Ben Cline Slams ATF's 'Cavalier Attitude' And Playing 'Fast And Loose' With Americans' Lives

During a House Judiciary Committee hearing Thursday, Rep. Ben Cline (R-VA) spoke about the ATF's 'fast and loose' interpretations of federal and state laws.
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[@marcusjewelry]

The ATF got the results they expected. A gunowner reacting to a home invasion.

[@elzippo488]

Bobby traps are the only answer left then. Careful what you vote for.

[@oreillysc1]

Sadly I think that’s what they wanted. You nailed it. As to why?? I’m assuming to make a statement and intimidate the public

[@scottromer8584]

Absolutely intentional. Cut power, tape over camera, nothing showing ATF or law enforcement, barge into a gun owners home. Now they want the IRS armed???

[@jeffashcraft2388]

​@@scottromer8584Obama bought and distributed weapons to the IRS when he was in office. Smith and Wesson AR-15 carbine and the Beretta 1301 shotgun are the standard-issue long-guns to trained members of the IRS-CI long-gun cadre. Members of the long-gun will be issued one or both of these firearms long-guns on a permanent basis depending on weapon availability.”

[@saltyolbroad2962]

It does actually seem like they went there planning on killing him. That's why they didn't serve it when he wasn't home.

[@jamesdilts277]

The ATF needs to be gone, disbanded and some one needs to go to prison.

[@kitchiekuhns7422]

2A "...shall not be infringed". Can anyone tell me what the sub-sections are to the 2A?!

[@skymachellealexis]

They will

[@captainkidd1329]

The entire administration needs to be charged for murder espionage and genocidal crimes. Because biden started the wars. FJB FDL (democrat leftist)

[@saltyolbroad2962]

We need to call our representatives and tell them that!

[@saltyolbroad2962]

​@@kitchiekuhns7422there are no subsections.

[@guidichris]

The fact that the ATF wrote a rule that was so vague that a person even thinking about selling a gun is in the business. Bullcrap.

[@CarlosGunX]

" thinking about selling a gun is in the business.." Is called a "thought crime". The very definition of tyranny.

[@PioneerRifleCompany]

Actually, the politicians that pushed that forward and did nothing is bullcrap. They let all this happen and encouraged it by not even reading things brought before them. Now, they want to play the savior...the false savior.

[@umpire29]

Red flag the entire ATF.

[@robynrin7107]

This poor widow having to sit feet from this evil man arguing about her husband’s “intent”. So they killed him because they thought he was a bad person. This is sick

[@almaadams3631]

Remember the two resent "deaths" of Boeing employees( whistle blowers)??? This guy was assassinated because of his involvement in the airline industry.

[@richardcallihan9746]

ATF turned off power to the house, taped over cameras, and then Broke in. Said Police. {Just What a Home Envader Would Do.}

[@revtoyota]

This guy needs to be fired. There is no reason a person that can NOT disassemble a hand gun in under 30 seconds should be running the ATF. The dude has no clue what he is talking about.

[@astronautical1082]

Time to grow out of the adolescent gun nuttery and into adulthood where competency is a matter of knowledge and capability.

[@ShaggyRogers1]

​@@astronautical1082are you trying to actually make an argument or just say words? Dettlebach is not "competent". If he was competent, he wouldn't be a licensed and BAR registered lawyer that gives legal advice to Congress that go directly against the "rules" of his agency.

[@wydoesntexist]

S​@@astronautical1082 Go back to your saferoom and hug your teddybear.

[@revtoyota]

@@astronautical1082 He has zero knowledge and is absolutely incapable of doing the job. He can't even answer basic questions.

[@goosecouple]

Fauci isn't a medical doctor.

[@Tinmann_77]

Disband the atf

[@ericcarter2020]

Dettelbach belong in PRISON! HE HAS MADE UP HIS OWN LAWS TO GO AFTER AMERICAN CITIZEN! BUT WILL NOT GO AFTER CARTEL OR GANGS!

[@sez1742]

Ha ha it’s easier to go after citizens.

[@gcHK47]

Last time they tried to go after cartels, they lost 2,000 guns that they were supposed to track to cartels.

[@debbiebarrie9779]

Answer the question!!! OMG 😮

[@fireballxl5328]

If I give a beer or a cigarette to a friend and expect repayment later in the form of a better beer or multiple cigarettes am I a dealer ?? . . .and should I expect to be MURDERED by Doodledooche and his Lightning Strike Team ??

[@reneeg4817]

Those are his employer's

[@Unmutuall]

It looks like the ATF rules are vague and confusing on purpose with the intent of catching gun owners in a web.

[@CaptainSeamus]

Absolutely! They are attempting to revoke an FFL here locally (it is in litigation right now) because of paperwork done several years ago that had a 2 letter initial for the county of residence... so happens our state (even on their website) references all counties by these 2 letter designations (SG for Sedgwick, WY for Wyandotte, etc for all 105 counties) - Dettelbum flat out said that it wasn't for "corrective errors" but only for things that "would cause fraud and get guns in hands of terrorists" - the implication I take away from this, knowing why they are pulling this FFLs lic, is that we the people are all terrorists here and we are ALL the enemy of the state. Keep pushing, Dettelbug, we get your game. This is the game the intelligence agencies set up a few years ago, "proving" that the biggest risk to USA was "right wing extremists" - the studies were sandbagged from the get-go to come to that conclusion, ignoring the realities of Antifa and all these other leftists and their "mostly peaceful" protests - and why the various federal agencies have acted like WE are the problem - perhaps we are... but they never disclose what the actual "Problem" is that they are defining....

[@jong2359]

Not to mention long and plenty... if you tried to compile every "rule" you are required to follow by the ATF while also understanding the compilation, you would run out of time on this Earth.

[@stevemt3238]

Dettelbach should be answering these questions from inside a jail cell.

[@Steve-lx4wv]

He is unconstutional

[@mikeskiman5570]

Sorry could only give thumbs up once . Like to give it billions !

[@dwightcurrie8316]

Every One of these people are Corrupt, Evasive and at best Duplicitous in Everything they do. Their Proposed "Decisions" are Summed Up Simply as "Creating Binding LAWS" that are then called "Regulations", because they have ZERO Authority to Manufacture Any Laws, but their Word Salad and a Corrupt Anti Gun Administration is Condoning, Enabling and Wholly Supporting every single Subversion of Law, and the Lawmaking Process, and People who are given the authority to create and pass into existence Real Laws as defined in our Constitution, at every Miserable Turn. They don't like an existing Law, just create a "Regulation" that makes that Law Irrelevant, until that Regulation is Challenged In Court and Overturned. They do that hundreds of times and some "Regulations" will slip through the cracks and remain a Burden on the Citizens for Decades. Try This Example of "Slipping Through The Cracks. It is not dealing with Laws, but a "Tax" of sorts....There was a 3% Tax levied upon every Telephone owner to help finance The Spanish American War. Not a big deal since the war only lasted from April 21 to December 10, 1898...8 Months give or take. Seems a simple enough situation. The tax is in effect until the end of the war. No harm No Foul..... When was this Automatic Tax ended? you may ask...... It was finally Removed in 2006, would be the answer 108 Years after the Spanish American War Ended!!!! One Hundred And Eight Years after the end of an 8 Month War. Why, and How did this happen? It simply "Slipped Through The Cracks" and No Politician or Bureaucrat ever wanted any Tax, Law Or Regulation to end if there was a Dollar to be made from its continued Existence, OR it was a Tax, Law or "Regulation" that they agreed with...Simple as that

[@spacecoastz4026]

Along with about 50 other agents.

[@johnsmith-ug5tp]

Military brig is more like it! DOMESTIC enemy!

[@edwhite7457]

I feel so sad for the widow of the innocent citizen our own government murdered and not by accident.

[@Anthus.]

I think you meant "citizens" as in plural. This latest incident is not the first time, and probably will not be the last.

[@richardstewart8724]

232333333😢is 33333 for 4:16

[@AngelicaLady]

He wasn't the only one murdered just the one they talk about. But is he really dead because they say they killed me also but here I am breathing and talking and existing in purgatory

[@anthonysmith756]

Dettelbach Is either massively incompetent or doing this deliberately. No matter what one it is he needs to be jailed. At the very least.

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

It’s deliberate, nobody is this incompetent

[@letsdothis9063]

They are coached by lawyers and PR staff before they go to these hearings. Thats why they never answer the freaking questions. They are told exactly what to say, and what not to say. It's so frustrating. A judge would make them actually answer.

[@fireballxl5328]

WHY DO YOU THINK BRANDON CHOSE A COMMUNIST LEFT WING PROSECUTOR TO PUT IN THIS POSITION. no knowledge required about A of T or F

[@katykayy]

@@letsdothis9063 Dettlebach IS a lawyer! That’s the problem! No lawyer should EVER head any law enforcement agency!

[@reneeg4817]

​@@katykayyhe was appointed by Byeden

[@Hank13608]

Hey Dettelbach, here's some news for you: the Congressman isn't here to debate you, he is here to get straight answers to his questions, which you refuse to give..

[@lucysmith110]

ATF is the perfect definition of slime sludge!

[@goosecouple]

"How will democracy protect the people when their government change into a tyrannical regime ???"

[@dianna7795]

We r already there- guess they r just gonna kill us!

[@jooneybug]

We are not a democracy.

[@dalejohnson7980]

It's murder...without a doubt.

[@stuckie3916]

So does selling a car for profit invoke oversight by the EPA? When did making a profit become a crime?

[@johnq.public5911]

In a COMMUNIST government, profit is FORBOTEN!

[@fireballxl5328]

only a crime in done by a law abiding citizen. If a criminal politician is is encouraged

[@brianh3434]

Abolish the aft they need to be disbanded.

[@zim63]

Contact your Representative. Tell them this. You can do it quickly and easily from your phone. You can even send a message through their website.

[@auntlala4971]

Close ATF now

[@sharonprice4083]

But then you will have people crying because you are trying to take away their 2nd amendment.

[@richardcallihan9746]

All agents to the Border Patrol all management and bureaucrats to the door. Status unemployed.

[@keithkillingsworth5674]

Shall NOT BE INFRINGED !!!

[@geraldervin6342]

Unless I am mistaken, rules are not laws! Congress needs to approve changes in the law! ATF has gone overboard and making up their own Rules!

[@jackfanning7952]

ATF Director is way too aggressive. Anyone dealing with gun laws that is this aggressive is disturbing. He reminds me of the Beluchi Samurai Swordsman character.

[@thrummer1953]

Someone has to be prosecuted for this atrocity.

[@falkwulf3842]

They wont be because they have qualified immunity.

[@goosecouple]

They'll get a scapegoat.

[@ericcarter2020]

​@@falkwulf3842do they? I don't remember the laws say ATF HAS A RIGHT TO KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE!

[@umpire29]

I believe putting tape over the doorbell camera and cutting power shows intent. Especially after hatching out the plan in a Walmart parking lot. I guess that's a requirement for a search warrant.

[@shawnsanborn2057]

Nothing will happen

[@incontruth4116]

There’s 200 lawyers in that building and there isn’t one that can clearly explain their new law and that’s by design. They want you to spend thousands on lawyers fees to fight these unconstitutional laws.

[@KB-py6jd]

So at 6am the door crashes in and I am supposed to believe someone yelling police is actually the police?

[@mcpig3240]

The gunfire started exactly 57 seconds after the tape went over the doorbell camera. No time to knock and give the occupant time to answer the door. They kicked it in with no pause. The is another crappy raid by the BATFE like Ruby Ridge and Waco; with the intent to have a high profile, news worthy event to sell their new BS background checks for every gun sale. Before 1968 the ATF were tax collectors and now? Jackbooted thugs.

[@scvandy3129]

Congressman Cline: " . . . we're not gonna allow you [ATF] to do that." Sweet.

[@CaptainSeamus]

Now I hope he follows up his words with action. I would have asked Dettelbug in a different way - gently explaining to him that he is a laughing stock and unless and until he gets his thugs cleaned out and a proper protector of peoples rights in place, no one will ever respect him or the agency he represents. Dettelbug is a mockery.

[@richarddalmau5295]

ATFF, Dojj same as 1945 German Gestapo

[@davidquintana6843]

And the bastards lost

[@sprsmoke]

Dettelbach is very evil.

[@ericcarter2020]

Someone ask him to SHOW THE RULES TO THEM?

[@bobbykeller3505]

And you can tell by his body language that he's lying through his teeth

[@Shadowcruise99]

*All the pageantry means nothing, without Congressional action. Defund the ATF.*

[@darrellepickering8433]

Since when has Congress passed those rules into law? Fred Flintstone's a lawyer & ignorant of what a gun is! The ATF makes their own rules.

[@geraldjones2099]

This dude has become much better and rehearsed since his confirmation hearings. The evolution shows alot of practicing works. He obfuscates much better now.

[@goosecouple]

He is alot like Mayorkas now.

[@jong2359]

@@goosecouple its like they all went to the same school. Mayorkas, Dettlebech, AOC, Jean-Pierre, etc... they all speak the EXACT same way.

[@johnwallace7694]

@@goosecouple Yes Just like My dorkis

[@militantnormal428]

These government bureaucrats are what is wrong with our government! They are a bunch of “we know what is best for everyone else” type jerks!

[@Mike-bq7go]

That's the problem with those in govt they think they are the law and above it

[@user-bq3ce3kw1y]

They did not need him on the premises, it is not like they needed him for questions, or a tour and they could have gone to his work to arrest him before or after and had him safely in custody, not that would have been more embarrassing, the only thing I can see was to instill fear in him and everyone else, that escalates and makes it more dangerous and is the opposite of his claim to mitigate

[@robynrin7107]

Yep

[@charlesanderson9277]

1ST - GET RID OF DIDDLEBRAIN NOW ! 2ND - SHUT DOWN THE ATF NOW

[@kandaschurr7034]

This guy is supposed to be speaking English, but his answers make no sense to me.

[@stluge]

It's babbling bullshit

[@michaelcourts3605]

Do these clowns get tired on how to talk and not say anything 🤔 Dismantle the corrupt ATF

[@glbligliliyglihglig]

More smoke and mirrors, have to show they are doing something to justify their jobs. these meetings do nothing !

[@sammigiancana2926]

Yes, we need accountability...........!!!!

[@ralphsims3101]

What happened to the guns they lost? They sold them. Are they licensed as a dealer. NO

[@valgilson6504]

"under investigation" is the most used excuse to avoid the accountability of corruption. I would like to know how many guns have been take away from actual criminals compared to law abiding citizen?

[@lkj0822g]

"The provisions of the rules speak for themselves." But yet, Dettelback couldn't define when exactly you need to apply for a firearms license and there is a commentary document of sixteen pages single spaced trying to "clarify". If you need 10,000 words of legaleze to explain a law or rule, that doesn't exactly say "speak for themselves."

[@sammcewan1219]

Has anyone been charged with murder

[@johnq.public5911]

How about the "policeman" who assassinated an American Citizen on January Sixth? My understanding is that he was PROMOTED!

[@Sarah-im3lp]

Why should they!??

[@sharonprice4083]

No, no one has of yet and the poor widow is sitting right behind Steven Dettelbach.

[@Dan-sc7us]

@@sharonprice4083 You do realize the Malinowski shot and hit an agent first, don't you!!?

[@ralphieandthemamacat8383]

WAIT LITIGATION? SO WHO IS CHALLENGING OR WHO IS ATF CHALLENGING IN COURT? AND THE EVEN BIGGER QUESTION IS WHO THE HELL IS PAYING THE ATF LEGAL TEAM TO FIGHT AGAINST THE RIGHTS OF EVERYDAY AMERICANS? ARE WE LITERALLY PAYING FOR OUR RIGHTS TO BE TAKEN FROM US?

[@dianna7795]

Ok so what r u guys gonna do to ATF?

[@kipdavis9938]

This guy's body language is beyond pathetic

[@whitehaze259]

Who are these officials accountable to, their agents kill and nothing is done about it, the evidence has shown, they set up the perfect situation to cause a convict and possibly of death, when other means could of been used.

[@bobperrine6193]

Another non-answer

[@supernovavideoanimation2844]

CREEP

[@georgestone1485]

This crap has AG Merrick Garland's name wrote all over it!! A former appeals court judge should know the law and didn't care about the law or how it was applied to law abiding citizens livelihoods!! All that matters to Merrick Garland is optics & lack of actual responsibility!!!

[@The_Critical_Critic]

Stop Scooby-Doing the answers......

[@jamesboyd1378]

DETTELBACH AND JACK SMITH SHOULD BE LOCKED IN THE SAME PRISON.!!

[@LipstickNsofrito]

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[@jeffa5707]

Why would they care? Nothing happens to them.

[@ak40clip]

How the on gods green earth is the man still working for a federal agency. ATF needs a serious house clean !!

[@user-ty5pd3eq7w]

Liarer

[@55418und]

Pull the funding that goes to the ATF. Just defund them altogether.

[@jimoyler1780]

Thought crimes 101 !

[@randylochtefeld2806]

“Too cute by half” well said.

[@royvahldieck9381]

ATF, FBI and DOJ needs to be put out of business!!

[@rabble_rousdower]

Look how empty the floor is. Wtf is the HJC doing?!?!?!

[@user-fd5ew5zn7t]

You are trying to make it impossible for the people to reasonably expect to get compensation for their returns to be repaid in full for their losses

[@jeffashcraft2388]

This guy get verbally more cocky and louder everyday

[@stacieadams1403]

This was Murder ..

[@ghosty426]

The ATF didn't want body cameras because they took the time and trouble to tape over tbe Victim's doorbell camera and cut the power to his lights. This was planned to have no recording devices as witnesses.

[@80cardcolumn]

I was unfamiliar with the expression "Too cute by half” so I Googled it. The expression describes Dettelbach and the ATF very well. They think the public is stupid; they are wrong. The public can see right through their shit.

[@the_roflcakes]

Hearing after hearing for this strong arm tyrant department and nothing ever changes. What is it going to take to make it clear that people are fed up with the federal government over reaching and doing anything but protecting our rights as Americans?

[@revkim213]

How does anyone prove intent? Are they mind readers?

[@Billstoutsellscars]

"The rule" "the rule" "the rule" -- THAT IS THE PROBLEM -- 3 letter agencies making "rules" and enforcing those "rules" as law. Only Congress should be making laws

[@joeszymanski2182]

This is abuse of power by the ATF

[@rickturner3227]

Don't just TALK DO SOMETHING !

[@mountainman8602]

The answer is obvious. Take away the ATF's power to make rules that are enforced as laws. Abolish any they have already made. If something needs to be made illegal, it should be by a law proposed by Congress not just arbitrarily decided by a bureaucrat.

[@KB-py6jd]

Anyone notice the 3 letter agency leaders are all weasels?

[@M.A.-jm8pt]

Blah, blah, blah, nothing will come of this…….

[@donnasmith940]

The ATF murdered this man . Look at the way this was done . This was criminal, he did not deserve the death penalty for this.

[@timothyconn4369]

… it’s as if a man has a book of matches…. He’s automatically an arsonist…

[@BruthaVIII]

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" Juvenal ("Who will watch the watchmen?").

[@mcpig3240]

Who guards the guardians?

[@rickturner3227]

2 - 3 days from now Will anything be different ?????? Or will ATF Do the crime again ????????

[@steponacracker3865]

What a clown!!!

[@Hemidakota]

Three items should happen after this investigation: 1) Murder charges should be filed against both the ATF and the Police Department (providing the names of who was involved to the public), 2) a 9 figure monetary lawsuit should be filed against the ATF and the city, and 3) the removal of the ATF. This agency besides the corrupted DOJ and the FBI, should be removed from the payrolls of this government.

[@frankliebsch6754]

Dettelback is an arrogant bureaucrat. Needs to be removed from office!

[@lou6254]

Interesting word intent and like many other things it's a two-way street, Isn't that why the head of the ATF is there now, because we're trying to find out what was the intent behind this ambush-like raid.

[@user-rl7sq4sp2i]

It is murder.

[@notsure1582]

"The law is different in every case, but all Americans are expected to know the law." --ATF Director. ☝️ This is the very definition of "arbitrary and capricious", and that is my understanding of "tyranny".

[@nolabigeasy1435]

Since the ATF leader feels this way,disarm him and the entire ATF staff and case would be closed.periord.

[@edfederoff2679]

Based on the Director's answers, by what authority/jurisdiction did the ATF no-knock raid Mr. Malinowski's house, and render him deceased?

[@oreillysc1]

Why doesn’t the ATF go out and arrest the criminals who illegally use firearms in a crime and stop adding rules to bypass making laws that solely target legal gun owners.

[@AverageBeausOutdoor]

That takes too much effort for lazy government agents. They just want their pension.

[@MatthewSmith-cp3hu]

support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic

[@timhafley5177]

Being Accountable.

[@davidstockton601]

Have we forgot Waco

[@thomaslawson801]

Apparently the ATF has. Sooner or Later someone will remind them when to,"Get off my Grass."😮😮

[@nedtyler2382]

His whole defense is "well, everybody's doing it."

[@sylviaaguilar1847]

were is responsible?

[@marcusjewelry]

defund

[@richardkosoff711]

So basically, they want the law to be so vague that they can enforce or not at their whim. 😡

[@user-ji1vh8sg9z]

i put alot of blame into these RINOS , whenever atf director mentions congress laws & statures it the overeachis made with new laws that schumk , obummer, sloppy joe with the rinos make apparent .

[@nickbr15]

my tax going to waste There is something very wrong with this agency because I live in a very dangerous place and there are always incidents involving firearms and never in my life has an agent been here running after illegal weapons against bandits or do they only come in the early hours of the morning like they did with this good citizen yes because he had no records.

[@ImprovmanZero]

As a layman my takeaway from their rule is that they can decide you are a dealer if you ever think about selling guns. unless they decide they don't want to

[@clseairsppt]

The ATF took good intentions and went overboard. The vagueness of the laws makes all a criminal. His own version of their laws leave out language that they were trying to expose. It’s almost to the point of prosecution before action of a crime. And of course it more than includes average citizens.

[@RickStockberger]

CONGRESS makes the laws, the aft does NOT!