BELOS MEMORIES?! | The Owl House Couple Reaction | Ep 2x16, “Hollow Mind”

[@LettsReact]

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[@kinghijinx5892]

AH so you've seen the big episode 20. Crikey indeed.

[@BABS_SEED]

If you're wondering how he made grim walkers, rewatch Season two episode 9

[@kal.august.yippee]

Hollow Mind, the episode where it was proven that this mama, was not, in fact, ready for trauma

[@Imapotato90]

YO CAINT DO DAT 😭😭😭

[@gregovaromoreno6318]

I'm sorry, but are we going to ignore that Belos mutilated his ears to fit among witches?

[@BABS_SEED]

Yeah he cut them

[@RealGoldenGuard]

MY main question is how did he get that scar? was that an actual wound or did he just slip up with the scissors??

[@BABS_SEED]

@@RealGoldenGuard Probably the scissors/knife

[@noahschultz9031]

@@BABS_SEEDdear God I never knew that, it’s almost scary he was willing to go that far in his mission he’d inflict self harm and a multitude of other things, worst of all stabbing his brother to death

[@griffinhamm7783]

@@RealGoldenGuardyou mean the one on his face? That was from Lilith. Remember when she punched him? You can actually see it grow after he summons the collector.

[@keithwiechart7744]

“You can’t reason with crazy” For those who don’t remember, Luz said those exact words in S1 E17 Wing it Like Witches. Leave it to the Owl House to turn a once innocent phrase so sinister.

[@abthedragon4921]

Brilliant callback! Using a past piece of dialogue in a different context, giving it a whole new meaning.

[@Otisboy121]

Dramatic Irony.

[@DragonGoddess18]

Well, it feels like a "😒 Hey Pot,name's Kettle" moment Belos is not one to talk in calling Luz "crazy"

[@Kayta-Linda]

Oh yeah. Now every time I hear Luz say that, I feel sick. That’s deeply disturbing.

[@thegreendragon5390]

Lus in S1 E14: "This mama is ready for trauma!" Sandy Cheeks from SpongeBob SquarePants: "No you ain't."

[@krystaloftheshores]

Perfect. 👌🏻🤣🤣🤣

[@cadentias]

(laughs) you think there’s been FIVE grimwalkers? oh buddy

[@elianna_catlady3658]

my thought exactly! I was looking for this comment

[@alol_x4353]

Multiply that by ten and you're still probably off!

[@DragonGoddess18]

Yeah It's in the triple digits

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

There's over 200 bones in the human body, and since Belos wasn't saying anything about running out, it's probably been less than that! But uh, in 400 years, Hunter who's 16 (or at least appears to be, they can be created as adults after all) lasted fairly long? Definitely in the double digits (plus later we see around 50 skulls in the pit I think? I wonder if the pit was kept as a contingency plan in case he ran out of bones...)

[@LettsReact]

This episode was HORRIFYING but also SO WELL DONE

[@itzmehDevi]

IT REALLY IS! Like who imagined this out of Disney kids show!

[@HaydrogenBomb]

You said it. My favorite episode, by FAR.

[@StacheKing]

This episode is what made me a diehard Owl House fan. And with this episode, we are not only in the endgame, but for Belos, the kid gloves are officially off. Overall, this is a close third to the season 2 finale and the series finale.

[@Turipera]

I agree lol

[@gerardlacroix6015]

The moment Kid belos start laughing is terrifying !

[@DanGamingFan2406]

After the reveal this episode, I just kept thinking back to this line: Luz, S1 E14: "This mama is ready for trauma!" Ooh, boy that did not age well. I think we were all pretty traumatized, especially poor Hunter. This is the episode that truly changed the course of the series.

[@hannahburke7328]

Oh, Luz had no idea what she was getting herself into. 😢

[@theredeft5319]

Luz and Hunter are platonic trauma soulmates haha. Trauma bonding is real.

[@GlitterF-CK]

​@@theredeft5319 obligatory reminder that trauma bonding is real but is not especially healthy and you should be very careful if the foundation of your relationship with someone is based on shared trauma. It can very easily become an extension of said trauma or create codependency or toxic cycles to continue due to that trauma bond. We should be careful when glorifying trauma bonds. Also to keep in mind trauma bonds can also be formed between an abuser and their victim. Such as the dynamic between Hunter and Belos. It's essentially Stockholm syndrome. Which is a form of trauma bonding.

[@Jeremy_theGent]

The events of this episode are going to have devastating consequences for both Hunter and Luz.

[@solsystem1342]

Luz and Hunter will remember that🦋

[@hannahburke7328]

Luz and Hunter Are Scarred For Life. 😢

[@HaydrogenBomb]

I LOVE the workaround that the Owl House crew did to give us Belos' backstory in this episode, since they couldn't give us an episode dedicated to it. Dana KNEW we would be paying attention to the background, and that we would pause and analyze every detail that was given.

[@SteveMND]

Yeah, we'd gotten used to the team hiding lore and other important/fun plot points in the background and around seemingly innocuous things. Murder Drones is also shaping up to be that sort of series as well: watch it once, then watch it a second time damn near frame-by-frame.

[@theowlgang3390]

lol I didn't :,D never even knew about the photos until a vid pointed them out

[@joeldean2706]

Yea I noticed that on my rewatch just a cool detail in the background to learning a villain backstory. Plus makes Belos more twisted and crazy, definitely one of the more darker villains on Disney.

[@jakubgodyn7413]

Why they couldn't? I know that onscreen brutal death and blood is a big no-no for The Mouse but there are easy ways around that. Like the camera moves and you see the shadow or something like that.

[@Fnaffan-i9r]

@@jakubgodyn7413 DIseny didn’t allow them enough episodes for the series since they decided to cut the series short

[@ZeldaWolf2000]

Right at the beginning of Eclipse Lake, you see a book explaining how Grimwalks are made and what they're made of. Highly recommend going back and looking at it, BOTH pages. It makes season 2 cooler, because we see the ingredients throughout the season.

[@Marta-uv4id]

Belos' most powerful weapon is manipulation. He managed to trick an entire realm with the power of persuasion and a couple of tricks, and he manipulated every Grimwalker into doing what he wanted, and when they betrayed him, he just destroyed them and started over. He's a genuinely terrifying antagonist because people like him can manipulate using words alone and cause devastating consequences.

[@randomguy7946]

Don’t forget how his philosophy impacted Lilith’s decision to curse her sister.

[@lynchie2073]

i always thought belos killing and remaking his brother over and over again was a combination of missing his brother and wanting to control him. it reads like taking out his frustrations on his brother with the justification of "saving his soul". holding such strict control over his older brother who we could read as possibly more free thinking, making him younger, lashing out at him, all to have his brother do what he wants him to do. and when he learns the truth, he kills them, and tries again. its so fucked up. it reeks of religious abuse. belos is a fantastic and fascinating villain

[@alexschott2092]

Fun fact about the memory portraits you see in the background of Belos / Philips' mindscape. What we see in the episode is slightly out of chronological order and many more are obscured by the shadows of the scenes. That didn't stop Owl House fans from trying to chronologically reorganize them through screenshots to get a better grasp of the timeline of major events that convinced Belos to go down this horrific path. Then, right before the series finale aired, Dana posted all the individual memory portraits the crew came up with in high detail and chronological order. There were even several that weren't in the episode itself that provide more insight into the events as well as how Belos perceives them. The pictures themselves start out whole and intact, but after a certain point burn holes similar to those seen when Luz and Amity were in Willow's mindscape to repair her memory portraits become more apparent. The questions is, though, what caused those holes / altered perceptions of Belos' memories in the Demon Realm? Given his outlook and genocidal goals for the inhabitants, it wouldn't surprise me if Belos did this to his own mind to ensure he couldn't see these memories in a different light after a while, preventing any reflections on himself that would cause him to waver in his delusional mission to be the hero that destroys the evil he sees all around him.

[@theredeft5319]

What’s interesting is that due to one fan who remade all the portraits in HD, the crew actually released the original portraits from the episode in HD including the two new ones. The fandom for the Owl House is really talented and it’s great to see the crew do stuff like that.

[@mundoatena1674]

Do you have the link or the day of this publication? I can't find it

[@malcirhodes3]

@@theredeft5319 To bad the fandom killed both this show and Amphibia. To much conflict and lower ratings for both caused season three to get shortened and both shows to end slightly prematurely.

[@Jimins__Pookie]

Hunter's panic attack at the end of the episode never fails to break my heart :(

[@katrinalinkvo]

If you look closely in one of the portraits, you can see that not only did Belos carve glyphs into his arm but he also carved his ears with the same crooked knife he killed his brother with. So yeah, talk about self mutilation on Disney, right?

[@kelkellys]

why would he carve glyphs into his arm

[@mundoatena1674]

@@kelkellys keep himself alive

[@timrosswood4259]

@@kelkellys to be able to cast spells without a staff

[@timrosswood4259]

@@mundoatena1674 that's what the palismans are for

[@kelkellys]

@@timrosswood4259 but luz can still do glyphs with no staff

[@Marta-uv4id]

On top of everything that's been happening to Hunter and all of the realizations he's had, now he learned that his entire existence is a lie. His entire worldview was flipped, and he tried to rationalize everything he could because he couldn't imagine being on the bad side, and now he's faced with something he can't explain away. I really feel for him.

[@jackhinkley8133]

I can’t believing belos said “it’s trauma time!” And gave hunter and luz inconsolable amounts of trauma!

[@DragonGoddess18]

I don't blame Hunter for running away from Eda,Luz and the Owl House: he doesn't totally trust them the way he trusted Belos and Belos was the one who raised him. Seeing what he saw in Belos's mindscape,Hunter can't trust him anymore We,the audience, may know that Eda is a good person but like the Bat Queen once said "Trust must be earned" This was a well-written episode, especially that twist with "Kid Belos". That guy has always been a psycho

[@leenotaf]

“I think there’s 5” *nervous laughter*

[@maurabrady8572]

Belos calls Hunter “a better version of an old friend.” In my opinion he keeps creating grimwalkers out of a desire to rewrite the way things originally ended with Belos’s brother. He hopes that eventually he will create one that will not betray him.

[@FluffyJackie]

You can see how Grimwalkers are made in Eclipse Lake. At the beginning there's a shot of a book that shows an instruction.

[@HaydrogenBomb]

I love that Toy Story edit! It's hilarious how accurate it is. 🤣

[@abthedragon4921]

Ah yes, the episode that simultaneously delivers important plot beats and also signifies how dark this show is and will continue to be from here on out.

[@rafaelmatos5851]

The recipe to create a Grimwalker is revealed at the beginning of "Eclipse Lake". There's an open book about it. If you see it carefully, you will see that some ingredients have already been mentioned. Like palistram wood (the wood used to create Palismen) which is the reason why the palistram trees are near extinct; selkidomus scales which is the same creature the Golden Guard wanted Luz and Eda to kill; and there's also the galdorstones which are the things in the Looking Glass Graveyard that amplify all magic except for illusion.

[@n1ghtw0lf26]

This episode is incredibly good, but haunting. It’s so creepy, so dark, the memories, the lies, the realization, it hurts. The fake mind, the palismen souls haunting them, the child crying and running away turning into a maniacal laughter, the transformation into Belos, the dozens, maybe even hundreds of dead grimwalkers that Belos has created and destroyed over the years, the realization and denial from Luz as she drops to the ground, crying, Hunter having a panic attack, realizing his whole life and identity is a lie, and his so called “uncle” will probably hunt him down, the guilt in Luz’s eyes as she sees Hunter run away. It really hurts

[@theredeft5319]

One of my favorite little details here is that Hunter referred to Luz by her name after he comes in at the end. He always called her human before, but now that they have really bonded, and that he is now afraid of Belos and the golden guard persona he calls her by her name. It reminds me a lot of how in Avatar the last airbender Zuko always referred to Aang as the avatar until he joined them. As if he was not really a person to him then. Much like Hunter saw Luz as the annoying human interloper until she opened his eyes to the truth.

[@WorldWeave]

Ah yes: “EMOTIONAL DAMAGE: the episode”

[@noahschultz9031]

The darkest Owl House episode and the next one is the definitely the saddest. When this episode came out… hoo boy the fandom went wild!

[@StacheKing]

Luz: This mama is ready for trauma. John Cena: Are you sure about that?

[@Samgreen90]

(At 19:17) nope. that would be the pregnant witch cursing him, as he's making a run for it.

[@b3yourself91]

dana managed to break not one, but two characters in one episode

[@stormywolfhowls]

Kill two kids mental stabiltiy with one belos

[@theredeft5319]

Hands down my favorite episode. Belos is so much scarier than I imagined. The curse marks, genocide, the golden graveyard, the creepy palisman monster, the cunning child Belos is so dark. The fact that the child inner self was tricking them from the beginning, as was willing to reveal all that to Hunter knowing he would have to replace him for knowing is chilling. The reveal of the collector was also great. The story told in the pictures is quite rewarding to the fans who have paid attention to the little details we’ve seen about Belos’s past. I also love Luz and Hunter in this episode. Luz is so brotherly to him offering the Owl House for him to stay in. And poor Hunter’s panic attack felt very realistic.

[@tenmark7055]

In the opening scene of Eclipse Lake (S2E9) there is an open book which describes what is needed to build a Grimwalker. The ingredients included a Galdorstone, which acts as the heart and power; Palistrom wood; Stonesleeper lungs; Selkidomus scales. Remember Belos sent Hunter to kill a Selkidomus? Maybe hes already building Hunter's replacement.

[@ch4r_]

one of the darkest episodes imo, seeing hunter breakdown at the end is heartbreaking. realising he can't go back to his home or has no real place there or even his own PERSON. he is just a clone of someone else is just so much. poor baby.

[@bookwyrm8181]

I tear up every single time I watch this episode when Hunter starts to have a panic attack at the very end like I did not sign up for this that hit a little too close to home

[@kinghijinx5892]

Belos is a scarily realistic villain. The way he essentially creates a religion through lies, villainises Wild Witches with propaganda and fabricating pretend scenarios, pretending that he can "speak to the Titan" to get people to worship him. He's literally a fascist dictator who's using lies, fear mongering and religion to turn society against vulnerable minorities. Which is also depressingly relevant given the current rise of fascism in the US and the Right Wing's violent attacks on queer people, especially those that are trans. Whether it's queerphobia, racism or a prejudice against witches it's always the same type of irrational hatred with a different branding and it's always the same violent lunatics that are perpetuating it so they can maintain their authority above everyone else. This does make Belos the perfect villain for the Owl House though, with this shows amazing diversity, queer representation and bisexual Afro Latina protagonist. Belos goes against everything this show stands for and while Luz came to the Boiling Isles and saw the beauty in it, Belos holds on to his unjustifiable hatred. Luz is the perfect protagonist for this story and Belos is the perfect antagonist to challenge her.

[@SilverScribe85]

Reminds me of Ron DeSantis' whole presidential campaign

[@kinghijinx5892]

​@@SilverScribe85 Exactly what I was thinking. Belos is literally your typical violently deranged conservative.

[@ItsB1998]

I wouldn't say his hatred is unjustifiable, since witches and demons are inherently bad things, and he was taught all his life to find them evil

[@jacksparrowismydaddy]

well said my friend

[@jacksparrowismydaddy]

all our lives we were taught to fear witches but not the people that burned them alive.

[@reyluncyrad]

Grim walkers are clones made of magical ingredients. Grim walkers were introduced in the opening scene of 2x9 in an open spell book.

[@Jeremy_theGent]

"Pause counter" No surprise there.

[@Samgreen90]

(At 18:57) "Wipe out all life in the demon realm?" This psychopath is trying to start a genocide.

[@choccowashere]

this ep rly shows this isn’t a kids show with literally giving the character trama

[@chaosspear0195]

The eclipse lake episode shows a book in the beginning that tells you how to make a grimwalker he uses different magical objects like the scales and stones we’ve seen in the show to create the body with a bone of his brothers body being the key ingredient to make the clone.

[@jstarwars360]

The paintings in the background tell the story of Belos and Phillip. If you search online, you can find enlarged versions of them.

[@jakobnunez4964]

I love it when a villain is just pure evil for the sake of being evil.

[@star_dust4056]

Ahh yes the single episode that traumatized the toh community, unaware of the many to come

[@antoniogonzales1976]

Best part of Hooty's lockdown is him manually slotting the door chain. Priceless!

[@SteveMND]

re: 2nd question: I think Philip's continual recreation of Hunter over and over again is that he is trying to "resurrect" his brother, but his brother as he USED to be before he was 'corrupted' by the witches. So each time, he hopes Hunter will stay loyal to their original aspirations, but each time, he realizes he has failed, the newest version "falls" into corruption again, and so Philip must destroy it and try once again. One of these times, Philip thinks, he will succeed and have his brother back as they used to be.

[@bsherrod4912]

Find it so interesting that the the false-kid Belos from the mindscape trapped the palisman demon with potions similar to Eda’s potions

[@quartz97]

I mean, the palisman souls were basically like a curse he had been fighting against. It makes sense that he'd use a similar(yet vastly more destructive) version of what Eda uses to keep her curse at bay.

[@elkins4406]

@@quartz97 The "teleport people in and out of Belos's mind" potion is also the same color as Eda's anti-curse potions, though. I'm not sure what if anything that signifies, other than perhaps the artists wanting to ensure that even younger members of the audience would understand instantly and without any need for explanation that the substance is a magical potion.

[@notcha8080]

imagine how many grimwalkers he had to make to last 400 years

[@itzmehDevi]

OH MY GOD! It's the episode! The Episode where most people want to say a lot of things but can't say anything!

[@boardtoonsguy]

Oh yes, this is definitely my favourite s2 ep! With most scary villains the more u know abt them the less scary they r. With Belos it's all the opposite: the more u find out abt him, the more terrified of what he's capable of u become. But he also is a really interesting character, 1 of my favourites actually. Belos is constantly trapped in his trauma, that being a condition he grew up in and that his brother left him. And he's unable to process that trauma. Partially because he doesn't want to, and partially because he can't due to what he himself has done with it. A reality vs fantasy is an important theme in TOH, and Belos basically made up a reality in which he's the victim and everyone else is the bad guy. That's why he wants to kill all witches (because as u said he blames his brother's death onto them) and that's why he creates more and more grimwalkers (because he wants his brother back, but Belos wants HIS version of his brother back, and that version simply never existed). And that is why Belos will never achieve his goal. Even if he destroys the entire demon realm, he'll switch his hatred to smth else. All to silence his own sense of guilt. And I think there's smth poetic abt the scariest thing in the demon realm being another human (poetic and extra terrifying).

[@chilibreath]

This episode has everything: the stages of de-brainwashing, clues of the truth in the background, main character syndrome (Belos), and all the trauma. And the reason Belos keeps creating a new Golden Guard: he's trying to bring his brother back, molded with his own ideals. He just didn't count on the Grimwalkers retaining his brother's heart.

[@Samgreen90]

(At 14:05) that's not the same Golden Guard from the last memory. I can tell because of his collar.

[@jharmond3874]

if you look close enough you can see that Belos has made over at least 25-50 grimwalkers by looking at the masks. there are way more unaccounted for too.

[@Skassss]

If you want to see how a Grim Walker is made their is a page at the start of 1 episode that shows this.

[@bee_217]

CRIKEY WHAT AN EPISODE

[@PirateQueen1720]

We already saw the recipe for a Grimwalker in a book. The ingredients include selkidomus scales and the bones of the person you're trying to resurrect. And there was a picture of magenta eyes...just like Hunter has.

[@imagromlin]

Grmwalkers were mentioned at the beginning of one of the previous episodes, Eclipse Lake i believe. The book that was shown, with the stuff about Galderstones, Stonesleeper Lungs, and Selkidomus scales. Kenny and Montana theorized that Belos was a Grimwalker, and that it extended his life.

[@Sandro_de_Vega]

You seen before how to make grimwalker. In previus episode(i dont remember which) there is a book with instruction and list of ingredients.

[@nuclearbirds]

The implications behind “Then we still have some work to do” make it just… such a dark line. Like, that’s more adult than any of the lines we get from ATLA. This is -no longer- a kids show

[@SylverQrow]

A grimwalker is just their word for Clone. Like Skin Walker but one who has a grim fate. Grim/dead walker. But yeah hes a clone. I believe in the background in a past episode they showed the process of making a grim walker in a book.

[@Laura-vn5zi]

We finally know what the drain spell means and it's crazy! In the previous episode Kenny came very close in his analysis and final thoughts haha Qué emocion por Hollow Mind!

[@reneehoenicke4765]

This episode has always been one of the scariest in the show. The Grimwalker lore and revelations only get worse from here. And everything you find out is a punch to the gut. Belos followed his brother to a world of witches, "lost him" (the reality being so much darker), and decided to wreak havoc on this world instead of devoting his time to getting home and permanently severing the portal. He could have just found a way to leave and sealed it off, but he doesn't. He *wants* to hurt the witches living here, to the point of MUTILATING HIS EARS to better fit and manipulate them as well as consuming the life force and souls of palisman to extend his life. He USES A FORM OF MAGIC! Even if it's not *their* magic, he's still become the very thing he despises and *WORSE*. Belos is a true monster, which only makes the reveal of the palisman souls that much worse. They manifest that way after all the torture they endure, try to fight back, only to terrify Luz and Hunter right into Belos' arms. The reveal of the REAL monster gives me chills every time, as do the rotten shells of the other Golden Guard.

[@ANonymous-rt6vp]

"How can you make people?" Well, there's clones, robots, etc. But traditionally, when two people love each other very much....

[@Samgreen90]

(At 13:51) judging by where this is taking place from the last two memories, I'm going to assume this is at The Knee before it was left in ruins. And now we're about to see HOW it was in ruins.

[@jakobnunez4964]

If only we were able to get an entire complete show.

[@Samgreen90]

(At 4:33) that looks more like a baby monitor than a walkie-talkie.

[@Samgreen90]

(At 9:45) or he's thinking what *could have* happened to his Red Cardinal.

[@Samgreen90]

(At 17:02) that DOESN'T explain the "pointed ears" if that IS his brother.

[@MrsShinnjo]

This episode was and always will be my fav. Other than final episode of the series. This had soooooo much lore and so much in it. It was so exciting to watch!!

[@pwnorbepwned]

Eclipse Lake showed a book on how to make a Grimwalker, with ingredients included. A Galdorstone-like the kind Gus found-as its heart, Palistrom wood as its keratin, Stonesleeper lungs as its own lungs, and the scales of a Selkidomus as its skin. Hunter’s debut episode, Separate Tides, showed him hunting a Selkidomus on Belos’ orders. Belos was already planning to make another Grimwalker to replace Hunter while he was still perfectly loyal, and he sent Hunter to go do the shopping for his own replacement’s skin. Absolutely demented.

[@camiart_casual]

He also leapt straight out of the Boiling Sea without actually boiling himself. Our boy is definitely not human! Or… well… a witch.

[@ThelordHayden34]

The moment we’ve all been waiting for! And it’s upon us!

[@munsonswife4747]

This episode is by far one of the best and is very important plot and character development wise, exited for the rest of your reactions!

[@m.s.5370]

This episode was PEAK Owl House

[@Samgreen90]

(At 12:35) Belos: behold the power of… "Easy bullshit!"

[@Samgreen90]

(At 8:35) Didn't Darius say the previous Golden Guard was his mentor?

[@lynchie2073]

earlier in this season, an episode opens on a shot of a book on grimwalkers, listing some of the ingredients

[@patzy0299]

It truly really shows how frightening Belos's ambitions were and just far he himself was willing to basically purge ALL of the witches in the Isles regardless of the passing of time. Belos's even said back in "Elsewhere And Elsewhen" ' "I just NEED to live long enough to see this through" '.

[@invisible9445]

There’s an open book in the opening moments of eclipse lake that explains how grimwalkers are made!!!

[@satiramalek2572]

we are TERRIFIED to see what happens next -honestly relatable 😃💔

[@MoonyToons_776]

also please rewatch the very beginning of Eclipse Lake, and pay attention. You will understand more about some of the lore of Hollow Mind.

[@moonscoot_]

Hunter fans are vibrating at a speed that could shatter glass rn

[@LIAuNXeNON]

Just as an fyi a grimmwalker was something that was left in background details in some previous episodes with a lot of the ingrediants being from previous episodes such as the gaulder stones(through the looking glass ruins) and Silkydomus scales (seen shen we first see hunter in s2e1)

[@krystaloftheshores]

Not me banging my head against the wall over all of the background portrait interpretations you’re getting wrong.

[@krystaloftheshores]

Nevermind, I’m glad you guys looked up the better resolution versions of the pictures in the background.

[@dobbyssock1086]

Hate to say it but ... Belos made a little more than five Grimwalkers ...

[@RCUdeogu]

I ain’t gonna lie I look at Belos face reveal so different after I watched this episode. Like at first glance we were probably “maybe he’s actually a nice guy and he has a reason for being evil like maybe a witch killed his brother” NAH, he just a selfish evil monster. Bro this whole episode to me was just wild, like this just might be my favourite episode in this entire series

[@kujsquill]

Im not sure if you guys caught this, but in the earlier episode Eclipse Lake where we are shown a book open of Belos' desk near the beginning and it shows the ingredients list to make a grimwalker which had a picture that resembles Hunter.

[@kupaakaleo137]

Yeah you're gonna need that Luz Guilt counter a lot more often now lol

[@lynchie2073]

this episode still hits hard no matter how many times ive watched it

[@hannahappa]

This is one of favourite episodes - can’t wait to watch

[@twist58]

This entire observance of Belos’ mind is a definite wake up call for Hunter after being fed so many lies about who he is and where his fate would lead once Belos himself succeeds in his selfish goal. He’ll have no use for him after all that.

[@zorabrightwood1053]

Hunter is going through a lot right now. To find out that you're a person made from palistrom wood, Galderstones and etc. Is wow. 😬

[@METerrell]

If you go back to the end of Elsewhere and Elsewhen, you can see a book that is opened to pages referencing Grimwalkers.

[@ravenguard047]

14:26 You know what’s disturbing? I’m not sure if Belos said that as in “Good, we can still learn something from this experiment,” or as in “Shoot, they were supposed to be dead.”

[@orionicstar]

Someone in the crew uploaded all of the paintings if you want to see them close :)

[@hannahburke7328]

12:53 Belos Is The Wizard Of Oz Turned Wicked. ☠️

[@vojislavS8652]

This episode also has the highest ratings and for a good reason

[@Spoxoid]

I’m going to watch this right after my final exam tomorrow morning. I can’t wait. Best episode by far.

[@satiramalek2572]

good luck with the finales 💚

[@albanewest2361]

Grimwalkers are actually mentionned in S2 Ep9 "Eclipse Lake" in a book we see at the start of the episode. I won't spoil anything, but since it's an episode you already watched, I thought I could mention it.

[@CandleLight129]

You guys actually spent a good deal of time looking at the recipe for a Grimwalker and theorizing what it could be in a previous episode. I would also suggest really thinking about the name (*grim* - *walker*), what Belos said, and what we currently know about Belos. "It hurts every time he chooses to betray me." "Of all the Grimwalkers, you looked the most like him." "I will stop at nothing to save humanity from evil." From what we see of his life, it seems like Philip cared about his brother more than anyone else.