Bermuda Triangle: Does Anyone Still Believe In It?

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

I would like to present my inverse bermuda triangle theory: Since statistically, most of all deaths and accidents happen outside the bermuda triangle it is actually the safest place on earth

[@AsifKhan-hf9zy]

look at the bright side. atleast you are guarenteed that your spouse will disappear from the face of the earth if you travel thru the bermuda triangle. where else on the planet can you get this sort of guaranteed service?

[@willlindsay3840]

Ok, you’re way off base with this one and I have proof. Earlier this year I took my wife and kids on a NCL cruise that sailed through the Bermuda Triangle and whilst on the cruise, I was abducted by aliens and replaced with a smarter and better looking replica of myself. Would that really have happened in any other part of the ocean??? I didn’t think so. On the upside, my family hasn’t noticed anything yet.

[@querellenono2683]

uh ok, lol, Damn, Your Family don't even notice a difference, Aliens do good work

[@owie4070]

​@@querellenono2683It's all about the advanced technology.

[@Bevity]

My theory is that your whole family was replaced and none of you notice that you all look better now.

[@willlindsay3840]

@@Bevity Mind……*BLOWN*

[@litterpicker1431]

Can confirm. I am _almost_ _certainly_ the smarter, better-looking replica with which OP was replaced. I am, for real, not _nearly_ as smart and good-looking as I once was, and I am getting dumber and uglier every day.

[@petrie911]

I definitely believe in the Bermuda triangle. That patch of ocean certainly exists, and it'd be very strange if it did not.

[@karsten11553]

"It doesn't matter if YOU don't believe in climate change, your insurance company does." Excellent quote.

[@karsten11553]

@@jackof1 "Flood insurance policies can be purchased through a private carrier or the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP). It is crucial for homeowners to understand what flood insurance is, how it works and what options are available so they can protect their investment in their most valuable asset. Bankrate's insurance editorial team, which has a combined 50 years of industry experience and includes licensed agents, has put together this guide to help you make the most informed decision about flood insurance."

[@SADFORIAN]

Insurance companies would raise rates due to the risk from climate change whether the cause was an anthropogenic one or not.

[@richardcaves3601]

​@@jackof1you need to shop around, there's always one or two that do.

[@kaijudirector5336]

My great-grandpa once told my dad that the triangle being cursed is just a myth. He was a freighter’s engine room chief and when you look at it, it's probably just as dangerous as any other part of the sea.

[@littlefluffybushbaby7256]

When you look at the facts it's obviously nonsense. But for every myth debunking book (not just on this subject) you'll find hundreds that jump on the bandwagon. Doing proper research and finding out the facts takes effort and is probably less financially rewarding that making stuff up and using innuendo.

[@peterwilson5528]

@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 I was in a very short storm off Florida heading for Grand Bahama. I used to live in the West Highlands and was a Salmon farmer there. I saw all kinds of storms there over many years, powerful storms from the Atlantic. I can tell you the speed and power of what I saw from that 12-seater plane amazed me the speed and power that near Grand Bahama and then it just vanished and we landed on Grand Bahama and it was a clear sunny day.

[@King_Cola]

Yeah but this guy, ( The channel owner) thinks that everyone is a qtard and believes everything. There have been TV shows about The Bermuda triangle myth, for entertainment.. they never said The info was absolute fact but this guy apparently thinks so since he thinks It's a "conspiracy theory"

[@litterpicker1431]

It is _less_ dangerous, in fact, than the South China Sea, East Indies, east Mediterranean, Black Sea, North Sea and British Isles, according to the WWF in 2013.

[@stephenhartley2853]

@@litterpicker1431 ho knew hulk hogan knew so much about maritime history

[@FHT1883]

When we were 8-12 years old, me and my sibling loved reading a German magazine which explained science to children. There was a special edition about the Bermuda Triangle, laying out all the outlandish claims and the most famous incidents. But it did also explain how there was no evidence for anything supernatural and that people just love to speculate wildly without evidence and some just spread fantasy stories to get fame and money. I think magazines like that one should be available to all children, to promote critical thinking and understanding of the scientific method early.

[@androidhammer]

I can think of plenty of adults that might benefit from reading something like that.

[@kevaughnramsay9846]

​@@androidhammerFACTS

[@mj.l]

i fell into believing a lot of ‘supernatural’ crap as a kid because it was in the school library. it seemed legit! kids definitely need better information sources, too many people want to fill impressionable people’s heads with nonsense

[@Tasby12]

I wish I had that available to me as a child when I was believing all the fantasies concocted about the Bermuda Triangle. I was a true believer. I went to an Evangelical Lutheran school at the time and we were of course told once or twice that it was all nonsense. However, we were never given any realistic reason for it or taught any critical thinking skills to apply to the stories. We were simply told it wasn’t true “because God” basically, which wasn’t an explanation at all. So of course I rejected that and continued right on believing it.

[@yeoldegunporn]

I sailed in Bermuda twice. I expected sailors to talk about it. They can be pretty superstitious. No one mentioned the Triangle even once.

[@DrewLSsix]

It's like the renaming a ship thing, every nosy landlubber will go on about how it's such bad luck and no sailor would ever step foot on a renamed boat, meanwhile, the simple and irrefutable truth of the matter is ships and boats get renamed all the time. Particularly private boats and commercial ships. A typical freighter might get three or more names before being scrapped, from the name it recieved upon launch to the name it gets from its second owner and on down the line. If there's a lick of truth to the superstition it's that as a ship accumulated more names it was likely to be older and moving down market. From a shiny new pride of a fleet to a Hulk earning its last buck for some conglomerate unwilling to invest in maintenance. So and old ship with a new name might not be the luckiest place to work.

[@user_name_redacted]

It only gets you if you talk about it ;)

[@Bevity]

They didn't dare say it out loud.

[@adamalton2436]

The navy itself initially deemed the flight leader of flight 19 got disoriented and panicked. It was only after a family member loudly protested that it suddenly became a mystery.

[@geograph-ology4343]

The Bermuda Triangle is only as mysterious as any busy intersection on the road: it is where the traffic is, so that is where the accidents are. Anyone who thinks it so mysterious has never been to the deep waters where waves can be just ripples followed by monster waves in just a half hour, or you can have sunny weather one moment and a downpour the next. If it was a reality, insurance companies would throw exorbitant premiums on ships sailing that area so they would still anywhere else. Good job laying out the facts.

[@A.F.Whitepigeon]

My great-grandfather was a Navy flight-trainer in WWII, and he always said that navigational disorientation like in Flight 19 was commonplace among novice pilots over open ocean.

[@LogjammerDbaggagecling-qr5ds]

The flight leader had been moved to that air base from a different part of Florida earlier that year. He even identified himself with the callsign used by flights flying from his previous station. The guy got confused, thought he was on the opposite coast of Florida because that's where he had been stationed, and led his flight in the wrong direction trying to get back to land. It looked wrong because he thought he was somewhere else. It was just simple human error. And the search plane crashed shortly after takeoff due to a known malfunction. An explosion was seen by fishermen exactly where the search plane would have been.

[@Spencer481]

I think a the average person doesnt understand how hard finding a ship wreck can be, the great lakes have 100's of ship wrecks that have never been found, some extremely saught after by wreck hunters who have searched for decades, and thats in a well defined area.

[@NeutralDrow]

Combine people's generally poor innate sense of distance with the idea that "there's no obstructions on the water, so it should be easy to spot"...

[@AFnord]

Ah the Bermuda Triangle. At the age of ~11 I and a few friends were obsessed with the thing for a few weeks, and tried to read up as much as possible on it. I remember finding it really hard to find any sources on the subject, and questioned why no encyclopedias or other more reputable sources of information even mentioned it. Why would they not write about such a famous place? In retrospect it does make perfect sense that we hardly found anything (this was before the days of things like Wikipedia or even google, when Altavista was still on the rise. Which was probably a good thing for us, as otherwise we might have actually found some "sources" on the subject).

[@davidsenra2495]

In hindsight, these reputable sources and encyclopedias should have a proper section to debunk these things properly. Not finding anything usually ended with you going through the wild realm of "popular magazines", and people usually came out fully convinced out of it.

[@Wailwulf]

One thing I remember about the story of Flight 19, is the Commander, Taylor, was familiar of flying around the Florida Keys. Their mission was east, near the Bahamas, and Taylor may have mistook the Islands in that area as being landmarks he knew around the Keys. For example, he may have been seeing/flying near North Cat Cay and made the bad assumption he was flying over islands near Whipray Basin. That would put him 100 miles off course and think Florida is North of him when it actually was East of him. I have made the mistake of thinking I was someplace else because an unfamiliar road I was driving on felt like another road I knew. It can feel very Twilight Zone-y that you drive past the hairpin turn with the big tree a mile back but the big dairy farm on the hill is nowhere to be seen.

[@wanderinghistorian]

I like how you followed the money. If it were real, then you bet the Insurance companies would charge higher premiums on ships passing through the Triangle. The one thing we can count on is for humans to do what is in their own self-interest.

[@LusiferSam1]

I learned about the Lloyd's of London argument in middle school. I stopped believing paranormal crap on the spot. Was very glad you brought it up.

[@splifftachyon4420]

When I was a kid (in the late 60s and early 70s I was fascinated by The Bermuda Triangle. I read Berlitz's book and watched the TV documentaries (and fictional movies such as the 1975 TV Movie 'Satan's Triangle'--very scary for an 11 year old!!), but when I was 12, I read Kusche's book when I was 12 and it made infinitely more sense to me, pretty much putting my fascination with 'The Triangle' to bed. I still enjoy fiction stories that involve it though.

[@AsifKhan-hf9zy]

putting my fascination with 'The Triangle' to bed. ======= and that fascination being replaced with fascination for a different kind of "triangle" ====== right at the age of 12 what a coincidence ==== wink wink

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

I've never been obsessed with the BT, but I did passively think it existed considering I kept seeing it brought up over and over again. Sometimes when I was feeling bored the History Channel would have on one of their conspiracy shows with the hunting music and all the rest, the BT was usually a favorite topic used for content. I appreciate you for helping set the record straight in my own mind at least Lol.

[@littlefluffybushbaby7256]

Sadly there's more money in mythology than there is in facts. Facts tend to be mundane. Mythology is, in contrast, more entertaining. Publisher's know this. Also the more nonsense is repeated the more people believe it.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@LittleFluffy Bushbaby If you're bored, you don't have enough facts. Plus, the more facts you do have, the more you realize just how mysterious reality truly is.

[@KasumiRINA]

I heard about some natural phenomenon of exploding underwater gasses being used to explain the Bermuda triangle without actually clarifying that the area isn't special in any way.

[@Tedanson]

I'm assuming BT stands for Big Titties?

[@barbaraanneneale3674]

What a blessing! A real historian online! What a concept. Congratulations I'm some fine work.

[@barbaraanneneale3674]

It should read on some fine work

[@preslove]

Yeah, "shipping insurance rates were never higher for that area of sea" is totally devastating to the Bermuda Triangle myth. Shipping insurance is one of the oldest and most important financial instruments in existence. It was professionalized and scientific hundreds and hundreds of years ago. I love how piracy in an area forces shipping companies going through that area to purchase a special piracy rider for their insurance policies

[@Random_user_8472]

The insurance company is the strongest argument ever. But hey, people love good stories and (urban) legends, always have. Same with Atlantis, mentioned as woo in the video, perfect. If I remember correctly, Plato himself even wrote that he made up the entire Atlantis story, it's nothing more than ancient science fiction and woah this Plato dude was his time far ahead! Without Plato we wouldn't have two Disney Milo movies and a bunch of Atlantis videogames, how cool is that? I don't believe that philosophy is a solid source of information, which of course doesn't mean that all philosophy is false.

[@HollyOak]

BT is a sensational thing for landlubbers who have never been to sea. Was just wondering the other day if this was still a thing as we never hear about any missing vessels there anymore and here you are!

[@incoldblood975]

Hi Sean, I've been going through your videos still. I love what you're doing making with a lot of your videos like this. You correcting years of disinformation about history and providing much-needed context in, which in my opinion, is entertaining and informative. I'm not sure if you have ever heard of a fellow KZbinr, his channel is Atun Shei. He is an independent filmmaker but also does a lot of what you do with correcting false historical narratives. He does so with a mix of skits (checkmate Lincolnites) and long and short-form video essays (he dismantles the history and filmmaking of movies like Gods and Generals). He focuses on the Civil War and early American history. He has made videos about the real origins of the Atlantis myth (challenging charlatans such as Graham Hancock) and also does videos about films, although his film videos don't focus specifically on historical accuracy. Anyways, if you haven't heard of him please take a look at his channel, I think you would love it.

[@RWSCOTT]

Good stuff, your point about insurance companies could be a video in itself! re: the Triangle, I've always suspected the popularity of the myth came from local storytellers, drunks, and older navy types who liked scaring young cadets & civvies.

[@shmackydoodRon]

I still have to convince my students that the world is round, and that this can be proven without going into space.

[@a5cent]

How do you convince your students? I have proven it to myself in multiple ways, but none of them are simple things I could provide to someone else as evidence. They all have some basis in math. If there is something simple and intuitive others would accept as evidence I'd love to know what that is.

[@JasonSmith-jr7jh]

​@@a5centI have a friend who has been brainwashed by the Flat Earthers. Believe me, usually when they go Flat they never go back...no matter how or what you say! To Flat-Zillas on KZbin comments, I usually point out that the concept and implementation of an EQUATORIAL MOUNT on a telescope (or camera) wouldn't jive with a Flat Earth. Sometimes they reply: "It's the 'Firmament' that's spinning, not the Earth..." A concept that still doesn't make sense, being that you set an EQ Mount to Polaris AND calibrate your Local Latitude. I've also asked them to explain how we are able to predict Lunar and Solar Eclipses (Years in advance) to the very Day. When the event gets within months of the event, we can predict the very Hour, minute and second of the Eclipse, and pinpoint the path and location of Totality. They're NEVER able to 🐂... their way outta THAT one! They either disappear or say I'm in league with the 'Jewish Free Masons' that secretly run the (Flat) world! I hope that "Smackydood" answers your question. 🌎

[@richardcaves3601]

​@@a5centpoint to the moon and ask "how come it stays the same size as it tracks across the sky? If the world was flat it would change size." Simple

[@a5cent]

@@richardcaves3601 Their response would be: If the world is a sphere, then the moon should be at different distances to me, depending on whether I see it on the horizon or directly overhead. It doesn't change size, so something is off. Unfortunately, your "proof" is an oversimplification that could well backfire. Why? Because while I'm not sure students would know, the moon actually does APPEAR to change size. On the horizon it looks bigger to us. If we used a measuring device we could tell it's always the same size, but our brains don't perceive it that way. To make matters even worse, someone with a precise measuring device could tell the moon actually does change size (due to atmospheric lensing). Reality is complicated.

[@Armlace]

Sounds like a good teaching opportunity that a good teacher should be able to tackle

[@warrenharms6901]

I flew in the triangle many times. No problems were encountered. I would also say pilots know that it does have tricky weather. Storms develops rapidly and should be avoided. Side note, the USS Cyclops sister ship was converted to the first US Navy aircraft carrier.

[@MiniEquine]

Your skeptical takedowns are brutal and I'm all here for it. I've watched some of your 2-hr videos as well and I have the rest ready to go once I get more time. Awesome work!

[@SeanMunger]

Thanks so much! 🙏

[@mailleweaver]

8:32 "...something uniquely fishy about this area of the ocean." That's some top tier word choice. I'm sure fishermen would be greatly interested in knowing the uniquely fishy areas.

[@noosphericaltarzan]

I grew up on the coast of Florida. Weird stories happened there occasionally over the years. Nobody knows. I will say that the weather can change very fast. A squall will appear out of nowhere and it completely blacks out visibility. Wind gusts can get very high. Out at sea these things are dangerous. That doesn’t explain stories of people flying hundreds of miles in a few minutes, etc., but those stories seem like bs.

[@Raven.flight]

The biggest mystery I’ve ever encountered is “why isn’t critical thinking taught more, and considering something to strive towards?” When you look at our education system, it is set up to teach the acceptance of woo. “This is so because I said so, I’m the teacher” What’s more, if you DO question things, you’re considered a disruptive influence.

[@theuncalledfor]

It's not a mystery. Your education system is set up to allow your politicians to sell your exploitation to the highest -bidder- campaign donator. A stupid, short-sighted, and self-destructive practice. I wonder what kind of deficiency leads politicians towards this kind of foolishness. Is it sadism, that they want to live in a terrible world where they can look down upon the masses that live even worse lives than them? Are they victims of their own means of control, unable or unwilling to think critically about what they are doing to the world? Some kind of physical brain damage, maybe?

[@orangekayak78]

The only disappearance in modern times and the young boys did not have a GPS or checked the weather. I've said it before this triangle stopped being dangerous when GPS and accurate weather prediction were invented

[@brianarbenz1329]

When I saw a PBS program in 1977 clearly documenting that fraud, misquoting and out of context statements had been used to sell people on a false “Bermuda Triangle” tale I forever stopped relying on commercial U.S. media. Ever since I have understood that a person must take the initiative in informing oneself, instead of being passively plied with information designed to meet sales figures.

[@GrnXnham]

I honestly haven't heard the Bermuda Triangle mentioned in years. But I remember this was a fad back in the 70's. Lots of TV shows were trying to make a buck by having a story about the mysteries of the Bermuda Triangle in those days. But similar things like the Lochness Monster were also popular in the 70's and that craze appears to have lost popularity as well. Yes, the ocean is a dangerous place. Thousands of ships and planes have been lost all over the world trying to traverse our world's oceans.

[@RobDucharme]

7:29 It seems to me that a LOT of these stupid fantasies and folklore tales originate from a single source before blowing up. It's almost never a shared belief until one person writes a book about it. It reminds me a lot of that scene in Monty Python's Life Of Brian, where Brian is badly attempting to blend in with the other people who are delivering their sermons to anyone who will listen. While Brian hasn't a god damn clue what he's doing, a couple of people start to listen. When the coast is clear, and he feels safe to jump down and just get on with his day, people start to blindly follow him, ramping up beliefs that he's someone special that they have to listen to without question. Except in the case of this Bermuda author, there are always snakes in the grass. 11:01 It's interesting how "facts" like the calm waters can be easily debunked, but people will just cross their arms and say, "no." It's so stupid. And it keeps happening.

[@50jakecs]

Yup, because the type of people who publish this garbage are money grubbing con men. Same as the people who keep peddling the flat earth garbage.

[@inappropriatejohnson]

Over the last 5,000 years, many, many more ships have been lost in the South China Sea and the Mediterranean Sea than anywhere else on Earth. Now them's some cursed waters. Arrrrr.

[@nativepangea]

When I was in the Coast Guard we couldn't find an orange sailboat that had been reported as stranded with a broken mast. Two days no such boat, the boat had pulled into a dock for repairs to a rudder issue. The report came to us Tuesday afternoon as if sighting was an hour ago. They docked on Tuesday morning and the sighting was on Sunday. Obviously the story that was circulated was (que Charlton Heston voice over) " How possibly did they not see an orange sailboat on perfectly clear skies and flat calm waters?".

[@fumanpoo4725]

The Cuban Rhombus is far more treacherous.

[@the_neutral_container]

I, who call myself a skeptic person, totally thought that methane bubbles were one of the leading theories about the BT until tonight (apparently debunked 7 years ago). 😁 Very interesting video - the bit about insurance companies really is the one argument needed.

[@soupstoreclothing]

methane bubbles have their own mystery though! scientists have actually found these giant pits like craters in some lakes in the Arctic and it looks like the lake is boiling. what's happening is the permafrost below the lake is not so permanent, and as it melts it creates fissures in the permafrost layer all the way down to these giant pockets of gas underneath these lakes. it's accelerating global warming insanely fast because no one anticipated this factor in climate change. it's quite scary actually.

[@prsanfrancisco1688]

Great work on this and Nostradamus. Although others have done it, I would like to see you unpack the Winchester Mystery House, whose PR team thrives on selling the myths of Mrs. Winchester's oddities.

[@rogerrendzak8055]

Yes, the USS Cyclops occasionally carried ore, but it actually was, a 'collier'.

[@sureshmukhi2316]

In 1976, the show "In Search of" hosted by Star Trek's Leonard Nimoy did an episode about The Bermuda Triangle. I was 8 years old at that time and was actually convinced it was real.

[@jamesg9840]

Just posted the same thing.

[@sureshmukhi2316]

​@@jamesg9840yeah, I read it. So you were 10 in 1976 makes you two years my senior.

[@LogjammerDbaggagecling-qr5ds]

The flight 19 leader had been moved to that air base from a different part of Florida earlier that year. He even identified himself with the callsign used by flights flying from his previous station, which was miami. The guy got confused, thought he was on the opposite coast of Florida because that's where he had been stationed, and led his flight in the wrong direction trying to get back to land. It looked wrong because he thought he was somewhere else. It was just simple human error. And the search plane crashed shortly after takeoff due to a known malfunction. An explosion was seen by fishermen exactly where the search plane would have been.

[@penelopegreene]

We had The Sargasso Sea causing "mysteries" (missing vessels, etc.) before The Triangle. In fact, the whole thought exercise of an hypothetical "Super-Sargasso" comes from the legends surrounding it.

[@Hyf5]

We actually had the story of the bermuda triangle in our school curriculum, I think I was 8 or 9 at the time, and it was all presented to us as this factual story.

[@dennisweber2886]

The PBS Nova episode from 1976 does a great job of explaining flight 19.,,,and other "mysterious" disappearances.

[@ThomasTrue]

I believe one of the vessels mentioned by Berlitz was not only nowhere near Bermuda, it was actually in the Pacific Ocean. Of two Star class airliners, actually converted Lancaster bombers, which disappeared, parts of one were released by a melting glacier in the Andes. The plane was flying to Santiago and obviously crashed into a mountain.

[@mikepowell2776]

Just to clarify, ‘Star Tiger’ and ‘Star Ariel’, the two lost near Bermuda, were Avro Tudors (not converted Lancasters). The aircraft which you correctly refer to as a converted Lancaster, (a Lancastrian) was ‘Stardust’. Last time I checked the Andes mountains were some distance from Bermuda. The Tudor aircraft were a notably unsuccessful design, the distances covered were vast, navigation aids and weather forecasting was nowhere near modern systems and commercial flying was less secure. It is probable that both aircraft encountered stronger than expected headwinds and either went slightly off-track and/or ran out of fuel.

[@supperrooms8437]

@@mikepowell2776 the airline that operated Stardust, Star Ariel and Star Tiger - British South American Airways - had a terrible safety record. They had a reputation for taking off overladen and needing to make emergency landings on arrival due to being nearly out of fuel. A trip from the UK to the West Indies, or South America, took several days, with the hop from West Africa to the West Indies being one leg of the journey. There's a fascinating book ('Stardust' by Jay Rayner) about the airline. Running out of fuel seems a very likely explanation.

[@Elizabeth-xo9sn]

Burlitz lived three house down in sailboat bend area of Ft Laud. Ironically the famous debunker , James Randy ( The amazing Randy) had his education center about two miles away. He showed me a map of boats etc, that was outside of the triangle but included in the lore. He also said there were a lot of pop up storms that can become severe. Rip. Mr. Randy

[@1RoundInTheChamber]

You'd think pointing out insurance rates should be the most intuitively convincing argument. Similarly to how you'd think oil companies relying on old earth geology to find oil should be convincing to young earth creationists.

[@Busterkeatonrules]

7:43 - I find it unreasonably hilarious that the picture of Charles Berlitz is about as clear as your typical UFO photo.

[@Tasby12]

Great video. I remember seeing the “documentary” In Search of the Bermuda Triangle when I was a kid. One recreated scene showed a radio dispatcher sitting and listening to the radio chatter from Flight 19. I remember hearing the line “it’s like something from outer space,” an obvious attempt to make it seem like they were abducted by aliens or something. Keep in mind this came out a few years after Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I am willing to bet that any transcript of the communication from Flight 19 exists, it makes no mention of “like something from outer space.” It was also said that one of the pilots was replaced on the flight, but who replaced him was a mystery. I’m sure if that actually happened, it wasn’t nearly as sinister as the doc implied. I will say, though, that I had the Bermuda Triangle board game and it was quite fun.

[@Revolver1701]

I was all-in on Bermuda Triangle stuff when I was a teen contemporary with so many of these articles. I got over it.

[@carlosenriquez2092]

I'm late to your amazing videos. I grew up in the seventies and eighties, can you do a piece on why quicksand was such a popular peril in this era.

[@WorldwideWyatt]

This has been showing up in my recommended the last few days, so I watched it and found it quite interesting. Well done video.

[@SeanMunger]

Thanks!

[@theuncalledfor]

The Bermuda triangle is totally real, you literally showed it on a map, it's right there.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

There is also alledgedly a "South Bermuda Triangle" iirc somewhere either in Indonesia or Sea of Japan. Like the other triangle, South's rep is just as fed by rumours, myths etc.

[@hollyingraham3980]

I remember reading about that! They eventually expanded to a theory of 12 triangles around the world. But at that point, all the specialness goes away, and the aliens just like hanging out in dangerous waters and so what. They sort of did themselves in at that point. They made themselves banal when people wanted woo.

[@JohnSmith-gb5vg]

I remember a map I saw back in the 80’s of lost ships/planes off the US coast and more ship/planes were/are lost outside of the “boundaries” of the Bermuda Triangle. WW2 period had a large upsurge in the area but that of course was the German U-boats, thanks Miami for not having a wartime brownout.

[@patrickrowan6001]

Even if your first premise was true, it would just been that a part of the ocean is quite dangerous. What a shocking revelation!

[@KPW2137]

Funny how I remember the Bermuda Triangle being a big thing in like 80s. And now, for years it seems like the topic just disappeared. Guess not enough sinkings and losses in the last decades to support the myth.

[@simonmacomber7466]

I've always wondered if there *are* places in the Ocean that are statistically more dangerous that Lloyd's of London *does* charge higher premiums to pass through.

[@ivanerstic6443]

Looking at the history of the area, one can also see pirate and military activities, drug cartels, political tensions, etc. Mysterious disappearances can be part of that story. In these supernatural stories, people don't go for the area being always inhabited and essentially sea and air traffic is functioning, people go there to tourism and come back from there. In Croatia, the Adriatic Sea, every summer there must be several drowned. We can make a mystery story about it. Who talks the most about the Bermuda Triangle? Ordinary people. What specific cases do they know? ... ??? ... They only know that ships and planes are disappearing, which and how many of them, no one knows. Before the internet, there were fewer stories about it and the story was building on in people's minds. In the age of the Internet, primarily YT, there is an inflation of information by people for whom their YT channel is a business. The stories of the Bermuda Triangle are increasingly dramatic and mysterious. It's like the story of a sasquatch - there are so many eyewitness stories that it turns out that this being is not a cryptide, but an everyday part of our environment. Then a skinwalker broke out in the first place, then a wendigo broke out, now he's a dogman...It's very hard not to notice that the stories have nothing to do with reality. Even if one believes all these mysteries, if there really were some unexplained events - not in such numbers. The point of legends and myths is that these are not events on a daily basis. Yes, I'm all for stories about the Bermuda Triangle, the sasquatch, the aliens, but in that ''old school'' way. It's part of folklore and it doesn't need to be more mysterious than it is.

[@Why-D]

Oh no, they tried to make this mysterous triangle over years and you just crushed all these lovely attemps with cold facts. That is so mean!

[@realshompa]

at 17:20 Lloyds of London. I can debunk that theory. They used to insure pro wrestlers. When you start to insure canrnys you are doing something wrong. Of course, all insured wrestlers magically got "injured" and got huge paypots. Then the wrestlers and Lloyds negotiated how many percent the wrestlers could continue to work, Some wrestlers could only do tag matches, and so on. I mean. Wrestling is a bigger work then the Bermuda triangle and Lloyds insured them. A whole generation of Minnesota wrestles got rich thanks to Lloyds.

[@coling3957]

new to the channel and i enjoyed this episode. nice to see mysteries logically debunked. back in the 1970's when i was a kid, we loved mysteries and wacky stories.. look at books and movies produced in that era... full of lost worlds and the like.. i especially liked the explanation about the missing Flight 19in 1945. they were inexperienced crews with just their one instructor who seemed to have been either negligent or , when things were going wrong, seemed to have panicked. had there been more navigation aids,. the loss would never have happened, and if more than one seasoned pilot,. they might have survived too if there was someone to contradict Taylor and point the flight on the right heading. Taylor seems to have lost his bearings and took the flight out over the Atlantic instead of back to Florida coast... pilots do get lost even today, back in 1940's it was not uncommon. in 1940 two German pilots got lost over the Ruhr, the pilot accidently cut the fuel supply (!!) and they landed in Belgium. carrying the plans to the German offensive ! they had not been able to follow notable features like the river even due to weather..

[@mrscruffy8045]

Something remotely related: I think it was a university professor (in an unrelated field) of mine, who offered an interesting explanation to "mysterious" ship sinkings and planes crashings over seas, and suggested that the "Bermuda triangle" might just be a place where it may have occured more often. He said something along the lines of: Gases can be trapped by the high pressure underneath the sea floor and they can be shook loose. And when that happens, they do bot only rise through the water, sinking any ship, that happens to be on top of the bubble instantaniously when it hits the surface, but also that bubble would keep rising through the atmosphere, invisibly, crashing even low flying planes, before it defuses. I dont know, just thought i'd throw it in here. I kinda find it compelling, regardless of any bermuda triangle relation, cause a gas bubble surfacing underneath a ship would sink it quicker than any torpedo or bomb. It would literally just be swallowed by the sea. In calm water. The crew wouldnt even know what hit them.

[@shawnferguson5681]

It seems the most mysterious thing to disappear in the Bermuda Triangle was records of disappearances any more mysterious or dangerous than anywhere else at sea

[@tkenben]

Peter Nichols, an author that talked to a seasoned captain quoted him as saying he wouldn't be surprised about lost ships in the triangle; that it's a major and congested shipping lane, and they drop containers occasionally which can float just beneath the surface and probably would sink smaller vessels easy enough. He also went on to say that small boats are all but invisible to large ships' radar. Source: "Sea Change: Alone Across the Atlantic in a Wooden Boat". So, though even if there were a larger number of boating tragedies overall in the triangle, it's easily explained due to the nature of the seaway's traffic, and not withstanding the already spurious weather patterns.

[@simon_blackquill]

I actually didn't know it wasn't real until watching this video. I assumed it was some sort of area with a natural, but unusual, magnetic field that disrupted navigation equipment. I also assumed it wasn't an issue in modern times with the advancement of technology (of which I have no idea how any of it works). I legitimately had no idea the whole thing was bogus. I wonder if these stories weren't seeded to keep people away from the area eg. a naval/military base or something; but maybe this really was people seeing patterns where there are none. I really hate when people make up the extra details and embellishments, or lie by omission (leaving out the stormy weather in this case for example) to make something seem more plausible than it is. I want to judge an idea on it's merit and evidence presented; changing the story makes it fiction. May as well ask me if I believe in Narnia at that point. It also irks me that those people died and yet some people just want to twist the story of their demise so they can use it as part of a conspiracy theory.

[@RobbieHatley]

No, the stories weren't made-up to keep people away from any military base. (I don't know of any islands with military bases in The Bermuda Triangle.) Rather, the stories were made-up for the same reason as click-bait KZbin videos: to pull-in more ad revenue. People love ghost stories, so telling stories full of woo sells books to customers and sells ads to advertising agencies, providing more money to book authors, television networks, and movie studios.

[@bsaneil]

Great vid Sean. When I was a kid my Mum and Dad went mad over this kind of stuff. Even then, at about 10 years old I would read it all and think to myself 'But where is the evidence? Why are the photos so grainy? ' I still have that Berlitz book on Atlantis, which I keep for sentimental reasons from those days. I dumped all the Van Daniken and Edcgar Cayce junk though. I so wanted it to be true, but it does what so much of this stuff does - focuses on a few very tenuous bits of evidence and tries to build a hypothesis on it with a lot more made up stuff. I am glad you debunk these myths. It would be nice and would make the world more interesting if they were true. But The fact is, they aren't.

[@allenhonaker4107]

If lost and missing ships is the criterion, then the Great Lakes make the triangle look bush league.

[@SeanMunger]

☝️ This!!!! Very much true.

[@jamiejohnson157]

Hey Sean. I discovered your channel a couple of weeks back (the Iran-Contra video) and am going on a tear through your videos. I absolutely love it and I especially enjoy your to the point attitude and withering put downs to anti-intellectualists. Thank you for your work!

[@thebayandurpoghosyanshow]

When I was a kid, one of my favorite books was "All miracles in one book" by Eastern German journalist Helmut Hoffman. Where he discussed and debunked people like Charles Berlitz and Erich von Deniken.

[@raivojutans]

12:24 Where these strange transmissions came from? Or maybe these words were especially missed at beginning?

[@littlefluffybushbaby7256]

What strange transmissions? Re-watch the video.

[@djackmanson]

I grew up in the 70s and I can still remember the Bermuda Triangle being a popular myth on TV and so on. I even remember there was a board game based on the concept.

[@latinforever]

I think that the real mystery of Flight 19 is why the Marine Captain on the flight didn't declare Lt. Taylor incompetent, take over, and take the flight west, which was what they were ordered to do in case they got lost.

[@lloydrichards-pe2zm]

Many thanks Dr. Mund for Another much appreciated and entertaining video. Great Work

[@danieloehler2494]

It is a fact! In Vienna's Bermuda Triangle close to the Schwedenplatz many souls have been lost.

[@deotank]

Great video! I will definitely share this with my BT friends. I hope you make a video on Atlantis

[@SeanMunger]

Thanks!

[@phillipseifert694]

I grew up expecting to be lost in the Bermuda Triangle (I thought you disappeared if you went near the place) or quicksand As an adult, I’ve flown thru the BT more times than I can count and can’t resist getting suck in QS

[@TheBlueArcher]

I vaguely recall reading somewhere that there is *some* truth to the bermuda triangle, but it's not mysterious. And that was that ships are more likely to have trouble there because of some plant growth or what not on the surface of the ocean, and it is more prevalent in that area than other parts of the ocean.

[@YakBat]

As a kid it was a HUGE worry. Then I completely forgot about it until I saw a low budget horror time loop movie called Triangle. And then forgot all about it again, until this video just randomly got suggested. Still trying to figure out the Topic to Transformers/Anime/Toys connection.

[@JohnJ469]

If you can find it, there was a weekly magazine back in the 1980s called "The Unexplained" from the UK. They went into the "Triangle" at great length.

[@joshuahadams]

Don’t basically all ships from the North Atlantic sail through it on the way to the Panama Canal on their way to the Pacific? Ports up and down the east coast of the US and Canada, Iceland, Greenland, and parts of Europe? If there’s more disappearances, it’d be because of volume of traffic alone. Add in all the traffic to and from the Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico, and most of eastern Central America and you got an answer.

[@JCMPRadio]

I appreciate this! I lost belief in it's mysticism a long time ago, but I assumed the only reason it could be plausible is because Bermuda is a convenient stop between Europe and the Caribbean/US east coast, so naturally that'd create a funnel for more traffic. Glad to see more logic on this subject 😊

[@umangjain293]

Deserves like 100x more views

[@sm5574]

Never let facts get in the way of a good story (which they usually do).

[@jonesey251]

My Dad spoiled this one for me. He was in the CAF and he was through the Triangle about 20 or 30 times and "nothing of note happened" ...at least that's what he said when we asked him ...using that exact phrase, in a monotone and while staring off into space.

[@catherinemunroe3960]

very well explained sean, thank you

[@NoahSpurrier]

The rule of following the money is a good one. Insurance companies wouldn’t care about any supernatural explanations. They’d just care if they had to pay out claims. They only care about the numbers.

[@bluehorizons2508]

From young, like a lot of people, I always loved 'a good mystery'.. Over time, however, I came to realize that the terms 'good' and even 'mystery' were way too often being applied, used together, according to the believer/story tellers own highly subjective beliefs &/or wish to belief (and, often moreover, clearly intended for others to think likewise). These days, at 60 years of age, I'm far more into facts, as per the actual evidence(s), or at least that which, again based on actual evidence(s), is far more likely to be the truth.. Great one on the Mary Celeste, by the way, a story which I've coincidentally recently been using to teach & practice English, including some discussion, online with a Chinese student of mine. Looking forward to telling the young lady of the very likely 'reveal' of that 'mystery' in our next lesson, and getting her thoughts on it.. Thanks very much for all these enlightening videos from a new subscriber, an Englishman /now a long-time English teacher, living in the north of Thailand, btw.. 👍

[@diGritz1]

The only thing one needs look at is..... Insurance. If an insurance company can find any way of charging more you dam well better believe they will. The insurance for ships and planes moving through the "Bermuda Triangle" is the same for anywhere else.

[@rudejase]

Question rephrased: "Do idiots still exist?" Yes. Always.

[@Naedlus]

IF, it is more dangerous than other parts of the ocean, it's only because there are more vessels around there than other regions. More traffic, more odds of something going wrong, better odds of people talking to each other about it, better odds of people blowing it out of proportion.

[@ryanholmes8587]

When I was a boy I legitimately thought the Bermuda triangle was going to present a real threat in my adult life! 😂😂😂

[@kristianh.pedersen2]

I generally agree with your point of wiew, but there is one point where you get it wrong. You say that in the flight 19 case, most of the the planes where without compasses because they were training dead reckoning navigation. That can't be right because dead reckoning means flying a compass heading, at a given speed for a specific period of time. When taking the wind into account, you can calculate your true headng and speed, and thus your position. You can't train that without a compass. Besides - even if they were doing some kind af training that required that they did not use the compass they certainly would not remove them from the planes but simply cover them up. Flying over the open sea without a working compass is suicidal, especially before GPS. The disappearance of flight 19 is not explained by a single malfunctioning compass, but is probably the result of a combination of human errors and mecanical failures.

[@jollyjohnthepirate3168]

There's another case were some silly soals decided to sail to the Bahamas from Florida. The chart they used was a place mat from a seafood restaurant.

[@redandblue323]

Great work! Please do the MV Joyita.

[@NoirFan01]

On March 16, 2017, NBC nightly news featured a story with the headline “Plane Mysteriously Disappears in the Bermuda Triangle.” It was such an incredibly irresponsible piece of journalism that I stopped watching their national news. I took a picture of the TV headline in case anyone ever wants to see it

[@ToTheNines87368]

Haha the green screen podcast/show is so oddly specific, I love it.

[@grapeshot]

Oh yes, Chariot of the Gods and In Search Of the mid 70s was a grand old time for that type of BS.

[@PShawtx]

Not disagreeing. He did not go over reports of such as the plane that vanished for 20 mins then when it got to the airport the clocks on the plane were 20 mins behind the clocks at the airport. The report of the ship towing a barge and the barge after a storm had mysteriously vanished and the metal on the ship was extremely hot.

[@davidlawrence4467]

Bollocks.

[@1486230]

Didn’t happen

[@inyobill]

THere are folks out there ready to believe just about anything. I saw a context map once, showing the shipwrecks surrounding the "Triangle", It's striking how the area does not differ at all from the surrounding seas.

[@Tulemasin]

The bermuda triangle exists in Tallinn old town. You need to train your liver with 3-month heavy drinking to survive that neigbourhood on friday night. It's the place where people and memories go to disappear like ships and planes.

[@lourias]

Rogue waves, inexperience in tropical storms, maybe even hurricanes. Keep in mind that I am NOT any sort of a mariner, except when I kayak to rockhound. I like knowing the shoreline is within my swimming ability. With today's technology, I let somebody know where I am at all times, I do not go alone, and my cell phone is in a water-tight, floatable case so that it always can send the ever loving, BIG Brother watching signal. Stay safe, my friends, stay safe.