Ben Shapiro Reviews “Dune: Part Two”

[@rdemille767]

Ben asked why didn't the Fremen defeat the Harkonnen before if it was so easy. It's because they didn't have the Atreides family atomics before. That's what destroyed the shields, which made it easy to for them to take over.

[@mycodingtutorials]

and also the fact that under Paul's leadership, Paul has foresight abilities and more knowledge of the harkonens than the freman.

[@dannyduggan4324]

Someone else earlier also said, they were resisting rather than trying to force them off the planet, the different tribes weren't aligned and their attacks when they happened weren't strategic.

[@l.h.tnguyen4916]

Yeah but in movies you want some challenge to make build suspense. thats why in fight scenes the hero always loses at the beginning to build suspense, like "can he overcome?" Imagine the karate kid or Neo or Rocky just winning every round and match with ease. It would make a boring movie. Ben is right that the fight is just way too easy.

[@MrSnufullahfahgess]

⁠@@l.h.tnguyen4916so your argument is because a common movie trope wasn’t used it doesn’t feel right and is boring? What an absolutely terrible take lmfao

[@obuzzio]

I think it’s clear from the book that the main reason of the “delay” on defeating the Harkonnens was to lure the Emperor, the main Bene Gesserit, CHOAM and Space Guild representatives to be physically present in Arrakis. That is when Paul can not only take over Dune but also the known universe.

[@QuynhAn689]

The real genius hero behind Dune part two is the budgeteer for all of this, holy shit how does this movie only cost 180 mill

[@fixo5132]

then you have the shitshow of Star wars force awaken costing 447 Millions ...

[@mcwornex2123]

it costs so little because of preproduction. They mapped every shot and stuck to the plan. Other movies sometimes add stuff in post or change designs/scenes which can drive up the cost significantly

[@tonyOn1ce]

​@@mcwornex2123yup...those star wars movies cost so much because they have no idea what kind of movie they want to make. They make changes all over and dont follow an actual plan.

[@jeremiahprows2494]

Yeah I saw that one and was stunned. I thought easily 230 mil.

[@hagridstan]

@@fixo5132 , in fairness it does visually look incredible. A better example would be Justice League or Dial of Destiny.

[@aykayzx3152]

who else here is so down bad for Dune content that theyre watching a shapiro video for the first time lmaoo

[@RailwayScholar]

😂 Are you a medium?

[@danielbraun360]

X2

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

I used to watch Ben when I was an angry preteen. Once I grew up, I didn’t find the rage bait appealing, but I definitely had to see if he thought Dune was communist propaganda. 😂

[@RoB-yy9rj]

@@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli I was waiting for "Dune is WOKE!!!!" very surprised that it didn't come

[@KytexEdits]

@@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli Honestly, I'm the same - I was kind of a fence sitter c.a 2015-18, then I matured and actually did my research, for me though I find it valuable to watch people with opinions I strongly disagree with every now and then because I want to make sure my own beliefs are correct and air-tight.

[@kbakerde]

The fact that Villanueve was able to make this for 190 mil should embarrass Disney with their budgets. Stunning.

[@spacedinosaur8733]

Add Gozilla Minus One to that lesson that Hollywood needs to re-learn.

[@whateverreally1347]

Not really. If you understand the business of movies that is. People think budget = CGI budget for the final cut. The actual CGI cost of what’s on the screen in this movie is probably similar or even bigger than a lot of action blockbusters. The difference is : A) A-list actors took a paycut to be in this, while most blockbusters have to pay the A-listers insane amounts B) Villeneuve has been working on this for long that he effectively storyboarded the final cut with barely any additional footage, so all the budget is on the screen, while most big blockbusters like this are written, produced, reshot and released in a cycle of 2 years so there’s plenty of stuff that’s shot, potentially even has VFX started to work on it, only to be left on the cutting room floor. Which still costs almost as much but doesn’t end up in the movie.

[@FnD4212]

Come on, the rest of budget goes to Israel. The movie isn't cost that much.

[@MertSu66]

Disney does those tarded budget for TAX REASONS AHEM

[@MrCountrycuz]

Japan already embarrassed Hollywood with their Godzilla -1 film that cost 12 million dollars and blew the critics the fuck away!

[@balancedfordaylight1]

Paul is described as an underweight skinny boy in the book, so the casting makes sense

[@KeyholeDweller]

And he can actually pull off the intimidating look, unlike the guy from the Star Wars sequels, who comes off as a kid having a temper tantrum 🤣 Also, I made a review on this movie too... and i'm trying to survive the algorithm, so if you've got time consider checking it out.

[@jacksparrow9227]

Underweight skinny boi

[@sertank735]

He starts out as small for his age, true, but he grows up to be a lithe and intimidating force. Little Timmy makes a shit grown-up Paul.

[@redharrison894]

Bill Clinton's son

[@jacksparrow9227]

@@sertank735 Nah, he's great, maybe should recast and do a time-skip then for Messiah

[@AJ-dt3pz]

Actually, the battle being quick is the way it happens in the book, because Herbert focused on how planning and scheming wins the battle beforehand. This was very true to the book.

[@ingiford175]

All that scheming and planning is glossed over (at best) in the movie, and if you did not have pre-knowledge from the book or previous versions of the show/movie, you might not know why a few things happened and why it was important.

[@chimichangacharles]

The movie briefly addresses how much the emperor underestimated the power of the Fremen. Perhaps not enough but it’s there

[@googleislame]

Also, by that time, Paul was fully able to see all time and space and see every single possibility. So he fully knew 100% how to plan the attack for maximum efficiency and success. (I did not read the book, and was able to figure this out from just what was in the movie.)

[@samuelmorkbednarzkepler]

@@googleislameYeah, I dont know why nobody caught this. The Emperor isnt predicting an all knowing messiah to be there. At best he expects a kid playing guerilla warfare in the desert. He's most worried about the drama that Paul can cause for him if he talks to the other houses. He's not expecting Paul himself to be a direct threat to him - leading an army of millions with an arsenal of nukes, worms and precognition of all possible futures. Like, godnamn. How could that not be easy pickings for Paul with all those OP stats and nobody expecting it to boot. He has literally set up the perfect path for himself

[@Tyler_W]

​@@ingiford175 not super bothered by it. Considering your leader is basically playing poker with the knowledge of everyone else's hands because of his near omniscience, there was no way he could have lost unless he zigged when he should've zagged.

[@koroba01]

Actually the fact that Timothy is skinny fits with the book. Gaius Helen Mohaim mentions to Jessica that he is small for his age and after Paul’s assimilation with the Fremen he takes on the desiccated look of the Fremen, losing most of his water-fatness.

[@koroba01]

Darn spell check…

[@creinicke1000]

Lol.. I cant tell you how many times spell check messes me up, and dont me started about Self driving cars and how gps takes us over clifs.

[@CELESTEisdead]

Losing water doesn't make you skinny but lean

[@SavingHistory]

It’s been a long time since I read the books, but I thought the same thing. He was small in stature, which I always thought very interesting juxtaposed against the sheer magnitude of power he ends up becoming.

[@TokenTupperware]

His acting and presence is more important than his stature honestly. The costume design was exquisite too. He was brilliant in The King so I knew he'd do well as Paul. I think Timothee killed it

[@ivanpuentes711]

props to javier bardem for carrying almost the entire thematic of spiritual and religious influence on his shoulders. him as high priest of the lisan al gaib is one of the most underrated pieces of acting i have ever seen in my life. also works as comedic relief and alongside with gurney make this yingyang father figure for paul that helps him cope with the dead of duke leto. "as it was written"

[@planeguy95]

Yeah he was fantastic in the film - he’s a brilliant actor, underrated imo

[@Haven6419]

@@planeguy95Waaaaaaaaaay too underrated imo as well

[@cameronwhite6825]

He also looked like he was having an absolute blast

[@MrBadApple999]

He was actually my favorite part. Such a sad character. Goes from being a friend to a blind and insane worshipper. The ending is tragic and the score with it is amazing.

[@houserhouse]

The more times I see it, the more Stilgar's role stops being funny and starts being sad. Hate to see a person of good values become a fanatic towards someone who ultimately wants to exploit them

[@offpiste312]

I agree Chalamet is skinny…, but, if you read the book you are reminded he is still 16-18 years old at this point in the story. He was 14 when they moved to Arrakis - his power isn’t his might it’s his patience and ability to be in the moment in the book. It’s a real treasure of a message.😊

[@CrniWuk]

The movie doesn't really explain it well, but as far as the book goes, once Paul "awakened" he pretty much became a super-human being. Less than a god, more than a human was the describtion if I remember correctly. His training, his reflexes, his genetic herritage due to the Bene Geseret. It all made sure that he pretty much can't be beaten once he drank the Water of Life.

[@307cavalier5]

Jessica tells Gaius Helen Mohíam that the "Atreides are known to get their growth late"

[@aumelb]

​@CrniWuk it's not the training and reflexes per se. It's the ability to accurately predict every move the opponent is going to make ar any given moment.

[@CrniWuk]

@@aumelb As far as the book goes though? Paul had top notch training. Not only due to the training from Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck. Pauls father made sure that Paul was also trained as a "Mentat" and his mother trained him also how to use the voice and the fighting of the Bene Gesseret. Even before Paul drank the Water of Life awakening his full potential, he was already a very skilled being. Not necessarily the best fighter in the Galaxy. But still extremely capable. And even more so a great tactician.

[@sundynightlive]

Exactly! I can’t see the Desert Mouse as a bulky beast. They are little, stealthy, and fast.

[@gregorriese9438]

Hans Zimmer’s soundtrack also deserves a mention. Stunning.

[@ericsaunders7141]

Is it better than part 1? Because part 1 was trash. Wanted to gouge out my ears half the movie because of the screaming woman.

[@MLTAKOS]

@@ericsaunders7141 your tiktok brain just doesn’t get art and its ok and the OST is mostly the same as part 1 without much of the “screaming woman”

[@nate9198]

@@ericsaunders7141 That sounds like a very individual opinion, not a sound judgement of the score. The score was epic for both parts.

[@ericsaunders7141]

@@nate9198 of course its my individual opinion. What other kind of opinion is there?

[@ericsaunders7141]

@@MLTAKOS never used tiktok, but thank you for reply. Less screaming woman is awesome. When sound that is suppose to support and compliment the movie makes your ears bleed, jars you out of the experience, and dominates dialog so you can barely hear what they are saying... thats trash.

[@josephkavanagh7665]

Paul is 19-20 years old when he becomes Emperor. Timothy Chamelet gives the first ever book-accurate representation of the character.

[@jatin1695]

I like how some Dune fans are like , Chalamet must be re-cast for Dune Messiah since it's going to be 12 years in the future, but Chalamet's already 9 years older than the character lmao. Zendaya is too, Florence Pugh too, everyone lol

[@masonhancock5350]

Lol Kynes has entered the chat

[@ghostapostle7225]

​@@jatin1695 Just put some make up and the rest is up to the acting.

[@jr2904]

​@@masonhancock5350 keep crying about it, the character was hardly in the book

[@arrowslinger2460]

@@masonhancock5350film Kynes was awesome man

[@k____b]

In the actual books, Paul Atreides is a skinny teenage boy. That is why Chalamet was casted for the role.

[@liamphibia]

And he played the part phenomenally. I mean whenever he yells, you *feel* it.

[@patrickbarnett8828]

I can’t imagine anyone else playing Paul talk about getting the casting right

[@jessicamessica2271]

​@@liamphibia he played it ok. This movie kinda sucked compared to the actual book

[@theorangeman302]

@@jessicamessica2271bro defo watched dune 1984

[@BelleWhittington]

In the books, Paul is skinny and wiery. Tim fits the part perfectly.

[@promit3s]

I loved how in part 2 he walked with power everytime and spoke with power, he emboddied the word leader to the T.

[@mr.afrikaans1747]

“Tim” LOL like you know him.

[@TheOlympia75]

weird comment@@mr.afrikaans1747

[@micejoint132]

@@mr.afrikaans1747 🤓

[@ThegamerofdeathHD]

As it was written

[@cartergiesking9673]

You’re forgetting the line where Josh Brolin’s character comes back and talk about how much damage paul was able to do with only 200 people. They couldn’t take down the Harkonnen’s early on because they quite simply had no where near enough man power. They needed to gather the other fremen to the cause

[@Zachary_Setzer]

Yeah, big miss there obviously. Also, the Fremen military superiority demonstrated in the overthrow of the Harkonnens is a mere preface to what happens next when they dominate the galaxy.

[@thomasboehringer9751]

Yep, especially when they mention that the south has millions of Fremen, and is where the majority of fundamentalist believers of Lisan el-Gaib are and the majority of the Fremen population are. Also it would be reason to believe that the Emperor and Harkonnen don't have their entire military forces on the planet as they have home worlds.

[@WELLbethere]

That and Paul literally sees the future, they are so successful because he is leading them.

[@KuntryBlumpkin528]

​@@thomasboehringer9751I don't believe they mentioned whether or not this happened in the movie but in the book The Emperor brought pretty much the entire Sardaukar Force, reserves included

[@KonaLife]

@@KuntryBlumpkin528 they do mention that in part two. There’s a brief scene where one Fremen tells another after looking through his binoculars at the emperors army, “he brought his entire army.”

[@irongollem]

During this film I felt pride, i felt disgust, i felt hope and I felt success. All emotions that, through acting, music and portrayal made me feel part of this movie. It has been long since I felt this way during a movie.

[@mariosilva-th4ge]

loved the movie and Zendaya is an awesome actress

[@ericlassin953]

Could not agree more and I'm usually very unkind to Hollywood. 10/10.

[@proudguy]

Most recent movies just produce disgust.🤣

[@mikebrand4717]

This is the best movie I've ever seen.

[@happymaskedguy1943]

Did you fist pump the air

[@Kraziken0]

Dune has given me hope that Hollywood still knows how to make a Blockbuster

[@RobbKeayes]

Denis Villeneuve know how to make a blockbuster, despite Hollywood

[@jason-vv6kv]

Hollywood? Villeneuve embodies hollywood? dream on. movies these good will be few.

[@ilqar887]

And it was made by a french canadian guy not american

[@kranx2690]

It's honestly the best thing iv seen for a while. Im gonna make the heroic effort to read the books at this point. It's honestly set the bar so high for me idk if I'll be able to see anything else coming out soon. Movies haven't peaked like this for a while tbh

[@thegoldenboah3343]

stop lying or go get a brain , its a trash movie with trash plot and good visuals and sound

[@Spiderstan727]

I just realized that Paul’s practice fight with Gurney echoed Paul’s fight with Feyd Rautha. Paul killed Feyd the way Gurney gets Paul off guard in pt 1.

[@marcinmcula99]

Captain obvious

[@CharlesWhitmore-fm7tp]

So much different from the book.

[@Puma5]

„resulted in Paul‘s fight with Feyd-Rautha“

[@HugoStiglitz88]

Shit thats sick. I didn't notice that but you're right

[@Uhtred-the-bold]

I didn’t think about that til now too!

[@PhoenixRiseinFlame]

To fix the plot hole that Ben mentions. When Paul becomes the Kwisatz Haderach, he can see all possible futures. This means that he could literally see what exact plan would have the path to least resistance to him and the Fremen’s victory. It makes sense and really isn’t a plot hole.

[@laertesindeed]

Except Ben is also talking about the Fremen guerilla tactics "before" Paul takes the spice agony. It very much was too easy in the film...... compared to the novel. In the novel, they had so many setbacks and the death of Paul's son and various things, that Paul was frustrated at his lack of ability to see futures. And in the novel "that" is the time when he decided to go through the spice agony.

[@joshuak5798]

@@laertesindeednow tell me how you would fit this in a sub 3 hour movie Denis did a phenomenal job choosing the right parts

[@platowannabe]

​@@joshuak5798it was done in the Sci-fi mini series.. still I am happy they skipped it. The loss of the one sietch is a big loss and good enough to undergo the trial.

[@stephenunderwood398]

That’s a good point!

[@MBPJason]

Well in the movie the show that Paul knows how the Harkoeen are, mainly Raba. He is using that knowledge and tactics to win but when Fade shows up and takes over it all goes to shit. So there was an excellent give and take that showed with the knowledge Paul and the Fremen were like a sandstorm, you fear it and can do nothing about as it engulfs you, until Fade showed up and cleared it all out

[@byucatch22]

Their final battle was facilitated by discovering the nukes, which they used to take down the walls that kept the sand worms at bay. But also, the greater plan was the emperor's throne, not just wiping out the Harkonens. And lastly, Paul was resisting all-out war until finally he saw no other way. In the book, the death of his son is what pushes him over the edge.

[@TheApsodist]

Paul had a son?

[@McMuffinV2]

@@TheApsodist Yes, with Chani. In the book, the spacing guild is also much bigger of a faction and the spice is more of a factor. Spice is SO important in the Dune universe, and Paul with the Fremen stopped Spice production, and was waiting for the Emperor to come to Arrakis to make his play. My only complaint with this movie is that the made the spacing guild irrelevant, and you dont get the same feeling of how crucial control of spice is.

[@danielsmithiv1279]

@@TheApsodist Yes, Paul's son dies. Also, Paul's sister was born way before the emperor invaded the planet. And they take his little sister hostage. However, his little sister was intense as she was terrifying the emperor and the Reverand Mother with her wild telepathy antics and sorcerous mind games. Paul's sister was so cool, almost like a...Ryuk from Death Note.

[@danielsmithiv1279]

@@McMuffinV2 Don't forget Paul's little sister who came out the womb and was making the Reverand Mother look like a fool.

[@byucatch22]

@@TheApsodist in the book, the events that occur in Part 2 take place over the course of 3-4 years while the movie shortens it to about 8 months (Jessica is still pregnant). In the book, Alia, Paul's sister is born and is about 3 yrs old when the emperor takes her captive which facilitates the final showdown between Paul and the emperor. Paul and Chani have a son and when the son is assassinated, Paul goes full Kwisatz Haderach to get revenge.

[@juliant]

Timothee's transformation after drinking the water of life was terryfing to watch.

[@zeeochance]

It was portrayed much better in David Lynch's interpretation but it's still done extremely well here.

[@scottwebb4722]

see, sci-fi can be good when Mickey Mouse has no control over it.

[@fixo5132]

With half the budget too !

[@marcinmcula99]

The Ben Shapiro fanbase has the thought capacity of "disney - bad, no disney - good". Why am I even writing this? It's gonna end up in me arguing with adults that have the mentality of 10 year olds again

[@Alejandro-fr9jc]

⁠@@marcinmcula99well they did butcher the Star Wars franchise

[@marcinmcula99]

@@Alejandro-fr9jc another npc

[@jaweel6205]

@@marcinmcula99bro if you actually enjoy modern Disney movies, you’re the NPC. Go read a book on philosophy or watch a real piece of cinema like Dune Part II. I know you love The Last Jedi and Black Panther, because you’re the 10 year old mentally; that was socially programmed to be a cuck.

[@stevea1985]

I am 75 years old , and the last time that my mind was blown by a movie was when I saw the original Star Wars in the 70's. Dune : Part Two is much more intense

[@TheJaYSolo]

Before Dune 2, for me i think it was Tron Legacy and before that i think it was the first Matrix movie...and then we go back and i agree with you on Star Wars all the way!!!!

[@avinigotwm6128]

thank you

[@chopwood2995]

I feel so, so grateful we both grew up in an era when major movies were rare and special…..an event. I remember waiting in long line with my parents and siblings to get in at the only theatre to see Star Wars at in Denver. I remember sitting in my seat mesmerized with chills over the epic soundtrack and visuals. A feeling I was wonderfully able to repeat for my kids with Harry Potter even though movies no longer rare but just the anticipation that only heightens and lengthens enjoyment. Thank you film Industry!!!!!!!!!! Going to see Dune 2 today and excited. Get to share it with my adult son and that is a gift!!!!!!!

[@TwoPixelz]

You obviously never saw Interstellar in theaters then. Interstellar > Dune 1+2 combined

[@KonaLife]

@@TwoPixelzLOLZ. Interstellar was a great movie and still is, but it’s no Dune.

[@Dularr]

How easy the empire fell is a key plot point. As stated, the Bene Gessert have spent 1,000s of years controlling the ruling class. Keeping them weak and easy to manipulate. When the Bene Gessert run into a group where their conditioning backfires, the empire falls.

[@Sorayaclark1271]

Very well said

[@search4wisdom]

Yes, and a large part of that is the tribes of Arrakis were never able to join together until now. I'm surprised so many people missed that the situation has never been this way before.

[@aszechy]

It may be possible to explain this within the lore, but the fact remains that as the final battle scene of an epic two part movie it just feels anticlimactic because it's too easily won. Fully agree with Ben, that was my main gripe too.

[@Sorayaclark1271]

@@aszechy I would have liked to see more of the worms destroying stuff. Unfortunately I think it being criminally underfunded had a lot to do with it

[@Sorayaclark1271]

@@aszechy For the budget they had I'm amazed they made such a fantastic film and it's one of my all time favorites now

[@nja4999]

Denis Villeneuve is a genius. He made a film about multiethnic Islamic space communists, where women hold all the real power and managed to convince Ben Shapiro that it’s the greatest film of all time.

[@Peridactyloptrix]

Also a movie about a brutal culture with regular fights to the death that Ben somehow thinks is pro life

[@chrxs61632]

It’s quite simple, don’t make the males incompetent bafoons.

[@athanatos4011]

With the main white guy slowly becoming a villain by the end of it.

[@goldxahn5247]

​@@athanatos4011also with the white guy assimilating into a arabic culture 😂

[@BichaeldeAngelo]

But that's the genius of Dune- instead of modern films with similar viewpoints which engage in a ton of "this character is perfect because they're diverse" and "this character is bad because they aren't" you can actually see how each character became who they are. You understand the immense forces shaping these people- Paul knows his destiny is to become the villain but he doesn't want to...he weeps at the thought and it is Chani who sways him, even though he knows he is becoming a person she could never love and she knows the death it will unleash. People aren't perfect because they're in a multiethnic Islamic society, they also have some terrible customs and are easily swayed by superstition in many cases. Still (and this is something modern films miss) THEY ARE NOT MONOLITHIC. The Harkonnens have a much more brutal, fascist society but they're emphasis on strength is far more understandable when you see how people interact within the confines of that culture. People in one group have different views, something a modern filmmaker would never think to include.

[@jkbrwn]

They didn't wipe out the Harkonnen earlier because the entire spacing guild, along with all the houses, would come down on the Fremin so hard it would be like suicide. The solution was that Paul could sit on the throne, as emperor, and make their victory last throughout the galaxy. Also, the Fremin tribes were not unified. They were resisting but not offensively attacking. Not until Maud'dib began pushing his way through the Northern territories with his Fedaykin.

[@bigdreams5554]

Exactly. Plans within plans within plans. On both sides. It's all about strategy in the book

[@gavstar2238]

The strategy was get the Emperor and other houses to agree with Paul's ascension, BUT their ground attack plan needed the Nukes to destroy the west mountain ridge line to allow the sand worms into the mountain base. And, the Fremen needed the sand-storm for air cover, else there fighters would have gotten wiped out with air power.

[@Jrdn357]

And the only reason the great houses didn't crush the fremen and all opposing forces was not because Paul ascended to Emperor, they rejected him. They only backed off because Paul had all the leverage in threatening to obliterate the spice fields with his family Atomics, which would cripple space travel and leave everyone fucked.

[@purefoldnz3070]

and also family atomics.

[@bloodaonadeline8346]

@@Jrdn357is it destroy the spice fields with atomics in the book or was it causing a death cycle with the worms to destroy spice production?

[@__Krystal__]

Denis Villeneuve is officially now my favorite director, along with Christopher Nolan 💜

[@RinjarinCODM]

Same. Top two favorite directors ever!

[@Ooochild]

I agree. I also have a spot for Joseph Kosinski as well

[@RinjarinCODM]

@@Ooochild Tarintinos too

[@TheMediaTable]

He has been one of my favorite Film Directors since Dune: Part One. He is officially in my top 15 directors of all time along with Antoine Fuqua, John Singleton, Francis Ford Coppola, the late Sam Peckinpah, Client Eastwood, Mel Gibson, Akira Kurosawa, Vien Hoa Binh, Ridley Scott, the late Tony Scott, Martin Scorsese, Zack Snyder, Edward Zwick, and Chris Columbus.

[@empyrean-jamelgreaves8034]

@@RinjarinCODM Tarantino has never been close to this level buddy. I LOVE the guy and at certain times and in certain moods, I would prefer some of his titles to these 2. But come on man, Nolan and Villeneuve are in a league of their own!!

[@shaultzur8646]

Emperor: "I need more spices... or more cowbell. Either one of them is fine by me."

[@robertdouble559]

When I read that in his voice, "Spices" really jumped out, like when he gets all high pitched, like he's mid hiccup.

[@Greeko_Poloz]

@@robertdouble559 I did the same damn thing. 😂

[@HiDesert004]

Watching Christopher Walken restrain himself from being Christopher Walken was quite impressive!

[@thomasarnoldcoe6527]

The Emperor has a fever with one cure

[@jessejames8900]

"Can your mother sew?"..."POW!!" "Get her to sew that!"

[@dg8589]

The reason the last fight was so easy was because Paul had the ability to see the best future outcomes and choose from them, by planning the fight and his actions accordingly.

[@yoda9256]

that’s not how it works

[@jacobroe3653]

Actually (at least in the books) no, it was an actual risk he took. He can only see possible futures, not necessarily exactly as they happen (Duncan Idaho survived in his visions, for example) and he occasionally has "blind spots" essentially meaning he cannot predict any of what's to come, with this fight being one such event

[@dg8589]

@@jacobroe3653 so its not perfect "divinity" but explains a huge advantage.

[@yoda9256]

@@dg8589 no he had no advantage in the fight even with prescience, besides the fact he’s a superior fighter.

[@dg8589]

@@yoda9256 in the general attack some foresight would give him a general advantage. Its just basic logic. Maybe blow for blow he cant see stuff coming, but his general strat going in was influenced by advantage.

[@jdeeee044]

Dune will definitely be the Lord-of-the-rings-esque classical film of this generation. It will be finally decided when Dune 3 comes out.

[@Psalm144verse1]

First movie was not good but part 2 was awesome

[@R41D3RNAT10N]

@@Psalm144verse11st movie was great, 2nd was excellent. Without the 1st you wouldn’t have the 2nd. It’s crazy how people don’t understand plot building.

[@scrapanimation3813]

​@@Psalm144verse1 The first one was amazing

[@luca_salerno]

​@@Psalm144verse1 Dune was easily as good as Dune part Two

[@AveChristusRex789]

@@Psalm144verse1it was good. Not as good as part 2, but that’s mostly because it was just setting up part 2

[@joelsommers]

Loving all the comments about DUNE 2 [edit: ...DUNE *PART* 2...] and how it shames the film industry into just generally doing better. One quote I loved and that I so far haven't seen repeated in this comments section is from when Denis Villeneuve was in very early negotiations with movie studio executives for him to direct DUNE. It was on the topic of using sound stages and green screens versus shooting on location at exotic sites around the world. Denis apparently told the executives, "They did not shoot JAWS in a swimming pool. And I will not shoot DUNE in a sandbox." THAT'S an artist standing up for their art.

[@GokouZWAR]

“Dune 2” this is not the second book, it’s part 2 of the book dune. Dune part 1 was the first half or so of the book. That’s why they call it dune part 2. Not dune 2. Dune 2 will take place in their third movie if it’s made.

[@joelsommers]

@@GokouZWAR Thanks. I don't actually think I implied that the movie I referenced was based on the second book of Frank Herbert's six, which is called DUNE MESSIAH (technically, there is no novel called either DUNE 1 or DUNE 2, just DUNE and then DUNE MESSIAH). But I guess your clarification might be helpful to some. So thank you for it. :)

[@csillag132]

Big part of the film was filmed in Budapest!

[@annaburns2865]

@@GokouZWARactually the third movie (if it’s made) will be Dune part 3. They still haven’t finished the first book. They have to wait 2 years for Aliah to literally be a 2 year old. The way it was done in 1984 was weird, but it was also rushed. The best thing about Dune parts 1,2,and 3, is that nothing will be rushed. If anything it’s drawn out. Which is what separates it from be 1984 film, while also allowing it to tie up lose ends.

[@ajhil5653]

​@@GokouZWARyou seem like you're probably a lot of fun to be around! Thank God for people like you, and your not at all trivial corrections on other people's KZbin comments. I abase myself before the emperor of Dune knowledge...

[@Logosguy-fv1bj]

I may know the book too well. But just a couple lore corrections: 1. Kwisatz haderach is not the same as Lisan al Giab. KH is a male at the end of the Bene Gesserit breeding program who can bring humanity through an impending anniliation (golden path). The Lisan al Giab is the Messianic figure planted by the BG within the Fremen. 2. Paul Atreides was actually casted pretty well by Chaleme, he was described as small in the books.

[@titohauszler]

Lisan al Gaib is the interpretation of the Kwisatz in the misionera protectiva, wich serves for sister to find allies but also serves for when the KH arrives all the indoctrinated welcome him as a savior facilitating his rule.

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

​@@titohauszlerExactly, plus the KH is meant to allow the BG to access the genetic memory of the male line. The whole idea was that the BG would rule through the KH.

[@robertbusek30]

I just started rereading the novel. I think the reference is that Atreides men grow later in their adolescence.

[@bradthebard8824]

A yes, the telepathic fetus born with all the memories of the former mothers is a very pro life message 😂😂😂

[@catherinetheegreat8742]

also the fact that jessica was willing to possibly kill her child by drinking the water of life.....

[@notaraven]

I am sad they didn't go with the book, the baby is born around the middle of the book and is fully sentient. Like talking in perfect English and scaring the absolute crap out of the populist. I mean it would probably be silly to see on screen but still.

[@mateoqueen7834]

@@catherinetheegreat8742she didn’t know it was poison for one as well as the fact that she started to resist until the reverend mother used the voice to force her to drink the water of life. Watch the movie again.

[@ballsagl3955]

@@mateoqueen7834 i mean, she's a bene gesserit. she had to have known

[@flamesphere3144]

​. Literally she is told drink this and you die

[@Tommy1977777]

I was surprised at how Denis decided to end part 2. Truly talented.

[@daviru02]

Totally! I could have watched another two and a half hours easy

[@alfonskuchlbacher7350]

You mean angry Chani storming off? Thats so not Frank Herbert.

[@andrewyp6724]

I read the book because I couldn't wait that long for the part2 (didn't read Dune Messiah yet). And it actually surprised me how it ended. It should've been the closure of one arc, yet, the movie left with a cliffhanger for part3. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

[@Tommy1977777]

Yeah there was a great deal that the director changed. It's going to make future endeavors more difficult.

[@matthewernat7466]

Yeah that last scene was confusing and a little disappointing. I just hope that it won’t drastically change the third movie

[@Samfan4Films777]

When you think about it, Paul makes the choice that Anakin Skywalker couldn't make

[@Jeff-tt7wj]

Can you elaborate? I think they’re both pretty close parallels. They both chose the easier path and left the harder path to their sons.

[@randomhandle23]

Spoiler alert but Paul didn’t make the choice. You will see in dune messiah. Paul’s destiny transcends time and humanity, and he simply couldn’t make the choice to fulfill the destiny. Eventually, someone would pick up the reins and complete his terrible purpose

[@briantanner5478]

Herbert is on record stating he considered a lawsuit upon the release of ANH in '77 due to the similarities.

[@davidmilisock5200]

@@randomhandle23 Correct, Paul's son Leto chooses the Golden Path.

[@arunkandiyil3962]

​@@randomhandle23Leto II is probably my favourite character in the entire series

[@EEVictory13]

Paul knew that if he “accepted” the role of Lisan Al-gahib that it would be an easy fight. He knew how easily his fremen would take over the entire galaxy; he knew death would follow him. He didn’t want that until he had no choice.

[@micahlarimer155]

Why would one group of people have such an easy time taking over the entire galaxy? I really don't understand the power that a few million people could have over billions (hundreds of billions?) in an entire galaxy. I am 100% with ben that I just don't get why they are so powerful. At the end of the day technology would be king, and how can you innovate technology in an environment that demands so much of your time and attention to just basic survival.

[@fixo5132]

@@micahlarimer155 I think the harsh environement is what make fremens so strong. The harkonens are described in the movies as people who take alot of chemical (for pleasure ? for sustainance ?) probably not good for them at the end of the day. The Sardaukar should have been a bit more of a threat I agree. Now don't forget that seing all possible future is kind of an overpowered ability, so that's why he won so easily.

[@VVopal]

@@micahlarimer155 It's explained in the book, the Fremen have what the Sardaukar have, the harshest of worlds. I think the book essentially states that the harshest of worlds make the strongest of fighters and the Fremen demonstrated that they are even stronger than the Sardaukar, which frightened every single house into submission. Duncan in the first movie also touches upon this "when you cross blades with a Sardaukar you know" and also when mentioning the Fremen "I have never been so close to death." They also control Arrakis and therefor all Spice Production, the great houses are literally unable to travel across the galaxy in the same way that the Atreides and the Fremen can. The spacing guild is cucked, the great houses are cucked it's massively favoured towards the Fremen. Also when you have the ability to see literally everything, every plan, every counter measure it become essentially impossible to strategize against Paul he has the ultimate cheatcode. In essence Paul has every advantage over the others, including numbers since he will be able to transport more soldiers to the front lines than any other force would. Better fighters, more manoeuvrability, more fighters, strategy and wealth. In terms of the final battle, he essentially out manoeuvred them massively, the "Grandmother of all storms" coming in. Paul saw the exact best way to win, and followed that path. It had everything, surprise, flanks, military might every response that the Harkonnen's and the Emperor had Paul saw it and countered.

[@boooziee6851]

The spice basically makes them stronger faster than most people on top of the Fremen being the besr fighters in the galaxy. Even further, heavily driven by faith. They are willing to do 1v20 whereas a sardukar would retreat. Faith. Spice. Skill.​@micahlarimer155

[@baahcusegamer4530]

@@micahlarimer155that is correct and is one of the points of the Dune universe: they stagnated in their tech. Also, the Fremen simply have better training/equipment/tactics than the rest of the galaxy. Think of them as Mongol Hordes. Although, of course, the analogy has its weaknesses. The Mongols won quite literally in part because they could drink milk and thus take their supply line everywhere in the form of goats.

[@Nocturnal85]

One thing to point out is that the Fremen and Paul attacking and not just taking a war to the Emperor is part of a bigger picture. Paul is trying to lure in the Emperor to come and deal with the problem himself and by doing so Paul will have him where he wants him. So it's more calculated than it appears to be. As well as a poetic way of getting back at the Emperor by setting him up similar to how he setup his father Leto. Love the books and Denis is doing the right thing by stretching this story out over multiple movies because it deserves it.

[@Driblus]

And still he leaves tons of the important stuff out as well as making major changes to the plot - some being pretty weird. Still love the movie - but its not as fateful to the books as I wanted it to be. Its more faithful to the message of the book than the book itself.

[@Missy756]

The challenge to making dune was the thought process of the characters. I think technology has finally reach a time that they can do the books proud.

[@christophervanasse9911]

Hans Zimmer also produced some of his finest and detailed work yet, and that's saying something. The final theme as the movie closes is beyond epic and beautiful.

[@ethankillion786]

The worm ride scenes were absolutely incredible. This whole movie was just stunning. I also would do whatever Florence Pugh told me to do.

[@seancamacho4273]

I second that big time lol

[@shadowbandit3975]

The only part that I didn't like about all the worm rides is that they never showed them getting off. I was most interested in that.

[@Jay-bt3wo]

​@shadowbandit3975 wait for Part 3 for that. You'll be amazed by what's to come!

[@theeggtimertictic1136]

I also couldn't understand how Paul stayed so clean shaven ... How did he find time to shave!? ​@@shadowbandit3975

[@elijahalbiston]

@@Jay-bt3wooh Fr? I wondered about how they got off the worms as well

[@BjorenJoberen]

To Ben’s question about why the Fremen forces had such fighting capabilities 1) they didn’t have the Atreities arsenal 2) even more crucial of a point: the Fremen were divided. At least half of Fremen forces were simply waiting for the messiah to come that they were in hiding or not ready to expose themselves. It takes the fulfillment of the “prophecy “ in Paul to unify the Fremen forces in belief and fervor to rise up against their oppressors.

[@1neOfN0ne]

The reason why they didn't fight the battle before is they didn't have Paul's family's fire power. Not until Gurney showed him where all the family's entire collection of missiles and shit were, were they able to take on the Emperor and his army.

[@peaceplayinsumgames]

why didn't the Atreides use the nukes when the Harkonnens attacked in the first place?

[@gorbshal2598]

@@peaceplayinsumgames It was an ambush. It happened too fast for them to strike. Also, they would have been nuking themselves since they were being attacked.

[@peaceplayinsumgames]

true. i understand now@@gorbshal2598

[@matthewgraf9449]

Last battle made easy with atomic weapons, simple when they took down the shield

[@unagisteve]

Because the use of nuclear weapons would be cause for planetary obliteration as per the articles of the Lansdsraad and the Imperium. Ironically, all the Great Houses are not supposed to have them: but they do. Since the point of Paul's strategy is to control the spice is to threaten it with destruction. No one wants to destroy Dune because the spice enables the current technology to fold space...so they aren't going to destroy Dune when Paul uses the family atomics. That is in the books and not very well explained in the movie beyond, no one is supposed to have them, but... From the movie's perspective, how do you use a nuke when the enemy is on your position without also killing yourselves? Second, using nukes will disrupt spice production, which would give the Imperium and the Lansdraad a legitimate reason to stomp you. Third, irradiating the planet will cause the death of worms, which will lower the creation of spice (worms make the spice that is used for folding space), which again, gives the Imperium and the Lansdraad a reason to attack your house. @@peaceplayinsumgames

[@TLSingleton1962]

Actually, as a former prison guard I can tell you that SOME skinny guys are deceptively unimpressive until you tie up with them in a fight. If the tendon attachment is a little further away from the joint you are able to generate more force than you might appear to be capable of. (I think I said that correctly.) The migration of the muscle attachments away from the joints while the joints expanded in size and strength themselves is part of the source of the great strength of the Pak Protector in Larry Niven's Known Space collection of books

[@fracyoulongtime8123]

You are very correct! Some of the most fierce fighters that I hung with when I was younger were all skinny lanky dudes! Especially if they were tall!! I had many skinny tall friends and they never backed down from a fight!

[@tclass99]

Agreed. I think Paul’s speed and cunning are also what make him such a formidable fighter. His frame fits his character. Even fits the Fremen name that he chose for himself… Muad’dib… the desert mouse.

[@Peridactyloptrix]

It’s funny to me that a lot of the people defending Paul as a warrior are the same people who would complain about a woman beating a man in a movie fight…

[@SuperHtownswag]

Hence Deontay wilder

[@SeanMendicino-n3d]

My Brother is this way. He has bulked up since then, but he was deadlifting 405 at 165 pounds.

[@ozmatoast3129]

This is better than star wars hands down. Now that I have read the book and seen both parts of the movie, it is abundantly clear that everything good about star wars is credited to this book. It is common knowledge that frank herbert inspired George lucas. The politics, the force, the "chosen one who would bring balance", its all Dune

[@emperormouse5487]

Better than the movies? 100% without a doubt. But better as a universe? No. There's a reason Star Wars is the most popular franchise of all time...we unfortunately just haven't seen anyone create something worthy of it's potential.

[@zzygyy]

It's great for older audiences. Star Wars has always been for kids.

[@Jeff-tt7wj]

Yup! When I read Dune for the first time I was in disbelief at how many concepts were pulled right from it.

[@SunriseArtsCinema11]

@@emperormouse5487thank you. SW achieved a cultural phenomenon with long last rewatchability. will we be quoting dune in 15 -20 years?

[@allthingsnerd.4484]

@@SunriseArtsCinema11I and many others have been quoting Dune since at least 1984 (when I saw the Lynch movie and then read the books). Dune is not some obscure thing no one has heard of until 2021.🤣

[@LookAtThatBrick]

Comment section is confused so I’ll clarify. Paul only needed to get the northern tribe of arrakis to believe he is “the one”. The southern people are religious fanatics who supported him from the get go. Paul wanted nothing to do with leading because he saw the destruction & death he would bring across the galaxy not just arrakis. He did not want to take advantage of the Fremen. Then he had to go south. Drank the water of life. And quite literally saw every possible timeline and chose the best one. That timeline led to the deaths of 61 billion people. At this point he’s a computer after the water of life nothing is chance it’s all calculated in his mind. He’s arguably not even Paul Atreides after drinking the water of life. And half the movie is him doing his best to avoid becoming the kwisach haderach, because he knows what will happen and what he’ll do and what he’ll lose. Also the battle is so easy because, again, he can literally see the future and pick the best outcome. I’m not sure how the audience missed the glaringly obvious piece of the movie that if he drinks the water of life he’s quite literally “a mind that transcends time and space”

[@evannunsince9357]

I missed it. Spent the last half of the movie real confused. I don't remember him seeing visions after the water of life so his complete 180 really threw me for a loop.

[@notaraven]

Mild spoilers: In book 2 Paul realizes that not all futures are represented in his future sight. Its a little confusing but from what i gathered the act of him seeing the future sets him on a path of possibilities. He also indicates that maybe the spice is piloting everything.

[@rtwas]

"your father was a weak man..." I can't imagine anyone delivering those lines any better than CW.

[@Piratequeen010156]

I didn't understand why he said that when the movie opens with the princess saying that her father feared the Atreides and by extension the Duke.

[@rtwas]

@@Piratequeen010156 Not sure where you saw that (having reviewed the opening of dune p2). In any case, the whole story line had at its core the plot of the emperor to extinguish house Atreides because the Atreides were gaining favor with the other houses. As far as why he said bad things about Duke Leto to Paul..IMO that was a typical *in your face* kind of move many humans engage in. No doubt the emperor thought he was a dead man either way.

[@Bkprw]

@@Piratequeen010156 feared his popularity, but he really admired him and knew to keep his house strong he needed to destroy their house. It would have been ideal to have his daughter promised to Paul from the start but he probably knew that would antagonize the Harkonnens and didn’t want to be on their bad side (supposedly their house was wealthier than the emperor’s). The heartbreaking part was you could tell that Paul and his mother silently acknowledged that statement without denying it.

[@rbdono2]

I can honestly imagine about 50 actors delivering that line better than Walken. Having him cast as the emperor was literally my only complaint about the whole film.

[@danceboyish]

He feared him because of what he represents. He had Honor and empathy politicians consider that a weakness ​@@Piratequeen010156

[@amidala3927]

Paul isn't just seeing visions of the future. He's seeing all possible future paths and HE is choosing which one for The Golden Path. It will eventually lead to universal peace, but only through Paul leading to current war, death, and his own destruction. He is an amazing fighter, even though he is described as small in the book, because his mind training allows him to read his opponent and react quickly and occasionally see glimpses of their imminent moves.

[@ad9aggie]

Paul deliberately didn't take the Golden Path because he was afraid of it. His son wasn't and took the Golden Path as described in Children of Dune and God: Emperor of Dune.

[@carbon273]

So he’s Eren Yeager?🤔

[@cn2673]

@@carbon273kind of except unlike eren Paul has a son who finishes his mission instead of him fully finishing it himself

[@matt38191]

Not universal peace. Nothing in the books has anything to do with universal peace, he is following the golden path, they way to avoid kralizec, to ensure that humanity endures forever. Paul failed, he refused to do what was required in the end. Leto II did, and he was a tyrant and a monster for it.

[@bajscast]

@@carbon273 More like the opposite

[@SomeoneSomewhereMusic]

I feel blockbuster movies are making such a good comeback. Avatar 2, Top Gun Maverick, Oppenheimer, now Dune 2. Good storytelling, beautiful production mixing cinematography, visuals, music, sound design, special effects with CGI. I'm happy about this.

[@EasyHunii]

Avatar 2 was shit

[@kevchuck]

how dare you compare way of water to Dune 2

[@SomeoneSomewhereMusic]

@@kevchuck I'm not comparing shit. I'm saying we're getting good movies once a year.

[@TheSulross]

there are not nearly enough good films making actual profits, the theaters are still hurting - the films that do make very good profits relative to the cost of making said films, are not being made by Hollyweird studios.

[@chrismalik1579]

​@EasyHunii that's your opinion most would disagree... everyone has different tastes and every movie effects everyone differently

[@Sorayaclark1271]

“There are so many layers: a coming-of-age story, critiques of colonialism and capitalism, a philosophy of nature as a religion, a love story, a Shakespearean court drama, planetary ecology, and a warning about the savior complex.” ~Denis Villeneuve on Dune Real war doesn't look like the movies. It isn't tens of thousands dying from NYC being nuked, it's tens of millions dying from the Colorado River being nuked. Saying that Dune will "wake up hallywood" is an insult. Denis Villeneuve wanted to wake up all of us.

[@s66s46]

​@contextualexpansion9914Im not reading all that

[@SneetchDreams]

⁠@contextualexpansion9914I have no idea what that last part about cycles of power is supposed to mean. But organized religion is likely the thing that first led to agricultural and religious ceremonial centers becoming societies. Religion came way before society as we define it. Second you underestimate the average intelligence of individuals and over estimate the intelligence humans as a whole. What I mean by that is that, the average human is generally capable of the same exact rational thought and comparative complex thinking on the same level as any other human. What you’re thinking about is man’s lost ability to communicate and understand the original language of symbol and mythos. The issue with modern societies people isn’t one of intelligence or substance, because most humans live lives of substance, but one of under exposure. This is what I mean when I say you over estimate human intelligence as a whole. We are simply not wired to think or comprehend beyond our own narrow focus and small spheres and are incapable of doing so without years of training and exposure to foreign cultures and experiences. Ego centrism is the start of empathy and that is why it is natural, without ego centrism there is no such thing as theme because grandiosity is the only thing that moves humanity forward. Humanity can’t lose a skill it never had, nobody is born with that skill, skills like species only survive when relevant. And myth and story are still absorbed by the subconscious which is why movies are still successful. That’s all the proof you need that those skills are not dead, just uncommunicative.

[@ProfessionalRacist007]

Dune is the single greatest example in modern cinema as to what all you can achieve if you make a movie that's not woke & centered around appeasing a certain group. What all you can achieve with great writing & passionate filmmaking

[@ethandalton6480]

This film is woke BTW

[@laertesindeed]

@@MaraschinoMary1 Woke "is" undeniably bad..... irrefutably and absolutely and objectively so. Whether you complain about it shows more about your political ideology than anything else.

[@SsbPrime]

Brain rot conservatives mention being woke more than the actual woke

[@therealdeal3837]

@@ethandalton6480what is your definition of woke? Mine is: Woke - An aggressive push for diversity, equity, and inclusion that is usually based on the belief that outcomes which lack these things are indicative of discrimination and/or unfair social treatment.

[@TheJaYSolo]

its hilarious that you kids let billionaires tell you what the definition of "woke" is. It literally means "NOT ASLEEP" because you're totally aware of something. For example: All of us that believed in Aliens decades ago were always considered WOKE but now you kids think that's a bad word because of the dumb ass right and their stupid agendas to brainwash you into thinking "woke" is a liberal leaning idealogy when all it really means is that your eyes are OPEN fully and you're NOT blinded by nonsense.. but go ahead and keep thinking WOKE is a bad thing as you literally ignore the very definition of what WOKE means even though you know exactly what it has always been

[@gabzsy4924]

Seriously? Ben saw the weird baby in the womb talking to the mother scenes and thought to himself about pro life? That's crazy 😂

[@Peridactyloptrix]

No, he didn’t. But he’s got to keep that grift going somehow…

[@smallman911]

Blokes a clown with zero media literacy

[@itsatr1p]

I don't see how being against baby murder is a grift😂 ​@@Peridactyloptrix

[@Peridactyloptrix]

@@itsatr1p there is no such thing as a person who is pro baby murder

[@EyronAVP]

​@@itsatr1pFetuses are not babies 😂😂

[@Lvetto]

I think Timothee as Paul was well cast. He’s supposed to be a very skilled young boy, maybe 18 to 20, and he’s not precisely a soldier, so he wouldn’t be very jacked. He’s just well trained in fighting and he’s supposed to be more skilled than strong.

[@BOBBOBBOBBOBBOBBOB69]

Yea he is very lean, almost boy like. In the book the Baron fantasizes about his nubile body.

[@ryancooper3629]

tbh I think Dune is miles from being the LOTR of this generation. LOTR was magic because not only was it an incredible cinematic achievement but it was also amazing because it did such great job of being so hopeful while also having a cast of characters that the audience instantly fell in love with. It established a setting and a people living in that sitting that audiences connected with and became invested in. It was appealing to a wide variety of audiences and Jackson did a great job of keeping the adventure flowing for every minute of it with tremendously impactful climaxes that had audiences absolutely enthralled. In contrast, Dune doesn't really have any magnetic characters that the audience will instantly love or sympathize with and its extremely slow paced which will bore the vast majority of audiences. It completely fails to establish why I should ever care about the people, setting, or even the planet. The movie didn't need to be almost 3h, they spent forever building up to a climax that was seemed trivial as Ben alludes to. The CGI is good, some of the best ever, but the color grading sometimes feels like IG filters. And don't even get me started on the damn blue eyes thing... I get that the eyes are supposed to be blue in the lore but all they did was mask out the eyes in every frame a layer a blue gradient map over it which was absurdly distracting because catchlights and reflections in the eye also were blue which wouldn't be the case in real life. Also I couldn't get over how they specifically masked out Feyd's mouth and made it darker so you couldn't see his teeth or tongue or inside of his mouth whenever he opened it, it was such a weird creative choice and makes no sense. Maybe less noticeable in SDR but I watched in HDR and it looked ridiculous. Overall I feel both Dune movies are mediocre at best and there is no way we will be talking about them 20 years from now as a gold standard in epic storytelling the way we talk about the LOTR trilogy. Also not sure what Ben was saying about Dune 3 having a delay "like" Return of the King had. For LOTR they were released in 2001, 2002, and 2003 with no delays at all. A 3-4 year delay until Dune 3 is brutal for the momentum of the franchise. Its also worth noting that neither movie dominated at the box office the way a film of this scale is expected to. Dune 1 did $400 million, and Dune 2 did about $700 million. Lots of money for sure but when you consider that those numbers don't even get them close to breaking the top 50 grossing films of all time it kinda shows that the franchise is struggling to build mainstream interest. (Consider that garbage like Aquaman, Captain Marvel, The Hobbit, Jurrasic Park: Fallen Kingdom, etc all made a lot more money)

[@Peridactyloptrix]

The mistake you’ve made is in assuming every story has the same goal. None of the characters in the Dune books are particularly likeable, that’s not the point of the story

[@ryancooper3629]

@@Peridactyloptrix Which means it never will match something like lord of the rings. If the audience doesn’t care about the characters then the appeal falls dramatically. Not every character has to be loveable but if an audience doesn’t have any reason to care about any character at all it is much more difficult to connect with the story. This is also why House of the Dragon is struggling to generate the same momentum that Game of Thrones had.

[@Peridactyloptrix]

@@ryancooper3629 it’s not meant to match Lord Of The Rings. It isn’t trying to achieve the same thing at all. And I think a huge part of the reason House Of Dragons is struggling comes down to the fact that people remember how badly bungled the ending of Game Of Thrones was and don’t want to get burned again

[@ryancooper3629]

@@Peridactyloptrix Except for a lot of people, including Ben are describing it as the LOTR of this generation. Thats my point, its not. Dune is not going to go down in history of this tremendously impactful thing that shaped culture. It appeals to a relatively narrow audience and its mostly overstretched in terms of story per minute of film. It tells a somewhat compelling story but it lacks any ingredients of the sort of film that shakes the culture which is why it won’t. I think you are right to a point about people being sour of the the GoT name in general, but HoD still is miles from having the appeal of the original series for a lot of reasons. I loved GoT but didn’t like HoD at all. (which doesn’t surprise me because the same is true of the book it is based upon which reads more like an encyclopedia than a novel)

[@Peridactyloptrix]

@@ryancooper3629 the thing about Dune is that it already had a huge impact on culture. Have you heard of Star Wars? The Matrix? Many of the most famous modern day sci-fi stories take inspiration from the Dune saga

[@emperormouse5487]

Denis Villeneuve & Christopher Nolan are easily the two best directors working right now. The scope and scale of their movies are unmatched. I'd personally give the visual edge to Villenueve and the thematic edge to Christopher Nolan- but they both make incredibly transformative films. However, my one critique with both of these directors is that their movies can feel a little cold. Less humor and emotion than typical Hollywood blockbusters (which is not necessarily a bad thing) but sometimes makes you crave a rewatch less. And my review for Dune Part 1 & 2 as a whole is a solid 9.5/10. Dune will go down as one of the best franchises of all time if they keep this level of quality and finish the trilogy strong. Can't wait for Part 3: Dune Messiah.

[@Jang9851]

You are completely bang on. Mind you I do contest that Nolan's movies are emotionally cold SOMETIMES, the strongest thematic stories of his elicit the most emotional undertones for characters: Dark Knight, Inception, Interstellar, Oppenheimer. (Inception and Oppenheimer is very hybrid) Then more experiential riveting event cinema but still lukewarm towards emotional heft: Tenet, Prestige, TDKR, Dunkirk Now with Villeneuve, like nolan and im gonna emphasize this point later he also pushes cinema as an "experiential" event and that may or may not contain emotional heft in the movie. His visual style is beautiful very expansive, but I find it very aesthetic leaning and less "visual storytelling" which would behoove him to improve temperature of the emotional investment audiences would have for his characters or themes. Both Blade Runner 2049 and Dune Part 1 did this where the plot was there and it was beautiful to look at but i didnt care about the characters, dune a little bit more but theres something about the writing that you can tell it was buildup but the death Leto and attack on House Atreides felt extremely cold more like plot just playing through. Prisoners is the one movie where you feel the emotion and a big primary driver for that is extremely simple and effective premise of child abduction. BIG CAVEAT: Villeneuve didn't write this movie and it hands down has more emotional heft than any of his other movies including Dune. My concluding note is this; both Nolan and Villeneuve seem to have critical acclaim for warping the storytelling approach to elicit feelings of awe, grandeur or excitement, but their films may not be emotional; right now i still consider this a weak point but it seems its artistic community doesn't think so.

[@fixo5132]

I personally prefer the "cold" approach. Humour is so forced in other movies that it end up sucking. I really don't like comedies and find them cringe. I think cinema is at is best when you are fully immersed and nothing is hindering your immersion. At least in Sci-fi.

[@enjyn09]

I much prefer cold. I'm still on a mirth overload from the superhero genre.

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

Dennis also had pretty emotional ones to like prisoners, and that middle eastern story one.​@@Jang9851

[@Jang9851]

See I can't do cold. Because the cold approach is temporary once the emotions by text definition meaning triggered by stimuli in terms of a movie and Dune in this case its grandeur, excitement, and awe based on visuals and sci fi nature and technology, but when it comes to characters the emotional stimulus is cold very lukewarm its just plot. Those aforementioned emotions tend to fade on repeat viewings unless you feel them to really strong degrees but you need sophisticated human characters and writing for emotions to be deep for it to immersive long term.

[@carynfisher9463]

The ease of the last battle is the point. Paul was resisting going to the south of Arrakis because he knew that if he did, he would become the leader of a MASSIVE and powerful army of fanatics and it would be the opening gambit in a galaxy-spanning holy war. He knew that the Lansdraad, the Emperor, and most of all the Harkonnens drastically underestimate both the number of Fremen on Arrakis and how capable they are. He knows that the only reason the Fremen haven't taken back Arrakis yet is because of the divide between the Northern and Southern tribes. He knows that divide between them exists because the Southern tribes are decidedly more religiously motivated than the Northern tribes. As someone else commented, the Northerners have been resisting, but not actively pushing the offensive, but *even that* resistance has been a cause for concern to the Harkonnens. Meanwhile, the Southern tribes have been doing little to nothing more than waiting for the Lisan al'Gaib before they will act. They are just as fiercely capable as the Northern tribes, but they haven't joined the fight at all. Yet. Paul knew that, if he went south, he not only *could* win the opening gambit of the war, he *would* win, but it would mean that the holy war would then become unstoppable, which is why he hesitates for so long. He ends up being pushed into making that choice by the actions of the Harkonnens and the Emperor, and once he does, the holy war that he forsesaw begins.

[@eli243lg4]

What I liked about Dune how complex Paul is; he's not a hero, he's an antihero and no one notices it. He manipulated the Fremen, lied to the woman he loved and knowing people would die he still became the fake messiah everyone expected. Not only that but I'm convinced the Kwisatz Haderach was a lengend and story that was put in the mind of people by the Bene Gesserit (with their powers), so when they needed to control politics they could; in fact I would argue half of the movie was a fight for control between Jessica (who wanted Paul in the throne because she might be the only one who can control him) and Gaius (who considered she could only control Feyd). Despite all of this, you only have to look at Paul's motivation to understand he's an anti-hero: revenge.

[@luzifer960]

He is not Anti-Hero. He is a villain. That's the entire message of the Dune franchise. And yeah: the Kwisatz Haderach is a fabrication of the Bene Gesserit. No shit Sherlock 😄

[@eli243lg4]

​@@luzifer960I still see people saying Paul is a hero. That's why I explained it. I don't think he's exactly a villain though, since I don't think the Harkonnen would've been better as rulers, and argubly neither the Emperor. As for individual characters, the only one I could think of as honorable that we know and is still alive in the movies is Chani (in the books as far as I know she doesn't stand her ground and defends her values as much). So there are really not a lot of better choices to rule than Paul (for now). That doesn't make him a hero but the best candidate if you had to choose between the options given. Villians tend to be the 'bad guys' in a story, while anti-heroes are more complex and grey. I think Paul falls more in the second category for now (specially because a lot of his rage and pain is relatable and understandable, even if what he does with it is evil). I'll give you an example: Voldemort is a villain, Snape is an anti heroe.

[@darthdavid2275]

I like how Paul was not really into leading, and then after he drank the juice he stood up in front of all the fremen and was like “No one can take me” then against the emperor, “I killed your greatest warrior and I’ll have your daughter too!” Like damn dude way to make a move to rule the whole galaxy lol, definitely great character development and a rise to power story, I loved it

[@PHDWhom]

The story is a warning though. The armies of Muad-Dib kill billions, if not trillions of living beings. The legacy of Paul's Jihad is one of blood, terror, and slavery. This is a warning against following charismatic leaders.

[@EdGeLV]

This is the part I didn't like 😅 It's like the juice just killed one character we have known for 1.5 movies and brought back a living calculator

[@darthdavid2275]

@@EdGeLV I understand your point but that character you loved was ignorant and didn’t know much about anything, the juice gave him all the knowledge and then he realized how important this whole thing is, it’s like your in the middle of a friendly pick up game and halfway through you learn there’s a 1M cash prize if you win, you’d change too lol 😂

[@EdGeLV]

@@darthdavid2275 ye but I thought that the point of movie is that he will escape his destiny in his own clever/reckless or whatever way and become stronger but he just drank juice and did everything in a straight-forward "supposed" way. Maybe I just mislead myself by thinking the movie would be more about politics and clever tricks

[@Tsukaidevile]

⁠@@EdGeLVIn a sort of way this is what the second book ends up being about, it’s dark tonally, but in terms of politics and tricks and such Dune Messiah is totally all about that. If the Third part adapts it well you might enjoy that. Also the character of Paul before he drank the water of life is still there, it’s subtle as it’ll be explored in a third movie but that last line the character delivers in the film you can see the agony inside of him, he still has humanity and that’s why the path he’s been forced into horrifies him so much, but he knows the alternatives are worse, that’s why he’s so dedicated to it. You can see he’s still there too when he talks one on one with Chani, it’s just that he can’t be that same person to the Fremen and Imperium and still survive, it’s his only method of survival and he hates that it is. There’s a lot of turmoil and self reflection inside Paul Atreides after the events of Dune Part Two. Can’t recommend the books enough, hopefully we get to see Dune Messiah adapted into Dune Part Three

[@anyoneanyone28]

Sounds like Ben has never massively over leveled a character and easily destroyed the final boss before

[@dnbjedi]

….Denis didn’t compromise the movie for new viewers. It’s a 50 year old book. Read it. I’m so glad that he didn’t water it down. Nolan and Villanueve are carrying the torch.

[@pierrebeausoleil5885]

HIS NAME IS FRENCH NOT SPANISH VILLE---CITY NEUVE --NEW VILLENEUVE

[@lestrada1351]

I disagree a little on this comment. The changes made to Chani's character were for modern audience. In the book, she was completely on Paul's side and as a fremen, everything was for the good of the tribe. In the movie, she got mad at him and they essentially broke up at the end. It's the only change I am mad at

[@poisonapleproduction]

@@lestrada1351same that irritated me

[@dez7800]

@@lestrada1351 If I recall correctly, I think he said that he did that as a setup for the next movie... Not sure though and either way, we'll see in a few years!

[@purpledragons1146]

​@@dez7800Paul and Chani are happily together by the beginning of the second book. Irulan is wife in name only.

[@ashleighedwards3575]

Ben it’s not always about the weaponry. In the book they keep reiterating that the spice must flow. Every planet every culture every humanoid creature either runs on or is addicted to spice( it’s in all things food, medicine mentats Bene Gesserite the navigators all) The spice can only b produced by the worms on Arrakis. Paul literally holds the one resource no one can live without( spice withdrawal equals death, no space travel no mentats, no navigators ect.)in the palm of his hands. He controls the production and distribution( he takes this control slowly but surely). He could literally destroy all of it. So just killing Paul is not going to work. Also Paul chooses the “Golden” path meaning he has to do X, Y and zed to achieve the outcomes that will lead to this path. Also doing what he did achieves many birds with one stone. He has all his opponents in one place(which took some time being that they are scattered across galaxies). It was more about politics than just winning a war with the side benefit of killing Baron Harkonnen(which Alia has to do to set up for a later possession that occurs in children of dune). Again to serve a Golden path Paul will have to give up the life of his first son victor, his wife(eventually down the line),start a Jihadi to spread his kingdom across galaxies, denounce his kingdom and he will have to denounce himself and his family as a ruling class( after building it up). All to spread people of different scientific backgrounds and beliefs across galaxies to start developing a universal think tank against what essentially turns out to be the same AI that had once before took over earth 1000’s yrs before Arrakis existed. Prequels to Dune mostly revolve around man vs machine, man turning into machine(Agamemnon was an evil Atreides that removed his brain and put it in a machine enslaving mankind who were overly reliant on machines). To counteract the AI humans made certain technologies illegal and started to evolve humans into biological weapons, thinking machines, incubators that can control what diseases u can eradicate or what children u will give birth to(using spice that increases a self conscious that gives u more control over ur body chemistry, movement and enhancing it making them super human). Paul saw every move his opponents were going to make he and those he trained could move with super human strength, deadly accuracy and were trained better than the emperors elites( he and his kingdom were becoming too soft and reliant on one resource). He used worms(weapons worked as well on Godzilla as they did on the naturally armored plated worms)which was the resource they so conveyed(can’t salt the very earth u wish to produce on). The spice itself was explosive when concentrated in certain areas. How well do guns and missiles work against something that can swallow u whole. Also Paul had home advantage. The emperor had limited water, wasn’t prepared for the severe sandstorms and Paul was sitting on the only resource that kept everyone from death. The emperor’s empire was held up by the very people that believed in the prophecy about Paul and were afraid of Paul( doesn’t Paul say fear is the mind killer?)which is on shaky foundation.

[@MeggaMann_theBlueLion]

The books

[@avinigotwm6128]

the film have all that I assure you. I never read the book and yet all is known.

[@Dextronaut1]

please use paragraphs! it's so hard to read massive amounts of text without them. interesting read tho

[@avinigotwm6128]

get a life @@Dextronaut1

[@Dextronaut1]

@avinigotwm6128 excuse me?? Why you gotta be so rude? Nothing better to do than sit around saying 'get a life' to random people?

[@DavidSmith-ip6tk]

Just watched this in the IMAX...Bass blew my ears off!

[@BelAir00]

My understanding is that the Fremen don't understand how to attack the Harkenon until Paul taught them their vulnerability.

[@johnstevens1575]

Paul had been trained by some the best thinkers in the known universe, according to the book. His instructors included a Mentat-Master of Assassins, the last Swordmaster of Ginaz, one of the foremost Suk Doctors, a religious Warrior Poet, a Bene Gesserit mother, and a very proud and capable Politic Leader father. He was trained to command and lead his family and an entire planet while in a feud and vendetta/war of assassins (Art of Kanly) with the Harkonnens. He was not a weak, indecisive character in the books.

[@zuuemudz]

Yeah, with his lvl of knowledge Harkenon never had a chance

[@davidlea-smith4747]

From memory, Paul in the book was a small, skinny guy

[@TrueBagPipeRock]

that's right. a teenage kid in the first. Maybe in his 20s here. Plus, he's a pre-cog. Look at the boxers, the runners, soccer players, all super skinny, especially in world cup. Gotta be able to move. Shoot, look at James Stewart, the airman. Skinny.

[@SigmaQuotesForRealSigmas]

Did Ben really not notice the MILES OF ANTI-CAPITALIST SUBTEXT hidden within the movie?

[@Peridactyloptrix]

If Ben acknowledged any of the subtext of the movie, he would have to acknowledge how woke it is and that would go against his agenda

[@glennpupino4890]

Part 2 went full Jihad

[@jakerowley4485]

This man will be the oldest on earth if he keeps it up, this is truly amazing. I would love to sit and listen to him talk if he would be willing to share, for hours. Generations and generations of knowledge

[@Peridactyloptrix]

He’s a grifter

[@BOBSMITH-z5o]

If memory serves, the reason that the final battle was so easy in the books was that Paul used rather out-of-the-box strategies that nobody from a noble/imperial house could ever see coming. For instance, I think I remember he deliberately used the laser technology against the shield technology (which was never done because of the violent explosion that would result. The other two big factors were that the Fremen had never fought as a unified force before and the Harkonnens had no idea how big the worms got or that the Fremen could control them so well. I haven't seen either movie yet (though now I probably will) so my comment is entirely based on the books. Btw Ben, I don't know if you have read all of the books but I think you might find it interesting to know that towards the very end of the story (after humanity has scattered and returned and vast amounts of time have passed), that a certain group emerges from the shadows having survived in secret since mankind first left Earth - spoiler alert, it's the Jews. I'm not Jewish myself but that reveal kinda gave me chills the first time I read it, awesome plot-twist.

[@gottman861]

Well his series is inspired by the Middle East makes since even in this set up.

[@bobbyfischer9927]

Why are you commenting on a MOVIE review if you haven’t seen the MOVIE?!?!?!? Geeez you’re the problem. You have zero opinion and the people who actually liked this comment are just as gone as you

[@bradmenpes809]

I think Chalamet is perfect as Muad'Dib, the desert mouse. When Stilgar is giving Paul his secret Fremen name - Usul, the strength of the base of the pillar - and Paul is asked what everyday name he would like to be known by, Paul chooses Muad'Dib in an ironic moment of self-reflection ... he is small, wiry and slim. And the Fremen laugh! They get it. And then Stilgar turns the name into something the Lisan al Gaib would choose because the desert mouse is resourceful, has hidden strength, and is humble. Chalamet really is the perfect actor to portray Paul Atreides. Messiah's, after all, can come in all shapes and sizes.

[@mollybros]

When the credits appeared my first thought was: Wow, this is the best sci fi movie ever.

[@jakesummer8148]

Paul is literally 15 in the book and is described as "small for his age"

[@manuelmontiel123]

Idk if y’all read the books but I cannot get over the fact that they changed Chani’s character from the book so much. And the whole dynamics between her and Paul and Jessica is also very different and unexpected. Especially the way he “betrays” Chani… there is no betrayal in the book as she is absolutely devoted to him.

[@therebelofchaos1674]

I'm glad someone said it. They used her as a mouthpiece to push the movie's message of being distrustful of messianic/charismatic leaders, but it's a message that is glaringly apparent if you watch the movie, and didn't need to be explained or voiced by her. Now, because they chose to write this way, it boxes in/forces them to change a lot of shit regarding Dune Messiah. Since now he and Chani are estranged, does this mean we don't get Leto II or Ghanima now? Are the movies simply going to end with Paul giving himself over to the sandworms, and what, the universe goes back to the way it was and all that change was for nothing? There was a much greater purpose for Paul doing that, and it was for Leto II to become the new Kwisatz Haderach and finish what his father started, which was to get humanity to rebel against a tyrant and spread out across the galaxy to avoid threats that could easily destroy all of humanity/preserve the human race. All of that shit is potentially tossed out the window now, because of that one choice to rewrite Chani in this way. I don't mind it in the vacuum of just this film, but if you read the novels and understand where the plot goes in Messiah and beyond, this is a narrative blunder.

[@gilliangonzalez1305]

Yes, thank you. It really marred my opinion of the movie. I kept rolling my eyes because they completely changed her character. And lady Jessica… I just don’t understand the point. But of course you can’t have a modern movie without the girl bossification of all the female characters. Which is weird because some of the most powerful people in Fremon society were the women, particularly the religious leaders

[@kev3d]

A movie can change the book, that's inevitable. But I hate it when the movie contradicts itself. Chani explains to Paul "we are equal, men and women" not only relating to gender but to position as well. But this clearly isn't true. There IS strict hierarchy within the Fremen and women hold the powerful priesthood. I also hated Chani's mouthy friend.

[@Snowkone81]

I think it became “easy” when he unified the Freman along with being in their home planet using the power of the desert. If not for that they wouldn’t have decimated the Emperor so easy.

[@gekkehenkie0001]

That... And the atomics blowing up the wall and the false sense of security of the Harkonnen and the foresight of Paul

[@scotlandtheinsane3359]

That's because of it being the sole location of the spice, of course. Otherwise, the Emperor would have simply blown it to smithereens..

[@gandalfthewhite.5245]

They made timmothy look so intimidating regardless of being one of the skinniest men this world has ever seen. (Naturally)

[@richardhoward3713]

Dune part two was an absolute masterpiece in my opinion.

[@apocalypsepow]

been waiting 3 years for this!!!

[@Volper1]

So, I literally just walked out of Dune part 2, it’s phenomenal. See it, see it in theaters. See it in IMAX if you can, it is worth it just for the visuals and the sound design. That said…I don’t like how it ended. I’m a book purest and I just don’t like what they did to Chani.

[@xiaobaozha]

Denis V. Talks about this aspect and it makes sense. It goes back to Herbert’s disappointment that when people read Dune, too many saw him as a hero, not as the focus of a cautionary tale. That’s what drove Herbert to write Dune Messiah.

[@Volper1]

@@xiaobaozha No I get that but again, I feel like this just undermines the Character of Chani for the sank of current year girl boss BS. Chani is devoted to Paul body and soul and stands by him through everything.

[@xiaobaozha]

@@Volper1 it doesn’t undermine her at all. She was a warrior already before she meets Paul, receiving further training after meeting Paul and her mother. Her reaction at the end is perfectly understandable in the context of what Denis V. was going for in the adaptation.

[@joshual7145]

Yes I agree that it was a natural and more plausible for someone like Chani to react the way she did. The love that they shared in the moment only to be squandered away due to Paul making a more political choice for the sake of asserting a more permanent solution of control to the conflict on Arrakis. Not to mention she’s from the Northern tribes who have great disdain for the prophecies of the fundamentalist tribes of the South. Her belief was in Paul and who he was as a person; not in the prophetic Messiah they pegged him to be. In Chanis POV, I can see how she felt very betrayed by it.

[@golfer435]

​@@joshual7145I don't think she's done associating with Paul though.

[@patrickgardner2204]

I mean. Its alot easier to fight an enemy, when you have nukes, and your commander can see the future.

[@AboGabbal]

To answer your question at 5:50, because the Fremen were fighting as separate villages and as tribes so there was no chance of victory, but Paul Atretes united them as one nation under his leadership. They prepared a plan because he saw the future, and the emperor was not prepared for what would happen, so victory was guaranteed.

[@disconnected22]

Paul Everyone: Lisan al Gaib!!!!

[@thegrunbeld6876]

As it was written

[@valecrassus7835]

@5:14 You have to remember, Walken being involved in Dune somehow was foretold when he did the video for "Weapon of Choice" by Fatboy slim. Don't believe me? Look up the lyrics.

[@jeffjames3111]

Astute comment.

[@benjaminperez7328]

WALK………without rhythm….and you won’t….attract the WORM……….POW.

[@Puma5]

I wonder what exactly people don’t like about Walken‘s performance in this movie?

[@benjaminperez7328]

@@Puma5 Rumor has it……that Chris……just plays himself……..POW.

[@VincenzoInfi]

​@Puma5 he seems too.... himself. Nothing against the man, he's been a legendary actor for so many years, but I feel a Charles Dance or Donald Sutherland would've made a better Emperor. Hell, even a young actor digitally aged would have fit the part slightly better. But what do I know 🤷‍♂️

[@mansd5131]

It’s quite interesting to see that Ben liked the film, despite the fact that Frank Herbert literally was telling a story of Arabs fighting against Europeans. Mahdi is literally a figure of a chosen prophet who will lead Muslims in the Islamic belief. But yeah, I just didn’t expect him to like the film, but nonetheless, the movie was awesome

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

In his mind he probably sees the Freman as Jews, and the Harks as Nazis, or Arabs. I mean he saw some of this film as pro life. 😂

[@mansd5131]

@TheRotbringer 😂😂😂

[@radrobd123]

@@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli it was pro life. They had Lady Jessica talking to her unborn child who was talking baby. That means the baby is alive and sentient in utero

[@kbkilla360]

@@radrobd123You guys are seriously reaching. That's not how it works in real life, you know? I'm pro-life, but that's an absurd conclusion.

[@radrobd123]

@@kbkilla360 obviously, but the movie recognizes that the unborn child is a life, not just a fetus or clump of cells

[@AliceInChains243]

It’s astonishing that Ben can watch the Harkonnens destroy Fremen home after home in this movie and not understand that’s exactly what Israel is doing to Gaza.

[@thegrunbeld6876]

Must keep the flow of the cash

[@The_fallen_hero]

Something something the spice must flow

[@Bae_Dreary]

I learned that the movie was filmed digitally, they applied all of the visual effects and then they transferred it to film to make it all cohesive. One of the reasons the VFX look so grounded and real

[@benjaminvillarreal1499]

If that's true how come every movie doesn't do it that way?? That's so simple and so effective

[@Bae_Dreary]

@@benjaminvillarreal1499 VERY expensive and time consuming to do

[@RaviPatel-lb7uc]

@@benjaminvillarreal1499 Because it's not the whole truth. Sure you could do that with any film, but it'll still look like shit if your underlying effects weren't given the proper time to be worked on by your CGI artists. You could not take the bad CGI from a marvel movie and apply the above technique to make it look actually good, just a bit better. Dune is what happens when a studio trusts a Director to actually get a movie done, and doesn't interfere, and the director is the best living director of the genre.

[@tslehman]

6:00 the third act battle is so easily won because Paul is a male Reverend Mother and the Water of Life allows him to see into the future. Right before the battle he said that he see multiple futures all at once where their enemies prevail but a “narrow path through.” Someone who knows the future, can’t lose.

[@Nico-dt5hu]

a bit ironic that he could see multiple futures and pick whatever path he wants, but he lost control of the war.

[@frankfirek519]

The reason they didn’t attack earlier is not because the didn’t have the weapons but because they didn’t have the numbers. Paul had to take the time to grow his legend so he could get all the fremen to follow him.

[@joangalt6270]

I tell you what. This movie has been done to death and they FINALLY got it right. Oh it's gorgeous. Brilliant. BUT, PLEASE READ THE BOOK.

[@KaizenLegacy]

While I agree that this is probably the best movie this year, it did have a few problems that Ben did not even touch on. First, the compressing of the timeline leaves out a few things. Chani and Paul's first child does not exist, and Alia is not born by the end of the movie. So, what was actually a ~5 year period in the books is compressed to less than 9 months. This has effects on 1) who kills the Baron at the end, 2) Chani and Paul's relationship, and 3) Alia's situation later (if they end up making Children of Dune to follow up). Second, Chani running off into the desert at the end never happens in the book, so it will be interesting to see how they try to recover the storyline from that. Because of the loss of their first child (in the book), Chani is not a reluctant participant in the holy war - she wants to burn it all down. With her being resistant to the idea, it changes how their relationship will progress. Third, they leave out the connection between Chani and Liet-Kynes (her father in the books, so presumably her mother in this adaptation).

[@TheEducator89]

This should be the top comment. While it looked and sounded great, they stripped out so much and made Channi-Sue that the plot hardly makes sense and the motivations are messed up. Paul drinks the Water of Life as a DIRECT RESULT of Leto II getting killed (his son with Chani). The Guild and Guild navigators aren't mentioned so you have no concept of WHY the threat to destroy spice is a good one. AND, nukes?? What happened to the threat to kill the worms with WoL so spice ends? Lazy writing. 6 out of 10 overall.

[@johncastle95]

Guys, it’s a film. You can never adapt that much detail into a cohesive 3 hours. This movie is already long as it is. Denis is trying his best to use the source material as sparingly as possible without sacrificing the telling of the story. A book is a book. It’s a piece of entertainment. A film is a film. This is an adaptation of that story. So he is taking liberties where he can and he cannot. Even if the film did not have Chani have the first child or escape into the desert the premise was just as powerful at the end.

[@KaizenLegacy]

@@johncastle95 I think you are confusing criticism for condemnation. I agree that it is impossible to adapt the book directly to movie with no changes (as is the case with most books - some things just don't work as well on screen as they do on paper). However, when doing a review, it is worth noting the changes and the potential impacts that has on how the story will progress. While Villeneuve tried to stay close to the source material, the changes he made do have some pretty major butterfly effects later on (especially if he ends up making Children of Dune after Dune 3). When you make changes to a character's development (in this case, multiple characters), it changes their motivations (e.g. why Paul decided to take the Water of Life, why Chani was a willing participant in the holy war, why the houses feared Paul eliminating spice, why Alia is haunted by the Baron, why Jessica fears her own daughter, etc.). That can be a problem that is unsolvable (i.e. "The Force Awakens" and "The Last Jedi" put "Rise of Skywalker" into an impossible situation) or it can be a slight divergence that comes back to the story in a logical way ("Harry Potter" did this pretty well). It is too early to tell which this will be, but it is definitely worth noting when doing a review of the movie!

[@michaelneumann4424]

I think the changes work well for the movie. I wouldn’t consider them problems. I also like how he kills the baron and not some little girl

[@golfer435]

​@@KaizenLegacyWirh the condensed nature of the storyline, it makes sense for them to make the changes they did to Chani. There is absolutely still time for them to bring her back into the picture for the set up of Children.

[@Barny5ive]

The reason the Harkonens had so much trouble stems from a pivotal line in Dune 1 where the Baron is recovering from his near-death in the oil bath. I was a bit disappointed they didn't allude to it in Dune 2. He says "You have no idea what it cost me to bring such a force to bare here" The Emperor's 2-fold plan was to financially weaken the Harkonen while destroying the Atreides. The Harkonen did not have the strength to deal with the unexpected Fremen war.

[@kev3d]

I can get behind that, however I found it a little annoying that the Harkonnen are basically completely shocked at how to run Spice production on Arrakis when they had been doing so very successfully for 80 years. The Harkonnen were off Dune for, what, less than a year? And in that time everyone forgot how to deal with the rebel population. I think it was a mistake to show the Fremen in open combat with the Harkonnen in the opening of the first film. Or at least have an explanation that only a small handful of Fremen resist the Harkonnen. But the opposite is implied, that it's been a decades long war and the arrival of the Atreides was a potentially positive change.

[@bradleytarr2482]

All I could think while watching was: "Dances with Worms." I loved it.

[@stevem2323]

Nice catch.

[@raymonddiaz3783]

How ironic that in Dune all the thinking machines are banned and here we have a freakin' robot reviewing the film.

[@Peridactyloptrix]

He may be a robot, but he definitely doesn’t do much thinking

[@lithium23]

The Freman did not attempt to take over the planet before because everyone in the South was waiting for a prophecy to happen. Chani explains why at the beginning of the movie "you tell them a Messiah will come, then everyone will wait." The Harkonans didn't even know the Freman had a real population.

[@surindersingh724]

“Why didn’t they just do it earlier?” Someone wasn’t paying attention 😂 Here’s a clue, Ben: The Atreides Atomics.

[@b.j.robison2972]

Paul is 15 in the book when it starts & 17 by the end. So Chalamets size makes sense.

[@ilqar887]

The thing is chalamet is 28 …being 28 and looking 15 is not same as being 15

[@d-_-b8558]

I'm honestly floored and completely taken aback that Ben Shapiro has not only seen but also likes Dune. I'm not sure if it's part of his branding that he has to review it, and agree with general critical consensus, or what. But I guess great art can cross political divides.

[@d-_-b8558]

Well, after watching the video, I can see Ben (or whoever wrote this script for him, if he has a writing team) only half-understood the story. So that might be why he likes it despite his political leanings. Still, pretty cool to see this film taking all sides of the political compass by storm.

[@lynco3296]

If this is your honest opinion then you have a rather superficial and ideologically motivated understanding of the world.

[@Shiggystardust]

Master oogway said it best “a man often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it”

[@VictorLiso]

Did he REALLY claim the movie to be pro-life? Jessica doesn't talk to her daughter as a caring mother would . St. Alia of the Knife is pre-born. She gained the memories of all of her female ancestors while still in the womb and gained consciousness.

[@JebHarben]

The blue worm pee basically gave the fetus the mind of an adult so mom is not talking to a childlike fetus, but rather, a young woman with prophetic abilities and awareness of what is going on outside.

[@VictorLiso]

@@JebHarben I read the book three times, I know. I'm just wondering and this guy's amazing ability to circle back down to his grift.

[@Waffle_God49]

Not Ben being amazed that the unborn baby, which consumed the magic prescience potion, in fact was prescient.

[@krystlehope]

the fact that he thinks this is how all embryos are 😆😆

[@mikebibler6556]

I'm formerly an old-school conservative that has chosen to become a liberal, but I still REALLY like Ben Shapiro's respectful presentation style in everything he argues and presents including this movie review. Ben models the kind of intelligent counterpoint that I had hoped would overcome today's racist and antisemitic GOP rhetoric.

[@Peridactyloptrix]

That’s how they get you. By presenting an air of respectability and professionalism while supporting genocide and bigotry

[@rickgrimes7432]

No, their just respectable and professional, unlike you@@Peridactyloptrix

[@kev3d]

" racist and antisemitic GOP rhetoric." Might want to have a word with Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar on that.

[@rickgrimes7432]

@@kev3d uhm? Did you mean to reply to me?

[@MK95066]

As someone who didn't read the books, I think the pace of this movie as a movie was way too fast (especially compared to Part 1). We went from the events in Part 1 taking place over a few days/weeks to Part 2 taking place over months with almost no indication of such. The explanatory dialogues were minimal and it seemed like Paul's moods/outlooks changed too quickly even considering his visions (e.g. "I will NOT GO DOWN SOUTH" to 30 seconds later saying "Ok I'll go south" or "I will do anything except become emperor" to "Ok I'll usurp the throne and ask for the emperor's daughter's hand in marriage").

[@BertyBogTrot]

Agreed!

[@amby8719]

i can see where you’re coming from but throughout the movies it obvious it’s inevitable that paul has to go south. he wants revenge for his father from the beginning, and to do that he has to unite the fremen. but paul is denying this because he doesn’t want to become the messiah. but when he asks jamis for help, he tells him to drink the water of life. it’s just a path he can’t deny anymore. he tells chani, he will do what must be done. and that’s when she finally admits to herself she can’t hold onto him anymore. if they kept in more of him running away, it would’ve been too much. the war was already on the horizon. i do wish that part 2 was on the span of two years like in the book.

[@retired5218]

We watch the journey of Paul not wanting the responsibility of being a Duke and the savior of the universe. He has to undergo the realization that he is The One and must take on the tasks needed and the responsibility, but he only wants to be with Chani.

[@Bonzo1ish]

I understand what your saying, but suggest you read the book, and remember, it comes down to the Director said so! lol, aside from that, he had a vision, he has to go and drink the water of life to see the full picture...that is what made him go south...xxx

[@MK95066]

A couple of you say you understand what I'm saying, but I don't think you really do. I get that Paul was destined to go south and such; all I'm saying was that the way the movie portrayed the speed at which he changed some of his positions was super fast, even considering his visions.

[@Sorayaclark1271]

I hope that Ben Shapiro isn't implying that Paul is the hero of the story. Frank Herbert explicitly warned that Paul is the cautionary tale about blindly following authority. It's a warning against following the savior blindly. If you watch the movie through that lens Chani is the hero of the story for standing up and speaking out, showing that she cares about who the Fremen are, what they stand for, their history and their culture and senses that all that may be in danger if they are essentially turned into the Sardauker which Paul explicitly makes the comparison in the books. And Chani's fears in this movie are proven correct in Dune Messiah where the Fremen rise up against Paul because he is so fundamentally changing the Fremen and the planet into something unrecognizable.

[@krystlehope]

Ben Shapiro absolutely missed the message He also thinks that's how embryos work

[@BlueSpawn]

It didn’t bother you that they changed Chani’s character so that she becomes ultra progressive woke woman who sees reality for what it is and stands against Paul’s schemes? Because she’s the ethnic young female? No? Ok. It bothered me.

[@Sorayaclark1271]

@@BlueSpawn it didn't bother me at all. I liked all the changes Denis made in the story. My favorite change was the Baron. He made Vladimir terrifying rather than a bumbling hedonistic fool like in the books. Chani serves as a mile post for the audience, her role in the story is not to be "woke" her role in the narrative is to show how far the Fremen have fallen. Whether it triggered you or not that is a perfectly valid narrative tool to use.

[@kev3d]

@@Sorayaclark1271 "bumbling hedonistic fool like in the books" What are you talking about? In the book the Baron is so perceptive that he detects an assassination plot made against him by Feyd, and as punishment Feyd is made to personally kill all of his concubines. Yet, the Baron is still impressed with Feyd's ruthlessness and is still proud because of it. That is anything but bumbling.

[@thehalfricanguy]

5:28 - they couldn't have attacked earlier. They needed to draw the Emperor to the planet and they needed to build their army.

[@mantralibre1367]

Gotta be honest. As much as I loved Dune and longed for this second chapter, I was totally disappointed. Everything - carachters to begin with, lacked depth. Is was like watching a bad spot for Sauvage after reading the first chant of the Iliad. That's how bad it was. No epic at all, just a soulless depiction of postmodernity, filled with worthless characters like the emperor and Paul's cousin. Also, Chani's love for Paul is so poorly portraited that we she leaves it felt like a last drop - no more. Chalamet was as great as usual. Top notch acting.