Behringer MS-5 vs Roland SH-5! A deeper Comparison.

Here is my comparison Video about the Original Roland SH-5 vs the Behringer MS-5. Did Behringer do the Job? Find out and have fun. The Intro and Outro Song is only made with the SH-5 and the MS-5.
00:00:00​ Intro
00:00:36 Title Track (only made with MS5 & SH5)
00:01:20 Epilogue
00:02:46 Sound Examples
00:10:41 MS-5 vs. SH-5 comparison (short)
00:12:25 recreate sound with the Original SH-5
00:15:24 Oscullators
00:19:11 Sync
00:22:20 Ringmodulator
00:26:18 VCF (LPF, BPF & HPF)
00:37:58 Band Pass Filter
00:44:18 External Input
00:46:20 Controllers, LFO´s and Sample & Hold
00:53:49 Conclusion
00:56:19 Teenage Love - excerpt (only made with MS5 & SH5) you will find the original song from dkdent - teenage love (CD could be ordered by me, or streaming. produced and mixed by Bob Kraushaar)
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Used Equipment: Apple iPhone 14 Pro Max, Sony ZV-1, Sony ECM-W2BT, Universal Audio Apollo Twin Solo, Steinberg Cubase 13 and Final Cut Pro X

[@LowGainElectronics]

When doing sound comparisons you shouldn’t go based solely on knob position. Just changed controls until it sounds identical. Parts tolerance and aging play effect

[@knobsswitches]

i know and i did. but for the start and orientation i tried similar positions

[@audiouy331]

my thoughts exactly

[@kevinellis4729]

What you mean that comparison that @SpectreSoundStudios did on the Klark Teknik vs Pultec was bogus? Crazy pants talk! That was one of the funniest 'comparisons' I've ever seen. KT isn't even saying it's a clone. Knobs in same position. Does it sound the same? TRASH!!

[@amsynths]

Very good review and comparison! I worked on the MS-5 prototype until Covid shut my workshop down. The MS-5 does use modern capacitors in the filters (ceramic rater than mylar) which can explain some of the differences. The Ring Mod sounds like it needs recalibrating. I will be releasing a set of 200 vintage patches for the MS-5 soon...

[@TheDavidPoole]

Thank you for your amazing work bringing not only this, but a whole load of vintage synths and modules back to life. You, Sir, are suberb!

[@xntricity6446]

Curious, when you say recalibrate, do you mean his Synth should be opened up for a calibration process, thanks

[@amsynths]

@@xntricity6446its easy to check if the ring mod needs some trimming. Flip the X input to ext in, with no signal. Put the Y input to the LFO sine wave. If there is any leakage of the sine wave into the ring mod output then it needs trimming. Hope that helps

[@ConwayBob]

Wow! These are both amazing synthesizers. There are some significant differences, but none that would deter me from buying the MS-5. Thank you for this comparison video, one of the best I have seen.

[@knobsswitches]

Thank you very much. It was a lot of fun

[@mauriciomandara5946]

Nice ! 👍🏻 The sound of this synth and your style reminded me of Grauzone Band ! Thanks for sharing

[@LlewynDaviesTheThird]

Well he did play eisbar

[@mauriciomandara5946]

@@LlewynDaviesTheThird… I believe they used a Promars… the original SH 5 sounded closer

[@PaulNicholls-z4d]

I think the big differences you’re hearing with the ring modulation is mainly because you have a slightly different tuning set for oscillator 2 on the OG unit. Ring modulation exaggerates the difference between oscillator tunings. So if you have the same tuning for both oscillators, then the ring mod effect will be less obvious. Also, you only appear to play C notes when the key-tracking is turned off. As oscillator 2 defaults to bottom C when key-tracking is disabled, then that tuning difference on the OG unit will be amplified across the octaves. Try detuning oscillator 2 on the MS-5, or play some notes other than C.

[@entropybentwhistle]

I am devastated by the lack of Tolex.

[@knobsswitches]

Yep, more Tolex would be cool!

[@marcusloeber]

Very detailed comparison. Well done, mate!

[@knobsswitches]

Thanks a lot, Marcus!

[@lesterfalcon1350]

Calibrating the filters can be found on the underside of the synth. You don't need to open it up to access. Just push the synth section to be upright and you'll see a bunch of screw access holes on the panel. Seems there are 24 adjustment options, so maybe some of the characteristics differences can be honed to be more similar with some tweaking.

[@xntricity6446]

Do you mean on the behringer right?

[@lesterfalcon1350]

@@xntricity6446 Yes. I have the Behringer Mono/Poly, which is in the same format. It has 25 adjustment screws with easy access holes. If you look of the Thomann site, you can see a picture of the underside of the synth section. And see the holes.

[@ranzee]

Hey Dirk! I loved this - such amazing music in your sound examples section!

[@knobsswitches]

Thank you very much!

[@georgegeez8708]

Great comparison video. I do hear the difference. The SH-5 has a lot more bite and grittier than the MS-5. It won't stop me from buying the MS-5. It will definitely join my Behringer collection of synths.

[@knobsswitches]

Yes, the ms5 convinced me more than the mono/poly. and the mono/poly was already good

[@dannydaniel8975]

If someone can get away with recording an entire album on the original Mbox, Marshall MXL mic, and the stock sounds from FL Studio 5 (and they did) and sell 10 million records, then no one will notice the difference between the Roland and the Behringer...

[@The-BOM]

Great video Dirk. You really give a clear demonstration of the differences and the similarities. It’s sounds great!

[@knobsswitches]

Thank you very much. I´m flattered

[@MKA63]

Thanks - this made me get my Roland SH-3A out for a jam.

[@knobsswitches]

My pleasure! It´s an exciting synth, too!

[@andrewverran3498]

I sold my SH5 in 1994 for $650 Australian dollars, hanging for the MS5 to hit our shores. Great video.

[@knobsswitches]

Thank you very much

[@arthurcrime]

Have seen how much they go for now?

[@knobsswitches]

@@arthurcrime yes, on reverb was one in Canada and one in Australia . Both over 6000€ plus tax, if I order in Germany :-(

[@kierenmoore3236]

NSG!! (Never Sell Gear! )

[@dslavin]

First visit to your channel, I must compliment your intro music, it's a banger!

[@knobsswitches]

Thank you very much. I´m flattered!

[@modulosonoro]

Toll! Your music making is a lot of fun to watch and listen to. Quite a revealing comparison. MS5 sometimes hints at a SH5 vibe but isn't a replacement for that mid-saturated wild & woolly sound for me. I'm sure you'll get good use out of yours, though. It should lend itself to doing lots of different things.

[@knobsswitches]

I'm very pleased that you like the style of my video :-) I admit, I would also prefer to buy an ‘analogue’ Roland reissue of the SH-5, but unfortunately that's not going to happen and the MS5 can offer something here and there.

[@theendofeternity4324]

I've subscribed to your channel as soon as I saw your Chris&Cosey t-shirt! Respect! 💙🤟💙

[@knobsswitches]

thanks a lot. together with Techno Primitiv is Songs of Love & Lust my favorit C&C Album

[@theendofeternity4324]

@@knobsswitches great job with your demo...sorry I forgot to wrote that! I love their LIbrary of Sound series!

[@payt01]

Awesome stuff1 Seems like the MS-5 certainly is in the same ballpark. Personally I don't care if the same settings result in slightly different sounds, the more important thing is that they can sound similar, whatever the settings of the knobs are. So I'll settle for the MS-5 for 599, as trying to get a real SH-5 is near impossible and the prices are astronomical. I also like the small form of the MS-5 better. Lovd the tunes you made too.. some really nice stuff there!

[@ralphhathaway-coley5460]

To be fair the same settings on several original SH05s also sound different so ..........

[@miffebarbez]

I think the original sounded better in every sound.

[@knobsswitches]

@payt01 I see it exactly the same way

[@olsonwaters4116]

also the band pass filter section is the perfect example of the thing i can’t put my finger on with all behringer clones. You can clearly hear this difference in power depth and warmth when you try to get those tight envelopes the behringer just sounds thin in that area and i feel that with all the clones so far. they’re sooooo close tho

[@kevinellis4729]

Obviously too much to ask for a comparison video but it would be interesting to see if tweaking the trim pots on the back of the synth could get you closer to the tolerances on pots on the front of the one you currently have.

[@bradfordkeithmadison953]

GRAUZONE!!!!!!!! Well done, sir. (Cheers from Dallas, Texas!)

[@knobsswitches]

Cheers from Düsseldorf, NRW

[@project-95]

The MS-5 might be the only B synth to ever pique my interest in sound alone. At 20:50 it sounds very good and much like the Roland. Thanks for showing modulation instead of just sterile patches, helps to hear the real differences.

[@foxate]

Same!

[@knobsswitches]

Glad that you like it. That's how it was meant to be

[@noisetheorem]

Watching this and comparing to my own experience with an SH5, I wonder if that SH5 needs service/calibration. It’s not in bad shape, but there are some things (the ring mod) that definitely sound a bit different. Having watched the whole video, I’m going to blaspheme and say I like the MS5 a bit more.

[@Bananskuden]

I was surprised how different they sound.

[@wellenstrom]

Okay! Der erste Behringer Clone, der mich flasht. Fazit nach 57:10: Etwas entflasht aufgrund des hier und da schwächelnden Multimodefilters und leichten Abstrichen hier und da im Lowend. Wirkt generell etwas neutraler/steriler im Gesamtsound und in der Performance weniger smooth - zumindest mein erster Eindruck nach diesem Test. Den passenden Rotz in den Sound reinzukriegen, dürfte aber bei den aktuellen Gegebenheiten im Studio kein Problem darstellen. Man wird mit dem Synth genau dahin kommen, wo man hin will. Mal gucken, ob ich mir den nicht sogar noch zulegen werde.

[@knobsswitches]

War für mich auch nach dem Monopoly der zweite. Der UB-X hat mich z.b. nicht interessiert;-)

[@user-wg6mt3se1n]

try poly-d ;)

[@wellenstrom]

@@knobsswitches Kompliment übrigens für den Test. Vermutlich der erste hier auf YT und dann geht der auch noch voll in die Tiefe. Gute Arbeit!

[@knobsswitches]

@@wellenstrom lieben dank. Ich habe Rob Keeble eine Mail geschrieben, ob er sich das mit dem Multimodefilter erklären kann. Vielleicht lässt sich das nachkalibrieren

[@watchaddicts1213]

I have a distinct and WONDERFUL advantage over you, Sir: OLD, sort of defective EARS. RESULT: the TWO sound SPOT ON IDENTICAL. WOW! What VALUE FOR MONEY!!

[@NatLifeSounds]

from the first words I understand that I listening a Deutscher Profi, very good comparison, thank you for this! But just one thing, a little advice - you need to reduce the music or volume up the voice sound, um die Gesamtlautstärke des gesamten Videos anzugleichen, weil du deine Nachbarn nachts wecken kannst)

[@knobsswitches]

yes, i know. The Intro Song was too loud. I will pay attention to it in the next video ;-)

[@torbenanschau6641]

That was a well made comparison. Subscribed immediately.

[@knobsswitches]

Dankeschön!

[@tomnoise23]

Super Vergleich! Danke für die Mühe. Ich habe den MS-5 selbst privat bei einem Freund mit seinem SH-5 verglichen und das deckt sich mit meinen Eindrücken.

[@knobsswitches]

Danke! und Danke für den Tip mit dem GATE Out in Trigger in um den AR anzuschieben ;-)

[@mbrombert]

How did you manage to buy one of these already? They have not been available on Thomann as far as I know. Unless there were a sneaky few there at the start 🤣🤣 Great review!

[@knobsswitches]

Thanks a lot. I ordered it online from Thomann on 04.04

[@mbrombert]

@@knobsswitches Ha! Nice one. All the best to you!

[@knobsswitches]

@@mbrombert for you too!

[@sunnypedaal]

5sec and you hear the difference in sound quality

[@autoy]

Great effort in this comparison. What I dislike most about the MS, apart from differences in behaviors, is perhaps that consistently harsh top end that’s not present on the original. In my experience this is common to other Behringer clones.

[@user-wg6mt3se1n]

hello mark levinson, how are your golden ears? it's a shame that you don't make your own synth that you could criticize :) ps. you won't achieve anything with your behavior, sorry. now quickly back to bullyingslutz where you are better off

[@PietroTaucher]

Regardless of the 50-year age difference, comparing two tools will always lead to the same result. I was also brighter 50 yrs ago!!! ;) If you listen to a Rhodes now and what it was back in the days seem so far away. I prefer the MS-5, way more on tune, more contemporary,clean still warm, useful. you will never use an SH-5 on a recording nowdays. We need instrument for playing music not for bookshelves. sorry.

[@payt01]

I wouldn't call it harsh. Maybe a tad brighter, due to newer electronics, caps, etc. In 40 years the MS-5 probably sounds just like the SH=5 does now :) Either way I don't think there's an alternative if you want something like a new SH-5, which doesn't need constant TLC to keep it going. Even the example used in the videos had crackles and pops going all over the place, as well as double triggers.

[@PWMaarten]

@@PietroTaucherexcuses you? Never use a SH-5 on a record nowadays? That’s a wild statement.

[@AdamTheAd-vanc3d]

​@@PietroTaucher😂😂😂😂 word ! and I'm not even 50 yet

[@pawnotdaw4559]

Nice demo. Thanks. I'm hoping they release a module only version as that would pair nice with my Roland System 100 101 keyboard

[@modulosonoro]

Could you just put the tilt panel into a frame and ditch the chassis with keyboard? MIDI and audio jacks are on the panel, aren't they? Might work well with the Sys 100 width.

[@pawnotdaw4559]

@@modulosonoro yeah might look into that.

[@jlolivermusic]

Glad to have an SH-5. The MS is fine if you just need a monosynth but it doesn’t have anywhere near the character of the OG Roland

[@rgeraldc80s]

When you clone a big muff the vintage almost always sounds better, unless you use all the exact same kinds and values as the original example (including odd values for resistors) The tolerances are also much tighter with modern smd than older carbon resistors, the caps also sound different. So the Behringer if it can last 40+ years will probably never sound the same or as warm. It just needs to be viewed as a modern component basic SH-5 Clone.

[@vernellshelton90]

Exactly ❗️

[@hanzvolt]

yes!

[@knobsswitches]

True!

[@gixerags750]

Would be interesting to see the comparison if the SH5 was time warped back to its release date sound , non aged components..

[@h.s.7797]

Interesting comparison. Do both VCF have the same slope? It appears as if the SH5 has a less steep slope.

[@knobsswitches]

As always, there is no information on the Behringer website other than the Quick Manual. Both Synths should actually have a 24db multimode filter

[@andrewverran3498]

Great comparison , i reckon the MS5 would benefit greatly by going through a descent mixing desk like a Allen & Heath ZED or a Soundcraft Signature etc for a bit extra warmth & saturation etc. Do you have a BeatStepPro as well as your KeystepPro? Just wondering as I have the BeatStepPro , I cannot play keys but like all the CV GATE etc options in having the KeystepPro as well ? Your thoughts appreciated. 😊

[@knobsswitches]

I would say that the keystep pro is easier to use when it comes to sequencing. I had the Beatstep Pro before and found it good for drum patterns but it got tedious with tonal sequences

[@Roboami]

Great demo but here's a tip: Weak sync works when VCO1 is set to a higher pitch than VCO2 - as opposed to Hard sync. A lot of unique pitch effects emerge from soft sync instead of just clicking.

[@knobsswitches]

Cool. Thanks for the Tip. I will defintly try this

[@aftertheendtimes]

Due age of components it is imposible to compare two apples =D but the sh-5 sounds near the ms-5,...Thanks

[@supportsquid]

Way to blow my speakers at the start, dude.

[@fiddlestickzmuzik]

I know right I had to reach for the volume knob on my interface really quickly..

[@knobsswitches]

yes, sorry guys. that was probably a bit to much gain ;-)

[@kierenmoore3236]

Strike first; strike hard; no mercy.

[@Fr4nkju5tFr4nk]

Schönes Video! Eisbär geht immer :D Der Behringer klingt bissl anders aber immer noch sehr geil. Grad auch für EBM sehr nutzbar.

[@ryanhursh6322]

Love what’s going on at around 7:30

[@knobsswitches]

Thanks a lot!

[@steveg219]

Very interesting, thank you The MS-5 sounded very good and much like the SH-5 on some sounds. On others, it really just did not sound as good

[@Litonano]

Amazing music !!!!

[@knobsswitches]

Thanks a lot!

[@olsonwaters4116]

ITS ALWAYS THE ENVELOPES!!

[@alejandrohualdez5550]

That accent adds authenticity to the review.

[@knobsswitches]

haha :-)

[@verstaerker]

Thank you for the video. But i have to ask you to be a bit more careful with the volume. The intro tune is at -2 Lufs. This was brutally loud and the rest of the video ranges mostly between -14 to -20 Lufs.

[@jumpingman8160]

Seriously? You are using that jargon on a yutube transmission? Did you watch some mixing tips about LUFS recently? 😅 Confess

[@hanzvolt]

omg... what do you expect from a behringer video

[@bojangprodoktschns5428]

Constructive criticism isn't hate. Verstaerker not only put his criticism in short and concise language (which is exactly what jargon is there for), he even took the time to do the measurements to do so. If this isn't showing love, I don't know what is!

[@jumpingman8160]

@@bojangprodoktschns5428 it's not love. It's watching vids.

[@lesterfalcon1350]

I have the Behringer MonoPoly, which shares the same keyboard as the MS-5 and the Poly D. Man it's heavy! It was just too big and cumbersome for my set up. So I removed the synth half from the Keyboard and case. It's a shame the MS-5 didn't move features like the portamento from besides the keyboard to the Synth section. These two would have gone nicely together in my Keyboardless set up.

[@knobsswitches]

I had wondered why they didn't offer the keyboard as a frame where you could then change the synthesizers as modules.

[@lesterfalcon1350]

Not a bad a idea. I wonder if they had pre planned this range when they made the Poly-D. Or whether it's success led to re-use of the format. I got the idea of separating the synth from the keys from a someone who did it with the Poly-D. Selling just the synth would have really cut down on weight and shipping, it's about half the weight and a 3rd of the size. Still feels hefty. Not too fussed about the poly D, but the MS-5 sounds really different and more my kind of thing. A shame it doesn't separate down without the portamento, but my wallet is happier.

[@LFOVCF]

Sawtooth on the roland is splashy, but what do you expect, it's 50. Great content!

[@knobsswitches]

Thanks a lot!

[@inperfectsequence7840]

I bought an original TB-303 in 1994 and when I bought TD-3 it sounded very bad next to the original, too grating and the distortion was not doing its job well, the problem was that VCO and VCA were not in their correct calibration, the BPM were also wrong and can be calibrated. After a few minutes I managed to calibrate the machine and I already had my second bass lines to make identical double bass lines. I bought the MS-5 this year, I have mine configured and calibrated with an original SH 5 from a colleague who recommended this Behringer synthesizer and we did the same as with my TD-3. We did some measurements and testing, you can definitely sound the same as an original. Behringer never gives the machines calibrated and many make that mistake before comparing, I suppose they do it this way to leave each user under their responsibility. So in the TD-3 you have the problem that if you open the machine you lose the warranty, but in these keyboards you do not need to open the machine, they are completely manipulable from the rear panel of the adjustable module, and you will not lose the warranty. Greetings and thanks for the purchase.

[@xntricity6446]

Interesting, by the way did you upgrade to the td3 Mo version? I didn't know people were recalibrating them as mine sounds OK but not fantastic.

[@inperfectsequence7840]

@@xntricity6446 I won't upgrade to the Mo, I'm already covered in that type of sound with 303 and TD-3. Everything sounds correct between my 303 and TD-3. The same for my MS-5, that was brutal, very satisfied with the only 2 purchases I have from Behringer and that is fantastic for my tracks. 👍

[@xntricity6446]

@@inperfectsequence7840 very cool, I'd like to recalibrate my td3 - mo to get it sounding better, is there information online on how to do it. Thanks

[@jfs_films]

sounds bloomin good

[@knobsswitches]

Yes, it’s a good synthesizer (both)!

[@arthurcrime]

The Sh5 was my first synth along with an arp omni. The sh5 could really scream. You can hear it on run through the jungle by Sacred Cowboys.

[@regplasma7906]

Great work.

[@knobsswitches]

@@regplasma7906 thanks a lot

[@roseutterback5755]

Idk if your clowning on Behringer but dang I wanna get one now gonna go order it asap

[@AndrewLeSynt]

5:10 Ich möchte ein eisbär sein, am kalten polar 😂😂😂 zu geil

[@knobsswitches]

Das hat sich irgendwie so ergeben ;-)

[@kierenmoore3236]

So, you think this is closer to the OG, than B’s MonoPoly is to the Korg OG?

[@vernellshelton90]

✅ The Behringer clone sounds like a Behringer clone.

[@oblitafier]

No shit. What’s your point?

[@ElectroPanPipes]

@@oblitafierIt’s supposed to actually sound like what it’s cloned from. Not a Behringer

[@vernellshelton90]

@@ElectroPanPipes Exactly.

[@acidjack]

Toller Vergleich. Danke.

[@knobsswitches]

Prima. Lieben Dank!

[@Moogulator]

Maybe recalibrating my SH5 could bringt it nearer to the MS5 (it's at least my 3rd one, after selling it 2 times for money reasons) - to my ears the overload of the BPF was higher on the MS5 - the intensity of mod and lfo sort of influence the max possible modulation etc - over all there have been quite a lot good moments. all of my SH5'es where not sounding the same and even the behaviour was different on all 3. I like the clicky sounds when playing around with S/H and ADSR and filter. don't know how newly calibrated units my differ.

[@westman_music_solna]

Thank you for this. Yes, It is a difference between them, and Behringer sounds better, however is the question if better is what we want compared to the vintage sound. Its up to the individual to decide, but in the end who have the possibility to choose? Behringer does a great thing bringing back the old classics alive in the best way it is possible including modern functional updates.

[@hozzer68]

The great thing about the original analogue synths is put 3 next to each other and they’ll all be different, put any of the Behringer’s recreations in a mix and there won’t be enough of a difference to really notice.

[@PietroTaucher]

right on!

[@gixerags750]

A decent mixing desk will have them sounding the same.

[@gixerags750]

Have you any real complaints regarding the quality of the plastic shaft potentiometers? ✌️

[@jmfhsmith4923]

Which synth is playing at 5:32?

[@knobsswitches]

The MS-5!

[@robertcrystals]

a synth youtuber who makes cool songs? color me surprised! the roland definitely sounds more lively and interesting, and the behringer sounds more hollow and thin, but the clone sounds pretty cool. I watched this by not looking at the screen, and Every time I heard a sound and thought 'oooh whats that' it's the roland.

[@onedrumcomputeraday196]

very nice video!

[@knobsswitches]

thanks a lot!

[@ProckGnosis]

Gut gemacht! Für mich klingt der Behringer ähnlich genug. I've had an interest in the SH-5 for a LONG time. This might scratch that itch close enough.

[@thaneco]

Sounds amazing!

[@knobsswitches]

I´m flattered!

[@eduardopagnani1764]

Can’t wait for my MS5. Thanks Behringer ❤

[@joecandy6490]

To me the behringer “sounds” significantly more available, affordable and reliable than an original 50 year old SH5… funny but i bet if Roland reissued the SH5 today no one would dare say it was a clone even though the only actual difference would be the name and significant hike in price. Well done Behringer for bringing us synths and gear that we actually want to own.

[@jumpstar9000]

If Roland re-released it, then it would probably be VA as well.

[@jumpstar9000]

​@JustDoIt-xq9pi You went straight to the adhominem attacks huh.

[@kevingort4926]

​@@JustDoIt-xq9piQuit talking stupidity.

[@Andronicus2007]

Reminds me a lot of my old Roland System 100 (the original 1975 version, not the 100M). Yes, the old one sounds a bit warmer, but they're both good IMO.

[@knobsswitches]

yes, it was really fun to work with the ms5 and and it has a bit of that system 100 vibe ;-)

[@thedarkestrainbow]

It’s frustrating that they make clones of keyboard instruments with less keys than the originals. You literally cannot play them the same.

[@Joe-mz6dc]

Behringer is a great company.

[@user-ux2if2le1l]

Nice job!

[@knobsswitches]

Thanks a lot!

[@andyanderson6455]

Sounds like Nitzer Ebb!

[@texacomann]

Hast du den von Thomann? Geil dann kommt meiner auch bald? Super Video! Wirst du dein original nun verkaufen?

[@knobsswitches]

Ja, meinen habe ich bei Thomann bestellt. Das Original ist nicht meiner, daher werde ich ihn nicht verkaufen ;-)

[@karlscharpenberg8851]

Der Sound ist einfach besonders👍

[@knobsswitches]

Ja, ist wirklich eigen und bei keinem anderen Roland zu finden

[@gixerags750]

Have you had a chance to run the MS5 through MIDI OX to verify MIDI CCs TX and Received ? I might do it today. Peace.

[@jumpstar9000]

What a beauty!

[@knobsswitches]

The Original or the MS5? ;-)

[@RichardOlpin]

i suspect most of the differences you're seeing are down to component tolerances, and the aged components in your SH-5. Realistically, they sound as close as any two SH-5's would...

[@modulosonoro]

I've found that analog synths of the same model are identifiable as such across decades. This SH-5 sounds like my SH-5, the MS-5 doesn't. MKS-80s, MKS-50s, 106s, 8Ps, Andromedas, SE-1s I've owned/still own keep their character. More likely the MS5 difference is not component tolerances, but the component specs themselves and the circuits designs. The MS5 is just not a very accurate reproduction, obvious even through KZbin compression. Not that it should stop anyone from buying it and making good music with it.

[@p.enzovoort8929]

How will the MS 5 sound in 50 years?

[@VincentPresley]

it won't work in 4 weeks

[@Heathcliff_hensel]

check back in 50 years and let us know.

[@philipd2252]

useful comparison but I think it is more about the character rather then having exactly the same with behringer. Also new fresh components will never sound like tired 45y old gear, like both off them 👍

[@kvmoore1]

Although there are some obvious differences when compared with the original, the Behringer MS-5 sounds very good. Thank you for this wonderful demonstration and comparison.

[@knobsswitches]

My pleasure! Glad you like it

[@synthpunkheaven]

Redundant 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kvmoore1]

@mysynthpunklife Yeah, I agree. For me, it would be redundant considering all the other synths I currently own. Although the MS-5 does sound pretty good, I'm definitely not GASing for one.

[@tubescreamin74]

Thank you sir! 😊

[@knobsswitches]

I´s my pleasure!

[@triplebeam23]

I can't wait to see what the clones look like in the same amount of time since the original was made.. plastic vs a metal chassis

[@user-wg6mt3se1n]

So the poly-d and monopoly have a metal casing with a wooden bed, how did you come up with plastic?

[@jumpingman8160]

Pro 1 was dreadful. The Behringer version is built like a tank. WASP was a piece of garbage learning toy. The Behringer version eats it for lunch.

[@Sandelec-gm2cl]

But the poly D..monopoly..Model D..Neutron.. Edge..and deepmind 12 are fantastic..!! Expensive brands hates Behringer because brings us great synths with an affordable price.✌🏻

[@JayKaufman]

Honestly, it's no surprise to me that I like the sound of the Behringer MS-5 more because it's got new components in it. It largely sounds brighter and more 'full'.

[@Reg-Edit]

Sounds great 🖐 What are you using to secure your guitar pedals next to your synths like that ? very cool ❤

[@Steph_7d7]

It's just a sheet music stand but it works great.

[@Feldspar__]

German + synth dungeon + Chris & Cosey shirt = subscribe

[@77advanced]

rippenger is harshy, sounds like it is boosted in that sensitive region. It is obvious especially on a small speakers. SH5 is just more natural and full.

[@olsonwaters4116]

nice grauzoneee jam haha

[@unclemick-synths]

The originals usually win the A/B comparisons but in a mix with EQ and effects few people could tell the difference if they didn't know.

[@cnfuzz]

The filter on the original is where the magic is, cannot copy these nuances

[@AndrewLeSynt]

hast n abo vom süden erhalten 🙌🇨🇭

[@knobsswitches]

Dankeschön!

[@VincentPresley]

Sounds interesting although the original killed it from start to finish. If they tried a little harder with the look and feel I might be tempted but every time I get one of their synths I feel like I'm playing, and looking at, a playschool toy. Can't they even pay a graphic designer? The original is great but I wouldn't pay over 3k for one and even that is a bit much. Beh synths look and feel so bad that I feel ripped off even when they are $150.

[@user82938]

I believe you can make it 50 years to see how it ages. Although your hearing might not be the same :)

[@knobsswitches]

probably 🙂

[@eduarddos3840]

Roland sounds vintage warm and great, but behringer sound modern and nice

[@louisschmidtlin5926]

I have to disagree. I made the test as well. The MS5 sounds weaker in many aspect and you didn't really crank up the multimode filter enough - resonance and highpass together at the maxi- where the comparison makes huge difference. Will buy the SH5 and disregard the MS5. OK course ways more expensive, but sturdy and forever-repairable value keeper.

[@Syncopator]

The first sound example sounds like Mort Garson.

[@knobsswitches]

Thanks, but i don´t know Mort Garson. May i have to Google

[@Syncopator]

@@knobsswitches Well worth checking out his Wikipedia page. A favorite 1960s/1970s synthesizer composer. You can hear a lot of his stuff on KZbin-- search by his name or some of his weirder projects (and in my opinion, best projects), "Ataraxia The Unexplained" and "Lucifer Black Mass". I tried posting a link but I think that caused the reply to be deleted... Your piece reminded me of "Solomon's Rising" from his one-off Lucifer album, searchable here on KZbin...

[@knobsswitches]

@@Syncopator i will do!

[@itrema]

i stopped listening to gear Vs gear. For example, i own a tb303, and bought & tested the td-3, there is a difference for sure, in a negative way for the td-3 though there are videos on youtube which tend to show you the contrary. so now i'm sure there will be differences between the originals Vs the behringer clones, anyway it is a good solution for people to think they own a nice copy, but the sound is terrible. If you don't have the original you won't be able to catch the complexity and richness of vintage gears and when it comes to produce a record you will be disappointed with clones, nothing can be fixed with eqs or other magic wand. Maybe a Vst plugin is same sound and even less expensive ;-)

[@godot5082]

Behringer is soulless, had a few and always sold them, there a so many tiny synth manufacturers nowadays with heart and soul.

[@DrDoobius]

​@@godot5082Like who? Genuine question, I'm trying to get my hands on cool synths but I'm broke

[@godot5082]

@@DrDoobius dreadbox, bastl, twisted electrons, erica synths, audiothingies, mfb, search used ones in good condition.

[@jumpingman8160]

Behringer should have included a sequencer and a way to control the BP filter. Why some of their clones have sequencers and others don't is baffling.

[@oblitafier]

Baffling? If the original has a sequencer, you’ll get a sequencer. Not that baffling.

[@jumpingman8160]

@@oblitafier the Arp had no sequencer

[@ernestomartinez5296]

What is so special about having a sequencer that you can’t do with an external one?

[@leftmono1016]

⁠@@ernestomartinez5296- agreed, no point in having a built in sequencer on a synth like this. Imho.

[@dankeplace]

Behringer should try making a synth they don't have to clone, but we all know that's too hard, just like adding a sequencer no one gives a shit about.

[@cresshead]

close, cheaper and new with a warranty..come with midid too and looks nice

[@knobsswitches]

true!

[@feikeuphoff4309]

you need to balance the volumes between your voice and the intro, almost hurt my ears :D