'2.7 Million People Are Now Felons?': Kelly Armstrong Grills ATF Head On Pistol Brace Regulations

During a House Judiciary Committee hearing Thursday, Rep. Kelly Armstrong (R-ND) spoke about pistol brace regulations.
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[@hemihead001]

Defund and disband ATF . Enough is enough .

[@thesoundsmith]

Defund and disband the NRA and the GOP. Enough WAS enough ten YEARS ago.

[@ghosty426]

*SUPPORT THE GOA!!* They constantly win cases against the rogue, anti 2nd amendment ATF.

[@cobbetlprogrammer1344]

💯

[@zim63]

Contact your Representative. Tell them this.

[@buzsalmon]

​@@zim63YES DO IT! I HAVE.

[@88997799]

I watched it all. ATF is out of control. Defund them now.

[@slimpickins09er87]

You misspelled abolish

[@magnus08f250]

The whole federal government has been seized

[@mikelee6936]

@@slimpickins09er87 This man's wife and family need to sue the asses of this guy and the rest of the atf. Then they all should go to prison for life.

[@DAVIDMAINORD]

SAVE TAX MONEY

[@TendoyD]

Diddlesbach is a murderer

[@kevinbee7236]

Thank you for putting the blame at the feet of the ATF, where it belongs.

[@sticksnstonespatriot1728]

And ✡️

[@rhare7353]

They murdered a man in his own home in front of his family.! the ATF is out of control and needs to be shut down!!!!!

[@Deathcylance]

Lets be honest, this isn't the first time that the ATF has killed people under suspicious circumstances...

[@shovelhead108]

You spelled shot down incorrectly

[@scotthargrove8750]

​@@shovelhead108 Yup, the 2nd law is for stopping tyranny dead in its tracks. It's not only the law it's our right and duty to stop tyranny. Tyranny in America is beyond absolute despotism.

[@troycouch5346]

@@shovelhead108 murdered, why do you think they didn't follow policy and had everyone remove their body cams and covered the homes security cameras.

[@zzz51435]

It's not the first time, either. And all of our federal government agencies are out of hand now

[@nolanscannell7399]

I am confused, when did the ATF become party of the legislative branch and start passing laws?

[@georgestone1485]

About the same time as the Judicial branch did!!! Let's make both Congress and the Judicial system answer to FOIA REQUESTS!!

[@lightningdriver81]

That’s the problem. This agency ought to be disbanded.

[@thesoundsmith]

I am confused, when did the *_NRA_* become part of the legislative branch and start passing laws?

[@josiahk.2048]

@@thesoundsmiththe NRA has passed no laws what kind of acid are you on

[@JamesCzerwinski-zk4qu]

Rules

[@TheMerks1]

The 200 dollar fee is unconstitutional

[@leskerr9446]

It infringes on your right to bear arms so should be scrapped!

[@scotthargrove8750]

All gun laws after 12/15/1791 are unlawful.

[@DuhYaThink]

Shows it’s not about safety but about money

[@tonyderks9172]

It's all unconstitutional

[@danmahoney8376]

The ATF is also.

[@spacecoastz4026]

What the ATF did had all the markings of a hit job. There was zero necessity to do an early morning in-the-dark raid, covering up the homeowners camera, cutting the power, over an issue of "a firearm license". Insane.

[@Halo3Matalix]

kinda weird they were all set to go on the 12th but they realised he wasn't home so they waited until the 19th when he was home. why wait until he was home if it was just a search warrent?

[@kenebarb5377]

How many cops are atf agents wouldn’t grab a gun if someone kicked in their door night or day?

[@mikerodix4800]

The guy apparently knew the Clintons

[@scottcarr3264]

That is a well equipped and well funded HIT SQUAD. To cover the Camera and cut the Power off they Knew the Owner was going to react the way he did, they just ILLEGALLY set him up for his own Death. This was the Guy's own House, this was not some Gang Headquarters.

[@mikerodix4800]

This guy knew the cl1nt0ns

[@georgestone1485]

A pistol brace is NOT a firearm. It is a separate item, like a scope or a light mount.

[@SeniorBillzy]

can buy firearms with pistol braces already

[@DxBlack]

@@SeniorBillzy And they're not part of the item under 99% of circumstances; they're _accessories_ . It's about the same as calling it a machinegun because it has a sling that you can attach...

[@thesoundsmith]

And so not subject to the 2nd.

[@alphagt62]

It’s a safety feature, a safety feature doesn’t make a gun more dangerous.

[@SeniorBillzy]

@@DxBlack I’m not making an argument, I am stating the fact that he was most likely referring to a citizen buying a pre-assembled “pistol” with a brace. That was what the comgressman was referring to in the video. It seems like this is getting awfully off topic.

[@johnthomas460]

Disband the ATF!!!!

[@thesoundsmith]

Disband the NRA permanently. You have a right to OWN, but not to KILL and you continue to confuse those two.

[@Sandra-cm1du]

They never answer questions. Sick of their dancing around the answer.

[@rogerwalker9191]

..Obviously this ATF guy is abiding by the law of Mayorkas..."If you can't Dazzle 'em with Brilliance~Baffle 'em with Bullsh*t!" Congress just killin' time asking questions that will never be answered, I say unto thee verily...

[@MrCoolguy425]

He was trying, the Senator cut him off 4 times. Basically, the ATF is saying that the senate fucked up their definition of a rifle and by extension a short barreled rifle. The senate has not defined what a “pistol brace” is in law, only a rifle and short barreled rifle Under title 18, part 1, chapter 44, 921, of the U.S. code (7) reads “the term rifle means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder… fire a single projectile… through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger” (I removed some of the legalize to help, confirm yourself if you like) (8) reads as “the term short-barreled rifle means a rifle having one or or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle… as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.” The argument the ATF is saying is that: since a rifle by definition is a weapon intended to be fired from the shoulder (including being made or remade to do so). When a brace is attached to a pistol, that pistol has been remade to have the intention to be fired from the shoulder. (A brace is designed to allow the weapon to be braced on the shoulder). Thus by the definition within the law, the pistol is now a rifle. Now that it is a rifle, it is now checked to see if its barrel is less than sixteen inches, or if the total length is less than twenty-six inches. If the “pistol” turned rifle is less than either of those measurements, it is a short barreled rifle. To me, the ATFs argument is actually sound, mainly because the Senate really fucked up their only job and messed up the law. The fix? Redefine a rifle and SBR to something that makes sense.

[@meowcachow9846]

@@MrCoolguy425ok, so let’s say they did fuck up their definition. Then shouldn’t a new definition be proposed to congress so that the previous definition of SBRs can be amended? Instead the ATF is just deciding it means whatever the fuck they want without anyone else having a say. The ATF has overstepped their intended purpose and are being allowed to, in effect, change laws without congressional approval.

[@MrCoolguy425]

@@meowcachow9846 correct a new definition should be proposed to amend the current laws. That’s pretty much what I’m saying. Because a pistol with a stock is a weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder which by current definitions makes a pistol a rifle. By the current definition the ATF are pretty much correct in their interpretation as far as I’m concerned linguistically. The question really is, if a shoulder brace is put onto a pistol, is that pistol now modified with the intention to be fired from the shoulder. A shoulder brace is pretty clearly designed with the intent to allow a pistol to be fired from the shoulder. Making the pistol a rifle with a small barrel, which is a SBR by legal definition.

[@dalejohnson7980]

it doesn't matter how much they argue this, the fact is that they murdered a man who was protecting his family.

[@rogerwalker9191]

..MURDER-R-US.GOV. //YOU CALL~SOME BODY GONNA' FALL!

[@RobertELee420]

Ruby Ridge?

[@reneeg4817]

Amen

[@DaveP326]

The man in Arkansas ? The ATF had a warrant that didn't apply to him personally, only his safe with his guns in it. It was a no-knock warrant. At 6am the ATF broke down his front door and he went downstairs to see what was going on, and the ATF agents shot him in the head, in front of his wife. It was a 10 car SWAT team withlocal police. All body cams were turned off. (Hmmm...) They could have just called him and said they were coming with a warrant, HE didn't even need to be there. They waited a whole week until they knew he was there. This man was a $200K a year airport executive who had been selling his own guns-which is legal, but the ATF claimed he was "in the business of sellingb guns without a license". Not true. Those were his personal collection and he was selling them off. For that they murdered him. Waco, Ruby Ridge, the cattle rancher in Montana, Ashley Babbitt, and now Mr. Kronowski in Arkansas. Not one single jackbooted nazi thug US government agent has been prosecuted for ANY of those murders-with the exception of Waco, all victims were unarmed. Where are we living-Venezuela?

[@whitewolf3201]

Democrats murdered Ashely Babbitt too

[@mountainman8602]

SBRs are 100% legal. As long as you give ATF $200. You have to buy permission to own it. So why does the ATF say one is illegal and dangerous but if you give them $200 that same firearm is ok?

[@Brian-rn2wx]

Its all about control through fear & Taxation. Not about "safety". If it were the case Fast & furious wouldn't of happened & ATF would be all over cities like chicago where actual crime takes place but they dont. They rather mess with us.

[@stevep6317]

The NFA was created to lock certain weapons behind a paywall, thus preventing lower-income people from using them. $200 in 1934 is the equivalent of about $4,500-5000 today. So ask yourself, who were those low-income people? What demographics did that impact?

[@brianszulwach5165]

Great comment and it doesn't matter if it's $0.02 or $2,000,000. it's wrong!

[@jamesmadison9244]

It’s legal for a price, but the fact that a tyrannical government knows you have it and where you store it in your home is the worst.

[@mghegotagun]

@@jamesmadison9244 If it's legal for a price, it's extortion.

[@WilliamCollins-sh6lm]

He admitted Gun Ownership is a Right... A Right can not be Registered Regulated Revoked Licensed Restricted or Taxed... Only Privileges can be !!! Quit Infringed all over "Shall Not Be Infringed" !!!

[@thomasturner3299]

So we don’t need to be registered to vote?

[@Vansanity10]

@@BobM.-to9ji What a simpleton nowhere in the 2nd does it say guns must be controlled!🤡😆🤣

[@Akathesia]

Barack Obama loves the ATF. Just a glimpse of what totalitarianism looks like… and they wouldn’t even charge Hunter.

[@Mitch_Conner75926]

@@thomasturner3299Not the same thing in any capacity, good try though. The second amendment is the only amendment which states shall not be infringed at the end of it. Don’t even try the “well regulated” and “militia” nonsense either. Heard all the Maoist anti gun propaganda. The right to vote, can require registration and in the bulk of the country requires such. Now If the right to vote had shall not be infringed at the end of it, the answer would be the same. However it seems very unlikely that you’ll accept it because you’re making a nonsensical equation between two rights that aren’t the same level of importance.

[@Vansanity10]

@@BobM.-to9ji I'm just showing your hypocrisy!🤡😆

[@ziayankee1407]

FJB AND THE ALPHABET BOIS

[@Parasclepius]

Trump enacted more gun control than Obama. Stop thinking either side is better.

[@mikelee6936]

So true!!

[@random13627]

idk if biden even knows that this happened lol

[@user-jx4ot6it5k]

There is nothing respectable about this guy!

[@samseven5260]

Who is harmed by a pistol brace?

[@ACBoomin]

ATFs wallet

[@samseven5260]

@@ACBoomin YEP! … time to cut out the 80% of government looking for the work congress should be doing. Why should a national of 320+ million need 17 intel agencies and hundreds of other regulating agencies? Biggest employer in the country should not be the government.

[@mrmyth5846]

It enables the handicapped to use the firearm and was directed at them personally.

[@christophercool4735]

Apparently the ATF...

[@NorthGeorgiaMountains]

This was a murder

[@DAVIDMAINORD]

WHAT THE COWERDS DO BEST

[@WardDorrity]

It was a murder and a message to the rest of us.

[@Nathdood]

​@WardDorrity the only message I got was "atf are criminals"

[@jamiemineer4879]

ATF authored millions of letters saying pistol braces were completely legal and this clown tries to refer to the 1934 anti gun act for reason to say they’re SBRs

[@lisafeck1537]

I knew he was spouting lies and BS, excuses, and refreshing a **1934**? gun law. Also, I had seen in comments (SBRS). Your comment helped bring some clarity for me. Thanks.

[@MrCoolguy425]

@@lisafeck1537it’s because the 1934 act is still in place and has never been revised. The definition of both “rifle” and SBR within the actual written law are from this 1934 act. Nobody complains that the constitution is still part of the law even though it was written in 1787. The senate sits on its ass in vacation half the year, and doesn’t revise shit definitions like that a rifle is “a weapon… intended to be fired from the shoulder…” (18 U.S. code 921 - definitions) Which a pistol with a shoulder brace is intended to be fired from the shoulder, suddenly makes a pistol a rifle, and therefore an SBR. All because the senate are lazy pieces of shit and can’t write a laws even if it’s their only job.

[@UpTheRa007]

Never forget ATF on April 19 1993 raised a Battle Flag over the burned body’s of women and children #Sickening

[@Stephen-on6bf]

They raised a flag?

[@michaelstjohn6086]

@@Stephen-on6bf some took all star photos with the piles that were left behind them

[@thesugardaddy7037]

​@@Stephen-on6bf Yep. They raised the flag and some took war victory style photos while standing on the ashes of the dead(and innocent) women and children. A good example of a person who did this is a man named David Chipman. You know, the guy biden nominated to be HEAD OF THE ATF. Thats right. A guy who murdered innocent women and children almost became the head of that organization.

[@TheTibetyak]

@@Stephen-on6bf They raised to half-mast, the American Flag, The Texas Flag and the ATF flag. The interpretation is subject to scrutiny.

[@jackflash6377]

That is the heart of the matter. They served a warrant in the most dangerous way possible for what wasn't even a crime.

[@eonreeves4324]

the crime is they don't like you. they don't like their slaves being armed

[@DeltaDanner]

A “crime” that the director can’t even explain with no clear guidelines, which was only made a rule a few months ago in a 500 page document that courts are still trying to interpret.

[@hairydogstail]

He respectfully disagrees with the truth.. Time to clean house and hold these illegal agents accountable..What part of shall not be infringed doesn't he understand?

[@scottcarr3264]

How about you Impeach the Director, Rescind this new "Rule", and put someone in charge that actually understands the 2nd Amendment, and Carry out Warrant Searches Properly, within the LAW.

[@GuyIncognito-mw8mr]

He comes from the same tribe that cries about anti semitism …..

[@MrCoolguy425]

Why don’t you read the actual laws? Unironically the ATF actually have a good argument for classifying pistols with braces as rifles. The logic being? A rifle is defined as “a weapon intended to be fired from the shoulder” by the SENATES laws. This makes a pistol with a shoulder brace a rifle since a shoulder brace is intended to be used to brace a pistol with your shoulder. (Wow shocking I know)

[@hairydogstail]

@@MrCoolguy425 Why don't you actually read the 2ndA where it says shall not be infringed and is the law of the land..Did you know so called short barreled rifles use to be under 18" and not 16" because the government sold surplus M1 carbines to civilians and then realized they were NFA items at the time?? Did you know the aft stated pistol braces were legal for years and then biden changed the rules to make millions of gun owners felons and ruin manufacturers who spent millions for their production?? Did you know Canada and Europe has no short barreled rifle regulations and even mandate silencers to protect hearing?? Did you know they went with short barreled rifles instead of banning handguns in 1934 as a compromise for the nfa tax..Did you know they understood they couldn't ban nfa weapons, so they put a huge tax on them, which eventually did go to banning new manufacturing..?? Did you know they banned any new full auto weapons from being made in 1986 (with a voice count most said failed) to be sold in the civilian market in 1986, even though full auto owners are the most well behaved gun owners compared to other firearms..Did you know more people die every year from falling out of bed and constipation then die from so called assault weapons?? Did you know 264 million people were murdered by their own governments in the last century called democide?? The common denominator was gun control..A well regulated militia ( meaning trained and equipped) being necessary to the security of a free state, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO (KEEP) AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! The Bruen gun case hearing stated our gun rights are not connected to the militia, even though there is still an un-oraganised militia that is still law that all able bodied citizens belong to?? Try again slick!

[@GenericProtagonist7]

​@@MrCoolguy425You get nothing out of this bootlicking, you just want to disarm your political opposition.

[@DB-uv2df]

So the director lied in previous questioning where he said that the ATF does not have a gun registry.

[@user-ii4zf5iq3t]

🎯

[@thesugardaddy7037]

If only they got slapped with perjury charges. That would end a lot of lying real quick. But unfortunately no, that wont happen.

[@darrellepickering8433]

More to the point the ATF doesn't have the authority to pass rules/laws but they try too. Until Congress reels them in, this's the way it'll go.

[@bobc1631]

and of course, congresscritters just talk and hold hearings. And DO nothing.

[@FarmerStatesman]

In 1968 Congress passed the Omnibus Safe Streets Act, which enabled the BATF. It also made something new happen: "Enabling Legislation". Congress punted on a lot of actual regulations, by saying: "The Director shall..." and under Administrative Law? That's the same as Congress saying so. It's wrong, but there's a lot of case law to support this.

[@roaddemon20011]

Holy hell.... Looks like Dettlebach woke up on Mayorkas side of the bed.. his answers are long-winded and drawn out and not really what anybody's asking. Just like Mayorkas.

[@rogerwalker9191]

..Obviously this ATF guy is abiding by the law of Mayorkas..."If you can't Dazzle 'em with Brilliance~Baffle 'em with Bullsh*t!" Congress just killin' time asking questions that will never be answered, I say unto thee verily..

[@apstech4618]

It's a lefty democrat rogue foreign agent operative thing.

[@Jax0238]

yet he answers the democrat's questions with such precision and embellishment 😂

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

Well, they both belong to the same tribe.

[@GuyIncognito-mw8mr]

Well they are from the same tribe and cut from the same cloth so what do you expect?

[@jacquelinekraynek6300]

Violating rights and what they did is beyond a disgrace . So sad for this family

[@ahv51]

Despite how many times he says “respectfully”, I don’t think he means it.

[@jamesbarca7229]

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency. The ATF needs to be disbanded and the criminals who run it thrown in prison.

[@MrCoolguy425]

It’s the senates fault for making shit laws, seriously have you actually read the legal definition of a rifle and by extension SBR? It’s laughable.

[@NeroontheGoon]

If you only knew the hatred in my heart for these government agencies!

[@WilliamCollins-sh6lm]

Just another Phoney Expert with absolutely No Common Sense !!! He is sticking to their "Agency" !!!

[@joevergnetti767]

This toolbar couldn’t even break down a Glock, nor identify parts of the .50 cal and other ‘scary’ looking rifles. He knows he’s screwed come Jan 2025!! Haha

[@WilliamCollins-sh6lm]

What ever happened to Warrants during normal "Business Hours" ???

[@melgillham462]

It was indeed a "daytime" warrant.

[@user-yq3fz9ch5q]

​@@melgillham462 Merriam-Webster's Dictionary. daytime noun day·​time ˈdā-ˌtīm often attributive Synonyms of daytime : the time during which there is daylight 🤷‍♂️

[@Huerta00]

Criminals usually wait when their target least expects an attack. I.e. in the middle of night or early hours when no one's awake.

[@muddyhotdog4103]

@@melgillham462 but was acted on during the night when everyone was asleep

[@kotaroatani9800]

@@muddyhotdog4103 they attacked the day of Spring ahead as well, so it was 5am that night, but the TIME was 6AM because we moved the clock 1 hr forward, that's the type of BS the ATF did, then they didn't wear cameras, turned off his Camera (RING) and then breached his home, if the victim had camera's inside going to the CLOUD, it would have shown (Allegedly): that the ATF started the gun fight and killed the man while he was most likely defending himself. Defund the ATF, Defund the Police, We don't need them, we have the 2nd Amendment, real men will carry weapons and Protect themselves or nullify threats.

[@winst0n888]

If the ATF is not defunded the American people will see that it is so. This will not go away ATF. You will be held responsible.

[@DeltaDanner]

This is what our 2nd Amendment is for. Until these tyrants are brought in by the Federal government more events like this will happen. Malinowski was performing his duties as a husband by protecting his wife and home from intruders and as an American by defending himself from murderous enforcers of tyranny.

[@MrCoolguy425]

Maybe hold the actual people at fault, the writers of the laws aka the senators. They are just trying to shift the blame so that they can ignore the problem for another 100 years

[@clydetackett4594]

Congress needs to man up and tell ATF they were not elected to pass any Laws and they don't have any legal rights to dictate what our 2nd amendment Rights are. And make something illegal when no law was passed by Congress or made so by the senate, the ATF is and still is over stepping their mandate to just uphold the Law. This is just smoke and mirrors for the public to make it look like they are going to hold any federal agency accountable for any illegal over reach.

[@joerobo682]

Congress needs to start defunding these agencies, at least. the ATF and all other three letter agencies need to be disbanded.

[@mghegotagun]

Half of congress is beholden to gun control lobbies that won't give an inch, no matter how unreasonable or useless the infringement is. This is why those who are pro gun should never go along with "compromise". You're compromising with people that never compromise anything. You're compromising with people that will defend to the death the government's power to put you in jail for 10 years because your rifle has a 15 inch barrel.

[@paulholman2841]

@@joerobo682 Congress is literally afraid of them, and that is why they will not do that.

[@joerobo682]

@@paulholman2841 then congress need to be replaced by reps that have some balls

[@paulholman2841]

@@joerobo682 The problem is that congress as a legislative body, has no direct enforcement of the law . . . They rely on the alphabet men to do that. The same alphabet men that they know will kill them, if they cross a certain threshold. I agree with you, but congress (along with the rest of Our government) has been compromised, sadly. I have hope for The People, and for this beautiful country we live in, but the government is doomed, and it is simply a matter of time before it's inevitable collapse, due to a total monetary failure, as evidenced by the debt clock.

[@bobthetitanic]

He won't answer questions.

[@chlebowg]

He never does

[@geneticdisorder1900]

Diddleblob knows he will never be held accountable !!!

[@DirtDobber]

We don’t need the federal government’s permission for a damn thing.

[@apstech4618]

Just make sure your guns are bigger than their guns lol!

[@debrawilder9551]

You got that right most is private what organizations trying to control us making us think that they exist as a part of our country and they don’t

[@jcbbb]

@@apstech4618 They don't even know how to break down their glocks to clean them Why you think all those chubby jellyrolls were so trigger happy? They've never been involved with any action and they got to play!

[@MrCoolguy425]

@@jcbbbit’s because they are just listening to what the senators wrote down. Have you actually read read the law?

[@aldridgesp]

get rid of the ATF

[@kermitkujo]

They should just saying "Answer yes or no. Failure to provide one of the two given answers, you will be placed under contempt of court"

[@rogerwalker9191]

..Obviously this ATF guy is abiding by the law of Mayorkas..."If you can't Dazzle 'em with Brilliance~Baffle 'em with Bullsh*t!" Congress just killin' time asking questions that will never be answered, I say unto thee verily..

[@MrCoolguy425]

More like the senator should STFU and let the guy answer instead of cutting him off every 2 seconds. It’s the senates fault in the first place for making a stupid definition in their own laws.

[@ValexTheGobbo]

You can tell Rep Armstong was holding his anger as much as he possibly could.

[@lances4803]

The ATF Director is wrong. No where in 18 USC 922 does the word "intent" appear, especially in section (g)1, concerning Felons in Possession of a Firearm.

[@michaelstjohn6086]

not surprised

[@MrCoolguy425]

It’s in the definitions under 921 U.S. code title 18 section 921 subsection 8 reads “the term ‘rifle’ means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder… fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger” I see the word “intended” in that definition

[@BassStoke]

Making it up as they go.

[@pandoralechat780]

Democrat ploy.

[@The_Critical_Critic]

He is Scooby-Dooing his answers....

[@Mookie0328]

😂😅

[@spencerdouglas1538]

I hope the get this guy of there in 2025 once Trump wins

[@asakayosapro]

out of atf and one way trip to Gitmo. I hear the climate there is spicy lovely that time of year.

[@jeffvw1994]

I hope he gets thrown in jail once Trump wins. Problem is Trump won last election and they cheated so huge that they got biden in there.

[@rsstnnr76]

It's all congress' fault. It's always someone else's fault.

[@rogerwalker9191]

..Congress SHOULD HAVE the absolute power to make these Mayorkis-style bureaucrats ANSWER THE DA*N QUESTIONS !

[@MrCoolguy425]

@@rogerwalker9191except the guy was trying to answer and the senator was cutting him off because he didn’t want the real answer in that the laws the senate makes are fucking stupid and they should feel bad for making them so stupid

[@brotherothniel5474]

Lol they do all that talking and Asking questions but ain’t nobody going to jail for violating their oath of office to the constitution

[@lawrenceschafer3158]

Bingo!

[@MrCoolguy425]

Because the ATF are legally safe because of bogus Senate laws. A pistol with a shoulder brace by senate definition is a rifle, look it up. It’s under the definition of rifle in title 18 section 921 subsection 8

[@johnr4898]

No one can own these dangerous prohibited pistol braces, but if someone gives the ATF $200.00 they are no longer dangerous or prohibited items. Make us felons or make us pay, no safety is involved just a money making scheme.

[@MrCoolguy425]

It’s not the pistol braces, it’s a shoulder brace on a pistol. Since by definition a pistol with a shoulder brace is a rifle according to the U.S. senate (title 18 section 921 U.S. code subsection 7 and 8)

[@jaguar4998]

Criminal charges for ATF

[@live2serv]

Their goal is to remove guns from everyone's hands, even if it requires sending most to prison.

[@WardDorrity]

Even if it means murdering us.

[@mchavez1138]

He is adding regulations without any authority. No external devices determines the rate of fire for any firearm. It is the internal mechanisms impacts the rate of fire. AR-15s are not used in the military grade weapon. PERIOD!!

[@DeltaDanner]

The ATF regulates firearms. A “firearm” is defined as the receiver in which the firing mechanism is put in place. Braces are not firearms. Stocks are not firearms. Safety devices are not firearms. Yet the ATF regulates them all the same. The ATF cannot make laws, only enforce them and interpret them. They “interpret” definitions to fit their ideals and enforce the “rules” that they are in charge of defining. Pure tyranny.

[@robertlawson698]

I can't believe I'm saying this,but I now have a lower opinion of the AFT"director"than I do of the"president"!😝👎

[@michaelstjohn6086]

2 fleas on the same dog

[@robertlawson698]

​@@michaelstjohn6086 And the dog has rabies!

[@michaelstjohn6086]

@@robertlawson698 100% lol

[@reedewillson7289]

The rule is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. " in common use for lawful purposes " .

[@MrCoolguy425]

Read the law dude. Title 18 section 921 subsection 7 and 8. By legal definition a pistol WITH a shoulder brace is a short barreled rifle.

[@reedewillson7289]

@@MrCoolguy425 That code section is over ruled by SCOTUS decision .

[@MustangGuru]

Ex post facto. The brace was purchased before any supposed law came about,

[@davidhill492]

2.7 million? More like 10-15 million at least what a bunch of liars!

[@jacksson9391]

2.7 now felons? That was Fred Flintstones plan all along!

[@solidstehl9546]

Wow and ATF gets their funding from where again?

[@brotherbroseph1416]

You and me pal

[@NDcompetitiveshooter]

Please stop giving a blanket defense to all "rank and file" law enforcement. There are many good ones, but there are a whole lot of bad ones. All of them could have executed the search warrant when he wasn't home. They rescheduled so he would be home and surprised by their intrusion. Everyone participating in that murder is guilty. Period.

[@AaronHorrocks]

In this hearing, the ATF calls a 'Short-Barreled Rifle', an "unusually dangerous" weapon. Yet, my local Police Department's issued carbines are SBR configured AR15s.

[@DeltaDanner]

AR pistols and pistol braces were ruled completely legal by the ATF and they have written letters saying such. Then the administration changed and suddenly they are “unusually dangerous” and we need to ban them. The ATF doesn’t have the power to do that, but they can “interpret” the definition of a SBR to include a braced AR pistol, thus taking back their original “interpretation” and turning millions of people into felons overnight.

[@michaelcassady1289]

I don't owe anyone $200 so I have permission to exercise my rights. Who the hell do these people think they are that they believe that they have the authority to infringe on people's rights? They have no right to do so. They are extorting people and kidnapping under color of law. It is illegal for senators, representatives, judges and LEAs to make and enforce "laws" that require people to have written permission to do things and have things that we were born with the right to do and have. The constitution says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". That is the supreme law of the land. When someone is put in prison because they had a fire arm and it was not registered or they had it in their pocket or in their car, the arresting officer is a thief and a kidnapper. The judge is a cartel leader, and the jailers are kidnappers as well. The prisoner had the right and did nothing criminal. The legislature betrayed the people and committed treason in direct violation of the law. The definition of a crime is when something is done that is against the law and generates a victim. It is against the law for the members of the legislature to make laws that are unconstitutional. That also means the act of enforcing unconstitutional laws is a crime. Enforcing an unconstitutional law is the same thing as kidnapping, extortion, robbery, assault and murder. And the strip search done on the people put in jail who have been arrested unconstitutionally is rape. Most people are too stupid to wrap their head around this fact.

[@jeffreyolp4198]

Extremely well said.

[@rogerwalker9191]

..⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@Wildwestwrangler]

They are going to push this type of stuff harder and harder, because they want those 200 tax stamps since the gov as a whole is broke!!! I just don't see how it isn't taxation without representation? Of course it is, but they don't legally have that right. Even so, they'll do it anyways.

[@markhellman-pn3hn]

im waiting for him to say "I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS"

[@houseadams4841]

How many pistol braces were involved in major crimes / violence..?? I’ll bet it’s almost zero..

[@andrewgrant2948]

I believe the shooter at king soopers in Colorado had a braced AR15…

[@ronnydoctor466]

They had so many different options to take if they just wanted to arrest the man , and they chose the most dangerous and often deadly option , which is a no-knock raid at 6:00 in the morning !😮😢

[@naradac841]

There is literally no way they did not know that he had a firearm. None. It was the reason they were there. Executing the warrant this way, unannounced, meant that he had no warning, and that he had no way of knowing the home invaders were federal agents. Absolutely no care was taken to bring this man in alive.

[@josef56]

ATF snake making regulations not laws! Do we have a Constitution in America or not?

[@laurenfazenbaker9777]

Not. Haven't you been paying attention?

[@anthonysmith756]

Is it me or does this ATF guy a compete and utter goof.

[@MrTiberus1701]

The ATF is going rogue, plain & simple. It needs to go bye bye, now.

[@downanddirtytruth]

Great job, Kelly. You're a boss.

[@rutroh8247]

It never ceases to amaze me how many times he implies the facts aren't showing what the facts are showing. Compulsive liar must be the top qualification requirement for his position. There would be the far less problems if these liars were actually ever held legally and criminally accountable like the people are for blatant fabrications, lying and deception.

[@1mctous]

That's the skill most required for most executive positions.

[@utubegeneric]

They only wanted to serve the warrant while he was there because of "shock/awe" in hopes the guy would self incriminate himself to make their jobs easier when they prosecuted him.

[@DeltaDanner]

Have to justify wasting tax dollars on tactical hit squads by creating firefights that could have easily been avoided. Why does the ATF need armored vehicles and machine guns? Because instead of arresting criminals in a safe way they turn towns into war zones and common criminals into terrorists. Can’t stop mass shootings, or gangs, or gun running Cartels (who get their weapons from the ATF directly) but they can show up to your house in an LAV and turn a search/arrest warrant into a siege/skirmish.

[@ageofreason5256]

At that time I was still naive enough to try to make clear to them the madness of their ideas; in my small circle I talked until my tongue was weary and till my throat was hoarse, and I thought I could succeed in convincing them of the destructiveness of their Marxist doctrine of irrationality; but the result was contrary. It seemed as though the increasing realization of the destructive influence of Social Democratic theories would serve only to strengthen their determination. The more I argued with them, the more I got to know their dialectics. First they counted on the ignorance of their adversary; then, when there was no way out, they themselves pretended stupidity. If all this was of no avail, they refused to understand or they changed the subject when driven into a corner; they brought up truisms, but they immediately transferred their acceptance to quite different subjects, and, if attacked again, they gave way and pretended to know nothing exactly. Wherever one attacked one of these prophets, one's hands seized slimy jelly; it slipped through one's fingers only to collect again in the next moment. If one smote one of them so thoroughly that, with the bystanders watching, he could but agree, and if one thus thought he had advanced at least one step, one was greatly astonished the following day. They did not in the least remember the day before, he continued to talk in the same old strain as if nothing had happened, and if indignantly confronted, he pretended to be astonished and could not remember anything except that his assertions had already been proved true the day before. Often I was stunned. One did not know what to admire more: their glibness of tongue or their skill in lying. I gradually began to hate them.

[@jamesmadison9244]

People that feel virtuous infringing my rights do not deserve this country or belong in it.

[@RichardSpeights]

Let's not excuse the rank and file. Don't forget we did not excuse the rank and file of Nazi Germany after WWII. "I was just following orders" didn't fly. A man needs to evaluate himself and his job. If his job mandates he do evil (such as violating the constitutional rights of American citizens among other things), then a man needs to object. If his objections are overruled, he needs to quit in protest and follow up with vocal, determined, and long-term, public protestations. Stand up and be men. Don't pervert yourself into a junkyard dog for the state.

[@finaloption...]

He's salivating at the chance to load us all onto boxcars and would do it today if he was ordered.

[@RichardSpeights]

@crichbra4428 Yeah, I know. But he's still better than Biden.

[@JohnJohnson-hl4fv]

A pistol brace makes a handgun more accurate, and that's a crime? So it's much better to have a handgun that's not accurate? Can you imagine if that logic applied to everything?

[@gregb6469]

A brace is not a firearm. A brace can not fire a bullet. Where does the ATF get the authority to regulate it?

[@stevep6317]

New drinking game idea: Watch the entire hearing and take a shot every time he says "respectfully" or "with respect"

[@chrishessey9733]

Just leave the people alone and but out.

[@goosecouple]

"The 2A makes a distinction between the Military and the People. The Military --- Regulated. The People --- Shall not be infringed. "

[@hairydogstail]

Regulated means trained and equipped with description of the 2ndA and it was directed at the citizens militia, not the standard army..

[@thrummer1953]

@@hairydogstail The Militia in this case is every able-bodied Man between 16 and 64.

[@BobM.-to9ji]

Registration is not infringing anything, you just have to register the weapon.

[@hairydogstail]

@@BobM.-to9ji The 2ndA is about division of power and registration has always led to confiscation.. Shall not be infringed does not mean after meeting the tyrannical governments rules.. Try again slick..

[@BobM.-to9ji]

@@hairydogstail - Don't connect dots that are not there. Are you part of a well regulated militia?

[@mikewoike9429]

Sense when does the ATF wright LAWS ???

[@MrChipBryant]

I just no longer respect our federal government agencies

[@James-hb8qu]

Asked wrong. Correct way: Were braces illegal 5 years ago? No. What law was passed in the last 5 years that made them illegal?

[@proudamerican2133]

Exactly!!!

[@ChristopherRunyon-ql5qe]

Statistically that's a low number for a population the size of the USA.

[@alross18058]

one is too many

[@ChristopherRunyon-ql5qe]

@@alross18058 That's just the tip of the iceberg.

[@markasteelsr.5990]

Also statistically the diddler is lying, doing the shuck and jive. He needs to be terminated from this position and charged with failure to uphold the sworn oath. WE need to do whatever we want with accessories. How does the aft know what we have with what? Do they look though our windows? Presto/changeoh.

[@shrimuyopa8117]

Yes, but that is with ATF's numbers (the low end by the way). When you actually talk to people in the industry who have actual records kept of the items sold, it is between 10 and 40 million sold. Also, do you really think it is a good idea to imprison millions of people who have never committed a violent crime? The Soviets tried that.... It didn't end well.

[@ChristopherRunyon-ql5qe]

Thank God the USA is not the Soviet Union.

[@ronniegilbert841]

Why are so many senators not in their seats. IT"S YOUR JOB!

[@brianf7087]

I can't think of one government agency that shouldn't be Abolished

[@captainkidd1329]

so I can go from 5.56 to 50beowolf just by putting a pistol brace on? 😱 I gotta get one

[@deveey]

im shouldering a pistol brace right now

[@dman31804]

RULES ARE NOT LAWS!!!! This shouldn’t even be a thing but here we are.

[@lennychorn147]

They need to remove the F & E from the agency and send them back to dealing with the A & T as they were originally tasked.

[@awakenedpersona6488]

Call your elected officials and tell them to disfund and disband the ATF, nothing changes without the people calling for action to be taken!

[@HeinzGuderian_]

Every Agency and Department that cannot be found in the US Constitution needs to be disbanded. Every "Act" or statute that violates the US Constitution needs to be repealed. Every regulation that carries the power of legislated law needs to be repealed, and Congress absolutely needs to take their authority back.

[@cestmoi1262]

The moment a politician answers a questian with "AGAIN" you know he is hiding something or doesn't have an answer that will keep him off the hook.

[@tedberwick3186]

Ty

[@stlpro2a386]

Guy walking out with first pistol brace, followed ATF confirmation that it was not a NFA item.....multiple times over several years.

[@trishregan7991]

Excellent questions.

[@hey1010101010929384]

ATF should be ashamed of themselves!

[@crevecouer6772]

Finally some one who understand the law and the reality of what goes on in the real world. Thank you Congressman , keep at him the weasel.

[@Nanoblaster77]

WOW!

[@billweeks9606]

What about the people that we KNOW are "unusually dangerous"?

[@CrWilson-do1ik]

Why do all these people that are being questioned sound like they’re incompetent and they’re bumbling around their words like if they were in a job interview they wouldn’t get hired at McDonald’s

[@roblowe9283]

Keep up the good work !!!!!

[@foodreviewer4903]

If you answer a yes/no question with anything other than yes or no, it should be noted as a "refusal to answer" and an avoidance of responsibility.

[@lloyd359]

Morality is what determines the ultimate worth of a certain former prosecutor.

[@Circu1t]

Unreal.

[@SwingVoter-hz6nn]

I’ve got three pistol braces I’ve never installed. You could buy weapons with them installed as late as last year