Best $300 CPU? Intel Core i5-13600K vs AMD Ryzen 5 7600X

[@everyone01]

Basically For content creators: 13600k is better For gaming: toss a coin, whichever lands buy

[@mikem9536]

So overall, the i5 is the better choice.

[@rex-assassinassassin3446]

@@mikem9536for content creators I5 13600k/kf its a best .If you go for full gaming you should go AMD both is good but I5 has more cores and power draw most but you can achieve more performance

[@diamondx224_6]

Basically​@@mikem9536

[@auritro3903]

@@mikem9536 yes basically

[@chadfang2267]

Price is a big factor.

[@PrinceSaangwan]

Even though I don't intend on buying 99% of the products shown in this channel, I still watch every video just to support the channel because such channels SHOULD NOT DIE.

[@EdzonPusing]

Intel's 13th gen already?

[@user9267]

Apparently..

[@electro1146]

Feels like 12th gen was launched just yesterday.

[@OmPrakashSahu.legend]

that’s what i thought😂

[@mariodevita661]

Gen 14 Meteor lake Q2 ' Q4 2023.🤔

[@johanbire3296]

intel launch new processor every year lol intel afraid lose to amd

[@raviundhad1929]

You're really a gem when it comes to making their viewers understand things better ! Thanks jarrod

[@RNG-999]

That's why homie has got like 600k subs in just a couple years. lol. Remember when he had less than 40k.

[@beanshady]

Yeah he's my favorite. He gives the info out clearly and you can tell that he puts in the work. I really appreciate his videos.

[@runninginthe90s75]

What a lot of bullshit benchmark from this channel, i've seen more reliable source than Jarrod and the result in gaming the i5 stomp r5 really easy. This review is very suspicious just like HUB review.

[@demon5965]

​@@runninginthe90s75 the benchmark u have seen is probably intel rigged userbenchmark lol. I prefer Intel over amd and Jarrod is probably the most objective content creator I've watched when it comes to intel/amd

[@rHinosYth]

How nice to ignore the price of AMD motherboards.

[@TheBURBAN111]

Exactly what i was going to comment...

[@Noooo23523]

50$ more than am4

[@IceColdRona]

To be fair he has mentioned that in other videos and it was probably pretty well known at the time this video was uploaded how much more they costed.

[@IceColdRona]

Scratch my other comment he actually mentions motherboards at 12:12

[@Noooo23523]

between am4 and am5 its 20-100$ difference, between ddr4 and ddr5 its 30-100$ difference, 13600 has 6 cores nearly as strong as 7600x 6 cores and has small cores and it gives it more power and 13600 costs like 7700x and 7700x is stronger ,13700 has a little more multicore than 7700x like 13600 7600x and costs like 7900x and 7900x is is stronger, and also 7600x vs 12600 7600x 6 cores are stronger than all the p and e cores in the 12600

[@rarinth]

competition at its finest

[@narcoleptic-insomniac4663]

So now that i can get the 7600X for $200 going intel just seems stupid

[@auritro3903]

Thanks to Intel for not overpricing their CPUs. Thanks to AMD for kicking Intel in the nuts to start innovating again. Thanks to Intel for creating great early Core-Branding products like Sandy Bridge to force AMD to come up with a newer and better architecture. Thanks to AMD for being competitive with their Athlons throughout the 2000s to make sure Intel kept making good products. Thanks to Intel for inventing the first CPU to begin with. Thanks to Bill Shockley for being an asshole to his employees, which force them to leave to form Fairchild and Intel.

[@MrDerguncik]

13600k better choice now, we can buy "old" motherboard on z690 + ddr4 cheaper than am5 and ddr5

[@goa141no6]

Is not needed, 13600k is an almost max out 12600k, meaning you can get a b660 motherboard and B-die to lower you timings.

[@MrDerguncik]

@@goa141no6 yep, also good. But I don't like b660 motherboards, potential problem with vrm

[@goa141no6]

@@MrDerguncik Try the MSI b660 pro wi-fi, they have good vrm (hardware unbox tested it), have around 5-6 layers of fiber and cost $125~140 on ddr4.

[@jasonferreira4761]

Not really, Loses to AMD's lowest end in gaming already, better choice is waiting for 3D V-Cache to destroy everything in gaming.

[@MrDerguncik]

@@jasonferreira4761 1 more year ? At that moment 13600k better

[@e.h.v.k.7404]

I don't know what is going on with this guys benchmarks but every other outlet i have seen has shown that 13600k is faster in both games and productivity when compared to 7600x, often faster than 5800x3d even. It also costs less money since motherboards are way cheaper and you can go with ddr4 if you want. So your recommendation to go with 7600x seems little wierd to me. You get less by paying more if you go with AMD.

[@andreivasile821]

In some reviews 13600k even beats the 7700x and 7900x in some games (LTT,Gamers Nexus to give an example), it would make sense since it squares of with the 12900k and the 13700k .

[@Winnetou17]

Not everybody used the same memory, that would be a difference. LTT IIRC used DDR5 6800 with Intel which is a bit faster than DDR5 6000 used for Zen 4 (I forgot the timings, but I left with the impression that they're equally good). Also, in this test, Jarrod showed 99 degrees Celsius for i5 13600K which hints that it might've been thermal throttled. Not everybody has top of the line coolers for this kind of CPUs I guess. Though that doesn't explain the below 2000 Cinebench R23 single core score. All in all, they're quite similar. Though I'm still waiting for an optimized Intel CPU benchmark for gaming. One where they disable the E cores and maybe even undervolt the CPU so it has less power draw, and also increase the cache ring frequency. And, of course, maximum RAM, not just 6000 MT/s.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

he have 25 games and others have 3,4-6 games and HW 12 at most!! bigger channels are lazy and wait that game developers pay to them to show their games

[@Mr11ESSE111]

@@andreivasile821 Big channels as Linux,Jay2,GN are lazy ones and waiting for money from game developers and they have as you see 5-6 games in tests ., same games all the time

[@jase240ads]

There seem to be a few inconsistencies with different reviews. It's possible this is caused by the 22H2 update that, once again, is hurting AMD's performance by a decent margin.

[@radu1006]

Why not show the results with power limits as well? I never use a CPU without power limits.

[@mr.lunatic3157]

Why

[@kkostadinof]

Nobody cares about power limits in a desktop bruh. This is not a laptop comparison

[@mr.lunatic3157]

@@kkostadinof seriously bro imagine getting a desktop over a laptop and then limiting the performance ... Its like gaming in a laptop without plugging to the wall..

[@Kelkschiz]

Comparing based on the price of a CPU is pretty pointless, because owning a CPU in isolation is pretty pointless. When you look at platform costs, the 7600X is a lot more expensive than the 13600K.

[@sstier48]

It makes up for it a little by actually having a future upgrade path though, so if you plan on keeping your system for a few years, amd presents as good/better value

[@Kelkschiz]

@@sstier48 Yes, exactly. For that reason I was looking forward to getting an am5 system. But at the moment... The prices are just too high. Probably will wait till early next year to see how things look then.

[@stevenanderson9532]

Do to inflation I've decided to buy neither except in mobile laptop form.

[@otozinclus3593]

Platform cost is roughly the same. DDR5 RAM doesnt cost much more than DDR4 anymore, its 20€ more here. And the cheapest AM5 board is 10€ cheaper than the cheapest LGA1700 Board here.

[@jase240ads]

Is this affected by the new windows 11 22H2 AMD performance bug? If so these results may not be a fair comparison.

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

yes, almost 10% in the case of the versions with 2 chiplets. But that doesn't change anything anyway. Whatever you choose you will be pleased. I personally would go to AMD. I had 2600x, now I have 5800x and probably the next one will be 8800x. Unless Intel comes up with something cool in the future.

[@jase240ads]

@@rENEGADE666JEDI It's definitely not a huge difference but 10% is enough of a difference to make the AMD offering a lot better for gaming. Would be nice if there could be a comparison with a Windows 11 before the 22H2 update and/or Win10 performance.

[@peterharrop179]

11:06 Can i just say i will always be grateful for how intuitive and efficient this data presentation is. Thank you Jarrod!

[@Apeeksiht]

There's now a 90 dollar difference in my country. 7700x is now in 13600k territory.

[@zeropride1133]

aka if you are not using the godly 4090 for gaming they are gonna be gpu limited. buy a nice 13600k or 7600x and pair it with the next mid range gpu out of amd/nvidia.

[@gilgamesh1245]

AMD = cheaper, more performance, future proof

[@-Krispin-]

Future proofing doesn’t exist so long as technology improves. You’ll keep upgrading as you move down the line to get the best performance.

[@gilgamesh1245]

@@-Krispin- at least not as short as intel

[@mikekrg]

I mean I don't get it. I see every other channel showing the 13600K beating the 7600X except from this one.

[@Pividol]

The 13600k makes way more since for me because I already have a compatible motherboard (b660) and I would have to spend at least 300 dollars more for ryzen.

[@shreyasdharashivkar8027]

I really wish Intel to provide 5 year socket support.

[@Birdman._.]

@@shreyasdharashivkar8027 am5 will support only 9000 series more only(probably also 11000(

[@Caseoh_Music]

sense*

[@Pividol]

@@Caseoh_Music autocorrect moment

[@Caseoh_Music]

@@Pividol cap...

[@xdragon01]

When seeing individual CPU prices , the 7600x is a no brainer . But when you consider platform costs the choice is a little bit more difficult with the i5's overall platform cost !

[@a6893_]

If you are not upgrading it anytime soon.

[@michaelangst6078]

How is it a no brainer??? the gains the 7600x has in gaming are miniscule, and almost nothing at 4k.. The gains the 13600K has over using your system outside of gaming are actually significant... The 7600X does have a lower wattage though b y a decent amount, so if you're a penny pincher, the 7600x is a better choice I guess

[@glordium1951]

@@michaelangst6078 if you have a 4090 then yes, the 7600x is the better choice for games, obviously you are not going to get a 4090 with a budget cpu.. so if we are considering getting a budget gpu with one of these 2 cpu's then there is no doubt that the 13600k / kf are much better and there will be no difference in gaming benchmarks

[@AnyHoo]

But in the long term it might hurt because intel switches platform every 2 gens

[@af4396]

What? It's slightly more for the Intel chip, and it's got massive performance advantages across the board of computing, and trades blows in gaming. For pure gaming, sure, but even then it's not a "no brainer" because some games run better on Intel, and if those are the games you play you may as well get it.

[@zeljkoni21]

Why all other review on internet show 13xx at least a lead by 1-10% in games and only this one review does not????? do AMD pay you?

[@massivebuilder]

Intel wins. Best CPU for ca. 300€.

[@utkarshrajpurohit1554]

Extra 30$? ~100$ here😤

[@ThatOneGuyC]

this video is over 1 yr old

[@RonDoughRave]

Why is your review a huge outlier from basically everyone else's?

[@twistedoracle4555]

AMD need to add more core to the Ryzen 5 lineup going forward.

[@YudaXD8K_]

If amd want to up core. Amd muat have new motherboard

[@thebcwonder4850]

@@YudaXD8K_ why?

[@KingKong-xp6so]

Because of the socket size

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@notenjoying666 AMD fails to compete ,, Agree :)

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@notenjoying666 Intel at 10nm already SMASHING useless AMD that uses 5nm ,, ahhh just think how quickly AMD will need to leave the CPU business once Intel moves to 5nm ,, LAOVE IT

[@mathesar]

It's interesting because in Gamers Nexus 13600K review it scored higher than the 7600X in most gaming tests and in Cyberpunk the 13600K was 5% faster than the 7950X (!) Guess its always good to get a 2nd opinion.

[@jase240ads]

This could be due to the 22H2 update causing inconsistencies with different test setups. It seems to be hurting AMD's performance by a decent amount.

[@MLWJ1993]

Power consumption for 13th gen seems to also be all over the place depending on the motherboard used 😐

[@_TrueDesire_]

@@MLWJ1993 when some don't use "balanced powerplan" the power skyrocket, making the E cores totally useless.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

and how many games have Gamer Nexus in tests?? 5-6 only like all bigger channels with over million sucsribers !! Hardware Unboxed and Jarrod tech have 25 -54 games tests and there 7600x win while those ( lazy) guys as GN and Linux have few titles

[@Noooo23523]

@@MLWJ1993 its usualy very high and a mobo or cooler can make it run at less speed and watts than automatic 200w

[@HEAD123456]

Man those productivity benchmarks are just pure slaughter...7600X is just sooo badly overpriced.AMD need increase core count in next generation badly. R5-8core R7-12core R9-16core and 24core They been stuck with 6core R5 from first ryzen and they are no competitite at all vs 14core I5

[@sparklingbra]

AMD Zen 4 launch is suffering from the same, albeit worse, problem as Intel's 12th Gen launch - overpriced motherboards. Being DDR5 exclusive also doesn't help AMD although DDR5 is rapidly becoming affordable. AMD's strategy is to reserve Zen 3 as its budget and midrange segment while Zen 4 is for high performance. This strategy fails on several grounds. The 7600X and 7700X are meant to be the 'budget' Zen 4 options but don't make any sense when compared to the 5800XD which is almost always faster in gaming and the 5950X which is always faster in productivity both of which are on the much cheaper Zen 3 platform. This strategy also fails to recognize that people generally do not like buying 'outdated' parts when purchasing firsthand. So most people are going to ignore Zen 3 in favour of 13th Gen despite Zen 3 still offering decent value options.

[@buckduck3624]

Yeah definitely a problem with the motherboard cuz it's expensive to upgrade, but for AMD i am very interested in their mobile chips in the future for 7000 series cuz since they have great power efficiency and better cooling because of the lower wattage difference between AMD and intel. Some great laptops will come hopefully, if they don't fuck it up somehow.

[@clansome]

@@buckduck3624 The power draw of the 13 gen is very much Motherboard dependant and if set up correctly can draw significantly less whilst the performance barely suffers. This can be with Zen 4 motherboards as well although the %age saving is not as great as they don't use as much to begin with. Looking at UK prices (cos that's where I am) the saving on CPU is offset and then some by the extra cost of the motherboard. X670E boards as tested here are VERY expensive.

[@jubayerwasidraiyan5874]

AMD would've been okay if they made this gen compatible with ddr4 imo. 13th gen's power draw and high temps mean they're gonna be expensive due to electricity bills and people in hot countries just will NOT be able to run them properly

[@clansome]

@@jubayerwasidraiyan5874 Agreed but the eco performance, just like AMD, runs them a lot, lot cooler and temps are far better. Both companies are laying on the power and temps this round which in the current climate (no pun intended) is not a good optic.

[@johndoh5182]

I'm going to scrap everything you said and use different logic. For most people, PCs were fast enough in 2018 for almost anything they do. Zen 3 with AM4 makes a VERY capable platform for most users. For gamers, there's a lot to consider. For people who use a desktop PC to do video editing and a a few other tasks, there's more to consider. So, Zen 3 is WAY more capable than what probably 80% of the global population needs. For professionals, they're expected to use Pro parts or have to accept what desktop offers. For the gamers, AM4 MBs are perfectly capable gaming platforms even WITH a 4090 as long as you get the 5800X3D. It's not ideal but it's certainly a good system. I'd say a person could STILL buy into that platform (B550, 5800X3D) and have great gaming experiences for the next 6 - 7 years. This is regardless of the fact that there are faster CPUs. That doesn't matter. What matters is if YOU like your system, the last I checked. And in fact that's exactly what I did and am more than happy using X570, 32GB CL16, 5800X3D and the 6800 XT as a 2K gaming platform and don't plan on giving it up for MY gaming until Zen 6 is out, and there's lots of reasons for that, one being I don't like the CPU-chipset link being only 8GB/s and I can't buy into AM5 until that's bumped up to 16GB/s otherwise it's no better than my X570 MB. For those people who run one or two NVMe drives, B650E with gen5 to the PCIe slot for the GPU is more than capable though Zen 6. You at least get the NVMe drives off the CPU at gen5 speed and you can upgrade the GPU in the future with a gen5 GPU. So it's a plenty capable platform for typical gamers who other than that do light workloads. It only gets messy if you REALLY need all the ports that X670/E offer because of the limitation of the CPU-chipset link. On the other hand, if you want to build the best gaming rig for Intel 13th gen you need DDR5 and that puts you at cost parity with AMD AM5 platforms. AND if you want to take advantage of the better CPU-chipset interface of 16GB/s like I would want then you need Z790. So no, AMD if perfectly fine with what they're doing. AM5 will pick up in sales once they release Vcache parts so which most the AMD fans I see in comment threads seem to be waiting for just like I would, and they they'll pick up even more when their RDNA 3 based APUs come out because THOSE will be the best APUs on the market and will game just like low end GPUs, and this means people buying those get REAL 1080p gaming performance without having to buy a GPU. Intel might have this parity for APUs once they release Meteor Lake but I don't think Raptor Lake will. In other words, what exists right now for Zen 4 isn't appealing because it doesn't match up right. They'll be GREAT gaming platforms, but for people wanting to buy into AM5 for gaming most of them are waiting for Vcache parts. They'll be GREAT for people who want decent GPU performance but don't want to spend the money on a GPU. Once partners put out lower cost MBs they'll be GREAT for typical usage. But 600 series MBs have a limitation with the CPU-chipset link which different types of special case users or content creators that want to take advantage of 4 NVMe ports on the MB because of that 8GB/s cap on the link. As long as that speed is acceptable to a person then AM5 is perfectly fine. And everything I said about Zen 3 would also be true for Intel 10th gen, but there isn't a kick ass gaming CPU for 10th gen like there is the 5800X3D. If you don't consider gaming, 10th gen CPU are WAY more capable than what 80% of the population of the world needs. As far as 12th gen, Meh. If you follow the Amazon top 50 best selling CPUs on Amazon, AMD has dominated the top 20, and these are DIY builders now. People LOVE taking advantage of lower cost products and AMD with Zen 3 is dominating here no matter what you say. The Amazon top 50 list has shown this to be the case for the last 6 months. There's going to be an initial surge for 13th gen purchases, and then it will slow down and people will be buying everything from 10th gen - 13th gen CPUs and they'll be buying Zen 2 - Zen 4 CPUs just like they have been. The data don't lie.

[@maramara1967]

AMD is pushing hard this gen. What we need to consider is that AMD gaming CPU 3D V-cache is not out yet. Really start to think to go for AMD this gen....

[@unknownpeople8422]

in gaming i prefer ryzen, since intel so hot when gaming and u need proper cooler that makes your budget scale high

[@dhruvachoudhary2365]

I’m getting the 7600x for 256 usd and 13600k for 353 usd which one should I go with?

[@MDnub.]

7600x for sure in my country the i5 13600k is only 10$ more expensive, but a 100$ difference is crazy

[@runninginthe90s75]

What a lot of bullshit benchmark from this channel, i've seen more reliable source than Jarrod and the result in gaming the i5 stomp r5 really easy. This review is very suspicious just like HUB review.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

here is 7600x 6% better on other c hannels more like 10% worse but it seems because of few games only testing

[@_6-6_]

I think building now would be decent, 13600k with the best ddr4, rather than paying the enthusiast tax and being a Guinea pig. Buying ddr5 now feels bad, they’ll probably have better ddr5 the more and more mature it gets

[@bdyoutubeshorts8884]

Moral of the story : get 13600k.

[@JPEaglesandKatz]

Not sure in what part of the world the 13600K costs 300,= but definitely not in Europe.. More like 420,= euros so not sure you are making the right comparison...

[@alvar891]

Here both 7600x and 13600kf are 379eur

[@niceuuuuuu]

He is making the right comparison you just have different prices

[@Luka_Nogalo]

I have trust issues with all the bigger Media outlets out there. Hearing they try to manipulate by using different Ram, limiting Wattage or even different GPUs! Thank you Jarrod for the Video, you're one of the few reviewers left that I truly and deeply trust when new tech gets launched!

[@xslvrxslwt]

you're so funny

[@Luka_Nogalo]

@@xslvrxslwt a ti nisi jeli? Balkanac s profilnom slikom Kineskinje.

[@buckduck3624]

@@Luka_Nogalo here's my suggestion for other KZbinrs who test stuff like this it's jayztwocents and LLT and if you want laptop reviews Dave2d is one of my favorites and if you want phone reviews then i recommend marquesbrownlee and mrwhoseboss, these are the best KZbinrs that i could find that aren't biased and don't get paid to say what the company wants them to say and give every detail that you need.

[@milkyy4168]

@@buckduck3624 Mrwhosetheboss gets sponsored for some of the products he reviews.

[@buckduck3624]

@@milkyy4168 I specifically said they don't get paid to say what the companies want them to say he's honest about it

[@shinefake48]

little update 7600x is $249 now, making it better deal, and thanks to its 32MB of cache memory, it benefits the competitive games more

[@NarutoUzumaki-mo4ul]

But 13600k is 30 to 50 percent faster in productivity

[@DerekDavis213]

At 4:08 13600k was not 43% faster, as you claimed. Do the math again, amigo.

[@_sneer_]

You must be the only one with 13600k slower in games than 7600x

[@solaris413]

problem is not 7600x, problem is its motherboard price, here in india I am getting its motherboard at $320 while the CPU at less than $300

[@durgeshvj4749]

whole cpu for 300?? where?? whats the configuration?

[@SnaikHead]

Jarrod i have an idea for you to test my good buddy, Recently in the world of Dj'ing, a dj software company named Serato introduced a feature on its dj software where it can separate 4 STEMS (vocal-instrument-base-beat) on the fly while mixing. the thing is this feature uses a huuuuuge about of CPU power to which people are talking that if you don't have an M1 at least u cant utilize this feature. to make a long story short, can you maybe dive into this subject as it is EXTREMLY important to djs across the globe and no pro tech guy ever covered the subject. i think this will be some very unique content for you as well!!! cheers!!

[@Jinny-Wa]

Went with the 13600k as im constantly alt tabbing and multitasking while playing games

[@rrradu_]

The 13600K mostly beats the 7600X in DirectX 12 games, but stumbles in DX 11 and 9

[@maxmaxo9971]

😂😂😂😂😢😢😢😢😢

[@itaiperes9635]

amd is doomed RIP AMD...... amd had left the chat.......

[@johnvs7169]

IMHO it is not correct to define value with only the processor price, without taking into consideration the total platform cost. AMD really need to make some corrections in MSRPs and have some chat with AIBs for the ridiculous prices in motherboards.

[@AgoxGaming]

THNX TO INTEL AND NVIDIA FOR UPCOMING GLOBAL WARMING... Intel and nvidia just to beat AMD are overclocking their stuff by default lasting only 1 year or so lifespan Pathethic approach... Get Better Thermals and effeciency on power draw 10 Million processor sold = 1000 Million Extra Wattage compared to Previous generation... 100 Watt gap is way too much and cheaper 10400 10th gen were effecient and produce so less watt 95 Watt max compared to 300 Watt thats 200 Watt gap THNX TO INTEL AND NVIDIA FOR UPCOMMING GLOBAL WARMING !

[@Ishamv3]

This is a far more balanced and sincere review IMO, whereas most channels are telling you to buy the i5-13600K for performance, ignoring power-efficiency and socket deadend.

[@Anonymous-qb4vc]

intel is more power efficient since it idles at lower tdp and normal workloads thanks to efficiency cores, also if u cap max tdp u can get similar efficiency as AMD, watch Testing and Tuning the new 13900K for Efficiency

[@3polygons]

IMO the difference in threads is too big, here. Yep, they are considered same category (intel did change the game here a bit) but while I see the point of doing so, 12 threads against a cpu with 20 threads (and the e-cores are very good for productivity, so is not that much of a lesser core in this scenario) is going to give the advantage to the latter, big time, if both generations are more or less recent. Clearly seen when realizing how identical these two are for Photoshop (or cinebench single core). I'd get the 7600X for _only_ , or mainly, Photoshop uses. And probably the 13600k for a station mainly for video. Or the 7700X for that. As he says in another video tho, the AM5 platform it seems will have more of an upgrade path in the future. And... for those into gaming (not me, I just do casuals or other low end gaming) the X3D chips might tell a very different story. But if it is like the last time, those chips tend to be slower than the no-x3d version for productivity, so this is the peak in productivity from AMD. Again, IMO price will be the factor, as intel in same category is not having the same number of cores anymore. Which is funny, as it has been always accused of having bet for more clock speed and not caring bout cores. Turnes have tabled. These videos are amazing, loved the other new one about the 13900k vs 7950x.

[@tilapiadave3234]

13600k is AWESOME ,,, drinking the tears of the AMD fan/soy boys delights me

[@johndoh5182]

Dude, you make a video about performance using a DDR5 based MB for 13th gen and then say at the end when talking about price how you can get a DDR4 MB. Sure you can, and then ALL the data you showed is meaningless, and the performance drop in gaming is fairly significant. So if a person buys a DDR4 based MB for 13th gen, Zen 4 Vcache parts are going to BUTT STOMP on that 13th gen system. Here is why you shouldn't buy a DDR4 based MB IF you plan on having 13th gen for a few years. DDR5 will drop in price. Companies will make faster DDR5 memory and it will boost your performance. No company is going to make faster DDR4 memory than what already exists because it's being abandoned or systems that use DDR4 for the most part can't USE the faster DDR4 memory. And then for 13th gen CPUs, if you want a MB with a lot of ports because you NEED them, you have to spend the money for Z790. It allows DMI 4.0 X8 so you can actually get the benefit of all those extra ports, but once again you need to be a person who uses these ports.

[@JarrodsTech]

I was just casually mentioning that it's an option for completeness lol.

[@johndoh5182]

@@JarrodsTech Yeah I wasn't trying to be in attack mode, but I just saw that statement as being off unless you then followed it up by saying you'll lose that gaming performance. I made a request elsewhere, but could you please do a CPU comparison with the 4090 with multiple CPUs from multiple gens from both Intel and AMD? I know it's a bit of work but I think this would be VERY eye opening information for just how much graphics power just increased and how even CPUs from 2 generations ago are going to struggle to run this to it's full potential. I was thinking like the 6 and 8 core class CPUs since those are the typical gaming CPUs, so the 3600, 5600 or 5600X, the 5800X3D, the 7700X and then for Intel the 10700K, the 12700K and the 13700K. BUT, I know that the Zen 4 8 core Vcache part is going to make a lot of gaming perf. improvement and it would be good to see that in this comparison as well, but you could compare it against the 7700X and then reference back to this video to let people know they can then get an idea of how the 7700X3D will compare with all those other CPUs. PLEASE! I BEG YOU! 🙂 And one last request because I think this is going to become more important with UE5 titles and ray tracing entering more games. When you find the CPU is a bottleneck, and it would certainly be in a comparison I mentioned, could you do a brief mention of CPU usage? With RT and UE5 they're going to run more threads from what I see so it would be nice to see if these new powerful GPUs AND UE5 or ray traced gaming loads the CPU to 100% (all threads maxed). I think the gaming power of the 4090 added with RT or UE5 means the older 6 core parts are going to hit 100% which would suggest you need a CPU with more threads. Hey, always good stuff coming from the channel and I appreciate all you do. It's rare that I ever find a single sentence in everything you say that catches me off guard so this was a rare moment with the mentioning of DDR4 without a qualifying statement warning about the drop in performance.

[@alrizo1115]

If you do gaming and work, go intel. If gaming and upgradability is your main concern, go for amd.

[@hoangd4132]

it's just dumb to spend more at the moment for a way worse product for the sake of "upgradability". buy a 13600k and you can just skip entire AM5/14th,15th socket.

[@alrizo1115]

@@hoangd4132 I respectfully disagree. You can save more, have better performance in the long run but you'll have the worse experience in multicore productivity at the moment. If gaming is your only concern and future upgrades for cheap, let's say in 3 years, go amd. If you need it for work and gaming NOW, go intel.

[@rdmz135]

Or just wait 2 months for x3d

[@-badr]

Which of them won ?

[@lmrecordsgaming8003]

The choice is this simply. Whatever is cheapest buy that brand if your getting an amd gpu buy an amd cpu if your getting nvidia buy either.

[@portman8909]

Nope, it's Intel. 59% improvement in multicore is no joke. AMD sucks this generation.

[@lmrecordsgaming8003]

@@portman8909 multi core performance is not everything and temps play a big roll and also price plays a big roll

[@giveaway6314]

Only handful of reviews would recommend 7600X, is this a sponsored video of AMD ?

[@JarrodsTech]

No.

[@obamalastname34]

Damn intel should at least support lga 1700 for 2025 they gotta stop changing socket every 2 years wtf

[@itaiperes9635]

supporting both ddr5 and ddr4 required more pins on the cpu. there is no other way.

[@h1tzzYT]

Hard disagree with your conclusion. Not only total platform is much cheaper for 13600k but if you want, you can pair it with ddr4 which doesnt perform that much worse compared to ddr5. ddr4 can be super relevant for users who already have it from their previous systems. 13600k performs in the same ballpark in gaming and much better in core heavy workloads AND is much cheaper. Recommending 7600k just for couple % of gaming advantage and questionable upgradeability path is ludicrous, considering that most people upgrade their cpus at the earliest every 3 years and by that time current am5 mobos will be significantly outdated and most likely unsupported. Now if anyone says "but amd made commitment to support am5 through 2025" Well they certainly did, here is the catch though "am5" not "b650/x670 chipset motherboards" Not to mention that the price saved today with 13600k+ddr4+z690 already easily covers new motherboard when you will want to upgrade your system later. zen 4 are not bad products but their cpus and motherboards are severely overpriced.

[@Shineinpoverty]

Idk... My mobo cpu and gpu are all freaking old, I mean 4-6 yo. For people like me a platform price does not even matter. I will upgrade everything

[@h1tzzYT]

@@Shineinpoverty 4 year old cpu is not that old and performs very well, something like 8700k or 9900k are still fine for todays gaming unless you are chasing super high refresh rates but then the price to performance metric goes out of the window anyway :)

[@johndoh5182]

At this level of CPU, all-core loads aren't the main concern. People in general are going to step up to 8 core parts like the 7700X or the 13700K or higher depending on how much all-core workloads they have So, from a gaming perspective they're about the same if you feed them about the same speed of memory. DDR4 isn't good enough anymore to push out the faster fps as should have been expected, so there is very little cost benefit doing either system. There are two advantages of going the AM5 route. If this is the level of gaming performance you want for now but you want to consider upgrading in the future, the MB is going to take up through Zen 6 CPUs. On the other hand 13th gen is the last CPU for LGA-1700. The next socket is LGA-1851 and it's for 14th and 15th gen. Also, a CPU upgrade for LGA-1700 after you already bought the 13600K doesn't make sense since the gains won't be enough to spend the money. The 2nd advantage REGARDLESS of how people view the way AMD does clock management based on temp, is the 7600X only uses about 45W during gaming. So, heat output from the SoC is going to be low EVEN THOUGH a single sensor on the die hits 95 C. So this is a very low power CPU for gaming. The 13600K on the other hand is using about 75W. This isn't high power but you're going to notice 30 extra watts in heat output. It's not going to be like a furnace, but added to the heat of the GPU it does start to matter. So, regardless of how people feel about a sensor hitting 95 C, power consumption is actually low for AMD parts during gaming. Even the 7700X uses less power than the 13600K during gaming, using only 62W on avg. These numbers are averages, as reported by Techpowerup. Other numbers for power consumption, the 5800X3D uses about 45W, so OUTSTANDING performance based on power consumption, the 13900K uses about 117W which is getting into flamethrower territory when you sum that with the heat of the GPU, and the 7950X is using about 87W. AMD CLEARLY has Intel beat in gaming performance based on power consumption for the last couple of generations of products. I use the 5800X3D and really enjoy it.

[@KillerTacos54]

Intel’s just throwing raw power usage at all their problems 😂

[@cameronbosch1213]

Though to be fair, in desktops, it can handle this problem. Laptops are better with AMD though.

[@TheBURBAN111]

And amd hasnt? the 7950x uses 235w as well lol.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@TheBURBAN111 They don't push that many watts in a laptop.

[@Oz-gv5fz]

Amd need to lower the 5800x3d to $349 😏👍

[@JoseCastro-zx9jh]

Waiting for Ryzen 3d

[@mvptech5073]

Bro tell me this thing what if intel i5 13th gen is fabricated with 7nm technology. Does AMD has a chance to beat 😅

[@dodop8449]

7600X faster than 13600K? Good joke my friend. 13600K eats 7600X for breakfast.

[@thomasbaffy950]

Well Jarrod, I give your review a mixed review. While your facts are on point, you do not tell the entire story. You do not put together a computer with just a CPU. You have to purchase the entire platform, which also includes a motherboard and RAM. You gloss over this and do not tell the complete story. The plain truth is that while the price of the Ryzen 5 7600X CPU is slightly lower than the Intel counterpart, this cost savings is easily eaten up by the requirement for DDR5 on the Ryzen platform, while Intel can still use DDR4. The performance gain from DDR5 is marginal and does not yet justify the additional cost. If you want to use DDR5 on Intel t5hat options is available. This point is probably a toss up, but it is nice to have choices. The cost of Ryzen 5 motherboards is significantly higher than Intel motherboards. This also eats up all the savings on the CPU and then some. The bottom line is the total cost of implementing the AMD solutions is higher than it is for Intel. You should have pointed that out in the interest of a thorough analysis and full disclosure. Instead, you worked hard to highlight every advantage of the AMD solution while bypassing advantages to Intel. I am disappointed in that. This is not a battle between good and evil. It is about who is providing the best value and I feel your video is a bit misleading here. In the end, the two platforms are a toss-up for gaming value and Intel is clearly better for production workloads.

[@PortugaRD]

hii can we get some test's with streaming ? Gameplay + streaming 1060 60fps CPU SETTINGS : super fast OR very fast AND including streaming by GPU BOTH with 7000 bitrate I just cant find ppl showing that diferences. I want to upgrade my intire PC . and the budget is freaking Small and limited. I saw a friend with a 5700x and a 3060 ti and the performance was good, but the 1% Lows was going from 70 FPS to 33 . The game in question is GTA V . Testing with 5700x on both Settings " super fast as very fast " the 1% lows was basicly the same, but streaming via GPU the 1% low did go up to 43 FPS . and on both test's either CPU or GPU streaming the game was still stuttering BAD , like 0.5 S to 1 Sec stutterings .. And to be honest i dont want to upgrade to still face the same stupid stuttering problems . what can i Do ??? Get 3070 ti ? 700+€ or a 3080 ? 800€+ a 13600k ? 420€ or a 5700x ? 250€ Or a 5600x 200€ ? or a 7600x 350€ 5800X3D out of reach . custs Like 500€ I realy needed some advices. If someone wants to help . i would apreciate

[@anonymous_504]

Next video: Running heavy games on Intel i9 13th gen without GPU/video card

[@hardwarevsgaming]

Finally, a benchmark comparison that uses the same memory kit, unlike other reviewers who use 6000mhz for amd then 6400mhz for Intel

[@green_block]

Intel supports higher RAM speed by default. AMDs recommended spec is less. Why should the reviewer artificially cap the memory speed for Intel to make it same? What else he should do to make the two processors the same? Disable the extra 8 cores in Intel to make it same core count as AMD?

[@WilliamNFMS]

@@green_block You understand there is a difference between messing with the cpus themselves and messing with the other parts right?

[@green_block]

@@WilliamNFMS How would you test the 5600x vs 7600x using same memory. One doesn’t support DDR5, other doesn’t support DDR4. The whole same memory argument is just dumb.

[@vik1ng313]

@@green_block Maybe a complete chart with Ryzen 5k/Intel 12k & 13k 3600C14, Ryzen 7k/Intel 13k 6000C30, Intel 13k with Intel recommended specs?

[@jasonferreira4761]

Yeah 13600K Owners are not happy with these results as they are now losing by a 4% margin in gaming, so glad im waiting on 3D V-Cache, Wont even be close in gaming for intel.

[@ayushsinghal604]

Now with the addition of 7600 at 230$ which gives basically the same performance as 7600x but with lower Tgp, and hance more efficient there is no reason to go for team blue.

[@Furkan123-nm9bg]

if you are not on render or smthng

[@portman8909]

6 cores won't be enough. Intel is the way to go.

[@ExcedereInInfinitum]

Your results in gaming are quite different from GN and HU 🤔

[@Oguzhan34]

yeah i saw it aslo

[@z04notfound]

I was able to get a 7600x for 175 at the microcenter

[@JarrodsTech]

Nice one!

[@obamalastname34]

Maybe the reason why intel was low in red dead and csgo is the lower baseclock? I need maximum oc benchmark for 13600k and 7600x pls

[@stefanflorin288]

I cannot believe where they reached with this prices, to pay just for a processor more than a gaming console.......

[@gregnezz]

Hey Jarod, if you have your msi 2080 ti still. Could you post an i5 13600k and ddr4 16gb benchmark please. I just bought a 13600kf and am upgrading from 6th gen i7 6700k.

[@RicardoSilvaTripcall]

Hi, I also have a i7 6700k, and planing to get a 13600k, and to keep my 16gb ddr4, it was worth the upgrade? how is general performance? cheers !

[@Wusyaname_]

Got a 5600x for $150 on Amazon prime day in July. Mobo for $110idh, DDR4 for $50. It cost almost as much as a 7600x by itself, really good for budget gaming.

[@Rico24337]

Yeah that's a sweet deal, nice.

[@glordium1951]

5600x is by default at 150$ on aliexpress lol, and the cheapest am4 mobo's are about 55$ aswell

[@Wusyaname_]

@@glordium1951 I don’t trust Ali express and want am5 for pcie 4.0. Gonna upgrade to a new gpu because I do plan to get a 3440x1440p or 4K monitor soon. 3060 ti is fine for now for 1080p.

[@nevmiku]

@@Wusyaname_ AM4 has PCIe Gen 4. You need to use B550 board or higher.

[@teddym2808]

Honestly I am in shock Jarrod.. I thought the 13th gen would throttle the AMD in games.. to see it completely reversed was a real surprise.. for those who only want to game, the AMD therefore makes the most sense, I am guessing the 7700X will be the sweet spot overall. Lower power consumption and heat and higher FPS in most titles. For those doing gaming AND multi thread work, the Intel. For example for music production that involves a lot of tracks and plugins it would be the Intel hands down for me. Very interesting video, thanks! I am going to settle on the 13700K I have decided, but I am waiting for cooler tests to find something that can keep it below 100.

[@storyanaksekolah2]

amd focus is gaming/efficiency bc productivity workload on reallife usage is verysmall different. they only shown on benchmark. but i think amd need to add more cores to ryzen 5 and 7 series to close the gap on productivity benchmark

[@stevenanderson9532]

@@storyanaksekolah2 Well as a gamer I disagree, because I've done my fair share of productivity & I always would let it run & walk off to let it do its job. So basically a within a 5minute difference is no big deal, and could just make separate productivity cpus if it was profitable.

[@storyanaksekolah2]

@@stevenanderson9532 5 minutes of what? render time? how about design/editing work? its longer than render time. also now you can use gpu acceleration. its way faster. so the cpu usage is just for the workflow

[@stevenanderson9532]

@@storyanaksekolah2 MP4 MKV, even a 4k render won't be instant on either. If your doing full motion editing it's more about which software usability in ease of use most of the time. Also if your inputing on excel or word I doubt either can run less then you type. Now if you are outputting to a plate for a newspaper it will still be limited to how fast the plate printer is. I know I did this work.

[@TheStoso2]

In other videos the 13600k outperforms/ties with 7600x with fewer games getting more frames with 7600x, this video is the only one I've seen where 13600k has this weird performance in comparison

[@SB-qo2fo]

I would rather compare the 13600k with the 7700x. The 13600K/KF is much better deal than the 7600x for arround 300$.

[@ThePauch1]

No point comparing two different prized products

[@SB-qo2fo]

@@ThePauch1 No point compairing 6C/12T to 14C/20T CPU. Even with 8E Cores in the 13600k. The real competitor to the 7600x is the upcoming 13400K/KF. This shows that the 7600x and 7700x are overpriced, and AMD should reduce prices or release 7600 and 7700 (non X). I'm not fan for Intel, I have amd CPU. But Intel CPUs are better deal this time. Especially with the expensive AMD motherboards.

[@tedarcher9120]

AMD needs to price their 8 cores against 13600k to be competetive

[@robertstan298]

Can you get your hands on some 7700X and 13700K to test similarly? The AMD lower end parts look great for gaming and efficiency, but they need to lower the MSRPs at some point in the near future, Intel really cut into their margins to eek out better price competitivity (RTL dies are quite a bit bigger than ADL). They need the lower prices twofold, since they also need to make room for the X3D parts (the segmentation/pricing). Which allegedly will be on a whole new level than both Vanilla Zen4 and 5800X3D (new stacking tech and more experience on building them).

[@BCSpikeFM]

I love Jarrod's reviews for actually trying to make it so that each platform uses the exact same memory kit. Can I request in the future that you do 7700X vs 13700K? That's the market I'm looking in right now as 6 performance cores isn't enough for my desktop use.

[@JarrodsTech]

Just have to buy the i7 when I get back from holiday in 2 weeks but it's planned!

[@BCSpikeFM]

@@JarrodsTech sweet. Thank you, sir. Looking forward to the future video.

[@runninginthe90s75]

@Jarrod'sTech You might as well clarify that your test is legit or not, your benchmark number is way off from actual number just like HUB review. Other youtube reviewer shows the i5 13600k beating r5 7600x in almost every game even the i5 beating 7700x too. Your benchmark is very suspicious not gonna lie.

[@asmrnaturecat984]

@@runninginthe90s75 do ur own benchmark mark then

[@Patrick73787]

The fact that he insisted on using the same DDR5-6000 on both Intel and AMD CPUs is an insult to the Intel platform that can support way faster DDR5 memory. He used the AMD sweet spot DDR5-6000 CL30 EXPO kit on an Intel CPU, lol. I won't watch his 13700K vs 7700X comparison if the test setup remains the same.

[@DragonBallzMoviesHD]

Intel is definitely better than amd. Their multi core performance is roughly 50 percent faster than amd

[@jaxzor]

in EU the Ryzen is 100$ cheaper.

[@bergdk237]

for me,this is the first review of i5 13600k vs 7600x, where the later wins🤔

[@joelconolly5574]

I'll wait for 13th gen laptops then.

[@emericanchaos]

So Intel is better for everything outside of gaming. Within gaming AMD only does better on old titles based on dx9 or dx11 otherwise Intel wins again. Best use case for AMD is people who strictly play old games or games based on old APIs. And even then the margin is slim. Doesn't sound like AMD is really worth it. Especially with 14th Gen being slightly improved.

[@galeanoandres]

Thank you for including 1440p ! ❤

[@JarrodsTech]

You're welcome!

[@HeliumFreak]

Why do poeople keep posting about a $300 13600? please someone show me exactly where you buy a 13600 for $300.

[@alvar891]

In the US they have less tax on there electronics. Elsewhere its adding up to it plus imports.

[@leonardojoy]

For gaming ddr4 is this the way. Zen4 platform cost 2x more then 13600kf + b660 + ddr4.

[@ალექსანდრეგაბაძე]

AMD 3dv cache cpus will crash any cpu created in gaming, just like 5800x3d did in the past. Forget about intel.

[@vikrambhaskar7976]

Sorry man but your conclusion in the end was terrible. I usually like your content but this time you seemed so carefull and diplomatic towards both the brands. You recommended the 7600X for gaming just because it was 5% faster in 1080P? Even for just gaming that's horrible advice! In your own graphs the 13600K shows it is a faaar better well rounded cpu offering excellent gaming and productivity performance putting it in a completely different class (near 7700X territory). There is literally no point in buying the 7600X especially factoring in the total platform cost. Please try to be bit more straightforward and critical in your future reviews

[@rdmz135]

He's right though. If all you do is game the 7600x is better for that. If you do productivity as well rhen obviously the 13600k is better. What's hard to understand?

[@A_9_0-OP]

Bro is just simping on intel 💀

[@Frieza.43]

Lel stop crying, Intel FaN boy. Everyone knows thst AMD is the best bang for the buck.😂😂😂😂 BTW I own 7600 and it's a beast.

[@kotztotz3530]

Most underrated desktop hardware reviewer. I know you mainly do laptop stuff, but your desktop hardware videos are better than HUB and Gamers Nexus.

[@showtrue65]

7600x쓰레기 됐네 기존가격보다 가격을 최소 30%는 내려야할듯

[@somedude96]

tl;dr -for those with existing compatible intel motherboards, go intel -for first time builders, go ryzen for future proofing.

[@captainyesterday3463]

R5 7600x is a no brainer, especially due to power efficiency and high energy costs. Intel yet again sits on a dead socket...

[@Setyawan46]

are we on a state of reaching the point of diminishing return from a good CPU? i mean like comparing games that already at 100+ FPS is something, whether going for Intel or AMD you barely can go wrong with your option

[@Winnetou17]

For gaming, yeah, we kind of did.

[@auradrifter7779]

Hmm, I’m actually seeing more benefits from AMD for gaming. I was going to buy a 13600K, but after watching this, I might go AMD or wait until next year when lower end launches

[@YudaXD8K_]

Haha :v i upgrade processor 3 years im use 2600x want buy i5 14600k next year

[@tilapiadave3234]

Get your eyes tested

[@makeurmomproud]

@@tilapiadave3234 found the Intel fan boy (maybe a blind guy as well)

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@makeurmomproud

[@madeyudhiarsana8018]

what about power consumption comparison while gaming?

[@skyline2203]

Jarrod is an AMD shill, he just never likes Intel even though it performs obviously way better here

[@masx4813]

AMD becomes INTEL INTEL becomes AMD in terms of Core count, single core / multicore performance, productivity and gaming test

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

in the case of slower CPUs, I think yes. But remember they also have a threedriper in their portfolio 😁

[@masx4813]

@@rENEGADE666JEDI it always crazy about workstation CPU

[@torukmahtomahto409]

Bad launch timing for 13th and AM5 on those economics, specailly for only ddr5 Amd policy ..12th and AM4 users will stay on, with the latest having a chance to upgrade to the same gaming level at only 400 bucks..nevertheless, s1700gen is already dead vs AM5 2-3gen upgrade path..Add the Lcs cooler cost for both 13th and AM5 and you have a full view of their real value..

[@Mr11ESSE111]

Tech yes city sayed you must turn off core isolation and that your fps numbers are wrong (because his numbers are on 13600k side )

[@JarrodsTech]

All testing was done with core isolation off, as mentioned at 1:21 testing with it on is not "wrong" either, it's just a different way of testing and completely valid as it matches the Windows 11 default. As long as both CPUs are tested the same way and compared fairly, it does not matter.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

@@JarrodsTech then he bullshiting because he have other results and few games only as always

[@MrGarg10may]

Lol intel just added 8 cores for free to be relevant in market since they aren't able to beat AMD with same TDP single core score.