Her BREAKING POINT | The VITAL Part of WoW That Blizzard DIDN’T Put In-Game | Sylvanas EXPLAINED

[@BellularGaming]

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[@CursedSwallow]

@@nerb6833 How would you prefer creators make money?

[@EnDTh3S1L3NcE]

@@nerb6833 speak for yourself, I have owned a pair of the 58x jubilees for several months now and they are amazing headphones. From what I've seen, Bell doesn't run sponsors for the hell of it, always have relevant services, also drop as a website is incredible especially for audiophiles

[@marianzelnik]

The sennheisers RS195 are the only way.

[@RageShroud]

I love to hear more about my Queen!!!!

[@RageShroud]

SHE NEEDED NO ONES HELP, IT IS ALWAYS MANIPULATION.

[@Kunori]

Christie Golden/Blizzard: "Azerite makes you smarter!" Player character, after being constantly exposed to azerite for months: "Hrrrrrm yes spooky dagger very trustworthy"

[@ashketchum1456]

Hahaha that's hilarious. Our player characters really do seem to be on the slower side, don't they?

[@TheDMNMOR]

Christie Golden in my opinion is one of the most shallow writers I have ever read. She only ever tells the bare minimum to make a passable story. When I see her name on a book cover I skip right on by it.

[@p331083]

@@TheDMNMOR Shes absolutely god awful. Anduin not caring that the Horde torched the world tree then raised the dead NEs as forsaken is pants on head retarded. What "peace" did the Alliance get? Stormwind wasnt attacked, IF wasnt attacked. The only Alliance territory attacked was that of the Night Elves/Worgen. Instead of striking back at the Horde and pushing them out of NE lands what do they do? Attack a tribe of trolls theyve never heard of and piss them off. But it all makes perfect sense if you read her tweets and understand shes heavily interjecting her personal ethos into WoW and not just writing a story.

[@jamieweir645]

​@@p331083 glad someone said it. She's a fucking stain on the WoW story, just leave already.

[@goblinounours]

@@p331083 What you said here is EXACTLY why I'm sick of WoW. Every new expansion adds a new continent/island which vampirizes the rest of the WORLD of Warcraft. I was SO PISSED at the start of BFA because you could send your champions on missions, which all had interesting descriptions for the war that was happening in, most notably, Lordaeron, as the Forsaken were being bitch-slapped by the Alliance. At one point, they were forced to retreat in Shadowfang Keep. Did *we* see that in-game ourselves? Nope. It was faaaar more important to grind AP in Zandalar/Kul'tiras.

[@MrGoesBoom]

And this is something I hate....Books filling in background after the fact or detailing historical events that only get passing mention are great. Books that give massive plot and character growth and provide massive motivation for changes in the current history of the game/world....and none of it shows up IN the game, that's just garbage and is bad storytelling. The books/comics/etc are SUPPLEMENTARY, the actual events, character growth, and pivotal choices should be showing up in the game we're all paying a monthly subscription to be a part of. Not something that happens off screen and you have no clue about unless you drop $25 in the book store.

[@BellularGaming]

Yeah. The motivation in the material covered today absolutely should have been in game

[@Princessshamanarta]

Exactly!

[@reitad9800]

I have to wonder if this is the Blizz writing team dropping the ball and handing their job to other people or if it is Blizz itself just wanting more money by other means.

[@cookiedoughdynamo2747]

@@reitad9800 No, this has been going on for far too long to call it just dropping the ball. I remember way back when characters out of the comics suddenly took center stage in the attack on Undercity. As a paid game subscriber only you had no clue who these people were. It has been a continuous fight between game subs who figured 120 bucks a year should be all inclusive, and Blizzard trying to essentially sell narrative DLC.

[@rikumatsumoto7176]

I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with the books. However I feel they need to tie the books into the game more so both would flow more smoothly into each other. Or , as much as I hate timegating, if they implemented all the book stuff into the game, then I could see a justification for timegating because the books have a lot of material, the previous one being Before the storm. That would have made really nice 7.3.5/prepatch content.

[@Cassi.D.Sunset]

Sylvanas: If I dedicated myself to peace with the Alliance, how long would it last? Saurfang: Idk at least an expansion or two.

[@wraithflaire1639]

Lol

[@AnastasiaBeaverhausen-tn6cx]

The alliance refused to allow sylvanas and the undead back into their faction after arthas turned them. The were humans and high elves that their families in the alliance abruptly abandoned. She tried to go back, but she and her people were Forsaken by them. Literally, which is why they call themselves the forsaken. If the alliance would have accepted them from the start, since they were their own kin, this never would have happened. The alliance hides behind peace as a fake front but they really hate everyone who isn't like them so there would never be any peace. That's why Calia and Derek are getting important roles now, instead of feeling shame and apologizing for what they did, they are too afraid another sylvanas will happen and have to "accept" them now

[@hectorandem2944]

@@AnastasiaBeaverhausen-tn6cx Amen to that. 👌

[@petersander5802]

No you haven 't seen the video om that and in the end She kills her allies.

[@wilfredoretamalm]

Bellular, Master of Ad weaving.

[@greggatewood1618]

Hell yea lmao

[@Vixikats]

For real, though. Sennheiser headphones are probably the best headphones in the $150 price range. To give him credit where credit is due, at least.

[@Trunka34]

Atleast you can skip it if not interested

[@Norvieable]

Best cans for that money

[@cbilici]

Gotta make that bread

[@ZergS4uc3]

the issue with sylvanas is that she doesnt act at all like her warcraft3 counterpart, most every character in wow doesnt act even remotely like their warcraft3 counterparts, they continuously change lore to better suit their current writing staff instead of upholding the original lore. it also doesnt help that like 343 all the lore we want to see in game is in other media that most players will never see or know about

[@drudle]

Agreed. Everyone acts like they've grown as characters. As if events and time has changed them over the course of their lives. I want my characters to act the same as they did years prior. Like, Jaina should remain the same character that she was in WC3 despite having to deal with Arthas becoming the LK and being killed, her father being killed and her nation turning her back on her, and her island of Theramore being blown up with her people and friends murdered. Why can't she just be the same character from WC3 despite all that?

[@griknorillidarzul]

@@drudle theres a difference between a character growing and a character being a far cry from their initial state, none of the characters in wow grew from their warcraft3 counterparts, they had clear arcs and growth in the rts but there is no consistency from that growth to the start point in wow

[@AnastasiaBeaverhausen-tn6cx]

Kinda like how aggressive the Nelfs were with killing but it took this "war" just to get them to act like that in game

[@AnastasiaBeaverhausen-tn6cx]

@@drudle Because she lied about sylvanas murdering the king and is no longer interested in being an ally

[@drudle]

@@AnastasiaBeaverhausen-tn6cx Wha? Who?

[@austinm5630]

8:42 NO! No, no, no! She is not "under duress" or "under threat" when a random, then-nameless moonguard on the brink of death on the beach gets under her skin. In that moment, Sylvanas stands victorious. She has won. She has outsmarted the Alliance at every turn and every single thing has gone EXACTLY to plan. The events that lead up to her burning the tree are NOT the same as when Genn attacks her in Stormheim. She is under no duress of any kind, so this decision is COMPLETELY out of character for her, PERIOD. Please stop trying to make this make sense. It DOES NOT make sense NO MATTER HOW YOU SPIN IT. Blizzard's writing team may be outstanding, but on this one point, they shat the bed, period, end of discussion. Nothing before or since justifies this one, braindead stupid decision and all the other events that use the burning of Teldrassil as a foundation are thus built upon a foundation of shit.

[@blacksesamecandies]

The character who literally wants to kill as many people as possible a multiply her people and gain more control acts out of character by doing this exact thing. It's a show of force - the same way IRL using a nuke would be a show of force.

[@drudle]

@@blacksesamecandies Exactly. It's the same thing real life warlords did (and still do). You can invade a village, round up all the villagers you can, and murder them all. But at the end of the day you still burn down their buildings and salt their fields. Sylvanas burning down Teldrassil is completely in character for a warlord who is trying to show their strength. Take into account that she was, and is, done with this whole "will they won't they" with the Alliance and Horde. She discusses it in the BFA opening. She's done with the tiny skirmishes. With both forces dancing around each other with truces that get broken. She wanted to make a stand that her Horde couldn't come back from. Trying to take Ashenvale is chump change. Burning down Teldrassil, to her, would end any hope of Horde and Alliance getting together.

[@baamnight6878]

It's funny how she's flawed because she's too emotional under pressure. The banshee queen isn't dead inside.

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

I think Sylvanas just needs a god damn hug. Shame what Vareesa did to her.

[@mr.kingofphenomenal4629]

@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 Especially when Slyvanas didn't ask for this curse. She sacrificed herself so high elves who are now blood elves to escape.

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

Oh my. Throw her to wayfarer's rest in silvermoon, she'll get swarmed by em!

[@cyberbanshee]

Rlack Babbit she is not emotional, she just cruel

[@dargurt]

Her being "too emotional" isn't within her character it is just BFA nonsense. She was level headed during Arthas assault on Quel'Thalas…. Hell in Silverpine forrest when Godfrey LITTERALLY KILLS HER... she is just like "Meh I guess I got betrayed again".

[@goblinounours]

The problem I have with all of this is that Blizzard *decided* to turn Sylvanas into an impulsive fool. I never perceived her to be so impulsive and insecured back in WC3 and earlier in WoW. In BfA, she managed to be influenced by a dying night-elf... And even when she should be feeling level-headed, explain to me how her tactics with the loyalist players make any sense: she keeps telling the loyalist players "to act like rebels with Saurfang" while she sends some of the last Sunreavers we have against us, as if it was part of her grand scheme to kill them off (and maybe it is, which means her mustache-twirling-levels are over 9000). She could've trapped the rebels here and ended them there, as she knew fully well they were coming... but no, I guess her plan was to let them live so they could make the cinematic where she bails Team-Rocket-style happen. It's simple: for Sylvanas, Blizzard was overly inspired by Cersei Lannister... Blizzard has decided to ruin Sylvanas, to ruin yet another Horde leader. How long before we find Sylvanas as a raid boss? Or even worse, as a dungeon boss? Or as a end-of-zone-event like Garrosh in Nagrand? I hope this never happens, really. We already lost two capital cities to this idiocy. I'm glad there won't be a warchief after Sylvanas. It was getting ridiculously stupid to see every warchief die/leave after 2 expansions.

[@AnadynTheCursed]

I think that Bellular's account misses the whole "cause as much death and destruction as possible for the larger plot" at the Teldrassil. She couldn't have come up with that during the war, and it means that it influenced her desicion there. Like, there aren't that many battles that can cause more death than burning an enemy capital packed with civillians. And hey, Cersei (especially book!Cersei) is way worse both in terms of planning and adapting plans to changing circumstances, she brought on herself everything that happened to her without any larger forces acting against her plans at the start.

[@drudle]

Well, it was easy for Sylvanas to be patient when she was still in the beginning and middle of her machinations. It wasn't until everything was coming to fruition (and ultimately falling apart) that she became reckless. Which is totally realistic. Have you ever played Overwatch? Or any game with a time limit? When you have five minutes you take your time, plan out your strategy, and act carefully. It isn't until you have ten seconds left that you begin doing a mad dash, throwing yourself onto the point just to gain a little ground in hopes of a win. As you reach the end of your progress, you become more desperate, not less stressed.

[@EnigmaticRealist]

Well, when you have that asshole Furor being the one to "develop her character" over time this is the wonderful result we get. To the biggest baby in EverQuest, whining about everything we're treated to this garbage now. To me, it's a slap in the face of the lore of WoW when Tigole and Furor put themselves in the game as statues.

[@drawkcaBForward]

Plus, isn't being undead supposed to dull your emotions? Or maybe not. Blizzard seems to flip-flop on that a lot.

[@drudle]

@@drawkcaBForward To an extent, yeah. It's supposed to dull all senses, too, as your soul isn't properly bound to your body. There's so many caveats, though. And there's differences between Scourge, Forsaken, and others. The problem becomes that once you completely remove emotion from a character, you put a character's motivation for doing anything into question. The idea of undead being emotionless and empty is neat and all, but without that you have nothing to propel them. Even self-preservation is based on emotion (fear). The only way you could say they have no emotion is if you called their free will into question; if all their actions were dependent on the will of someone with emotions then they could still go out and do stuff while still feeling nothing.

[@lelouche25]

Wait...are you saying...Sylvannas...is a Tsundare!?!? Sylvannas: I-its not like I needed your help old ork....baka! Me: my god....it all make sense now.

[@carrastealth]

7:45 "if she was like this at all times, the War would have played out differently." She WAS like this the entire time, till they decided in BFA that she was an easily triggered and baited Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain instead. "She acts differently under pressure." Yeah, starting THIS expansion. We could say the same thing about Daenerys with that logic can't we? Blizzard decided to 180 the calm collected strategist and went with "bitches be crazy" to force her into scenarios she wouldn't have found herself in the way she was characterized before. The ranger general that kept her cool despite having Saurfang insult her by calling her Arthas (a name that still sends rage through her) and her reacting calmly and with a clever quip... is now triggered by the word 'hope' and easily baited. Give me a break -_- Just as how they decided they would wipe everything away she'd ever said or done that was good (and was WRITTEN with that intent) and just went 'well she was lying..' which is the cheapest way out you can imagine. Fact of the matter is, they didn't want to have an actual war with the brilliant strategist Sylvanas vs the Inexperienced Anduin. They wanted the Unhinged Saturday Morning Cartoon Sylvanas and the Superhero Mary Sue Anduin and they pushed it. Which is why BFA's storytelling isn't just one of WoW's weakest from that perspective, but a prime example of how 'foreshadowing' is NOT character development.

[@drudle]

I'm curious why people really push the "Saturday Cartoon villain" angle. It's pretty much the only term anyone can come up with (to the extent that you need to use it multiple times in one post, ouch). At least vary it up and throw some mustache twirling in if you're going to mischaracterize her portrayal. See, she isn't Skeletor. People keep trying to imply she is. She isn't cackling at the sky going, "Nyehehe! EVIL!" If anything, she's Azula (was ATLAB even on Saturday mornings? Hm) who is typically pointed at one of the best, most complex characters on the show. Both characters are tactful, strong women in authority who are yearning for power to protect their people and fight their enemies. Both gather a group of allies at their disposal whom they confide in during their campaign to spread the reach of their empire. Both ascend to a role of kingship, only to find that their allies had left them alone with their own encroaching madness. Both are left near alone, lashing out at anyone around them as they sprial downward, reduced to a shell of their former selves, driven mad by the corrupting influence of their newfound power and their self-imposed loneliness as that same power is being threatened by both enemies and former allies as their city is marched on. Sure, you can call it cliche. It's been done before (multiple times) just as most things in Warcraft (they didn't exactly originate anything.) But to claim she's been reduced to some cardboard cutout is pretty not on point.

[@AnastasiaBeaverhausen-tn6cx]

no. She did NOT lie. There is a CONTINGENCY plan which occurs DIRECTLY AFTER THIS. her loyalists were told and prepared for different outcomes and this was one of them. She got the souls fed to hungering darkness and unified the horde / alliance which were necessary for her plans for when the void invade azeroth. she and her forsaken are the only ones immune. all you have to do is dedicate some time to read and watch the videos for scenes you don't see She's been nothing but calm and cunning. Just because she raised her tone and said "burn it," when saurfang betrayed her occupation of darnassus plan doesn't change that. Just because she said "i trusted you," during the Mak'Gora doesn't change that. Her tones have seemed increasingly annoyed, if anything because she's got her plans going fine. Sylvanas plan is to usurp death so when the void invades she can save the world since she and her people are immune. In order to do this the hungering darkness needed countless souls. War helped accomplish this AND helped unify the horde / alliance so they can stand with her as one when the void comes. There's literally a plan A B C D, and a contingency plan for all. If annoying, she's acted annoyed in her tones, because at this point, her plans of the souls and unifying horde / alliance is complete. She and her followers don't need to stay in a place where we are unwanted. as far as arthas name giving her rage, She said that DURING THE GARROSH QUEST LINE IN SILVERPINE. AFTER she KILLED HERSELF at the end of ICC and start of next expansion cata. she's probably over it and more worried about THE FUCKING VOID INVADING THE PLANET and HOW TO SAVE IT when only her loyalists support her because everyone else is hateful for those who are different. the alliance abandoned sylvanas once she regained her identity and helped other undead find theirs. She became their hero and gave them a home. She was abused by garrosh under his thumb. She offered gilneas mercy, "mercy that i was never shown," referencing arthas. Then the entire legion expansion Greymane and his dogs stalked her. If a horde leader staked one of the alliance ones an expansion we would never hear the end of it. goddess, and as for Khaleesi was a hero that was degraded by misogynists. A little girl raped and owned rises above, liberates and inspires others, and goes to reclaim what's rightfully hers but has to be stopped when males have done much worse. Sylvanas will not be getting stabbed in the heart just because incest-lovers and misogynists were writing it and would have rather scene perversions of rape and incest instead. Funny how you can be strong, have dragons, have death powers, follow your own plans and your own sense of "honor," but because you don't have a FUCKING DICK everyone dumbs it down to "bitches." As soon as a female does what men do but better, and more honorable, what do you do? DEGRADE THEM :D ofc

[@shaesullivan]

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[@hectorandem2944]

*This* 👍

[@chelenides9574]

Thank you and the team for all the hard work. You have a permanent place on my second screen!

[@quantum_ogre]

I really enjoyed the video, Bellular. However, I think you're giving the writing team too much credit. It isn't just the chopping of the narrative into different mediums- the whole handling of characters this expansion follows a trend of 'one hand not knowing what the other is doing' where their story is involved. The same thing happened with Cataclysm - you get Stonetalon Garrosh, Twilight Highlands Garrosh, and then BOMB THE CITY Garrosh. Just because they conclude a plotline doesn't mean it was consistent. And yeah, one could say that the story is showing you a multifaceted character, though it seems all too much a covering of a disjointed narrative plan. But I think the size of the game and its update cycle in addition to the writing staff (in Metzen's own words) writing around the choices of the gameplay suggests otherwise.

[@jackbanks7075]

This. You nailed it.

[@drudle]

But isn't that consistent with reality? How I act at work is different than how I act with my parents which is different than how I act with my friends. Having a character have multiple ways that they interact with others, their environment, and choices made around them is .. normal. I hate to say it. When I look at Sylvanas' characterization and choices, I find them pretty spot on. Then again, I always believed her current iteration to be her true self, since WoW began. With all this coming out I've felt very validated.

[@griknorillidarzul]

@@drudle in every comment thread you keep trying to defend bad writing and inconsistency

[@drudle]

@@griknorillidarzul Every? Not every. Like, maybe five? And it isn't really bad or inconsistent. Everything done so far makes sense, story wise. That is, if you actually pull in the different plot lines that define a character. If you don't then /shrug

[@kyotheman69]

@@drudle you're just wasting your breath, its still bad writing in the end of day, all this stuff should of been IN THE GAME, not for us to read dam books

[@Judge_RR]

SYLVANAS GONE WRONG (GONE SEXUAL)

[@Judge_RR]

I'm just messing around. You're a top lad for pumping out all this content. This is your mantle.

[@studiosraufncingr6965]

(almost died)

[@stareye_1062]

(Cops called)

[@zachdeems8262]

Forsaken gone wild!

[@orange-micro-fiber9740]

This makes soooooooo much more sense when it's put together like this.

[@dowden6165]

@John Arch One more time

[@paulovelloso9753]

Yeah but blizzard don’t like putting stories in their video games they like spreading it out so you have to pay more money to figure out what the hell they’re trying to tell

[@LuckyPed10]

@John Arch IIRC, except the Beyond the storm book, the rest of the parts are available for free on blizzard's website.

[@nurbsivonsirup1416]

@John Arch Most of the story they DO put in I wish they hadn't either.

[@manchovieclemmons2380]

They assassinated her character... not by making her evil, she was always evil, but by making her irrational and impulsive. (Also slightly stupid at times.) The writers keep trying to convince us that she is playing 8d chess, but it always comes off as her making really bad decisions. For instance, through history which enemy has managed to stand up against the allys and the horde and achieve victory? Literally no one, and she was in charge of one of the potentially strongest forces in the world. She is portrayed as politically savvy in the novels, yet, none of it shows in the events. Frankly, it all contradicts itself so much that I have no idea what her character even is now.

[@Gothos]

11:25 so throwing your axe in the back of some nameless bastard would be OK for Saurfang? PS. Also, book night elves behave like proper wood elves.

[@QQleKK]

my thoughts exactly (about saurfang) ;]

[@Forty2de]

I don't like the way they're making an undead character, who's supposed to be nihilistic and numb, into a narcissistic and grandiose tyran. I actually thought that after getting her vengeance, undead Sylvanas would be interested in safeguarding not only her people but also the joys of life that living creatures take for granted. *"What are we if not slaves to this torment?"*

[@blacksesamecandies]

Until she found dark forbidden magic and used it stave off the horrid death/hell she faced. It's always been her plan since killing Arthas (and trying to kill herself) to master death. Also, if she was just a stoic character with no reactions or feelings - why would she "try to protect her people?" isn't that an emotional attachment? Wouldn't it be boring AF to write a character with absolutely no reactions to shit going on?

[@berkayperin2813]

Blizzard cant write lore anymore imo, the quality difference between warcraft trilogy and wow is too big

[@drudle]

@@berkayperin2813 Nah. The lore is the same quality it's always been. People just don't like change.

[@drudle]

@Richard Ashendale Considering the minimal amount of story in WC1 and WC2, I have no doubt people wouldn't get upset with WC3. And yeah, WC3 was great. No one is really fighting against that. But I disagree with your second statement is all. Considering how much lore there has to be in a game franchise of fifteen years, you will of course have more instances of worse or better narrative. The ratio remains the same but you have more examples because you're dealing with much more story.

[@OpticalArxenal]

Yeah, I understand the whole telling story in different mediums because you can deliver it better through, say, a book. Problem is it makes things disjointed AF. And if they price-tag it, rather callous.

[@Gemcat]

I dislike the characterization that she is "insecure". She is psychologically broken. She holds it together until she is triggered and then she loses control, lashing out in anger and fear. She might not even be able to name why she acts this way. I won't deny she is a narcissist, as everything is always framed in what has happened to her, what it means to her, that people do things for or against her. Hell, she believes at least a part of the UNIVERSE is against her. I'm not saying she has a core of good. I think that died a long time ago. She is a tragic figure who had a lot of bad done to her.

[@isthecarpetcomfortable9410]

Agreed. You worded the way I think about Sylvanas perfectly.

[@sunwalkeredaaga4154]

She was insecure in life too. She had authority issues and butted heads (metaphorically) with Prince Kael’thas several times. But do NOT use the excuse of her tragic backstory to justify how they wrote her this expansion. She was a character who was set on the path to overcoming her trauma in Warcraft III. She genuinely set the Forsaken on the path to creating a new society, to finding a new place for themselves within the Horde. She gave them hope. When did she lose hope? When did she turn away from creating a new path, a new society? This has never been adequately explained. Just because someone has experienced trauma does NOT mean they will become a villain. This storyline was still complete garbage. A story stops being tragic when the traumatized character starts becoming the bully. And it also stops being interesting.

[@Gemcat]

@@sunwalkeredaaga4154 I think there is a lot we don't know about the vision she had when she threw herself off Ice Crown. But no, being a victim of trauma is no excuse for the things she has done. But she hasn't gotten help for that trauma, she hasn't reached out to anyone, unlike other characters who have been hurt by Arthus. I really think to understand the emotions involved in this, you should read "The Body Keeps the Score".. you will find that, yes, the traumatized can become the bully, because they are out to hurt people before they can be hurt again. There are multiple coping mechanisms a trauma victim can employ, some of those lead to becoming not a good person.

[@sunwalkeredaaga4154]

Gemcat oh I know all about that, I’ve been there myself. I get how someone ends up there, and I’m saying that they haven’t adequately explained how Sylvanas did. When did she give up on hope? When did she decide that creating a new society wasn’t the right thing after all? Why did she plan the Wrathgate? She was full of hope for the future in Warcraft III, even though the present sucked. I would have thought being reunited with Nathanos would have only helped her feel better. She seemed to be finding a new place for herself in the world then. She seemed to be reaching out to Baine, and establishing the Forsaken as Horde members. What changed? I’ve yet to see an adequate explanation for her nihilism. And when did she start working for Death? When did she start wanting to just kill everyone? This makes no sense given where she was at the end of Warcraft III. I didn’t say the story was unrealistic. I said it was uninteresting. It’s been done ten million times and I’m sick of it. I also said it wasn’t tragic. Just disappointing. Put it this way: I was hoping she was Sansa Stark, but I got Cersei Lannister instead.

[@sunwalkeredaaga4154]

Richard Ashendale why work so hard to free others? Why try to protect them from the Alliance? Why seek a position of power? Why become the Banshee Queen, if she didn’t think there was some sort of future for the Forsaken? Maybe hope isn’t the right word. But she must have at least felt there was some meaning in their existence. Otherwise, why bother? She never really valued the Horde, but she knew it was necessary for the Forsaken to exist. If the Horde had withdrawn it’s protection back then, the Alliance would have slaughtered the Forsaken. At that time, she obviously did care about her people: otherwise why frame Varimathras? If she’d really not cared then she would have owned up to what she did, fled, and then watched the Alliance and Horde slaughter the Forsaken. She’s a former Ranger General, she could have eluded both factions. Instead she frames Varimathras and gets the Alliance to turn the Undercity back over to her when they’re done.

[@hhitok9075]

Bellular, Sylvanas didn't ask for Saurfang death, just to track him down. It was a willing request from undeads and dark rangers. Sylvanas just let them do their thing. What you really miss is the reason behind the Horde wanting to use sylvanas or believe sylvanas to take their payback from the injustice the alliance have inflicted them.

[@TheMoonlitFaerie]

Additionally, to me it makes sense that Sylvanas has these emotional reactions beyond her control when things go sideways. Lillian Voss (in game!) does make it quite clear that nobody comes back from death *unchanged*. That everyone breaks a bit from the process. Sylvanas shouldn't be an exception to that, it's what makes the forsaken - in my opinion - great!

[@cryptowatcher5963]

If she was already hyper-emotional before, then going through the process of becoming a banshee, then zombie + death & more death, must make her an absolute emotional wreck. Yeah?

[@sufode]

@@cryptowatcher5963 I don't think she was a particularly emotional character before but she was always a narcissistic machiavellian. Failure to those people is extremely traumatic because it doesn't even register as a possibility to them. She failed to save her people and most importantly for her character, she failed herself. She was also literally turned into a banshee, a tormented soul denied of free will to be used for war by her own killer. Knowing all of that it's understandable how repressed emotions and trauma would cloud her judgement. It's also hard to judge her character when we know she knows a lot that we dont x'P. It makes it hard for people to relate to her when they(understandably) don't make the effort to learn about her story and her psychology.

[@sufode]

@@ZZZ-zer Yeah but people are inconsistent. Imo Sylvanas is a very interesting character and her story is pretty good but its been executed like straight garbage. It's not bad writing to have a character be multi faceted, but when you only see one of those facets 99% of the time in game it may seem out of character to most people but in fact its just the part of herself she tries to hide coming out.

[@dreammfyre]

Again, turning her into some sort of evil, soulless villain is still so dumb and unimaginative. It's like if some writer got picked up to do The Punisher or Preacher and then decided to turn the main character into a merciless killer of innocents. It's just stupid. I mean ok, they try to justify her actions, but it's still stupid. Somehow some writer got the "genius" idea to turn her into the main villain of the series, and that's what we're building up to now. It's just that it feels completely tone-deaf if you come from WC3 and WoW up til WOTLK. They're just shoehorning her in there. (They could try to justify her behaviour with some crazy twist like with that leak, but that would be pretty friggin stupid too, TBH.)

[@kyvanrae]

She was the vallain from the point she made suicide. but the stupid fanbois don't want to see this

[@azraelgorge9203]

She was evil from Wc3. A surviving villain so to speak. From the start of Wc3 FT she showed that she can't be trusted and is impulsive. Her smarts from being elven ranger general has shown multiple times but even then she was seen as being impulsive. Even Varimathiras knew this which is why he was able to turn undercity on its head so easily.

[@monsteratemehcookie]

BFA: She's too emotional and impulsive! LK: Forsaken are souls ripped from death and trapped into corpses, they lost all emotions, they are incapable of feeling anything. So, Blizzard, which one is it?

[@drudle]

Isn't that prior to them gaining control of themselves back? Because that certainly describes Scourge.

[@monsteratemehcookie]

@@drudle After she's freed from LK control, in her little novella, and in Before the Storm, also in vanilla and LK quests, there are several mentions that "she feels NOTHING", "emptiness in her heart", "lingering of whatever left of her former self." And forsaken often say somethingsimilar to feelig nothing in their in game dialog and quest texts.

[@griknorillidarzul]

@@monsteratemehcookie in other quest text they claim certain emotions but then immediately claim to feel nothing, blizzard doesnt know how they want undead to act from the beginning of wow, in the rts they had clear emotions and personalities, the only time they didnt was warcraft1 or the mindless undead

[@drudle]

@@monsteratemehcookie And yet literally everything that happens in game and in those novellas goes against that. Sylvanas' entire drive up until WOTLK was vengeance on Arthas. That's because of feeling. The entire Forsaken race has the drive to do many things, be it saving their home to, well, anger. The Forsaken have always shown some form of anger or delight in their dealings since forever. It's almost like, and stay with me here, that those phrases given aren't literal. Like, if I said my ex gifriend had an unfeeling heart of ice, she doesn't LITERALLY have a heart of ice, nor is it actually unfeeling. If I said that my job has killed my soul and I'm an empty husk, it didn't ACTUALLY do that (not yet, at least).

[@happybalint]

I think over time they regain some of their emotions

[@dreammfyre]

8.0: Let's try to make this expansion about character drama and power struggle, with comics books and novels to build it up! 8.3: *O L D* *G O D*

[@umokwhy2830]

Old god stuff has been the thing the whole time.

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

I guess an entire year of character drama content and power struggle isn't enough for sarcastic armchair story writers.

[@jamieweir645]

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator lay that year out for me there cheif, please :)

[@thecynicist7301]

Jamie Weir are you kidding? The entirety of the content since pre-patch has been about the power struggle and faction conflict. Only recently did it resolve with 8.2.5. There have been little diversions in the story but the primary story has been about the conflict.

[@jamieweir645]

@@thecynicist7301 are you kidding more like, lol, a year of content ?! We've had a couple of patches stretched thinly over the year, and the story has been close to dreadful. Take yer blizzard goggles off and recognize what's infront of you.

[@hugedeal8611]

This is literally the only channel on KZbin that I don’t mind sponsors on, smooth smooth smooth

[@martinmp19]

HugeDeal86 come on man let me get paid for their work

[@darkling6655]

@@martinmp19 "Their work" as you put it is flaw of story making and he connects all the dots and that should be rewarded.

[@TauEnjoyer]

true ahah everytime im like, alright i'll watch the whole sponsored part

[@danielgibson3422]

Nostalgia critic dose a good job with his sponsored content as well.

[@Nemosan01]

I cant help it, but her complexity and impulse reactions.. I still like her... Illidan was also portraied as a villian.. not saying it happens to Sylvanas. I think she rocks that bow and magic! and super interesting to see where the story goes

[@FabschOblivion669]

So, in a way, she's like a child who pretends to be calm and mature, only to burst in anger and throw a tantrum after being called out for her bs?

[@crazykobold1644]

Yes, completely consistent with her pre-BfA character. And if you believe that, I have a neat bridge to sell you.

[@jamieweir645]

aka she's a self insert of Christie Golden.

[@natem4850]

Jamie Weir That’s an oof m8. Ouch lol. I hate Christie Golden.

[@natem4850]

The only problem is that this particular child tantrums hard enough to 1v1 the Lich King and kill Saurfang without raising her heart rate. *EDIT* Lol posted this 2 weeks before she 1 v 1’d the Lich King

[@FabschOblivion669]

@@natem4850 But tantrums hard enough to burn a giant tree that was the home of thousands of night elves after a dying night elf simply said that she pitied Sylvanas. Plus she called her own people and the whole world "Nothing" as soon as Saurfang started listing her failures. Kinda like a child would do. Yikes.

[@micheletaylor6341]

"I'm not here to be Queen of the ashes!" - burns city and citizens - ....yep.

[@blacksesamecandies]

Pretty sure that's the wrong character bro. Slyvanas killing everyone then raising them up as an undead army benefits her.

[@micheletaylor6341]

I'm saying the writing was done the same way. Strong female character that's suddenly overcome by emotions and does something she previously said she wouldn't? Check.

[@griknorillidarzul]

@Devin Harp except the issue here is shes dead so it wouldnt make sense for her to become emotional

[@hectorandem2944]

Unless I'm missing something, she's not the Queen of Teldrasil. She came. She saw. She left a bonfire. GG 👏

[@bradf4399]

Blizzard messed this wonderful character up bad.

[@AnastasiaBeaverhausen-tn6cx]

I always wanted her to be warchief. the problem isn't blizzard it's the people who get so crazy about not supporting her. We get it, you don't like her. It's not necessary to complain on every comment about it because WE love HER. so does blizzard. that's why she's getting SO MUCH STORY. and will CONTINUE y'all just so mad because you know they won't kill her. You know she won't go away. You know that we will leave both factions just to support her. So you wanna nitpick this whole situation and make it seem like she's the most evil person ever pointing out every cherry-picked crumb without learning the whole story.

[@panda_instinct]

This is such a better explanation of Sylvannas' character than what the game led us to believe. Since her "suicide" at Icecrown I always believed that her motivation was that she is selfish and affraid of dying, and she will do anything to avoid it. I really hope that Blizz is taking notes to better their in-game storytelling for the future, because BFA was such a mess.

[@Kazeshini25663]

If I recall correctly, she experienced a type of hell after jumping off Icecrown. Perhaps she will do anything in her power to prevent her own death because she knows what awaits her.

[@jonathanross9407]

Honestly most of her character development since that book where she jumps from ivecrown, essentially undoes her earlier characterization and simply says it was all fake because she is a sociopath who is just pretending ngf

[@Biouke]

I suggest throwing a bunch of rotten tomatoes at the guy from Blizzard's writing team that boasts personally writing this character since 2006.

[@jonathanross9407]

@@Biouke well... yes, kinda been down hill since thenish

[@fabersoul_beats]

sylvanas storyline is suffering the same problem as dany in s8, the plot point idea is fine but execution isnt convincing.

[@Foralltosee1623]

Oh boy oh boy, the price of being up to date with the Game is either to buy all the Side Material or wait a Year plus for BellularGaming to put this together for us. Thank you Sir I salute you.

[@haedrath]

Uhhh... based on the end of the Saurfang duel... I am having trouble believing that she was in any real danger against Malfurion unless that just simply doesn't work against him for whatever reason or his attack really hampered her. Looking at it in hindsight I believe she didn't want to 'out' herself yet. Edit: May be wrong but it just doesn't really add up to me. Not to mention at that point she still had Valkyr.... She either had that crazy death power the whole time and didn't want to show it... or she gained it later in the expansion without any hint of it happening.

[@markrobbins4543]

Incredible coverage. Big thanks to you and your team for all the hard work. It really shows.

[@nikLyt]

Thank you so much for all the work that you've done. Can't say how much I love your videos and how many times I press refresh button during a day to see your new video. It's such a pleasure to see someone with the same passion for the game. Keep it up and thank you one more time!

[@hooch3307]

Sylvanas did nothing wrong. As for the BBQ'd elves, maybe they shouldn't have been living in a giant, flammable tree.

[@Legather]

Is there a playlist for this series? Not clear on which vids are part of the dive and which just happen to talk about Sylvanas.

[@Dularr]

Oh please, this is all about the writing team finding out they totally screwed up the story in BfA.

[@crazykobold1644]

What? No! This isn't someone wildly out of character, it's just someone being 'emotional'!

[@Blackwind_Legacy]

It is downright amazing how you transition so seamlessly into your sponsored ads.

[@shazzakip2]

TL;DR It's Saurfang's fault

[@justinguerrero8941]

Transition so smooth I didn’t know I was watching an ad until it was almost over

[@crazykobold1644]

Who are you trying to convince? Good writing doesn't require a 22 minute long defense video to clarify the motives of the main characters. Only shit writing requires that.

[@atticusnelson7336]

uh, yeah, right, exactly. That's why he made the video. He even said multiple times that it wasn't told well. What exactly is your point here? Honestly.

[@crazykobold1644]

@@atticusnelson7336 He said that it was an overall decent story, just not told well. I'm saying that it's a complete shit story to begin with. Please, try to keep up, kid.

[@atticusnelson7336]

@@crazykobold1644 That's not what you said. You said the writing was bad, not the story. There is a difference between the two. A story can still have good strokes and themes and be poorly told due to bad writing. That's what happened here. You're the one who can't keep up here

[@hupenpeter]

There should have been a starting disclaimer. "story only acceptable by buying the books and everything else we can think of"

[@hectorandem2944]

*"P.S. you won't see any of this in our premium-priced MMO. Have fun!"

[@KazumiKiguma]

You didn't show her most stupid decision while under duress: That electric guitar slide right up to Arthas's sword.

[@danielgibson3422]

It's not how far you slide, it's how cool you look doing it.... Sadly Arthes wasn't impressed...

[@crazykobold1644]

Yes, she was feeling very emotional that day. Didn't you know that extremely emotional women like to jump on swords? Maybe she was hoping to be impaled by something else.

[@jayoungr]

That's because it wasn't a thing until the Warbringers short. Her death in the original WC3 was much cooler and less nonsensical. If the remastered WC3 canonizes the powerslide, it will be dead to me.

[@Audiotrocious]

In short, everything is Saurfang’s fault. If he only killed Malfurion...

[@nameslessone]

Good Video, your Lore videos are always very interesting and fun to watch . Looking forward to the finally

[@christianhaegler4817]

I mean, here we have again one of the striking differences between in game portrayal of events and a written out portrayal of events. In game: "Sylvanas is being bested by Malfurion." In the novella: "Malfurion is being blasted by Sylvanas."

[@Jagrajagra]

So... if the big goblin cannon fires, which city is it going to fire at,... and is it going to fire the plague that Nathanos refers to?

[@eX1Dtv]

While i appreciate you trying to find some explanation for her character. I personally still think it boils down to Blizzard running out of ideas on how to deal with Sylvanas's storyline and gave up on it and just made her into Garrosh 2.0 hoping no one would question it because that is how most had painted her when she burned down the world tree.

[@Queen3210]

Where is the next part of this episodic series?

[@ch4rg3r_97]

What is the song from the intro?! I've heard it so many times in wow and never found the damn name.

[@sergeykravchuk3266]

Legacy by Jason Hayes. From the official soundtrack of classic.

[@dreammfyre]

Last comment I swear, but this is a more elaborate post on why they dropped the ball on her as a character: us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20766686517?page=1 Pretty much agree 100%. Turning her into a villain is so cheap, stupid and lazy by Blizzard. They've literally written themselves into a corner now just to have an "iconic" scene of Sylvanas standing in front of a burning tree. Just dumb and completely out of touch.

[@CrabCrow]

This really hits the nail on the head. Some people seem to think she's playing 4D chess with every move, and that makes them confused when her decisions seem irrational. The truth is, she's just ruthless and able to adapt her plans quickly. She's reactionary and, like most narcissists, will lie to make herself look better. Of course she would tell her loyalists that the Saurfang Rebellion was all part of her "Master Plan". Unless we hear her thoughts directly, I wouldn't believe most of what she says.

[@blacksesamecandies]

You know who is more pragmatic? N'zoth,Sargeras -- hell even Azshara.

[@ruskyalmond1977]

"She is a narcissistic sociopath." Truer words have never been spoken.

[@Anne231154]

This is true, she even shows narcissistic rage in response to perceived injury.

[@bobkouin7465]

BS

[@mr.kingofphenomenal4629]

That true but compare it to when she was alive.

[@BlueDragonWereWolf]

Next xpac Sylvanas and Heisenberg team up World of Warcraft: Breaking Hope

[@jonathanross9407]

But those are not emotional, especially not wanting of emotional warmth like she clearly does with vareesa, all of her character development is just undermining pre icecrown sylvanas.

[@hatchera]

It's clear that Saurfang saving Malfurion is the reason Teldrassil burned and Undercity wrecked. Tyrande was supposed to split the Alliance way sooner. "The forces beyond Alliance" fighting against Sylvanas are the Void Lords, who fear Sylvanas as they know that destroying her is probably the only way to destroy Azeroth. By siding against Sylvanas we're forgetting the bigger picture as we should remember that the old gods as the servants of void lords, THE big bad since day 1. EVERYTHING Sargeras did was to stop the void lords. The single most important piece of the puzzle is the panic that was displayed in the Three Sisters. Everything should be read through that lense. Not the lies about "true enemy" but the objective: to kill Sylvanas is to serve the void.

[@vladimirseven777]

If Sylvanas ever trusted orcs and that they can't screw everything with their honor and bloodthirst - yes, it is Saurfang's fault. Unfortunately we do not know yet what writers planning about Sylvanas - turn her into full Hitler or Kerrigan. They can change everything any moment and turn it into shitshow like GoT did.

[@hatchera]

@@vladimirseven777 The trust Sylvanas put into Saurfang was revealed out loud in the recent cinematic. She said it to a dying character, there was no reason to lie.

[@magicblade1480]

I just noticed, but in the top right corner of the thumbnail there is a Photoshop menu

[@scottlewis991]

Bellular, I have to say I often consider unsubbing from your channel. then you go and put an awesome video like this out and it reminds me why i keep putting it off. Good work I really enjoyed this video.

[@netfools]

This series shows how incongruent Blizzard's writing is. What a garbage fire.

[@jamieweir645]

Christie Golden* you mean cheif lol

[@netfools]

@@jamieweir645you would be naive to think their poor writing and character retcons started with her.

[@jamieweir645]

@@netfools not started, but in recent times, exaggerated and made exponentially worse. She has butchered BfA.

[@netfools]

@@jamieweir645 I wouldn't throw it all at her feet personally. Alex has commented about writing Sylvanas lore for years now and he is the main source of retconning her into directing the use of the blight at the Wrath Gate. The novel she wrote and the overall story in BFA haven't been bad though. The game systems, gearing, and recharacterization of Sylvanas have been the major failures of bfa.

[@netfools]

@Richard Ashendale you are simply incorrect.

[@HonakoGreen]

The ads are the best part honestly.

[@sazi]

I enjoyed your analysis. Narcissistic sociopath though? You should probably leave this part of the analysis to those of us that are actual psychologists. Rules are slightly different in a fantasy world. Especially given we have not seen what she sees beyond life.

[@deathweeler8028]

I'm sure for lore reasons, Stormwind is deemed unconquerable but it's actually quite simple. All they would need is a large enough force to keep the attention at the gates, while a large fleet of Zandalarian ships attacking after the battle has already begun, there for making it easier to get troops behind the lines and in the city. With the Goblins cannon waiting to fire on Sylvanas order. The only thing that would save the Alliance capital at that time, would be to pull a Rob Starkk while the SI:7 are sending small forces to take the cannon but that would have to be a suicide mission and only Anduin and the leaders in SI:7 should/would know that plan.

[@jhonnex3338]

Dark Irons would outflank both fronts easily with their badger transports.

[@snowfire20]

I'm at a lose here. Her words speak or not wanting to burn the tree but her actions and the final cut-scene say otherwise. To quote her "countless souls have been feed to the hungering darkness." She wanted war. She wanted the alliance to come together. She got what she wanted. Mass death on both sides. I see it as a master planner whose plans didn't meet the 100% completion but are far enough along that she is happy. Her final thought makes the emotional scared seem far fetched. Speaking of the coming boss Sylvanas said "even he will serve death". That makes me think her plan is more complex then we realize.

[@gilstrap730]

So little bit off topic but im at work listening to the audiobook Illidan and close to the end of the book he is in asto form and a anciant naru grabs him and talks to him and to sum it up says "the void is a greater enemy even more than sargeras and that Illidan will defy death" that is very interesting and i think illidan will be back for the next Xpac...

[@mathiasriissorensen6994]

You just got me again with that transition!

[@Thunderspear85]

Seems to me that the way BFA is told in game are: strictly designed for Horde VS Alliance. Making the fan base argue more, infighting just to bring war back to warcraft :P Just to keep that red VS blue illusion alive. To tell of her thinking and emotions mainly in books, makes it seem pretty clear: Blizzard just goes all in with red VS blue, and want the player base argue as we did so long ago; and some still do ;) Intrigued toward what Sylvanas are preparing, planning for. AKA if Blizzard can manage writing it. They do love playing the long game tho, hehehe.

[@hardwing]

I knew the points of this part of her story before, but you really brought them to life here! Thanks!

[@reijias]

Anyone noticed that box in the top right on the thumbnail?

[@АнтонВячеславов-к3с]

You have a photoshop editor tools in right upper corner of your preview:D

[@DagothDaddy]

I never understood how Sylvanas killing those undead in before the storm was considered cunning or smart if you have a reputation as being a lying manipulator people will believe anything you get accused of. For instance say you are a citizen of Horde what sounds more believable Anduin a man known for his love of peace and hatred of senseless violence needlessly slaughtered a group of innocents he invited to Arathi or Sylvanas a woman known for being a cold blooded killer that has threatened her own allies if they didn't do as she wished and is known to kill in order to further her own goals killed a group of undead a group she has specifically made clear she didn't agree with and where going against her wishes?

[@evaleasot4859]

you real smooth with these ads/promos

[@_Sami_H]

That spansor Ad.. i thought it was a flex at the start😂 well played bellur

[@Trygvar13]

There are days when I'm waiting for your vids just to hear what you can come up to promote a product. You are amazing :) Keep up the good work.

[@Joetrus]

Oh boy that is one evil looking thumbnail

[@BellularGaming]

BIG props to John for that one!

[@MrJonas0319]

It looks awesome. Also, you could see a part of Photoshops UI in the image. That is not meant to be a diss, I really love the image

[@RngmonsterX]

ITS A MORALLY GREY THUMBNAIL OK?! Leave my Waifu alone :'(

[@GFXbySage]

@@BellularGaming Ye boi

[@SzotyMAG]

They're pumping vids out on such an extreme rate they dont even have time to save images, they roll with screenshots

[@PureMetalBanzai]

Wow great video man. More of these please

[@gackybass]

Sylvanas went from calm, collected and logical to emotionally unstable, immature, bipolar and narcissistic faster than my ex. Great work blizz.

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

Eh, I can't say I agree with you. She seems pretty consistent.

[@patricklapinski1526]

Yeah i think its pretty consistent with her character

[@gackybass]

@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 It's consistent across BfA, sure, but it's like looking at 2 different characters when you see her behaviour in earlier expansions - In fact, there's a laughably small amount of consistency between pre-BfA sylv and her current portrayal.

[@LostChildOfTime]

Yeah if you only followed the game narrative. Because never mind the fact that she jumped off the Frozen Throne after Arthas was put down. But the game never told that fact.

[@gackybass]

@@LostChildOfTime Actually, that was fairly consistent. Remember "what joy is there in this curse" sylvanas? Her archnemesis was dead. She had no reason to prolong her suffering. Granted, it did change since then, but in a way that's more consistent with typical character development, rather than just replacing an existing character with a new one of the same name.

[@chrs-wltrs]

Where's part 3?

[@Chris-lw5mw]

Another strong iconic female Blizzard character destroyed by "mah emotions".

[@TheMistressMisery]

That's so oversimplified it's actually kinda bad.

[@crazykobold1644]

Jaina, Yrel, Sylvanas, and now it's Tyrande. I guess what Blizzard is trying to show us is that women can't be trusted with leadership positions and need to be put down like wild dogs.

[@jamieweir645]

@@crazykobold1644 lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@EnigmaticRealist]

@@crazykobold1644 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AgustinN95]

holy sh*t those adds surprise me in different ways everytime

[@Twitch_Moderator]

So syoked for Blizzcon and 8.3.5 content. 🎉😄🎉

[@Sniper2sword]

Alliance loyal but Sylvanas is my favorite

[@benmccoy9196]

the funny thing sylvanas was right about the worgen and night elves as 8.3 shows

[@vaellynnazarius1929]

Gee I wonder why the Kaldorei refuse to accept peace with the horde after they've proven not to be trusted yet again by starting another unprovoked war and comitting genocide. And Anduin expects Tyrande to simply forgive and forget just because sylvanas yeeted out of the horde? The horde wanted their war and willingly followed sylvanas, but the moment she leaves, the Kaldorei are expected not to hold the horde as whole responsible? The horde can't keep starting wars and never suffer any consequences like they have all the other times. Does this mean Tyrande will end up as a raid boss? Maybe. But if it means the horde gets a taste of their own medicine, then I'm all for it. For too long have the Kaldorei been blizzards punching bag!

[@benmccoy9196]

Vaellyn Nazarius she purposefully made it so making it impossible as such making what she said seem more legit even if it wasnt before

[@marciusnhasty]

Malfurion made Tyrande to chose between him and Illidan. Than he imprisoned Illidan for ten thousand years and left her all alone for ten thousand years to take a good long nap. When he went faction neutral as Cenarion Circle during the Cataclysm and abandoned her again, I have predicted that it will be just a mater of time before Tyrande just snaps and once that happens she will go Maiv level crazy with vengeance, just immeasurably more powerful, as she is the chosen of Elune and the most powerful priestess of Elune that has ever existed. And Wailing Caverns established in Vanilla that when something goes wrong in the Emerald Dream, you purge everything that comes out of it. Worgen curse came out of it and was not purged. Latest Tyrande line on "rabid dog" was a throwback to what Sylavans used to say about Worgens since the Cataclysm - telling us that Tyrande is becoming a Sylvanas of the Alliance.

[@Hazard2005]

Blizzard could have added all this internal monologue for her character in some in game cut scenes...

[@chickachoy]

Crazy insightful vid bellular, thanks

[@GigaAxo]

3:03 I saw that floating bow!

[@alonsogonzalez7539]

It's interesting that while Sylvanas seems to act in anger at the burning, there is a somber logic. Elune's intervention showed her she would oppose Sylvanas, so what she did? She tried to kill hope. And she succeeded, to a point. She managed to turn many fallen Kaldorei, make them believe Elune had abandoned them. It's like at that moment she decided that her plan to splinter the Alliance was less important than breaking Elune's worship.

[@kimkire]

Bellular's sponsor segments are smooth af

[@Termiux]

This was a great video. I finally understand her, like you said, I think is a pretty good story just poorly told. Thanks for the video!

[@DarkenedAuras]

I'm kinda wondering if Pandaria has more to do with her (The Sha and things said in the Heart of Fear) makes me think of her (maybe the "Empress" that's clearly there is a red herring? Also I wonder if she has a deal with "Death" to get them many souls in exchange for Oblivion (kinda like what Callisto asked for on Xena: Warrior Princess...she said she wanted oblivion not just death, she didn't want an afterlife in Elysian Fields or Tartarus she wanted life to end with nothing afterward) I can see Sylvanas maybe wanting the same

[@InsurgeGaming]

Sylvanas makes people so mad lmao, all because of Darnassus. They want to called her stupid but shes a brilliant character. She's highly intelligent but her plans don't always work as intended or are ruined due to her emotions. She's written with the ups and downs of a biography of a real human.

[@belhavon]

Jesus you and your smooth as ad transitions

[@karahtar]

Excellent analysis! Truly saddening that we've not been getting the full picture in-game because they wanted to sell the books separately... Blizzard may not have EA's microtransactions but by separating the story from the game they ended up playing themselves!

[@DelphieNEhuntah]

WHERE IS EPISODE 1!!?!?!?

[@christianthorstensen386]

One of the best Bellular videos ever. Incredible writing and editing. This is something Blizzard should've made. Congratz man, you and your team rock!

[@Omalb793]

Love these vids!! I enjoy the game so much more after understanding the story through these

[@MrSaja2019]

So happy you made these videos, this makes all much clearer. And I agree that blizzard should have made a better way to tell this story. Can’t wait for more and your other wow series!

[@BoroMirraCz]

The ingame cinematics are enough to portrait Sylvannas as emotionally unstable, which is the major reason for whole this mess. She presents herself as calm schemer who plays 4D chess on her spare time... but the moment some little bit goes not according to plan, she loses her mind. And when someone taunts her? She becomes a pathetic, spitfull being with no other goal than making other suffer so that she can feel good for a few seconds... That is Sylvannas presented ingame.

[@Mike-qh2zh]

Stalk of corruption from Hour of Twilight a N’zoth eye? Anyone ever look into this?

[@multivitamin425]

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