on songs" the Behringer was kind of clunky and unfamiliar sounding to me.

[@TheThinker43]

Thanks for the shootout! You should add the 33609 uad plug-in in too. My ears like the the neve way better and usually I find between the cheaper HW and good plug-in i like the plug-in counterpart plus some harmonics from Saturn, black box or decapitator with it.

[@OliverShillito]

Check the previous video. I shot out the Behringer against the UAD there!

[@georgeogrady449]

Show if sing from left or right adj one side to bring it to balance

[@TheMixClub]

I like the Neve Lows! It seam's a bit more round. But I like the highs better on the Behringer. I think they hit it out of the park with this one. I have had Behringer! some times its great. Sometimes its not. I have no problem saving money. I have had more trouble with Presonus gear taking a dump. Back in the day doing FOH one of the most used EQ's in touring rigs was Klark Teknik DN360 31 band EQ. So back in the day they did have a hit... lol thanks for posting.

[@AKMacintyre]

This’ll be good - going to give this a listen/look

[@AKMacintyre]

watched. wow - did not disappoint. I'm hearing the Behringer hang incredibly well with the 33609/J when used on point groups and drum buss processing. To my ears, the Neve pulls away on Stereo Buss and does exactly what you described with the snare. Also, I'm hearing it De-Harsh the guitars a little better than the Behringer. The subtle top end lift does seem nice and open, I felt like it became more obvious as time went on ... but theres always an EQ! center image/lower mids were a touch fuller on the 33609 pretty whacky how close this was ... sweet fancy Moses those knobs are brutal.

[@kevindietz6470]

Good shootout, although there’s a small but noticeable output level difference when you’re comparing units on the mix bus (Behringer being the louder).

[@Piotre]

There is a mantra in audio engineering world 'if sounds good it is good' but there is also another mantra there 'Behringer is a peace of... ". So let's see which one is the stronger ;)

[@dreamix2007]

There is also a difference between Neve J and the discrete Neve one, not sure what Behringer copied? You can hear the Neve J hasnt the mojo of the older ones, or discrete ones

[@pyratellamarecordingstudio1062]

From what I understand one of the main analog synth designers helped to design these newer pro audio clone gears. That’s probably a big reason why these are good, b3cause the analog synths are pretty darn good too, at least the ones I’ve heard.

[@g-taker7299]

Im hearing a little bit more musical Pumping on the Neve. On the Full mix it is realy noticable when all the Instruments play. The guitars have that little bit of a ducking effect in grove with the Kick, to leit it through a bit more. But still very close.

[@ast4127]

I dont like how the snare hits on Behringer souns like when you pull the threshold to hard on the L2

[@TheAlbiCollier]

I wonder if someone would go out their way to try and make up the difference with an eq or some other in the box solution.

[@matthewblake2258]

sounds great, cool video

[@angelosr1965]

I’d be willing to bet if the behringer unit had the Midas name on it it they wouldn’t,’t be able to manufacture them fast enough. I honestly believe this is an outstanding tool.

[@MixedbyToryG]

THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO, SIR.

[@OliverShillito]

Thank you for watching!

[@cebrith]

These listening tests are fine, but why not also record both and show us: does the null difference?

[@OliverShillito]

I didn’t see a lot of value in it to be honest. The two units won’t null, two of the same unit wouldn’t null either and the delta doesn’t make a lot of difference in my opinion. The question is how good do they sound and how similar are they. No two pieces of gear would ever be identical but I think it’s more a question of general character etc. That being said. I’m happy to post another shorter video with some null tests as you’re not the first person to ask!

[@coolceeofficialmusic7608]

Good comparison, please hire a Behringer Wing console and go through its effects. You can hire from ultra light sound. Please also do a couple of mix session on the Wing.

[@nbrecording]

What is the input impedance of both comps? Makes a big difference. The J version was 600 ohms so dark sounding. It's an easy mod to lift one leg of a resistor on each channel.

[@RockTelevision-vv1im]

Awesome video!!!

[@maotoast]

On drums they sound about the same. On the mix bus, the neve feels more pleasant to my ears (but it better for the price tag). Looks like I just found my new drum bus compressor. :)

[@igorsim8170]

Thanks for the video.

[@audiomsg]

The metal knob version has different input and interstage transformers: Carnhill vs Belclere, everything else is the same.

[@cypressmuzik]

Give the Behringer a few years of use. Over time the transformers/opamps etc. will start to impart a different color. Usually warmer/more saturated because those parts have been broken in. Transients can sometimes sound a lil bit more hifi/bright/spikey on newer gear; pres/eqs/compressors, etc.

[@learn2xpand862]

Can I use this on vocals?

[@OliverShillito]

I don’t see why not. It wouldn’t be my first choice but I bet it’ll do a job!

[@natcoziay]

Behringer has really stepped up their game!

[@jansonrawlings8169]

Oddly I preferred the Neve when solo’d since I prefer a darker sound, but in the mix I preferred the behringer because of that high end. The low end was also not as prominent in the behringer. I think they’re both great sounds, but knowing the differences would just dictate what duties they’re assigned to or what sort of eq compensations would need to be made. Neither better nor worse, just slightly different. Same flavor though

[@dragonemortale9056]

The behringer Is a bit less coloured, a bit more forward but is less rounded, warm, and the saturation is thinner especially in the low mids. Still great for the price but I ear a difference, maybe the behringer would be more useful in a darker/Muddy mix

[@MaximumLevelAudio-BrianKnop]

I hear a drastic difference. ESPECIALLY on the mix buss at 10:22. The actual Neve is a ton wider, and everything sits so much better. The Behringer doesn't sound as good on drums, but would be more acceptable there. If I were to visualize in inches the sound... When the behringer is playing, the wide panned guitars sound like they're coming from a couple inches inside of where my speakers are placed. Engage the Neve, and they sound like they're coming from 6 inches to the outside of the speakers. It's not subtle. The fact that he almost always has sound overlap when switching between the two, and the short clips (plus I need to go to bed) makes it a bit harder for the ears to focus on the different between the two, because there's always a split second of extra volume.

[@AliKozy]

Im not sure if everyone can hear it. But Im hearing the complete opposite. The snare and low end is less glued and less focused on the full mix with the Behringer. Anyhow, that last whatever percent you call it is sometimes everything and sometimes not. Depends on the user case and of course the listener and their preference and subjective perception All the best and thanks for the awesome video.

[@decimal1815]

I like the incessently smokey flavour of the Neve; although the Behringer seems to have a slightly more refined, shiny bouquet.

[@dimoscondos]

KT back in the day was a very respectable brand. Their graphic eqs were top notch.