Behringer Pro 800 vs Prophet 600 // SOUNDS ONLY

[@StarskyCarr]

Download my V1.4.1 patch bank from starskycarr.com Sound demos here: Behringer Pro 800 Patches kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXnaYYCJZbd2d6c

[@gbkny1]

Did the Pro-800 have the update when this was done?

[@SamLowryDZ-015]

Mine arrived last week and been having loads of fun with it. Stick it though a Big Sky and lose all track of time.

[@budgetkeyboardist]

I really enjoy these videos. I like how the comparison is just presented matter of fact, without commentary, and an honest effort to try to match the sounds on the two devices being compared. It's a classy way to operate.

[@StarskyCarr]

Except I do have a talkie coming soon… 😂 but yeah still just try to present the facts. … this is what it is. I tried to go super complex and keep them S close as I could. The resolution of the pots is an issue in some cases and the modulation amount and envelopes aren’t identical…. Opinions really depend on what someone expects or want to find.

[@rohosynth]

Great comparison video, Starsky. Behringer has created another excellent product. What a great time to be creating electronic music! Your piece at the end was a beauty.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

I mean that demo just proved to me that behinger knocked the pro 800 out of the park grand slam game over and for that price I don’t think there’s anything on the market that can even come close to that. Great work Behringer.

[@DankePlace]

@only1synthpunk since we're on the subject of "lol's, you're the same guy who said the Cobalt8X is the best Wavetable synth around, then you returned the synth a week later after everyone corrected you. THEN you said the P5 sounded too digital after you could not calibrate it, because you never read the manual and you sent that back too. Whats funny is the P600 is based on the P5, yet you think the 600 is better than a P5, now that's just Lol.

[@DankePlace]

@only1synthpunk This is what you wrote @only1synthpunk 1 day ago I paid almost $2600.00 for the OB6 and it sounded so digital. How does an analog synth sound so digital pray tell?

[@DankePlace]

@@Subtronik he's been struggling a little lately, paying Sonicstate $20 as a donation and begging to be on the show. I don't think he understands the joke is on him.

[@GNeuman]

@@Subtronik another thing this dude does is copy/paste Behringer's vids...defo has a slate loose, lol.

[@Siriusandtheendoftimes]

@only1synthpunk you have this childish need it seems.

[@JamesA2]

Nice one Matt, I am getting mine tomorrow. Unbelievable! a full eight voice analogue polysynth for this price🤪

[@paulfabian7274]

Great comparison! One would be shocked if the Behringer sounded exactly the same as the Prophet, and there are indeed a few patches where the Prophet has that magical richness & warmth, but overall the Behringer sounds fantastic. It's on my list to get.

[@eddievanheinous666]

I'm (probably) not going to give into temptation, but as a P6 owner, I would still love to have this synth in my studio. It's gorgeous.

[@justindear1255]

same boat and would love to set up some grooves with the 800 and P6 for sure

[@gautrstafr]

Same here, the P6 is my all time favorite poly synth. But I'm tempted both by this and the Dread box Nymphes

[@SwanAudio]

I owned the original for a while and this sounds pretty close, incredible to have 8 voices for this price. How times have changed. I think I have to get one...

[@housebandthexenos2569]

That filter on the Pro-800 is just gorgeous! You can hear it really well in the demo at the end.

[@decimal1815]

P800 sounds great. Eight voices of full analogue polysynth for less than £400. Amazing.

[@StarskyCarr]

That’s the big take home for me.

[@DankePlace]

@@StarskyCarr someone has done a stereo P800 will 2 units polychained, it sounds weird for me with stabs or plucks, but pads with long envelopes are more forgiving. The uploader is using a 3rd party MIDI handler to send 2nd note to 2nd P800. 1st P800 acts as master so all controls are replicated on slave. You hard pan L+R but you get the same spread all the time, not like a Rev 2 where it changes.

[@georgegeorgio1751]

@@StarskyCarr but envelope amount?

[@embersandash]

@@DankePlacelink please?

[@DankePlace]

@@embersandash search for this. PRO-800 x 2: double pack experience

[@wrmusic8736]

I'm glad Behringer did this. I'm also happy to own the original. If anything this video is a testament to how much Prophet 5 there's in 600. And 800.

[@StarskyCarr]

True… so much so my first draft of the main comparison is me talking about the similarities with the P5… but I go on far too long so am about to chop it!

[@GNeuman]

I had severe GAS for a Prophet 5 last week, but then started to add up what I would have to sell and add cash to buy one and decided it was a no-go..I already own the Prophet 6 and this Behringer, though if money were no object I'd have the Prophet 5 Rev 4 in a heartbeat, it's so iconic, packed full of mojo, looks and sounds fantastic

[@wrmusic8736]

@@GNeuman I could have had Prophet 10 kb for about $2500, but was too slow. Twice. Then, however, I realized that I don't really need it. Like it certainly would be very cool to have - just to personally appreciate the worthy successor of that legacy - but I just asked myself if it would really add anything for me, to what I already have, warranting that value. And I realized not right now. Ended up getting M instead. Some day maybe. But I'd rather get OB-X8 if I wanted some big expensive thing at this point.

[@GNeuman]

@@wrmusic8736 thanks for your reply, GAS is both a terrible and a wonderful thing, isn't it?!😳

[@wrmusic8736]

@@GNeuman yes, I'm trying to battle it all the time.

[@palindrone]

The demo track is absolutely masterful. You've hit it out of the park with this one. Pure bliss.

[@Reyescult]

Great demo, thanks. My Pro-800 is due to land tomorrow. I'm looking forward to adding it to the collection!

[@wlrref]

Excellent review, thank you! After looking at it, he started restoring his prophet-600

[@lundsweden]

Just got my Pro800 here in Australia. Its been difficult to buy them here up to now. Its a beautiful sounding synth, with the inbuilt gligli upgrades, close to a Prophet 5. I love the slightly gritty character of the filters too. The latest update has even made the envelopes really snappy. Honestly I'd rather have the compact, modern Pro800 than the P600, even if they were the same price!

[@SickBehringerCATerwaulin-ks7rx]

I am reading comments by others who are having USB loop issues on their Pro-800s using Mac. I just got a replacement for mine and it's still messed up so I realized this is a systemic problem. I hope they fix it since I need to use the MIDI CC functions this allows. Both the ones I got were 1.8.1 and I updated to 1.2.6 and the problem remains. I've since found out there is a fix in settings that allows you to set MIDI thru to OFF. No idea why it is on by default but at least there is a solution. Thought I should add this to the above comment.

[@Andronicus2007]

Funk, that Pro800 track is killing it, good one!

[@boxodrive]

Excellent work can't wait for the full video I'm picking mine up soon.

[@ULTIMATEPATCHES]

Filter env amount range has been fixed in the latest firmware (after this video was recorded.)

[@StarskyCarr]

Just saw that - great someone's listening ;)

[@andyanderson6455]

They did an amazing job nailing this one- it's almost exact in every way- now, if they can get their JP8 like this it's on!

[@payt01]

Awesome comparison . I also noticed that some of the ranges of env response and LFO etc are a bit limited, but it still allows you to get most of the sounds you want to get out of it. I imagine Behringer could pretty easy alow for a wider response if they wanted to, but perhaps the p16 is supposed to be the chosen one for that. Either way the P800 is an awesome little polysynth. It's actually quite the match to my P6 as well for about a fraction of the price.. Pretty crazy if you ask me.

[@ConzDimension]

p6 is my only poly as well. Super excited to add this to the collection

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah it’s at the edges of performance ?modulation) where it’s not a P600 but for the most part - at least 90% of stuff - it’s there.

[@DanglyLingham]

there are other envelopes to choose from which aren't being shown here I do not think. in particular the bass sound at 11:00

[@StarskyCarr]

@@DanglyLingham the envelopes change the timing of the modulation but not the range.

[@GNeuman]

It's a fantastic synth! Makes me wonder if Behringer had the envelope s/w upgrade ready to go from the outset as they were extremely quick to offer the firmware upgrade which *fixed* this *problem*. I've been messing about with mine to try and get some more fm type sounds out of it too, and quite successively, it's not just a pad and brass synth, like the Juno 6/60/106s either

[@xntricity6446]

That was my thinking too, they definitely had this update ready to rock.

[@JDSoundsets]

Interesting the Filter Env Amount is different I wonder if it can be adjusted in the Firmware that is quiet a biggie for me personally but it still sounds nice..

[@TamarinPamarin]

~2000€ vs 399€ Behringer pretty much nailed it. Would love to see firmware update that changes the mod env max amount but this really is great comparison and a great synth.

[@scottharris7222]

I think you got your wish with the latest firmware.

[@ChromosomeSyndicate]

Years ago I could not sell my Prophet 600 for 500 euro and are this synths are now going for 2000 euro ? Ridiculous

[@NickHowesAstro]

The 800 is astonishing., The 1.26 update changes the envelopes to match much more those on the P5 (owned one for years). It's a game changer synth at this price, and augments the DM so well. This with my System-8 has given me back the JP8 and Pro5 sounds I remembered and loved in the 90s. The 1.26 update on the envelopes should be the first thing anyone does. Now makes it a 2600/MS-101/Wasp/DM/Pro800 and Pro-1 (which may or may not stay, as the 800 nails the sync sound I wanted from the sequentials) Makes other manufacturers prices look like a mockery (the big guns, as opposed to the smaller players, who don't have the economy of scale)... But even in those cases, some prices are ridiculous for what you get in comparison to this. Another great video Matt... nice one!

[@klstay]

Behringer pricing is a result of 4 things - economy of scale, labor cost, economy of BOM, and product margin. There is a LARGE price difference when purchasing 2 million vs. 20,000 resistors. Labor cost at their factory is much less than in EU or US. (Longterm implications of being in China vs. Mexico are not encouraging however) Many would be surprised how little BOM difference there is on the voice and control components between Behringer and others; that part of the build is NOT where they save. They spend as little as possible in places where others spend more - there is a certain "aesthetic" expectation spending $3500 for a 6 voice 4 octave monotimbral synth after all. Additionally making an ever broadening range of synths allows use of common components where possible. (Same housing, keybed, chips, control routines, etc.) Margin is MUCH smaller not simply by making up the difference in volume which, if the only factor, would need to be higher. Music Tribe makes a lot of money across a broad range of products. The "clone" synths are passion projects. Each still has to be in the black, but not by as much.

[@NickHowesAstro]

@@klstay excellent response

[@rakazamra148]

It sounds almost peferct!!! Really rich,and massive. The filter env amount is not there,i wish they will fixed it. Great demo (:

[@akagerhard]

Audible differences, but not in terms of quality, just character. My guess is the Behringer is still cheaper if you buy a decent keyboard on top. Personally I'd consider the Behringer more just based on that alone (space). The track is great! That's a vibe and it's very clean and cool. Loving it!

[@akagerhard]

Okay, I looked into the comments. I don't know what these lads are hearing that I'm not hearing.

[@vaiman7777]

@@akagerhardYou have hater ears 😅

[@witchdoctorwise]

@@vaiman7777 you said it sounded like a mediocre vst. That’s not the same as saying it has a slightly different character.

[@akagerhard]

@@witchdoctorwise UNLESS you consider a mediocre plugin to be as good as an analog Prophet 600 - just with a different character. In that case both statements can coexist merrily.

[@vaiman7777]

@@akagerhard At least there’s some common sense here.

[@keithmarksteve]

Both sounded better than Id expect. Not a synth Ive ever jonesed for but Ive got the behringer coming next month just for the flavour. Neither sounded better or worse to me, just a little different, as expected.

[@Blvckfalcon]

That track is heat.... I love the harmonies and melodies...🔥🔥🔥

[@MurrayDagostino]

wow that sounds really good. That demo song gives me awesome Ian Pooley vibes.

[@ogasi1798]

super job as always M.

[@victoratanasov6390]

Would be great and interesting to watch/hear video comparisons between the Behringer PRO-800 and the Prophet 6 and Prophet 5.

[@kristianborisov5928]

Great demo and very tasty track at the end!

[@N4505]

Imo the Pro-800 sounds warmer, more alive and more dynamic than the P600. I can really tell the difference even with my ears closed, just by looking at the video.

[@NamelessSmile]

lol

[@Gabriel.A.L.]

I prefer the 600, it sits better in the mix with less resonance in the spectrum. at least on my phone

[@prizenex]

Agree. Couldn't tell the difference listening through my monitors in the untreated room. Buy as soon as I put on my headphones - p600 is miles ahead in terms of timbres, sweetspots and dynamics

[@NamelessSmile]

@@prizenex dynamics? It's a basic wave going through a filter. The only dynamic aspect is the envelope

[@prizenex]

@@NamelessSmilep600's DCO timbres sound much more musical with steady sub and clear highs, somewhat 3D. I had high expectations for behringer's replica, but for me, it does sound harsh, and dull, without a magic touch feeling, somewhat 2d... unluckily :(

[@casm2003]

cant deny it, uli and co have nailed this

[@DanglyLingham]

Regarding unison bass @11:20 or so.... You can switch out the envelopes to Fast Exponential. Much better for bass! Also you can in addition to faster envelopes you can use the reverse envelope trick which makes it just as fast if not faster. I was easily able to achieve a unison bass that was on the same level in less than a minute. Press Perf + 4 to get to this section. Press 4 again for VCF envelope choice.

[@StarskyCarr]

This wasn't looking at the snappiness... the envelopes on both synths are different, so I'm not going into much detail on that - they're different, but so are lots of P600s - depending on if they have glibly and what glibly firmware they're using. This is demoing the amount of modulation on the filter envelope amount knob combined with the sustain level. Changing the envelope type doesn't affect the amount of modulation applied to the filter. Watch the full video when it comes in a couple of days it'll become clearer.

[@DanglyLingham]

@@StarskyCarr : Some people are confusing this part of the video, interpreting that there is not a proper bass response.

[@StarskyCarr]

@@DanglyLingham OK... to be clear - its hard to match some tones because of the different ranges on the env amount.. so some patches may sound bassier because you want to include more high end transients at the start of the tone. They can both rattle my windows with subs, but the P800 can't scare the bats and rattle the windows with the resonance in a single tone. The P600 can... so there are some places the P600 can't reach (yet), but I think the demo shows it's a well worthy £329 8 voice analog poly.

[@DankePlace]

@@StarskyCarr since you're here and answering q's. you think the age of the P600 will influence how it sounds now? A new P600 vs a P800?

[@freshney]

Honestly you could swap the audio and some people would still claim the 600 sounds better 😂

[@DankePlace]

people would say that the highs are better and that the lows are not as muddy as the P600. People will always try to justify something.

[@DankePlace]

@raymondo6665 the same people that call themselves *audiophiles* Point taken.

[@tomnoise23]

Great comparison, thank you!

[@klstay]

I have been waiting for this. The Behringer haters will insist they hear a LOT of difference and the 800 sounds like crap - terms like "distorted, compressed, thin" etc. will all be used. Regardless how any individual feels the fact is they are going to sell a TON of these.

[@vaiman7777]

Not even close. Sounds like an average vst. I never liked the original, so it’s an easy pass.

[@EnervatedSociety]

@@vaiman7777 Prove it objectively lol.

[@Miicrowahvei]

And they have already sold a lot. Fortunately I ordered mine just before Thomann was sold out.

[@witchdoctorwise]

@@vaiman7777 I think I’ve seen you making these silly comments on all of these threads

[@vaiman7777]

@@witchdoctorwiseI think you are wrong. Considering I own own Behringer gear. Also, this video is proof. Unless you’re deaf?

[@wesantczak3774]

I thought that the Pro800 had the Gigli modification included. "PRO-800 is also fitted with the iconic GliGli modification as standard, in addition to many of the new features that we have implemented including, the noise generator which was only ever found on the rare Japanese editions, full MIDI cc control, USB MIDI connectivity, dual polyphonic sequencer, dedicated LFO with 6 waveshapes, and VCA overdrive."

[@magusreaver]

It is, and the newest firmware takes it a step beyond.

[@StarskyCarr]

It does. It’s not identical - there are omissions and additions - and different settings. But it’s GLIGLI

[@DankePlace]

@@StarskyCarr as long as it wasn't the Gigli mod, we're all good!!

[@EvLoutonian]

@@DankePlace "as long as it isn't" ? (But it is?)

[@grantoverend1]

Great vid! Am curious about that limitation on the Filter Env range on the Pro800, any updates? menu-diving options in software or knobs internally that could extend that?

[@StarskyCarr]

maybe they can change it in an update... I've no idea how these things work. It's all magic!

[@originallondon7994]

lovely chilled club vibe to round it off with.

[@andreievkalupniek5717]

Great! I would like to see a Toro demo with some Pro 800 on it too! I have both ordered on the wait list

[@GNeuman]

Great end track, reminds me of a track off Kruder and Dorfmeister album, "DJ Kicks"

[@imogensun7183]

Thanks for your great video! I am still in the process of comparing the two and while the P600 is definitely more alive (or, in the worst case, depending on how far apart the VCO chips in your P600 are, "alive" could actually mean: unplayable with poly-mod; yours sounds good, though), the basic feel and most patch types are very good, as you show very nicely. So basically it's very good work by Behringer and a good start. I do think that Behringer needs to clear some serious bugs. The head room of cut-off frequency als well as the range of filter env amount that you noticed are just wrong, neither like the P600 nor in any sense an improvement. This MUST be fixed. Since maybe Behringer will listen to you, you could also address the annoying bug that the menu parameters in performance mode are lost when you switch to preset mode and back (it then actually holds the menu parameter values of the last selected patch, which makes it even worse). And there's more, for example that pitch modulation by LFO and env doesn't take tuning in account, arrgh. But most can be fixed using software updates.

[@StarskyCarr]

YeH the cutoff stopping at 19k is weird as is the modulation range. I have a minor rant at the end of my comparison!

[@akagerhard]

@@StarskyCarr Just to make sure: If I was to use this kind of like an analog processor, would it work the same way? Let's say I already recorded midi-notes, but wanted to try another sound and add the Pro 800 on the Track, could I hit play in the DAW, send the MIDI to the Behringer and back to the DAW and tweak the parameters in real-time with next to zero latency? May be a dumb question, but I only use MIDI for DAW-Controllers and Keyboard and such - so it's only going one way (into the DAW). Not out the DAW and back in the DAW. I'm pretty certain it should work as I imagine, but pretty certain is not certain.

[@StarskyCarr]

@@akagerhard yes that’s exactly how I made the track at the end. Recorded the midi notes then played back and tweaked live. This also has midi control of all knobs so you can record your tweaks and edit the to perfection.

[@akagerhard]

@@StarskyCarr beautiful, thanks!

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

@@StarskyCarr Can to Prophet 5/10 do this? That feature alone might tip the balance.... Thank you!

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Starsky put Behringer on his back!!! 💪🏾 Great job to both Behringer and Mr Carr!

[@w.tch.r]

Did you publish that demo track yet? :)

[@geoffk777]

I've never owned a Prophet 600, so my impressin on hearing the new Behrenger was "what a generic boring instrument. It really doesn't sound that great." Your terrific comparison shows that it is indeed an authentic recreation of the original, and my complaint should mostly not be with Behrenger but with the original that it was closely modeled on. The Behrenger is a great value for money and if you're looking for these kinds of vanilla analog sounds, than it might be a good choice. But I'd probably be frustrated by the limitations of it.

[@Iofflight]

It's definitely not as pretty as the p5 or as delightfully goofy sounding as the SixTrak. It's rougher around the edges, which has it's place.

[@DankePlace]

@@Iofflight it's based on the P5 but at a more affordable price with cuts. P5 is always going to sound thicker, warmer, fuller, it comes with better components which pushes the $ up. There is a certain troll trying to convince everyone that a P600 betters a P5, same guy never even knew how to calibrate his P5 so sent it back.

[@matrix12x]

Great video. Does the Pro800 have a filter CV input like the Prophet 600?

[@StarskyCarr]

Yes on the front panel.

[@Its303AcidBass]

I'm feeling the Prophet 600 more. It just sounds fuller and has some bounce to it.

[@0e0]

as a Prophet 600 owner this is what i wanted to see ha

[@0e0]

some differences but who cares...triangles are very different. again..amazing job by Behringer here

[@DankePlace]

@@0e0 it's interesting to see from an owner a leveled opinion. I think with the aging of the P600, you're going to get a totally different sound and this would possibly reflect on the top end but could also influence the bottom end. We will never know as no new P600s exist.

[@Hamfantasy56]

At last a beautifull A/B test with a Sequential Prophet 600: can't wait for an A/B match with a Prophet 5 ! (can be this a no-nonsense test since 1.26 firmaware upgrade?)

[@StarskyCarr]

Yes. This has 1.2.6

[@embersandash]

Got a preorder in the states here which says October and I was supposedly within the first 400 Sweetwater orders. Might pick up two.

[@DanglyLingham]

what firmware version were you using in this video on the P800?

[@StarskyCarr]

1.2.6

[@DanglyLingham]

@@StarskyCarr for the bass patch @11:30 which envelopes were you using? If using default ( slow linear? ) it might be interesting to see how close this particular sound could get with the faster envelopes ( Fast Exponential ). Press Perf + 4 to get to this section. Or as a work around using negative envelope as in this : kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpPWamWMjpWZgNU I was able to get a MUCH closer/better bass patch using the above two methods.

[@StarskyCarr]

@@DanglyLingham I have obviously tried all envelope types. you can tweak stuff, to try to get different responses - the P800 Exp is snappier, the P600 Lin is smoother, but doesn't change the mod amount.

[@titovalasques]

I’m so tempted to get this but I’m trying to hold out for the Pro-16.

[@StarskyCarr]

I'd get this... then the P16 later. If you sell this for £100 less than you paid at least you've had 6 months or more of playing it for just a few £ per week...

[@titovalasques]

@@StarskyCarr Solid point! 👍

[@titovalasques]

@@StarskyCarr Just bought the Pro 800. It's on its way. ☺

[@Grapebotdd]

On headphones the pro 800 lacked low end weight on some examples. Not knocking the 800 at it’s price point, but notable difference.

[@vaiman7777]

Careful, you’ll be labelled a hater. It’s your ears that are wrong!

[@DanglyLingham]

its the programming. Its not the same knob values. I was able to get a proper unison bass quite easily switching the envelopes and using the reverse envelope "trick"

[@StarskyCarr]

The knob values are different on both as they work in a different way. The interaction of the cutoff, env amount and sustain doesn't work the same. It's impossible to get them the identical with the equivalent settings. The Pro-800 seems to work more like the P600 without the GliGli. ... more like the Prophet 5. I see you've commented on a few of these now... hang on a day or two and it will all become much clearer as I run through it.

[@DanglyLingham]

@@StarskyCarr : Yes, I figured the knob values on at least some of the knobs wouldn't be/work the same.

[@AllureMusicLab]

Very Nice Product from Behringer ! Congrats ! But I`m happy with the both of them in my Studio … May be Patches are compatible ?

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

Does the Behringer COME with any patches at all?

[@Synth_Tools]

Just one thing: the 2022 version is NOT a Gligli release. It was done by Gearspace users Imogen and Matrix12x. Gligli hasn't relesed a firmware for the 600 in many years.

[@StarskyCarr]

Aah… thanks for the info. Imogen was in contact about the rev1/2 envelope shapes following my demo last year, which prompted the new beta. I had wondered what the relationship was - should’ve asked I guess!

[@Synth_Tools]

​@@StarskyCarr The 600's CFW life cycle was as follows: Gligli released the first version (2013), Gligli released his last update (c. 2015), Matrix12x developed the white noise add-on (2020), Matrix12x added some new features to the firmware (2021), Imogen reworked heavily the firmware to optimize everything, fixed bugs, added new features, fixed a lots of other things such as the P5ish envelopes, usable LFO amount, a proper arpeggiator (I helped with this too) and a better UI (2022, the latest version). Sadly, Behringer firmware is based on the original Gligli's work and they never implemented all the nice improvements included in Imogen's firmware (I asked them lots of times to do it, but they just did't).

[@Jimbo386000]

They both sound extremely close but they also kind of have something unique in each of them during some demos. If I didn't have my sights on saving for an opsix se than I'd pull the trigger on a pro 800. I just happen to be a sucker for fm synths. Hahaha

[@javijavi-kl4ju]

hey mate what camara r u using ? the video quality is amazing

[@DankePlace]

IMAX

[@StarskyCarr]

Panasonic GH5... it's OK on this but the main video I'd some how focussed on the top of the knobs not the text which was annoying so they're a little out of focus. When you get it right they're bang on though! Apparently they're known for not having the best autofocus. I set them up and leave in manual

[@AlexS....]

Have you modded the Prophet 600's "Glide" knob as "OSC B Level"? Beside that, great job, as always!

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah there’s now a choice in the firmware to change it back to glide if you prefer the old panel layout. I prefer it as the B level, much more useful and you don’t have to go into the menus to add drive.

[@cain5ynth]

Nice vid, thanks. The unit on display looks a bit battered in comparison to mine. Are the all the dents from opening it and exploring the inside? And did you notice the poly AT capability of os version 1.2.0?

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha… what dents ;) there’s a few knocks in the cheeks but other than that there’s nothing like the dents in some others. And no, not noticed the Poly aftertouch. Cheers I’ll have a play. Have you got the same firmware? There’s something weird when I play eg a 4 note F min 7 starting from F4 .. only that and one other chord - it adds an extra voice 1 semitone out of tune.. completely bizarre behaviour. It’s either the firmware or a weird combination of the firmware and newest GLIGLI.

[@cain5ynth]

@@StarskyCarr Mine looks very smooth compared surface wise. The firmware I still treasure is the 1.2.0 - at least that's what it tells me when booting it. I have not experienced. The only out of tune behaviour I have detected is, my playing skills, so far. I will try to post a non-embarrassing video of the poly AT when I have time and get back to you. 🙂

[@kcat80]

Thanks for these videos, in your opinion would getting one be a good idea if you are also interested in the pro one, or pro one bass sounds?

[@StarskyCarr]

Hard to say tbh. It’s not identical but I’d say the envelopes on the P1 are important for those classic P1 style tones. It depends on the accuracy you’re after.

[@kcat80]

@@StarskyCarr Thanks hopefully if it gets two jobs in one it will help curtail the gear acquisition syndrome! At least I'm hoping so lol. think I can probably try the 800 and see how it goes. Excellent vid, it's great that we can hear these comparisons.

[@Donetur]

It sounds great.

[@digo8167]

That sounds extremely close. I still wait for the Pro 6 clone :)

[@StarskyCarr]

I doubt that'll happen, but they are working on a 16 voice prophet 5!

[@digo8167]

@@StarskyCarr Of course i meant the prophet 5 lol

[@gackooDuz]

it`s not important to be identical? I have the Pro800 since two weeks. Great stuff

[@TheSynthnut]

So, the question is, do I sell my original 600 then buy an 800 and pay off some debts? It's getting tempting, I have a Wasp, Pro-One, Mono/Poly and MiniMoog that I'm also having difficulty justifying. Then there's the UB-Xa,, would probably be a better instrument than matrix 6/6R... Oh, and if the BPG 2.3 is as good as the UB-Xa, then there's another potential sale. But, will they last as long or be as serviceable as the OGs may or may not be?

[@melostudio8847]

Can u make Take5 vs pro800 comparasion ? 😘

[@kristianTV1974]

Good comparison - a solid buy it seems. Anyone else getting unstable behaviour (stuck notes/glitches and general noise) when connecting their P800 via USB? If I connect only using MIDI the issue goes away. Not sure if to return it to Thomann just yet as it might be a while before I get a replacement in stock.

[@StarskyCarr]

Only used via MIDI so far… not a fan of USB because of the noise I inevitably get with everything.

[@fjfrancois]

@@StarskyCarr 👍

[@DankePlace]

@@StarskyCarr USB ground loops are a very real thing, concerns me as I was going for an all USB MIDI solution, seems like that is off the table now.

[@StarskyCarr]

@@DankePlace I can think I can safely say there’s not one bit of kit with usb midi that doesn’t add noise (except controllers)

[@kristianTV1974]

Thanks for the replies. It's more than just noise, completely malfunctions.

[@manticore101]

Great demo & great synth. I will set into order a.s.a.p.

[@stoatystoat174]

Close to buying one for sure. Im wandering how to use the "filter cv in" which sits between the "sync in" and "phones" inputs on the front panel, what can you plug in, how many volts, whacan it effect? can only find vague cv in stuff on t'internet (my comments are mostly to feed the algerythm because im too tight fisted to leak patrion cash or owt, so if its a long answer don't lose the time😗)

[@normdurkin6425]

hey Professor I know you own both.. how would you compare the Behringer Pro-800 vs the Prophet 08..? ..I am most interested in how the oscillators compare between the two..? ..thank you for your time and help..

[@StarskyCarr]

I’ve no longer got the Pro 8 - sold it for the P6. I would say they are different in so many ways except the 8 voices and the name! I loved the mod options on the P8, the 4 LFOs, 3 envelopes etc. but if that’s not up your street then the P600 is just dandy.

[@normdurkin6425]

@@StarskyCarr yes I understand Professor.. I purchased my Prophet 08 rack from Zzounds in 2013.. it was new but sent back to the Dave Smith Instruments factory to swap out the encoders for potentiometers then it was sent back to Zzounds.. I bought it as reconditioned for $850.00.. I will never sell it because of the 4 LFO's , 3 envelopes and ability to layer A and B (4 oscillators with 4 notes of polyphony..) ..I also have 2 Morpho's and a Tetra.. ..no other 8 polyphony synth has had my interest so far for the price until this Behringer Pro-800 hit.. I was asking because I believe that if anyone would know it's you.. unless the oscillators on the Pro-800 are much better then the Prophet 08 I probably should spend the money on something else..?

[@michaelpierce3264]

mr Carr how a review on the unit? pros and cons?

[@StarskyCarr]

It’s ready to go… I was hoping to release it today but had some tech issues. Probably Sunday now.

[@michaelpierce3264]

will be looking forward to it I hope behringer did a good job on the resonance.thats one they tend to f up like the deepmind the cat that I’ve notice

[@danielsolomon63]

So close, yet so far! Behringer did a good job in that price but the differences are pretty obvious with the original being more pleasant and rounded. I will get a behringer over an original one? Absolutely! But let's not kid ourselves, if we had the money the original would have been the road to take.

[@wrmusic8736]

But we have nothing like this at $400, it's a properly nice sounding, fully featured analog polysynth at their used price point of late '80s when people were just dumping them. You'll get comparable sound today only when going into the Take 5 / Prophet 6 area (not even Korg Prologue) and those are 5 and 6 voice synths that cost upwards of $1500. The real question is - why not?

[@maccagrabme]

I cant really hear much difference apart from the filter envelope differences but not bothered about that and the space savings make it a winner.

[@MrHasardos]

I hope they fix the ENV amount problem. A really big difference and unfortunately in the wrong direction. If they fix that, then why not.

[@lovelydonkey]

Got mine on Sunday and it's got problems straight out the box. Master volume knob stops working. Freezes up and weird audio glitches at times. Could be a wonky batch. Sounds sweet when it's behaving

[@DankePlace]

Have you tried the newer Firmware?

[@lovelydonkey]

@@DankePlace yep. Updated it. Said it was successful. Going try a few more things this morning but it's probably going to back

[@DankePlace]

@@lovelydonkey GL with it, hopefully it's not faulty.

[@StarskyCarr]

sounds like its got issues to me... I'd return and replace.

[@graysonpeddie]

Is it possible to slow down the scrolling of text for presets? That display went too fast for me.

[@StarskyCarr]

No… try doing it in the original. With just a very dull 2 character display it’s like trying to click the final level of a 1980s video game. 😂

[@graysonpeddie]

@@StarskyCarr Well if Behringer wants to display the name of the preset, why do it in a small screen? I don't have either of the synths to test.

[@StarskyCarr]

@@graysonpeddie I guess to stick to the aesthetic of the original.

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

I have two weeks left to decide whether to keep my Prophet 10 module ($3,400) or send it back. I found out post-purchase about these Behringer clones. The same thing happens in the sax mouthpiece business. Vintage ones sell for thousands, but CC and paper mache (I mean 3D printing...) clones are 200 bucks. I have a 2000 3D printed copy of a $1500 Meyer alto mouthpiece, it's fantastic. Behringer also has Deepmind and supposedly a forthcoming actual P10 clone. Why shouldn't I just switch and save thousands? No layering / splitting, OK, but is that worth three thousand bucks? The Behringer is about the same price as the TAX I paid on my P10! Help, please!

[@vaiman7777]

Keep it and buy a Pro 800 too. They’ll be around for ages so there’s no rush. Letting gear go for other stuff has always led to regret for me. Unless I hate it. The 800 takes up little space too. 2 is better 😊

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

@@vaiman7777 I don't have to sell it, I can simply return it to the store. The Pro 800 isn't available in the states, have to buy from overseas. Why have both? Are they not basically the same?

[@StarskyCarr]

They’re almost the same but not quite. I’ve a more detailed review coming on Sunday so I’d watch that first before making a decision. Considering even the p10 vs the p600 I’d go with the P10 for the interface and overall quality of the tone and envelopes, modulation.. whether it’s worth 10x the P800 very much depends on personal preferences.

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

@@StarskyCarr Thank you. I've literally got to July 17 to send the P10 back. If I order the Pro 800 today, I'll get it Monday. It weighs 3.5 pounds to the P10's 10, making it more portable for gigging, but I don't like those small buttons (I have big hands) and apparently having to page through menus with not much of a manual. But my wallet is trying to justify basically $3000 for the P10 over the Pro 800. And I do have reservations about the whole concept, but I suppose any patents ran out long ago and this is the risk that SC itself took. So actually, the legal system (my profession) might actually applaud Behringer's clones...

[@StarskyCarr]

@@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKHLga2Vrpt2Z8k

[@RonWellsJS]

Tune, oldskool sound design done right.

[@michaelpierce3264]

I think it almost sound better than the prophet 600 snappier and clearer!

[@StarskyCarr]

Its definitely a bit cleaner on the filter... possibly an unavoidable 40 year difference ;)

[@DankePlace]

@@StarskyCarr yes yes this was the answer I was looking for. Aging of components certainly will have a part here.

[@allkeyspro6606]

STILL not available at Sweetwater!!!!

[@Shred_The_Weapon]

Is the 800 actually loaded with VCOs and VCFs instead of modeled ones? If so, how is it so compacted and economical?

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah its an all analog signal path.

[@NamelessSmile]

It does away with the keyboard, the practicality of the knob spacing so it can put all the components on one board (cheaper than multiple boards connected with cables while sacrificing repairability)

[@Shred_The_Weapon]

Good point, @@NamelessSmile. That makes plenty of sense to me, particularly as a guy with way too many keyboard synthesizers and only a couple of modules.

[@NamelessSmile]

@@Shred_The_Weapon same, too many keyboards...but still feel slightly cheated if I buy a module lol

[@Shred_The_Weapon]

I enjoy attaching the two that I own to my master keyboard, @@NamelessSmile, an S90XS. That thing feels so good to play, I can’t even complain that it only has channel aftertouch.

[@jmoffitt36]

Getting 2 for sure. I know polychain isn’t supported at this time. No big deal

[@DankePlace]

Polychaining is supported, you need to use a 3rd party device, someone has uploaded how to do it, results to me are not overly spectacular, stabs and plucks don't work imo, pads do.

[@reddragonrespect]

stack two of them and pan. super stereo wide bass sounds. i can listen for hours.

[@mickwilliams910]

Hearing big differences and how long will the Behringer last? SMT ain't gonna be easy to fix in the future. Most techs will not deal with SMT. Behringer's with SMT boards having bad components will be orff to a landfill, No doubt swapped out by a replacement board (if even available in future.) If not these Behringer products will go into the loft or basement, to be tossed by our kids into the landfill next to the cemetery when we also pass away.

[@DankePlace]

like pretty much everything else being currently manufacture now right?

[@MrMargaretScratcher]

I have a Juno 6 and a 106, so I don't necessarily need another polysynth.... buuuut.....

[@helisoma]

Ya i'm on the fence...i have a Juno-6, JX-10, JP8000 on the way plus the Behringer Model D and couple other boutique synths...asking myself if i really need this even though clearly it's an amazing emulation

[@MrMargaretScratcher]

@@helisoma I caved in and bought it, haha!

[@hoagy_ytfc]

I'm still annoyed that the "8" is upside-down ;)

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha I know it’s weird - it’s the font - strange.

[@petedevriese]

I understand there was a recent firmware update giving faster attack times on the Behringer. Is this demo from before or after the update? I pre-ordered in March and have finally been given a delivery date of mid-August. Definitely seems worth the wait, especially for the price.

[@StarskyCarr]

After. I’ve not tried to match envelopes as they’re different. Mine has a 2022 beta release with improved linear envelopes and now the Pro-800 has snappier exponential.

[@RealityShiftUK]

People are comparing it to the prophet 5 I own the prophet 5 v on v colection 9. I can’t imagine getting close to that on some of the sounds here! Sorry if I’m wrong

[@StarskyCarr]

It’s not a Prophet 5 - but has similar tricks up it’s sleeve - so may not sound the same but you can do a lot of the same things. So you’re right, but I get why it’s compared to one.

[@RealityShiftUK]

@@StarskyCarr True still tempted to buy a pro 800 will go nicely with the model d I think

[@e-conrecords4665]

Masterclass on how to write a melodic house bassline.

[@jmfhsmith4923]

I think the 600 sounds thicker and heavier than all the 5s and sadly the new Pro-800. Seems like it even though it appears to be louder in this comparison. I hope Behringer can fix this in a mark 2 someday. I would pay $1000 for that I suppose. I guess you could always re-record many parts later when you can afford the 600. I might try to send it through a Vermona Retroverb and see if the 800 can sound more monstrous that way.

[@StarskyCarr]

Just an FYI I monitor the levels and adjust each take to make them equal per tone and per tweak - I spend ages doing it precisely because I get so much grief if they’re uneven … BUT … different harmonic content results in different perceived levels through every monitoring situation - in some videos I’ve even added the level graphic to demo this - but it feels a little too anal tbh. So yeah may appear louder but overall SPLs are balanced.

[@jmfhsmith4923]

Good work. I really thank you for doing your best with this.

[@helisoma]

there's a planned CS-80 clone? 😳

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah… I’ve not got an original one of those either 😀

[@vaiman7777]

Great video as usual. Your work is exceptional. I can hear clear differences. Apparently that makes me a bad person. I’ve not said the B is crap, it’s a great little unit. But from this, it’s not a clone. More of a “nod to”

[@witchdoctorwise]

You said it sounded like a mediocre vst mate. Madness

[@vaiman7777]

@@witchdoctorwise In your crusade to defend what others simply hear… you clearly can’t read either. I said average vst. You know , not like high end Omnisphere. But as you’ve defended at least 3 other posters… why am I surprised.

[@witchdoctorwise]

@@vaiman7777 ok now you are clearly either trolling or being very silly indeed

[@vaiman7777]

@@witchdoctorwise 11:35 then come back ok.

[@DankePlace]

@@witchdoctorwise he does this all the time when you call him out, he doesn't like being corrected then attacks said corrector in some vague attempt to discredit them.

[@DankePlace]

Great comparison Starsky, in a mix, you're not going to hear any difference, no one will know that there is a cheaper alternative, unless they've been told, and with mixes, unless the instrument is the only instrument in the mix, you again wont hear it. I don't know if it has been mentioned but the age of the P600 is now going to make it sound different than new, so this is something to possibly factor in. It would have been nice to have a new P600 but we all know that isn't possible. I did notice that with the resonance turned down, there was a depth of bass on the P600 slightly more noticeable than the 800, but then the 800 was clearer in the higher frequencies, this again can be attributed to the aging of the P600. None the less, great A vs B vid. In no way shape or form is a P600 worth 4 ~ 5 times more than a P800 when you're making music where the synth is not going to be in a mix by itself, it simply does not make any economic sense, especially when you're listeners will be none the wiser. 1 q, do the sequencers have step function or is it only real time? Thx for the upload. Demo song was great loved it.

[@vaiman7777]

Well known bully who follows people around on YT. Weird tbh. Also stated anyone who dislikes a synth can’t buy it. Laughing at poor folk, awful human.

[@DankePlace]

@@vaiman7777 you got all that from my comment? Wow you seem to be reading too deeply into something that does not exist?

[@vaiman7777]

@@DankePlace 11:35 btw

[@DankePlace]

@@vaiman7777 you probably never read my comment, just glossed over it, as I addressed this (bass and resonance), letters on a screen must be hard for you. I would never argue that the P800 sounds like an "average VST" based just on this, like you have. As you were.

[@vaiman7777]

@@DankePlace So nobody could hear that in a mix? Literally what you wrote. And yes, I stand by a mid range plugin could emulate this. For a 'clone' not to clone it's intended unit...it's not a clone, simple as. This video shows that. The same people like you, called everyone who mentioned the filters. Then B change them. You guys just listen with your wallets. At ease

[@urbannpa]

$400.00 vs $1600.00 and the Behringer sounds great.

[@MelodromeMusicTR]

So history rewritten with new budget rules😂

[@flitflint]

the prophet 600 is more present, and there's a nasally sizzle at all times with the Behringer unless the filter is mostly closed. vintage just sounds better. :P

[@marklawrence909]

Nice, but the original still has an edge that the new version lacks. I can't imagine many people will be buying the old units online now, the Pro 800 is a bargain, even if not 100% the same in the grunt department.

[@shankars3329]

I want one for polyphony - got an MS-20 for grunt and Moog gear as well, I was looking at a Moog One for polyphony, but this is a MUCH smarter purchase, plus if I use it for chords that sit higher in a mix, the lack of edge doesn't matter :D

[@DaveDali-x1v]

Great demo but that first drum hits with high volume on the Song demo was unneccesary I was with the headphones at high volume, fuck my Ears, be careful with that things..

[@RoyChartier]

The Prophet vs the False Prophet! Who can claim the gift of divine pulse width modulation? Do those voltage generated tones speak to god or an unspeakable evil?