Ben Shapiro’s New Math Equation Proves He’s A Dumb-Ass

Ben Shapiro has devised a mathematical formula to determine how legitimate a government is. Shapiro even provided a visual of the formula on his show while explaining it to the definitely not confused Daily Wire audience.
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[@2445ace]

so that's how he keeps his wife dry!

[@kjrey9878]

I'll never forget hearing his "pleasuring a woman" speech as long as I live!!😆😆😆

[@sempressfi]

Lmfaoooo A+ comment

[@unknown5150variable]

Trying to solve the WAP equation has driven Shabibo insane. Ben + x = WAP

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Dry is an understatement. That woman hasn't pee'd in decades she's so hydrophobic.

[@merbst]

He is an expert at keeping all the p-words dry!

[@cheechwizard6541]

Well, he got one thing right - It does equal L.

[@WhatAboutThemApples]

Using this wonderful formula I calculated that America is a 62

[@potatopotatow]

weird, i got 42

[@rsmonge]

Whew. So, legit. Right?

[@lawrencemckeon6802]

LOL.

[@j0j0dartiste21]

@Buzás András i got 8008132. Kinda rusty since high school calculus tho

[@ubahfly5409]

Hmm still struggling to solve for R here. Equation appears to be missing units of measure or any semblance of reason.

[@danielmikula1375]

So if any of the denominators are zero, the other values could be infinite and the legitimacy would still be a divide by zero error. Maximum legitimacy for having no regulations but infinite violation of rights. Sounds legit.

[@spacefauna9351]

He is a fascist after all.

[@choccolocco]

Not if you follow the order…

[@nealorr5086]

Jesus, there's so much wrong with this. First of all, your assumption that any of the variables would be zero or infinite. Secondly, infinite violation of rights would be infinite in the denominator, which would mean the answer of the equation "approaches" zero, so the legitimacy of the government would "approach zero". Sort of like when Iran murders citizens for not covering their heads in public. Finally, if you didn't fuck up that part, dividing by zero is not infinity, it is "undefined". You receive an F. You got the math wrong. Had you showed your work you would have probably only made the first error. Sadder than that, 18 people liked your comment.

[@contextwithjohnmalone]

Ben Shapiro has reached a pseudo intellectual level of enlightenment that many of us will never achieve or understand. He is so smart now that he has created his own math. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@wet-read]

Well, you can do this sort of thing, just on a much simpler level. For example, a vicious lie would be referred to as "L to the Vth", and written in scientific notation as an L with a much smaller V on its upper right.

[@andrewb4999]

I had no idea one could make fan-fiction out of math equations.

[@DoctorBiobrain]

This is what happens when you solidify your worldview in fourth grade.

[@nealorr5086]

“Anyone who was not a liberal at 20 years of age had no heart, while anyone who was still a liberal at 40 had no head.”

[@DoctorBiobrain]

@@nealorr5086 Dang. I was a conservative when I was twenty and a liberal when I was forty. I guess that means I’m a heartless idiot because Winston Churchill made a joke a long time ago that conservatives only like because it’s an insult and insulting liberals is all they have anymore.

[@nealorr5086]

@@DoctorBiobrain Tell me you still live in your parent's house without saying, "I still live in my parents' house".

[@yatosan3524]

@@DoctorBiobrain It's rarely ever to late to change your views.

[@haitiancreolewithluciano]

Ben trying to figure out how to take an L

[@jacobmcguire106]

Best comment 😂

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Someone needs to tell that helium huffing toddler they sell those at Home Depot.

[@jf1573]

In Ben‘s case: L=mc^2

[@Petticca]

I wish I could show my love for Haitian's comment by giving it more thumbs up. I did a real-life, out-loud chuckle. Well done.

[@nealorr5086]

@@Petticca This was, in fact, the only good comment I've seen. Not technically correct, but it's a solid pun.

[@christopherwright2153]

If I were in a discussion with Ben about this "equation," my very first question about it would be "what is the unit of measurement?"

[@eitanmagaliff9772]

Science been real quiet since the new math dropped.

[@evann5900]

when are the math textbooks updated with bens equation coming out?

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@evann5900 Next fall in Texas.

[@ShaithMaster]

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Required curriculum in TX

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

DeSantis already had his company print up the new "critical race theory free" math books, he's on the phone with the Koch foundation like "why didn't you guys tell me Shapiro had the anti-life equation ready? 🥺"

[@nealorr5086]

@@thepolarphantasm2319 Why is this an "anti-life" equation? Setting aside your and Seder's confusion about what the variables represent, why are Shaprio, and I guess DeSantis, "anti-life"? Or are you arguing that murdering a fetus the day before its expected birth is somehow "pro-life"? Are you talking about COVID policy? When adjusting for age, Florida had the 20th fewest COVID deaths, better than Rhode Island, New Mexico, Michigan etc. You seem to be ignorant any way we look at your statement. Well done. I can see why you enjoy the Seder community.

[@glossypots]

Poor Ben, he’s trying to prove he’s still a clever boy despite so many wrong answers on his exam paper.

[@michael1345]

I think Shapiro demonstrates consistently that he is on the Asperger Spectrum. His speech pattern and toneless voice. His obsession with simple answers for complex socio-political issues. A one sided intelligence best demonstrated by his fictional book "True Allegiance". When he debated Alex O'connor, Ben was like a bright school boy in front of a mature and worldly Professor but both are of a similar age. So, what does that say about Ben's fans?

[@ricardodiazcollado813]

The primes just kill me. Gotta love how the ruley-ness of a government is the derivative of the responsiveness of that government. 😂

[@madaemon]

I love that the brackets/parentheses are totally unnecessary and R-prime and A-prime have nothing to do with R and A. But Ben knows equations sometimes have brackets and primes, so his equation needs to have brackets and primes. Makes it more mathy.

[@nolongerblocked6210]

LOL... more "mathy"... I lol'd way too hard at this

[@nealorr5086]

He probably used the brackets to help himself remember the order of operations.

[@cnvrgnt]

Primes often relate to derivatives (rates of change) as well. Dude doesn’t know the first thing about math lol

[@cnvrgnt]

@@empanada223 Algebra is very useful for calculus but calculus is actually built off of real analysis. It’s a very different field

[@rickor5036]

I was considering, if the "x" stood for some lower precedence operator and not multiplication; but then I remembered, who's talking here 😀

[@spacebaby420OG]

It makes sense to Ben's bleach drinking audience

[@waycam77]

Shapiro proves that you don't need a shred of mathematical aptitude to complete a law degree.

[@elephantman2112]

As a law student, you're right. That's why I did law.

[@piccalillipit9211]

The thing about law degrees that constantly astonishes me is there appear to be no standards. You get full-on genius people with law degrees and then you get people who lack the ability to tie their shoelaces or sit on the toilet the right way...

[@quickdrawmcgraw3567]

@@elephantman2112 Which is braindead, considering mathematics is really good at forcing people to change the way they approach thinking, knowing, and proving things since it is basically the alphabet/language bu which we express logic and reasoning to model our reality

[@elephantman2112]

@@quickdrawmcgraw3567 It's not braindead at all. Mathematics is a hard science because it's incredibly abstract. Law is the opposite, because it concerns actual human beings in real scenarios. There are all sorts of nuances, contradictions, and grey areas. The two disciplines have basically nothing in common, so there's no point teaching mathematics in a law course (or vice versa).

[@Eric-zl1kn]

@@elephantman2112 I disagree. Mathematical thinking used to be pretty hand in hand with law; specifically proofs. For example Abraham Lincoln had the mentality that he couldn't become a lawyer before learning Euclidean proofs. I think math should be taught especially since a JD is a doctorate in jurisprudence which is a branch of philosophy. Philosophy can be communicated mathematically but in law it just isn't anymore... Ben Shapiro best exemplifies this here lol. He wants to be a political economist so bad but didn't establish his lemmas, theorems, or clarify that the model is independent of the real world but meant to model it.

[@SherlockHolmez]

Just by looking at the still image, I am already bothered by the unnecessary parenthesis and brackets.

[@WhatAboutThemApples]

Maybe Elon can use this equation to get his rockets to Mars

[@HeisenbergCertainty]

He could just paint the booster rockets blue and charge the passengers eight dollars per mile.

[@thyrlindberg9310]

@@HeisenbergCertainty or paint them red, if he wants the rocket to go faster

[@trashcatlinol]

So long as he takes Shapiro with him, great. That's how much faith I have in the two of the successfully colonizing Mars.

[@MrJohneblaze822]

I thought Elon was from Mars.

[@baelhok]

Ben made me die a million deaths from second hand embarrassment

[@degui1224]

He actually thinks he is an actual intellectual 😂

[@ShaithMaster]

He's the smartest boy

[@FakingANerve]

He's the cool kids' philosopher! Ask him. He'll tell you... because nobody else will.

[@xvi1128]

This !

[@marymcnabb4982]

A female MTG

[@sterlingfury]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AdamWestish]

Ben. Knows so little. He ends each line. On his teleprompter. As if it were. The end of a sentence. He doesn't. Understand what. Equations are.

[@somniatic]

Geez. I can’t unhear his voice after reading that

[@AdamWestish]

@@somniatic just take a recording. Of the Lollipop Guild. Stop after every few. Words.

[@Petticca]

The only thing one can't quite capture in comment form is his onnoxious, self congratulatory tone. You nailed his bizarre speech pattern though.

[@northernpunx1978]

@@AdamWestish add helium and smirk

[@AdamWestish]

@@Petticca somebody commented that he doesn't know how to read, and that nailed the illusion for me.

[@walt-a-roniprod.5288]

Using his formula, L will always equal 0. No wonder his initials are B.S.

[@terrybullspellr8319]

True. I believe the output of this formula will give answer in units of BS.

[@Shadow-In-The-East]

​@@terrybullspellr8319 The density of the Smug Cloud over Shapiro's studio created by his pseudointellectual pontifications results in *at least* 200 BS/m^3.

[@noel7777noel]

(B + S) × (I + Q × 0) = Ben

[@nealorr5086]

Explain.

[@jasonnadal9721]

I'm going to need you all to show your work.

[@tomgoodwin7134]

Dude read Foundation once and thinks he's Hari Seldon

[@MichaelAronson]

I'm not sure this is a great analogy, but I like that you made it anyway.

[@Discojericho]

@@MichaelAronson Benny Boy inventing Psychohistory to own the libs truly makes this the most cursed timeline.

[@donnievance1942]

@@MichaelAronson Psychohistory-- absolutely!

[@growupjohnny9374]

The most conservative thing I have heard. “Use the government to crack down on your neighbor.”

[@mickpratt8327]

You mean like red flag laws?

[@growupjohnny9374]

@@mickpratt8327 what? No like being a fascist. Red flag laws are not bad.

[@PlanetOfTheApes999]

Shapiro's basically arguing for anarchy. He just doesn't realize it.

[@scambammer6102]

he wouldn't last 2 seconds without the protection of the state

[@pbziegler]

Shapiro thinks talking fast and not letting your eyebrows move is a sign of intelligence. And there is nothing that can cause him to doubt his brilliance.

[@sojournerkarunatruth4406]

The strawman logical fallacy but **really** fast 💨 😮😏👏👏👏👏

[@grimslade0]

BS = (SM * AP^2)/EB Where, SM -> Sigma Male Grindset; AP -> Amphetamines; EB -> Eyebrows per second -- And of course, BS refers to Ben Shapiro; more specifically, how much BS is being pumped out that day. As you can see, the higher the Sigma-grind and Amph, but the lower the eyebrow-p/s, the more BS you end up with 👁️👄👁️ what a wonderful world.

[@cypriano8763]

nailed it.

[@placebojesus5652]

Having a small peepee can have some pernicious effects on one’s psychological well-being

[@placebojesus5652]

In medical terms

[@MosDaft]

It's obvious Ben Shapiro has never taken a high school level algebra class. Crazy.

[@tomservo5007]

in all my years voting, not once did I ask myself, "how can I offend my neighbor?". These people are sick m0fos

[@potatopotatow]

he really told on himself there

[@ufogrindizer5038]

Yeah the projection in uncanny!

[@justagirlsd3000]

Maybe his neighbors hate him for who he is and the hatred he spews? Hence they fk with him😅

[@vxicepickxv]

Human rights are an affront to fascists, and fighting for them offends his neighbors.

[@yvad1517]

if my neighbor was Ben Shapiro, I'd DEFINITY be asking myself that question before voting.

[@karatedeathtower]

He had me at rPRIME. This is real math now obviously. Join us for the dawn of this wondrous new era Seder.

[@wet-read]

It very well could be N to the Mth, that is, nonsense to the power of monstrousness. Scientific notation: N with a much smaller M on its upper right.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

What it shows is that all these "facts over feelings" and "logic bros" care about is the *aesthetics of reason, philosophy and logic* not the actual practice or study. They know that philosophy and formal logic and higher order math has fancy equations and it seems super hard and smart, so they want it too. They want to FEEL as if they are being logical because they FEEL like its superior to their opposition whom they claim are hysterical - projection, of course. Its all performative and a facade, much like everything on the far-right...

[@LinkRocks]

Spot on. Well said.

[@LiftedGamingLoL]

I had never heard the phrase "aesthetic of reason" but this absolutely sums up 95% of these grifter morons so well. They don't care that the actual substance of what they say has little to no meaning as long as it appears intelligent and backed by reason. That is the frustrating part of Jordan Peterson and his proponents I think Well said.

[@nzdoom827]

Yes! Every year I’m amazed at the new ways people like Ben Shapiro find to crap all over the various western-enlightenment-judeo-christian-founding-fathers-etc values they say they’re all about.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

@@LinkRocks Thankyou ^.^

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

@@LiftedGamingLoL Thankyou too! ^.^

[@kreskinkun]

Okay, so maybe Ben's math isn't literally true, but you HAVE to admit it's an excellent metaphor. For, uh. His specific opinions about government, I guess. As long as you've got a bunch of time to kill and don't want to hear anything clever, novel, or applicable in any other situation.

[@scambammer6102]

or true

[@d_dave7200]

As a physicist, this segment is really a tell on Ben Shapiro right here. This is his entire schtick in a nutshell. He takes "smart people things" and uses them to present himself as far smarter than he actually is, as a way of legitimizing his ideology which is no different to any other conservative. I'm not going to say that in physics (or especially astro) we don't do some conceptual equations like this as a way of representing how variables might impact one another. But even in those rare cases there's an understanding that it isn't actually quantifiable -- it's just a way of stating proportionalities. Or in other words, Ben thinks these things contribute or detract from social cohesion. So he should just *say* that. He doesn't say it, because he'd rather obfuscate from the fact that it's just his pet opinions like anyone else.

[@estebanrodriguez5409]

Comparing Ben with Dimensional analysis or the Pi Theorem would be kind or crazy

[@Raybro16]

Theres another comment that gives it a real good term. People like Shapiro are obsessed with the “Aesthetics of logic, philosophy, and reason” which is very spot on for describing fascists. They only care about aesthetics that make them appear powerful, regardless of it’s actual context (IE Warhammer 40k being fascist/crusade glory p0rn despite the fact that Humanity is failing even with them going fullblown theocratic authoritarian), and in this case its bogus math.

[@JoshtMoody]

Yeah, rule #1 of establishing scaling laws is dimensional analysis. So all of the terms in the numerator have the same dimension? Any power scaling like in chemical reaction rates? Is this relation a constant for all time? Not even first order changes in time? Ben Shapiro is just doing really standard issue cargo cult "science", trying to borrow legitimacy from mathematics / science by giving the most superficial appearance of math/science with absolutely no substance underneath. Another standard page from the con artist's playbook. Edit: spelling.

[@TheGringuish12]

Im a sociologist and we actually do some conceptual equations too but WHERE IS THE FRAMEWORK BEN, you cant just lavel some variable “social solidarity is when we behave in solidarity duh” and expexting to just work as a metric Now I get why these people think so low about social sciences. They literally think this is it, this is as deep as it gets for our disciplines

[@TavishHill]

I don't really see any issue with the formula as an attempt to quantify govt legitimacy in some heuristic fashion. Those are all parameters that would make sense to show up in anything attempting to model that. I do want to point out that there is 100% certainty that he did not make the formula up. Nobody who is comfortable thinking about formulas mutters their way thru them the way he did here. The areas he is focused on as variables are likely quantifiable in various scenarios btw. Proportionalities are quantifiable too, even if only for comparisons (which is all that would be relevant here anyhow). Knowing the precise forms of the relationships doesn't matter much in context here. I don't really get why he is choosing to multiply the various elements tho. Ok, so now that is out of the way... My issue with his (befuddled) presentation of the ideas here is that he imagines he has ever been on the side of legitimized govt unless it suits his own agenda. With Dems in the WH/Senate, he is actively anti-govt. When a right-winger controls those sectors, he only then finds that govt to be legitimate, no matter what is going on with his parameters. How much do conservatives promote the wellbeing and interest of the electorate? How much do conservatives really care about being responsive to needs of the electorate? Did they promote healthcare legislation? Did they fight to keep things like drinking water safe or strengthen the EPA in the decades since Nixon created it? Do they focus on infrastructure? Nope. So conservatives aren't responsive to the needs of either the electorate OR EVEN THEIR OWN CONSTITUENTS(!). Nor do they promote the interests of those voters (min wage increases, universal healthcare, universal pre-K, entitlements, SSDI, etc). They actively work against voter autonomy, in fact, aggressively so. Are they working against overtly aggressive govt enforcement? Nope, they only work against govt enforcement that holds their own to account while pushing for the most aggressive overreach imaginable for their political foes. Right-wingers have built their entire political identity around restricting and violating the rights of various demographic groups. I guess they are anti-regulation too, so one more point in their favor as far as this model goes...but they aim to deregulate specifically at the expense of the interests of the electorate and the expense of the govt's ability to respond to needs. Sure, they care about social solidarity in the narrowly specific framing where it refers to racial and ideological cohesion to conservative ideals (whatever the fuck those even are these days). But other than that super thin slice of 'S' they don't promote policies that actually promote legitimacy even in this model.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

One of the funniest things about his “equation” is that he couldn’t even be bothered to use the “insert equation” function in MS office. So the equals sign only lines up with the numerator.

[@gehinkun]

"Whos going to buy the house, BEN? F-ing AQUAMAN?" - Harris B Bomberguy

[@stickzman]

Literally going Gov legitimacy = (stuff I like)/(stuff I don't)

[@nealorr5086]

You seem to be only one of two Seder watchers who got the point of the exercise (almost). They're just facts, though, he wasn't attributing moral values to anything. That's what Sam tried to do, which was why he was so confused, I guess.

[@stickzman]

@@nealorr5086 broski, it was a nonsense equation. He wanted to make an argument that the legitimacy of a government was bolstered by certain factors and hurt by others, but in order to make make it look like it's all just objective "facts" he threw it into mathematical form. The equation means nothing, he made it up.

[@corringhamdepot4434]

I wrote out the equation in words and it makes no logical sense. To me it's looks like he just made up some letters and then arranged them into a pleasing shape. Like, pointless square brackets, adding together things above the line, but multiplying them together below the line. Are these things whole numbers or percentages? What does "something prime" even mean in the real world? Or are they just there so he can use the same letters to mean 2 different things at the same time. 🤔

[@BadassRaiden]

I have always said that conservatives are only anti-government in so far as the government does not tell THEM what they can and cannot do. However if someone they don't like does something they don't want, they are more than happy to cry to the government in an attempt to force that other someone to stop doing the thing they don't like.

[@nealorr5086]

How does our example not apply to leftists? "Get government out of the bedroom!", "My body, my rights!". "Quit incarcerating people for drug offenses" etc, etc.

[@briansager3744]

I love how he made this an equation. It's such a 4th grade thing to do. Like, he made these categories that cannot be numerically quantified, then just threw in a bunch of plus and multiplication signs. It's so funny.

[@sempressfi]

Yes 🤣there is a reason that there is QUANTITATIVE research and QUALITATIVE research and you can't just try to make the latter take the place of numbers lmfao

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Was amazed at how little effort he put into symbol usage myself. Throw an extra friggin / or ( ) in there ya goober!

[@philipvipond2669]

Yeah, it's definitely random. A denominator can only bring a number to 0 if it's infinite. So, what is the threshold where it becomes illegitimate? Does the government need to take away infinite rights before it stops being legitimate? Better yet, if it gives back rights (so that V is negative) and the numerator is positive, then does the resulting negative legitimacy make it illegitimate? Giving new fundamental rights is illegitimate? He must be pretty upset with the founding fathers... either that, or it's just letters and operators vomited randomly onto a page.

[@Nihil847]

Aye, he didn’t even use basic propositional logic symbols

[@grimslade0]

@@philipvipond2669 this implies that a black-government exists, a governing singularity so Left that no legitimacy can escape. We know that they exist from observing effects on the environment, e.g. Bernie Sanders. This leads to the obvious question (as your reasoning alluded to), the existence of white-governments, so incredibly Right that legitimacy is emitted and can never be reabsorbed... Now, it should be stressed that just because the mathematical model describes such an anomaly, doesn't imply it's plausible. But, who knows? Shapiro remains optimistic, claiming that "if WAP is actually a thing, then why can't other absurdities be out there too?". Truly a soul with the imagination and curiousity that this world needs.

[@Tarumarugan]

He made an equation for how to solve society 😂😂😂

[@sprig5173]

Pity he just picked a bunch of random symbols instead of an actual equation.

[@jasonfuentz4282]

42

[@leothenomad5675]

@@jasonfuentz4282 You @#$%&* you beat me to it. Good job👍

[@icin4d]

@@jasonfuentz4282 🤣

[@wet-read]

Check out the comment section on the actual video. There are a bunch of morons who think it is legitimate and awesome. 🙄

[@Lifealope]

Once upon a time, I was an applied mathematics major. I love math, but even our professors knew the limitations, especially when it came to human behavior. Benoit B. Mandelbrot once stated in a book, “Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a straight line.” He was referring to geometry and how the ideas of mathematics do not always equate directly to the real world, but I feel like the idea still stands. Math can do a lot of things, but it can't explain human behavior neatly and it can't make Ben Shapiro look smart.

[@michael1345]

I think Shapiro demonstrates consistently that he is on the Asperger Spectrum. His speech pattern and toneless voice. His obsession with simple answers for complex socio-political issues. A one sided intelligence best demonstrated by his fictional book "True Allegiance". When he debated Alex O'connor, Ben was like a bright school boy in front of a mature and worldly Professor but both are of a similar age. So, what does that say about Ben's fans?

[@Anteaterman23]

Ugh, as someone studying math in college, this is so frustrating. By naming one variable "R prime", it implies there's a link between that variable and the previously defined R (in calculus, this is a derivative; it can take on other meanings in other fields). However, there's no link; it's just that both things he named started with an R, so he added a prime to one of them because he's an imbecile.

[@theartofstew]

Right! I’ve been scratching my head trying to figure out why he would prime R? Like okay so you divide R by the rate R changes? And that means what exactly?

[@arsmor1end1]

I think he had exhausted his knowledge of the English alphabet at that point.

[@Argumemnon]

Yeah that's something we learn in high school.

[@andredunbar3773]

Couldn't the R' be a lower case r to differentiate between the two? Edit: changed "second R" to R' to clarify what I'm trying to say

[@vxicepickxv]

@@andredunbar3773 he couldn't do that because he uses x to multiply in the equation.

[@joshufo9959]

Shapiro's equation is the math equivalent to phrenology 😂

[@gerontion1011]

I’m a mathematician and seeing this equation makes me think Ben is an highly accomplished number theorist. Because it’s making my brain number every second I hear him talk about it.

[@vinsanity40k]

and exactly who does he think his audience is? this completely blew over the typical right wing science-denying listener's head.

[@lawrencemckeon6802]

Good one.

[@metalheadedtothemax]

Every dad just high fived

[@emilywilson967]

​@@vinsanity40k right, exactly. They hear it, don't understand a word, and think that means their guy is super smart and always right. It's the whole point - he's posturing as an intellectual to these idiots so they can point back at him and claim he's an expert.

[@nealorr5086]

What's wrong with the equation? I never heard a guy who runs the cash register at Hardees refer to himself as "a mathematician" before, but I'll wait for your response.

[@markcarey67]

This is like if you took the Drake equation, made every term in it more arbitrary and non-empirical and then applied it to proving your wife is a doctor.

[@philipvipond2669]

Hold on, let me get this straight. V is basically how much of your rights the government takes away? But unless the government somehow takes away infinite rights, that factor can't bring legitimacy to 0? Okay, no wait. He's a fascist. Yeah, that checks out.

[@theelephantintheroom8016]

Fasci math!

[@NekoDalian]

Yeah, note that by his metric, it's okay if you take away *some* people's rights, as long as it's "balanced" by the other factors. Especially if they're a minority group, then their rights *especially* don't matter, because they don't contribute meaningfully to the other statistics in the numerator.

[@phantommensa]

It looks like Bendover is trying to legitimize the "Sovereign Citizen" argument with his ridiculously stupid equation!

[@MicheleGardini]

Not really. Fascists want a totalitarian government. Ben "let's say" Shapiro is an anarcholiberist bigot, that is another way to say a selfish a**-ole, the kind of figure Upton Sinclair referred to in his sentence about understanding things.

[@Strawberry-be8id]

Ben is doing math that you could see sheldon from the fucking big bang theory using to explain some board game he made.

[@michael1345]

I think Shapiro demonstrates consistently that he is on the Asperger Spectrum. His speech pattern and toneless voice. His obsession with simple answers for complex socio-political issues. A one sided intelligence best demonstrated by his fictional book "True Allegiance". When he debated Alex O'connor, Ben was like a bright school boy in front of a mature and worldly Professor but both are of a similar age. So, what does that say about Ben's fans?

[@tylerhackner9731]

Not as smart as he thinks he sounds

[@Cryptum404]

Sam? Yeah agreed man

[@CaliIzActive]

@@Cryptum404 why do you listen to idiots then? why are you here if your so smart?

[@bobbysworld281995]

​@@Cryptum404crypto go unalive

[@DRChupacabrah]

@@Cryptum404 call the show and find out, turkey

[@sparkofcuriousity]

That's Ben Shapiro in a nutshell

[@JeromeBellon]

"The ability to leave the area..." As in, if you're pregnant you're allowed to go to another state to have an abortion?

[@pikachu5188]

Ben Shapiro proves to some of us that having a higher education does not immune oneself from stupidity.

[@seivaDsugnA]

...nor make one beneficial to society.

[@wsdante]

I saw a vid of a guy who slowed Ben Shapiro's voice down (to normal, human speed). He sounded like a VERY stoned Owen Wilson. I finally understood why nothing he said made sense.

[@stefanlvkc7986]

I'm an accountant with two degrees and over 15 years of experience and Ben's equation is the most booger-eater level numbf#$% nerdery I have seen in my life.

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

I thought you were going to be a bitcoin bot in the first half

[@grimslade0]

@@ThompsonFlash9999 Oh, you heard about crypto too huh? Wow. I should try it. 🚀🪙 👁️👄👁️

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Even his means of legitimizing a government is on par with judging which hotwheels toys to take on a trip. You have to wonder if shit this stinky is intentional.

[@grimslade0]

... Bad idea, guys. A microphone looking ass "kid" in his 30s scammed with this pitch about using crypto to sell bananas whilst playing League of Legends. !! I mean -- I was living in under a bridge, and now I'm living in a van down by the river with $1.5k to my name. And YOU can live that dream too. PM me. 👌💲💲💲

[@kjrey9878]

Computer systems engineer here. You're 100% right!

[@kmac1766]

As I listen to Ben’s tortured explanation of his dopey solidarity formula I am reminded of the words of that great American, Bugs Bunny: “What a maroon!” 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Akiopai]

It has less to do with STEM and people who suffer from Dunning-Kruger effect. The first thing I thought was how the hell do you quantify any of the variables in his equations, things that are non-quantifiable variables and social factors

[@ChaplainSophie]

Wasn’t aware that “regulatory strictness” was the first derivative of “responsiveness”

[@thecaliforniadream1973]

Yeah, I know. That's what I thought too! I wonder if he ever took calculus.

[@marknutt7841]

Aren’t you able to use like, prime notation to denote things other than just derivatives? Cuz in Chem, you can label identical hydrogen groups on an aromatic ring, A/A’ for example. So “regulatory strictness” and “responsiveness” could just be similar to one another. Or, R and R’ could just be two completely different things, and the ‘ differentiates the two ideas, in a similar way to how N and n can mean two completely different things. But, I don’t think Ben thought that through.

[@wendigo6667]

The first derivative with respect to time, of course.

[@richtraube2241]

Well, now you know. 😆

[@SmilingIbis]

@@thecaliforniadream1973 I'm guessing: No.

[@hambeastdelicioso1600]

The phrase "not even wrong" comes to mind.

[@westwolf48]

5:22 As a STEM major I'm offended that you think we're all like that ;-) Shapiro is a moron for thinking that the entire social contract can be distilled into single small equation, it's a complex chaotic system that depends on context and the history of the system.

[@MunsterLion]

Usually within mathematics - a prime symbol next to a variable denotates it is a differentiated version of the original variable - so is R' and R or A' and A related?

[@govimodo9231]

Ben knows more than most that facts don’t care about his feelings Because they hurt them so often

[@SkeetzDingdong]

Always love hearing Hugo roast Shapiro 😄

[@derekluna7700]

An equation where none of the variables can be quantified, that's very interesting. And Ben Shapiro was considered a genius wunderkind and became a writer at such a young age? With how seriously he described this I can only think of him as a sophist at this point.

[@eyeamstrongest]

"at this point" dude been living in his own head his whole life

[@crumbtember]

@@eyeamstrongest what u mean? How so?

[@crumbtember]

That's what I thought too, like he would have to write proves for each variable or something lol if that makes sense

[@aheroictaxidriver3180]

Obviously, government should be done by those with a talent for quantifying them.

[@TheZombiemofo]

The man believes that sending your kids to college turns them gay, I wouldn't take anything he says as true. If he told me that the sky was blue I'd still want to validate that for myself.

[@Krebssssssss]

I’m an engineer, and I find this shit absolutely hilarious. Stay in your lane, Ben. Stick to the abstract grifting.

[@colinbrown3592]

I believe it is quite obvious that Ben Shapiro has never proven a mathematical equation in his life.

[@ubonthemic]

Guys I came up with an equation too x - Ben Shapiro = better world x = everything

[@nolongerblocked6210]

This fits Ben perfectly: a fake equation for a fake intellectual

[@ameerhamid89]

"I'm a real boy!"

[@granudisimo]

@@ameerhamid89 He's the smartest 30yo gifted child, or, alternatively, the smartest boy alive.

[@ameerhamid89]

@@granudisimo Don't be fooled by his boyish good looks and youthful energy (lol), he's almost 40!

[@trafficjon400]

@@granudisimo Wow what a Compliment?🤠

[@benjaminasmus3980]

​@@ameerhamid89 He reminds me of Master Billy Quizboy from venture bros 😂

[@aaronsande]

Avoidability of the government sounds to me like how easy is it to break the law with no consequences.

[@that_heretic]

This exactly. I bet his tax returns include some creative accounting.

[@kino_cinante]

He says the equation applies to families. So does that mean the parents are the authority and the children need some freedom to choose to leave the family?

[@nealorr5086]

If you keep your kids tied up in the basement, does that make you a more legitimate parent? I mean, that seems like a stupid argument, but defend it. I'll listen.

[@aomorgancool1775]

@@nealorr5086 that's not the arguement he made.

[@AkuTenshiiZero]

Sam Seder's Subscribers: 1.21M Ben Shapiro's Subscribers: 5.31M I think the person here with a poor grasp on math is the guy who calls his show the "Majority" Report.

[@leosanalien9904]

Responsiveness + Ability sounds basically identical to “willing and able” which is part of a test most use to determine whether a refugee has a well founded fear. So Ben supports refugees when he said “you’re able to move out of the area.” This answers Sam’s question and problem solved.

[@nealorr5086]

I realize that you're being facetious (OK, I hope), but what the equation says is that the corrupt, incompetent governments of central America are more legitimate (all other factors being equal) then say North Korea, which does not allow its citizens to leave. This, of course, is true. I give you a C+. You considered one example, but you weren't able to consider other examples to fully articulate your thought.

[@williamfaughnan6298]

5:50, Lmao at, "that's a .7"!! That absolutely made my day!!

[@illsaveus]

Ben thought this would make him look smart 😂😂😂😂

[@mylittlekittens]

Ben Shapiro Einstein!

[@MarkSoupial]

So open borders, easy and available voting, class solidarity, well-funded social programs, and an accountable government that follows its own rules is the most legitimate government according to this. That sure sounds a lot like Socialism, Ben.

[@rickywashington6058]

If you’ve never heard of Ben this video explains him and his ideas 99.9%

[@psyience3213]

Pretty disingenuous to judge him by the dumbest thing he’s ever said. It’s not like he doesn’t have a bunch of good videos destroying woke liberals.

[@rickywashington6058]

@@psyience3213 Did you just say “destroying woke liberals”? I’m not arguing with an NPC, but I am taking that square off my bingo card.

[@mrgotitfordalow]

​@psyience3213 no one cares what you think with your pizza hut logo looking mustache.

[@FakingANerve]

Lesson: Never take advice from a guy, prepubescent voice or otherwise, who calls himself "the cool kids' philosopher" _and_ unintentionally brags about never pleasing his wife.

[@spikesmth]

He's pretending to be an economist. For my Econ Master's thesis I basically did the same thing, I made up a model... except I was using actual quantifiable values like time, income, housing costs, etc. I think Shapiro has been listening to too much Freakonomics Podcast (It's a great podcast, and great books, generally objective analysis, everyone should check it out), and by Dunning Kruger he thinks he can do it too now.

[@DeathByToothpaste]

The funniest part of all of this is that he will never refer to this equation again. Even he doesn't take this goofball shit seriously lol

[@jacobs9955]

I’m studying Computer Science in college right now (a very math-heavy major). Now I’m not a math whiz by any means, but I have taken Calculus and I’m currently taking Discrete Mathematical Structures. But what Ben did here is the most nonsensical gobbledygook I’ve ever seen. Like how the hell can you even quantify any of this? Why is he trying to fit derivatives into it? What the hell is happening? 😂

[@donnievance1942]

He doesn't know that the prime symbol indicates a derivative. He was trying to distinguish the two Rs because they mean two different things. He has no familiarity with the conventions of mathematical notation. He doesn't even understand that you should avoid using the same letter for two different sorts of variables to avoid confusion. He just thought that if he stuck a prime symbol on one of the Rs that it would be OK to use it as the symbol for a totally different independent variable. He's an idiot. Sometimes people do use mathematical expressions to indicate abstract relations (think of the Drake equation) even though quantification of the variables is not available, but in this case I'm unconvinced that his little equation can actually be seen as an expression of a logically coherent concept. He also didn't realize that his brackets were superfluous because of the order of operation rules which gives multiplication precedence over addition in an expression.

[@jeffengel2607]

He's taking basic paleocon/libertarian sentiments, reducing them (very badly) to proportionate relationships, and shoving them into a single formula with no regard for the conventions regarding symbol usage, then representing it somehow as Grand Political Theory.

[@jaygee6629]

Gonna need Ben to show me the strong inductive proof on this one 😄

[@extravagantpanda7962]

@@donnievance1942 The use of a prime to denote something that isn't a derivative isn't necessarily bad notation. It would be an error to assume that any mathematical formula using that notation indicates a derivative, unless it is clear by context. Plus for multivariable functions, the notation becomes ambiguous (is it a partial derivative and if so w.r.t which variable? Is it the total differential? If it's a scalar valued function, is it the gradient?). It is common to use it to mean things other than differentiation, usually to introduce a quantity related to some other existing quantity in some way, e.g. introducing an angle T', distinct from some other already defined angle T, or in coordinate transformations: x,t -> x', t'. But yes I agree he is a total moron, and the notation is just bad, he should have just used different symbols. He's clearly trying to trick his braindead audience into believing he's some sort of genius, why not throw in some greek letters to make it look more "mathy".

[@ZZSmithReal]

He forgot to account for WAP.

[@Jinz3]

😭😭😭😭

[@jacobs9955]

Ahahahahaha 😆

[@kates6371]

Lol I just snorted

[@Support-your-local-team]

This guy is a world famous political/social commentator, gynaecologist and mathematician. A true renaissance man

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

Alternate title: Benji Pepino 🤓🥒 develops his own form of algebra in hopes of unlocking the secrets of WAP

[@micahgelfand8282]

😂😂

[@megsulinski4052]

Hahaha!

[@psyience3213]

Bens future equation: Girls = Icky x Gross / Koodies

[@Diatonic5th]

The unnecessary brackets in his "formula" are hilarious. It's fun watching someone play pretend mathematics😂

[@wet-read]

You CAN do it, just on a much simpler level. For example, a vicious lie would be referred to as "L to the Vth", and written in scientific notation as an L with a much smaller V on its upper right.

[@ZZSmithReal]

B = A + S + S

[@discosecret6363]

That’s not math, that’s METH. The legitimate, responsive government, in Ben’s area, should perform a wellness check.

[@carolynmcmickle9742]

I perceive Big Govt to be protecting me from unrestrained capitalists.

[@scambammer6102]

insufficiently

[@granudisimo]

@@scambammer6102 Yep, my government is still insufficient but at least it's big enough to have the bargaining power that allows me to pay less for the same drugs, made by the same American companies than you, while "mysteriously", my government also has less public healthcare spending, despite healthcare being of universal access and no payments at point of service.

[@dredhead117]

lol Sam at the beginning "I really don't know what to make of this..." perfect intro

[@paulstewart6293]

Newton and Einstein both spent years and years working out their equations. Maybe shapiro's kitchen table is a portal to another math dimension unimagined by intelligent people?

[@waterfrodo4304]

I think that Ben's "avoidability of government" means how easy it is to dodge taxes, drafts, lawsuits, subpoenas, regulations, etc. (if you are rich, of course)

[@elmersglue6259]

In america we don't do the draft anymore. It's been volunteer for a while now.

[@scambammer6102]

@@elmersglue6259 or you can get into the NG like baby bush

[@HeisenbergCertainty]

Good point. But Shapiro's "avoidability of government" also highlights how much easier it is for the super-rich to move to another state or another country. So by Shapiro's own definition a government is not legitimate in the eyes of any of it's citizens who do not have the financial resources to move.

[@ians5245]

@@elmersglue6259 There's nothing preventing a draft in the future though. The Selective Service is still a thing. It's certainly less likely since it went so badly during Viet Nam, not to mention that wars have gone out of favor since the last couple were botched so badly even republican voters aren't as big of fans as they used to be. Not to say they don't still want to spend all of our money on defense.

[@NomadSoul76]

I think that's exactly it. It would be more honestly stated as rules for thee but not for me. I don't even think it necessarily just means if you're rich, just if you're on the political far right.

[@spiderpickle3255]

I'm atrocious at math and even I was sitting here wondering what the heck ben was doing making a formula that calls for completely arbitrary values 🤣 But yeah, I need to remind myself that his audience isn't very bright for one, and likely not even going to think about it critically. Clearly doing their own research.

[@geometrividad7716]

as a mathematician, my biggest concearn is writting an equation and not using Latex. also this is the dumbest thing i've ever seen. why are some variables being added? why are some being multiplied? the variables are measured in what units? how on earth are you supposed to even compare all of these variables? he should have just made a bullet list with "this stuff adds legitimacy" and "this stuffs takes legitimacy away", it would have been very stupid anyway (the variables make no sense), but not THIS stupid. But hey, he used math and logic, because he is Ben Shapiro, intelectual extrordinaire.

[@Void7.4.14]

I'm a simple anarchist. I don't need algebra to explain myself.

[@davidwoznerable6750]

So much wrong with this. By the way past elementary school no one uses the X symbol for multiplication. What happens if any of the bottom variables equal zero? This is some garbage algebra.Not to mention what Sam points out about how silly it is to quantify this without any agreement about definitions or rubrics. Your equations should be able to predict reality in order to be useful.

[@Drummerx04]

It is used when multiplying matrices and vectors, but it is fairly unusual to see it outside of those spaces.

[@joemills346]

​@@Drummerx04 At risk of sounding like as big of a geek as he is--If not that he called it "times" instead of "cross," you could tell that he had zero clue what he was conveying in the equation in his crossing what I'd assume to be scalar quantities. Not to mention, a lack of units/dimensions makes it impossible to tell if it's a valid equation. It's honestly pretty juvenile of him, but what should I expect? His understanding of statistics should've been a clear indication that he didn't know shit about math.

[@Drummerx04]

@@joemills346 That's part of it too isn't it. Using big capital (English) lettering is an equation is most often seen for Matrix expressions or scalar constants in physics. But hey, even by taking the time to analyze how irritatingly useless and weird his formula is probably gives him a win by wasting our damn time thinking about him lol.

[@nealorr5086]

@@joemills346 He's explaining a Poly Sci hypothesis to people using a visual and audio only medium, which is why he typed it up like he did, for his own readability. Your comment about your expertise in math would ring truer if you had noted the errors in the comment to which you're replying. "What happens if any of the bottom variables equals zero?" = The L score would increase. Who doesn't know shit about math again? "Not to mention, a lack of units/dimensions makes it impossible to tell if it's a valid equation." So, you made two errors here. The first is to assume that there are dissimilar units. All of those numbers could be represented as a %, or as against a median set to 1.0 (which is what I would tend to guess). The second error is that we're attempting to solve the equation. We're not. It's a political science discussion in which Ben is using the equation to illustrate seven factors which tend to make governments "Legitimate". The equation may not be correct. Maybe we should just be adding numbers and subtracting numbers, who knows? That's not the point. I give you a D.

[@marc8239]

Hi, mathematician here. It’s safe to say this video was the closest thing to a near death experience I have ever had to witness in my life.

[@saltydog9914]

15:48 "his audience is just not studied enough and academically enough inclined to understand " Just say it!

[@forkless]

This kind of equation "crafting" are signs of people in mental distress.

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

Ben Shapiro went to tge Tim Pool "just go inna woods!" school of government understanding

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

💪🚽🚿👍

[@DRChupacabrah]

it is... disgusting

[@Femren]

They say brain damage isn't funny but... well... Ben Shapiro proves otherwise

[@sylviabrown1112]

This is what Ben and Matt Walsh do. The assume things and try to turn it factual without any evidence.

[@j0j0dartiste21]

Usually they also to nature for that but this is just a more pretentious yet stupid version of the

[@nealorr5086]

What did Ben assume here?

[@sylviabrown1112]

@@nealorr5086 I'm saying in general. He likes to pull things out of his ass and hope ppl aren't smart enough to call him out on it.

[@granudisimo]

@@j0j0dartiste21 It reminds me of Elon Musk thinking he can understand computer code better than a computer by reading it on paper.

[@granudisimo]

@@nealorr5086 Bullshit equations are a well known comedy trope, and Sharpie Pepino is trying to pass one about government legitimacy as a real equation. There's no data, only variables without any calculable values and context, you don't even need to know math to see that this is beyond sophism, he's laughing at his audience's nose with a straight face, backed by decades of media conditioned lab coat effect. Now I'm not sure if you're just confused, or just want your slice of the lab coat effect cake that Ben is gobbling before your hungry, jealous eyes. Following your posting trend in this video, ima go with the latter.

[@thebandit7623]

So basically Ben made Math racist lol.

[@polkadotmicrochip]

That's how it flows.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

Toilet! Party Middleofthewoods

[@guypalmiero1453]

I’ve heard of pseudoscience but I didn’t know Benny was pushing pseudomath